databank said:

alexandernevamind said:

Yes Prince is talented but come on, we all know he couldn't have written the music to Purple Rain without Wendy and Lisa and a cast of other people.

No we don't, and yes not only he could but he did. All the Revolution members admitted that Prince's music was 99% his despite their contributions here and there, and that having them or another band probably wouldn't have changed much about the whole thing. Wendy & Lisa never claimed that Prince has stolen anything from them, except for one single song (Power Fantastic).

Only bad thing for them is that he refuses to give anybody else credit but himself and most of them couldn't afford to sue him afterwards.

He actually gave credits where credits were due in most situations, and on the other hand, particularly at this time, he gave credits when credit was not due, crediting his musicians and his side-projects' musicians for things they hadn't done. While there are maybe 5 songs where it is known that due credits were not given, there are probably a hundred songs where he gave credits when he actually had done everything. Who then knew that the three "Prince And The Revolution" albums were mostly Prince alone in the studio? Not too many people... I can tell you from memory which few songs had Prince "stealing" credits, but on the other hand I'd have to do some research if I had to quote all the songs he hidden his involvement from. The most influence Prince's musicians had was actually through the music they made him listen to, not the music they made...

("Kiss" was written by a group called Mazarati).

No it wasn't, it was written and composed by Prince, and arranged with additional lyrics added by David Z., who was producing Mazarati. One could argue that David should have received co-writing credits, since he added some lyrics, but David himself said that he was fine by the way things went, mostly because he owned his whole career to Prince, and that he was grateful for that. Mazarati had little to do with the creative process in itself, even though they were in the studio when it happened and despite the band's singer later expressing anger about that whole thing, but nonetheless I don't think anyone involved ever considered suing Prince about this, whether they could afford it or not.

A lot of people in the music business use their starpower to get people to work for them for little or nothing.These people are usually new to the business and are just really excited to be working with the star.

Pretty soon though, reality kicks in and they realize they've been used.When they start asking for what's owed them, they usually get fired.

I don't remember Prince ever firing anyone for anything related to money and credits. He certainly did fire some people in a somewhat unfair manner, but it was more about ego, complicated relationships or wanting to change his band's sound. Some musicians later said they were underpaid, and they probably were, but many other got massive royalties or bonus checks. And the only case I know of where musicians sued for royalties (Levi and Tony) happened after they had left Prince's camp.

Prince is at the age where he could really make some great music by collabing with other artist.I would love to hear him on a record with Santana, Herbie Hancock,Stevie,Alicia Keys,Estelle,Miguel,

Adele,Beyonce,Neyo,Chris Brown.I'd actually start buying his music again.

I think he doesn't give a shit wheither u buy his music or not. In case you don't know he's a multi-millionaire.

He might get on stage with these artist but why can't he make a record with them? Is it a money issue? Is he afraid of being upstaged?

Obviously, he just doesn't care or feels the need to.

Why has his music sucked in the last 10 years?

It's a purely subjective statement.

I love Prince but I think it's time somebody called him out on this.

That whole bullshit has been called out 100 times on this forum...

Google Gabi Wilson, she's the future of music.

What does it have to do with anything?

With all due respect, i suggest you read the massive quantity of documentation that's been published about Prince's career and his creative process, and then come back here to discuss your opinion about the facts you've read about.

Peace

[Edited 1/16/12 3:23am]

Were you there? Are you a former Prince employee? Have you discussed this with former Prince employee's?

If you haven't personally interviewed people that worked with Prince during this time, you don't know shit but what you'ved read on the internet just like everyone else.

jon1967 said:

he should ask her theyre perfect

I love them together, as long as he let's her be who she is and leaves the ego out of it, otherwise she'll end up hurt again

Did Lisa and Wendy play a part in Prince's success? To some degree, yes.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Did Lisa and Wendy play a part in Prince's success? To some degree, yes.

did Prince play a part in Wendy and Lisa's success...yes.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Agree, you will always see these type of threads pop up. I think you, me, Timmy and OF4s, although some, slight disagreements on the topic, pretty much still kept it together yesterday.

Hate 2 admit it at times, but it's kinda fun lol

I agree.

wonder505 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Did Lisa and Wendy play a part in Prince's success? To some degree, yes.

did Prince play a part in Wendy and Lisa's success...yes.

Exactly. No one would have known who they are until they joined Prince's band, not to mention they still pull from his fan base, so they're still benefitting from his success.

2elijah said:

wonder505 said:

did Prince play a part in Wendy and Lisa's success...yes.

Exactly. No one would have known who they are until they joined Prince's band, not to mention they still pull from his fan base, so they're still benefitting from his success.

Bottom line.

Timmy84 said:

2elijah said:

Exactly. No one would have known who they are until they joined Prince's band, not to mention they still pull from his fan base, so they're still benefitting from his success.

Bottom line.

Maybe they should be paying him some royalties (just kidding).

2elijah said:

Timmy84 said:

Bottom line.

Maybe they should be paying him some royalties (just kidding).

OldFriends4Sale said:

ladygirl99 said:

First of all are you on her payroll or something? Why you are riding Susannah so hard lol she prolly doesnt even know you exist. That is kinda creepy. Susannah is a big girl she doesnt need fans ride on her LOL. I don't care if she impress me or not since I am not a big fdeluxe fan nor Susannah fan, as a musician she continues to pursue for a living her job is to indeed impress her fans who are the ones why buying Fdeluxe concert tickets and songs. But with the impress part, I stated my opinion, either take it or leave it. Its all about taste. I don't dislike Susannah. She was even nice enough to direct me to fdeluxe facebook fan when I was try to get on her official facebook just to show my support with Gaslight album, well at the time it didnt have a title. That was 3 years ago not sure if she now accepting fans on her facebook page again.

Second of all Sheila was not just Prince's protege. It was reported Prince and Andre even were fighting in a jokingly way for which one who want to married Sheila. He almost wifed her and Sheila E even confirmed this herself. So who I am going to believe you who is just a fan and never had connections with Prince or Sheila who met Prince even before I was born and still is part of his life? No rocket science answer on this one. Sheila and Prince had stay in touch over the years before they worked together in 1984. And also Prince is the reason why Sheila E decided to go solo as she prefers to do background music work. Just please stick to know your expertise with Melvoins and Colemans okay? When I said Sheila is a badass bitch that is out of endearment.

I am not making this up on the fans. How can you determined my experience that you dont even know me? But I can let you know briefly I had been on org since 1996 (even though using the same user name for ladygirl99 for last several years) back in purple and black days likely longer than you and I was on Housequake (I even talked to Lisa Coleman on there and yes she did post on Housequake and I talked to Wendy back in the late 90s through email briefly about my appreciated of how she/Lisa score Soul Food and that Master P flick) so I know what I am talking about when fans said over the years Susannah was the love of his life, that all the love, thats their opinion, eh, but thats not a fact, if you for being a moderator, not sure how long Ben keep past posts archieved, then the org search button is available. Just because I dont kiss W&L, Susannah, and Prince and others blindly doesn't like everything they produce it doesnt make me less of a fan of theirs. I am not a fanbot thank you!

Are u on Prince's payroll ? Duh

Please I know all about the Prince Sheila stuff, and when it came down to 1983-1988 She was on Prince's payroll 1st and foremost. But they were long time friends of sorts. It's hard to see them in a real relationship. They probably were friends with benefits though.

Prince didn't almost wife her at all. Prince and Andre met her at a show with her Father/Family and they jokingly had a bet

When did he officially date her though? When he was dating Susan Moonsie or Vanity, right after came Susannah, then he kept Anna Fantastic in his bed till she turned 18. According to Sheila they didn't hang out for a few years until 1983 and they met n 1978

His latest lady, Sheila E., has a hit album on her hands with a top ten single “The Glamorous Life.”

Sheila Escovedo is now known as Sheila E., but Prince met her years ago when he was working on his first album. She is the daughter of Peter Escovedo, a Latin-jazz percussionist who had worked with Carlos Santana, one of Prince’s earliest influences. Prince and Sheila have been writing songs together for years. Before she got her big break with Prince, she had toured as a back-up singer and percussionist for Lionel Richie, George Duke, and Marvin Gaye.

When Sheila recently played at the Ritz in New York City, Prince jumped on stage for an encore of “Erotic City,” which also features Sheila E. on the flip side of the single “Let’s Go Crazy.” He then launched into an audience sing-along on “When Doves Cry.”

Sheila won’t talk about her supposed relationship with Prince. She told Kurt Loder, “We’re just friends, but the public will assume what it wants.

“He’s a good person,” she added. “He’s changed somewhat; he’s really happy now.”

-1984 interview

Excerpts taken from The Fuse (Online Rock Journal) http://www.the-fuze.com/sheilae.html

You’d already had experience recording and touring with your father Pete Escovedo, and with George Duke, several years before ‘The Glamorous Life’ came out. What were you doing when Prince entered the picture?

Well, I met him in 1978. Around that time, I was out on tour with George Duke. I went to see him at one of his concerts and I was so excited because I’d been hearing about him. My dad was with Santana then, and the whole Santana band was bragging about this guy – this young kid – who was producing and recording by himself, playing all the instruments and writing the songs. There was a big buzz in the Bay Area about that. So I couldn’t wait to meet him. I went to his concert, and was walking up to him to introduce myself. I was still Sheila Escovedo at that time. He turned around and put his hand out and said “Wow, it’s a pleasure to meet you!” I thought “Ok…I was just getting ready to introduce myself.” He just kind of threw me off, and he told me he had been following my career for a long time. He had been watching George Duke and saw me playing drums, and him and Andre Simone were arguing about who was gonna marry me. (laughs)

It certainly didn’t hurt to have Prince in your corner when you kicked off your solo career, but did his influence ever become smothering?

No, uh-uh. What attracted us to each other was the music. At the time I met him, he started coming and hanging around with my family because I was playing with my dad off and on, and he was like “Wow.” He had never seen anything like that, or heard anything like that. To see the family playing together is a dream-come- true for a lot of people, a lot of artists. It was something that we had that was very special and unique. He was attracted to that, he was attracted to the different types of music that I grew up listening to, and our lives are worlds apart. We were never smothered by each other, him by me or me by him. If anything, we’ve learned a lot, shared a lot and given to each other.

How is it that, twenty years on, you’re just about the only one who still maintains a working relationship with Prince?

I don’t know. We were friends first, and I’ve been with him almost from the beginning, I guess, pretty much throughout his career. There were a couple of years we didn’t see each other, and then in ’83, when I was with Lionel [Richie] and Marvin [Gaye], we got together again and started working. It was just great. Again, it’s really the music that brought us together. The fun part about being his friend was I think he hadn’t met anyone who was as competitive as he was. And being a woman, he was like “Oh, I have to beat her!” It was that kind of thing. Growing up in a family that was very competitive - my mom and all her brothers and sisters were very athletic – I was very athletic, and so was Prince. We’d play basketball, we’d play ping pong, we’d play pool – we did everything besides recording music. And so I was able to hang with him as a buddy, almost - as a friend.

For the last dang ole time Sheila E said in recent years she and Prince were more than friends at one point. Other orgers that I used to talk to (some who are no longer here)who actually can confirm this the relationship as she stated this in People magazine and other magazines over the last several years. And look up on Youtube under "Way Black When: Sheila E!": Even though she didnt officially said she accepted Prince's engagement, even a dumbass can pickup there were more romance between her and Prince and she said Prince wanted to marry her. And finally another orger said they went to a show that featured Sheila E and her family in Cali several years ago and Pete E confirmed he it was too bad that Prince wasn't his son-in-law.

Another thing, you dont know shit about the actuality of Prince and Sheila E more than friendship just as much as the rest of us fans don't , other than based on magazines and interviews, they dont quality as much as actually being presence of the events happen in Prince's life. Sheila E doesnt broadcast her relationship with Prince and she always keep her personal life private, and we never know what they actually had other than hearsay but YES Sheila E did confirmed her and Prince were more than friends especially around Lovesexy era but they drifted apart in the early 90s and it lasted several years to the point she was denied entrance to Paisley Park. BTW quit with the arrogance bullshyt and dismissing other fans who might read and heard different interviews from the protegees because you havent heard that info before. No matter how many interviews and books you read about Prince and his protegees, you are NOT an insider, so deal with it if you havent yet.

Umm didnt I said that on my previous post? Reading is fundermental. yo.

Again I said that before.

2elijah said:

ladygirl99 said:

I think that I should flipped that 6 into 9 as Prince org became public around 1999 so that is when i joined and yes even then people were debating Prince vs Wendy and Lisa and his music suck without them, and Susannah was his true love. And also alt.prince google group this around time after Wendy claimed she and Lisa wrote Purple Rain aand later slightly backtrack in future interviews after Prince jabbed them off his defunct website. And on alt.prince music google groups went some warzone for nearly a month, after W&L made that claimed, lol, it was better than a soap opera, ya know Prince vs W&L fans went at it hard, thought it was going to be real WW3, I think it still have some older posts perserved not sure.

Yeah nothing havent change since Prince org use to be black and purple days when it comes to these debates. That was sort of my point

Agree, you will always see these type of threads pop up. I think you, me, Timmy and OF4s, although some, slight disagreements on the topic, pretty much still kept it together yesterday.

[Edited 1/18/12 8:07am]

I know lol. What is funny is fans think they absolutely knows more about Prince and his life than even his personal hairdresser.

[Edited 1/18/12 15:40pm]

BoySimon said:

Some of what you have written is true, some of what you have written isn't.

I seem to remember that The Revolution were kept on a paid retainer even when not in rehearsal/production mode - given to be unusual at the time.

Prince wrote Kiss, Mazarati and David Z polished it, Prince wanted it back... so he took it.

I can't think of a Prince band member who felt they were being 'used', as such... possibly Wendy towards the end, maybe Lisa... but that may have been a feeling they had once SOTT was released and they could hear themselves playing but not being credited with the performance in the liner notes.

I think there is an element of regret, frustration and anger on the part of ex-band members because once you're out, you're out. There was an article around the time Prince's and Mayte's child died when Matt Fink tried to go out to Paisley Park to offer Prince his support. He was not allowed in... This may obviously have been because Prince was in mourning, but Fink didn't appear to think this was the reason.

Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic was Prince working on a collaboration album... and it did not work. Prince, to these ears, works best when he's surrounded himself with strong talented people who, whilst never quite getting around to saying no to him, at least are able to influence the sound and direction of the music in more subtle or more idiosyncratic ways - for example Femi Jiya, W&L, Fink, Cymone (though I reckon Andre probably did say no to Prince quite a lot), Blackwell, Leeds, Thompson, Rogers, Parker or Fischer. Putting Prince in a studio with, say Chuck D, Sherly Crow, Gwen Stefani, Ani DiFranco, doesn't work. I seem to remember one of the reasons given by Prince for failing to turn up to the We Are The World recordings as being because he would 'freeze up' in a room full of stars... though, of course, that could be revisionist history/bullshit.

Prince has collaborated on individual songs with artists like Stevie Wonder... it was ok ... (again, to these ears)... but (and this links back, I think, to a thread I started a little while ago about Leeds or Parker as a saxophonist in Prince's band) - Prince works better with people who he has chosen and who are strong mentally and very sure of who they are. He stumbled on the perfect line-up twice (three times if you include the early Revolution with Andre and Dez) with The Revolution and with the SOTT/Lovesexy Band. Beyond that, his band members have been great musicians but uninspiring, with some exceptions (Sonny Thompson, Michael Bland, John Blackwell, Renato Neto).

Prince's music has sucked in the last 10 years? Not sure about that. It hasn't been as consistently good as it was in the 80s and (to some extent) in the 90s, but the last decade has seen some pretty great music released by Prince. I think that, and I most definitely include myself in this, we have come to expect too much from one man. The only problem is, he also expects too much of us ... in that he wants us to revere each and every release as if it were as good as the last... that's where Prince's popularity may have suffered. If he was honest enough to come out and say... 'ok, NPS and a couple of the other albums were a bit duff, but hey, listen to his new stuff..." then I think the world would be more inclined to give him another go. But then, what artist would admit they produced shit?

Anyway. This answer has rambled. I've realised I have too much time on my hands, and I think I need to go and put the kettle on for another cup of tea!

Ahmir “?uestlove” Thompson found himself in the hot seat on Bravo’s Watch What Happens Live. WhenAndy Cohen asked Questlove if he had ever not been credited for his contribution to an album, he said Prince hadn’t credited him on Prince’s One Night Onlyalbum. Apparently, Thompson sat in on drums for a song and didn’t receive any recognition.

I REST MY CASE!..lol

I could have sworn that Sheila told a talk show host, (I wanna say Arsenio), that they had broken off their engagement and when he asked her what happened she told him to ask Prince.

I thought that she spoke about it in her recent TVone interview also.

babynoz said:

I could have sworn that Sheila told a talk show host, (I wanna say Arsenio), that they had broken off their engagement and when he asked her what happened she told him to ask Prince.

I thought that she spoke about it in her recent TVone interview also.

I kinda recall Sheila telling Arsenio about breaking off their engagement. Ooh I can't wait for her Unsung right now! Jesus!

Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:

I could have sworn that Sheila told a talk show host, (I wanna say Arsenio), that they had broken off their engagement and when he asked her what happened she told him to ask Prince.

I thought that she spoke about it in her recent TVone interview also.

I kinda recall Sheila telling Arsenio about breaking off their engagement. Ooh I can't wait for her Unsung right now! Jesus!

That's gonna be a good one...

alexandernevamind said:

BoySimon said:

Some of what you have written is true, some of what you have written isn't.

I seem to remember that The Revolution were kept on a paid retainer even when not in rehearsal/production mode - given to be unusual at the time.

Prince wrote Kiss, Mazarati and David Z polished it, Prince wanted it back... so he took it.

I can't think of a Prince band member who felt they were being 'used', as such... possibly Wendy towards the end, maybe Lisa... but that may have been a feeling they had once SOTT was released and they could hear themselves playing but not being credited with the performance in the liner notes.

I think there is an element of regret, frustration and anger on the part of ex-band members because once you're out, you're out. There was an article around the time Prince's and Mayte's child died when Matt Fink tried to go out to Paisley Park to offer Prince his support. He was not allowed in... This may obviously have been because Prince was in mourning, but Fink didn't appear to think this was the reason.

Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic was Prince working on a collaboration album... and it did not work. Prince, to these ears, works best when he's surrounded himself with strong talented people who, whilst never quite getting around to saying no to him, at least are able to influence the sound and direction of the music in more subtle or more idiosyncratic ways - for example Femi Jiya, W&L, Fink, Cymone (though I reckon Andre probably did say no to Prince quite a lot), Blackwell, Leeds, Thompson, Rogers, Parker or Fischer. Putting Prince in a studio with, say Chuck D, Sherly Crow, Gwen Stefani, Ani DiFranco, doesn't work. I seem to remember one of the reasons given by Prince for failing to turn up to the We Are The World recordings as being because he would 'freeze up' in a room full of stars... though, of course, that could be revisionist history/bullshit.

Prince has collaborated on individual songs with artists like Stevie Wonder... it was ok ... (again, to these ears)... but (and this links back, I think, to a thread I started a little while ago about Leeds or Parker as a saxophonist in Prince's band) - Prince works better with people who he has chosen and who are strong mentally and very sure of who they are. He stumbled on the perfect line-up twice (three times if you include the early Revolution with Andre and Dez) with The Revolution and with the SOTT/Lovesexy Band. Beyond that, his band members have been great musicians but uninspiring, with some exceptions (Sonny Thompson, Michael Bland, John Blackwell, Renato Neto).

Prince's music has sucked in the last 10 years? Not sure about that. It hasn't been as consistently good as it was in the 80s and (to some extent) in the 90s, but the last decade has seen some pretty great music released by Prince. I think that, and I most definitely include myself in this, we have come to expect too much from one man. The only problem is, he also expects too much of us ... in that he wants us to revere each and every release as if it were as good as the last... that's where Prince's popularity may have suffered. If he was honest enough to come out and say... 'ok, NPS and a couple of the other albums were a bit duff, but hey, listen to his new stuff..." then I think the world would be more inclined to give him another go. But then, what artist would admit they produced shit?

Anyway. This answer has rambled. I've realised I have too much time on my hands, and I think I need to go and put the kettle on for another cup of tea!

Ahmir “?uestlove” Thompson found himself in the hot seat on Bravo’s Watch What Happens Live. WhenAndy Cohen asked Questlove if he had ever not been credited for his contribution to an album, he said Prince hadn’t credited him on Prince’s One Night Onlyalbum. Apparently, Thompson sat in on drums for a song and didn’t receive any recognition.

I REST MY CASE!..lol

and that's your evidence?

You have already been proven wrong on the Kiss part, so i am not going to go there.

Your claim was that Prince would not have written the purple rain music without the revolution. His own band members have said he wrote songs like When Doves Cry and The Beautiful Ones without anyone else. WDC was the biggest hit on the album.

Further none of his band members has ever suggested that the majority of his work was written by others. No one disputes that the vast majority of the music was Prince and Prince only's

Lastly, Wendy and Lisa were competent musicians but to say they were the reason for Prince's commercial success is comical. Wendy and Lisa never wrote a big hit in their careers, never wrote a single big hit for anyone. Prince regularly wrote big hits for other artits.

Wendy and Lisa were good backup musicians who co wrote a few good songs with Prince. They were not the godesses of music that revolution fanboys make them out to be. Nor did they write the majority of his material.

and by the way, the agument that Prince was incapable of crediting anyone except himself is a balant lie. Wendy, Lisa, Sussanah, Fink, Carole Davis etc were all listed as co writers on some of the songs.

wonder505 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Did Lisa and Wendy play a part in Prince's success? To some degree, yes.

did Prince play a part in Wendy and Lisa's success...yes.

So then one hand washes the other because the Revolution band put Prince on the map to crossover success, and if it wasn't for their contribution, he would still be considered just another talented R&B artist.

^ The Revolution were unknown themselves, more unknown than Prince. In 1999, Prince was already on his way to be a crossover sensation. Didn't some of you post about Prince breaking through rock radio and MTV being one of the first black artists to do so?

[Edited 1/18/12 21:51pm]

Timmy84 said:

^ The Revolution were unknown themselves, more unknown than Prince. In 1999, Prince was already on his way to be a crossover sensation. Didn't some of you post about Prince breaking through rock radio and MTV being one of the first black artists to do so?

[Edited 1/18/12 21:51pm]

I said one hand washed the other. To me, he and the band had great musical chemistry, and no it wasn't I who posted that.

hhhhdmt said:

and by the way, the agument that Prince was incapable of crediting anyone except himself is a balant lie. Wendy, Lisa, Sussanah, Fink, Carole Davis etc were all listed as co writers on some of the songs.

but, not enough of "Prince's songs," unfortunately.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Timmy84 said:

^ The Revolution were unknown themselves, more unknown than Prince. In 1999, Prince was already on his way to be a crossover sensation. Didn't some of you post about Prince breaking through rock radio and MTV being one of the first black artists to do so?

I said one hand washed the other. To me, he and the band had great musical chemistry, and no it wasn't I who posted that.

Me agrees

babynoz said:

I could have sworn that Sheila told a talk show host, (I wanna say Arsenio), that they had broken off their engagement and when he asked her what happened she told him to ask Prince.

I thought that she spoke about it in her recent TVone interview also.

I know that Prince & Sheila E were friends & some kinda lovers, but so was Jill Jones, Vanity Susan Moonsie & Susannah. My thing about the 'engagement' was, was this some kind of mind game he played with her to create the 1984-1986 protege world to make songs like Sister Fate & Belle of St Mark more real?

I mean when did this actually happen because in 1984 he moved Susannah into his home.

That's a open statement, 'disrespectful' to anyone who was promised marriage, but he move this other woman into his woman and gave her a ring as well.

Whereas Sheila's 'engagement' and 'romance' was played out as secrets and rumors and such...

ladygirl99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Umm didnt I said that on my previous post? Reading is fundermental. yo.

According to Sheila they didn't hang out for a few years until 1983 and they met n 1978

Again I said that before.

For the last dang ole time Sheila E said in recent years she and Prince were more than friends at one point. Other orgers that I used to talk to (some who are no longer here)who actually can confirm this the relationship as she stated this in People magazine and other magazines over the last several years. And look up on Youtube under "Way Black When: Sheila E!": Even though she didnt officially said she accepted Prince's engagement, even a dumbass can pickup there were more romance between her and Prince and she said Prince wanted to marry her. And finally another orger said they went to a show that featured Sheila E and her family in Cali several years ago and Pete E confirmed he it was too bad that Prince wasn't his son-in-law.

Another thing, you dont know shit about the actuality of Prince and Sheila E more than friendship just as much as the rest of us fans don't , other than based on magazines and interviews, they dont quality as much as actually being presence of the events happen in Prince's life. Sheila E doesnt broadcast her relationship with Prince and she always keep her personal life private, and we never know what they actually had other than hearsay but YES Sheila E did confirmed her and Prince were more than friends especially around Lovesexy era but they drifted apart in the early 90s and it lasted several years to the point she was denied entrance to Paisley Park. BTW quit with the arrogance bullshyt and dismissing other fans who might read and heard different interviews from the protegees because you havent heard that info before. No matter how many interviews and books you read about Prince and his protegees, you are NOT an insider, so deal with it if you havent yet.

Ewwww such nastiness from a 'lady' of the night

Of course they were more than friends. Who doesn't acknowledge that, I said they were friends with benefits.

Was she engaged to Prince when he was dating Vanity? or before that when he was dating his pre fame love Susan Moonsie, is this when he was engaged to her? or actress Troy Breyer... Or was he engaged to her the same time he moved Susannah in his home and became engaged to her? Or was it when he met R U Legal Yet? Anna Fantastic and kept her in his bed until 18?

Mind games were played

Look just because you parade around your house in lace and 1 legged pants playing with sticks doesn't make you Sheila as you fantasize about Prince making love to you.

Things don't add up, You don't know shit about the actuality of their relationship either. When a man give another woman a ring and moves him into his house... mmmmm You were being played to help build a protege image of romance 1600 and wispers of stolen kisses of noon day rendezvous.

I love Sheila but it wasn't real.

And 4 all of the other women, they were different degrees of reality in Prince Erotic City

At the end of the day, not a single soul here lived with Prince to know 'that' much about him including me, unless anyone here sat down, and had an actual conversation with him. But one thing for sure, it's obvious he already had his music talent/gifts long before he let W&L join his band. It's no secret he gave other musicians/artists the opportunity to 'showcase' their music talents, when they performed/collaborated with him. It would be no mistake though, that you can hear and tell who many of his great music 'influences' and 'inspirations' are, from actual, well-known musicians/artists/performers with household names like, Ike Turner, Larry Graham, Sly Stone, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, Santana, Joni Mitchell, James Brown, and many others, in his music/performances. And of those mentioned, he sings many of their songs today.

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2elijah said:

At the end of the day, not a single soul here lived with Prince to know 'that' much about him including me, unless anyone here sat down, and had an actual conversation with him. But one thing for sure, it's obvious he already had his music talent/gifts long before he let W&L join his band. It's no secret he gave other musicians/artists the opportunity to 'showcase' their music talents, when they performed/collaborated with him. It would be no mistake though, that you can hear and tell who many of his great music 'influences' and 'inspirations' are, from actual, well-known musicians/artists/performers with household names like, Ike Turner, Larry Graham, Sly Stone, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, Santana, Joni Mitchell, James Brown, and many others, in his music/performances. Some of whose songs he sings today.

He said in a 1985 interview that Jimi Hendrix he doesn't get the comparison ... go figure

Ike Turner?

Beautifulstarr123 said:

wonder505 said:

did Prince play a part in Wendy and Lisa's success...yes.

So then one hand washes the other because the Revolution band put Prince on the map to crossover success, and if it wasn't for their contribution, he would still be considered just another talented R&B artist.

Bambi was released in 1979 waaaay before the Revolution, and there is nothing R&B about that song and the subject matter, to my knowledge I don't think many were singing about that. 1999 was released before the Revolution came on board. Is that cd totally R&B? Where do you think the Revolution members would be today without Prince?

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

At the end of the day, not a single soul here lived with Prince to know 'that' much about him including me, unless anyone here sat down, and had an actual conversation with him. But one thing for sure, it's obvious he already had his music talent/gifts long before he let W&L join his band. It's no secret he gave other musicians/artists the opportunity to 'showcase' their music talents, when they performed/collaborated with him. It would be no mistake though, that you can hear and tell who many of his great music 'influences' and 'inspirations' are, from actual, well-known musicians/artists/performers with household names like, Ike Turner, Larry Graham, Sly Stone, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, Santana, Joni Mitchell, James Brown, and many others, in his music/performances. Some of whose songs he sings today.

He said in a 1985 interview that Jimi Hendrix he doesn't get the comparison ... go figure

Ike Turner?

Many fans have compared his guitar style to Jimi as well as some of the clothes he wore in the 80s on stage. Jimi was wearing shirts w/frills, and hats. He mentioned Ike Turner and Chuck Berry in an interview as one of his influences. It was either in Ebony magazine or Jet. I believe it was the 2010 issue.

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wonder505 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

So then one hand washes the other because the Revolution band put Prince on the map to crossover success, and if it wasn't for their contribution, he would still be considered just another talented R&B artist.

Bambi was released in 1979 waaaay before the Revolution, and there is nothing R&B about that song and the subject matter, to my knowledge I don't think many were singing about that. 1999 was released before the Revolution came on board. Is that cd totally R&B? Where do you think the Revolution members would be today without Prince?

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wonder505 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

So then one hand washes the other because the Revolution band put Prince on the map to crossover success, and if it wasn't for their contribution, he would still be considered just another talented R&B artist.

Bambi was released in 1979 waaaay before the Revolution, and there is nothing R&B about that song and the subject matter, to my knowledge I don't think many were singing about that. 1999 was released before the Revolution came on board. Is that cd totally R&B? Where do you think the Revolution members would be today without Prince?

I don't mean to sound contradicktory, but your post sounds like the Revolution is a totally different group of people. The only change in the band from late 1980 - 1982 was Dez - Wendy before the PR Revolution there was Bobby Matt Brown Lisa Dez in 1983 it was still Bobby Matt Brown Lisa and changed from Dez 2 Wendy

Also many consider the 1999 album and years the noituloveR it's on the album cover and Prince has called the the Revolution during songs. 1 example was the Sexuality performance he shouts out something like "Revolution let's go!!!"