angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:

I didn't say they WERE the only reason. Maybe I meant partially. But you know Andre and Dez could've easily been a part of Purple Rain, come on now.

Agreed, the band The Revolution as a whole

Yeah and besides Prince was the organizer of all of that so it ain't like they were the ones holding the strings.

ladygirl99 said:

hhhhdmt said:

So now we are supposed to give wendy credit for the beautiful ones simply because she has a sister? She had nothing to do with the song itself, and therefore deserves no credit for it. She does deserve credit for stuff like Mountains and SISIA but its this worsship of wendy and lisa that is annoying. They repeatedly get credit for songs they had nothing to do with, either by revolution fanboys or anti prince trolls.

LOL and Stevie Nicks should get the Purple Rain credit since she said Prince wrote that song about her. Susan Moosie for When Doves Cry, and Jill Jones for She Always Pull in My Hair, and Mayte Garcia for The Most Beautiful Girl in the World. Susannah is a okay singer and okay songwriter but she just average in her musical talents imo and some fans are making her contributions more bigger than they are because she is Wendy's twin. Mayte was actually Prince's first wife, unlike susannah who was just fianccee, so where is her knowlegement of influence?

some of u people are a trip lol you talk about people like they don't know you're talking about them

Any Prince fan who doesn't know Susannah's (forget Wendy for a min) Susannah's & Prince love affair and everything that swirled around it are not being real (not a realist) I'm not making any contribution outside of the fact that it is know that Prince has gone out of his way to make song and/or groups based on his 'main squeeze' at the time and Susannah was it

^ Marvin Gaye did the same for Nona's mother and Berry Gordy's sister/his first wife so it ain't like Prince did anything unique with that. Also Peter Frampton did for his woman, the same woman who later cheated on him when he was on the road.

[Edited 1/17/12 1:24am]

Timmy84 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol 2 scenes that were very important lol come one the guitar blow job was huge

and the 'Fathers song' into Computer Blue transition with "Wendy? Yes lisa" and Wendy's guitar screech was dangerous, that linn drum popping hottt

You just loved to see two women getting it on. They were known lesbians after all!

Not that that's a problem because I dig two women simulating sex and everything. But that's not exactly an Oscar worthy moment (although it could be argued Morris Day had the most Oscar-worthy moments of the entire film alongside Clarence Williams III lol). That could've been something Prince organized his damn self like "Wendy, go down on me", "Lisa, say this, Wendy say that."

lol actually I didn't know they were lovers back then

yeah Morris Day & Jerome should get ALOT of credit for the movie

I think Prince probably did, want that scene, the original script had a lot of stuff Prince wanted

But they said the opening line for Computer Blue was those 2 playing around in rehearsal and it stuck

FATHER
Never get married.

(82) INT. CLUB -- NIGHT

The CLUB is THROBBING. Prince is
onstage, stripped to the waist, SWEAT
seeping from his pores in torrents.
He's deep into the pit of "Computer
Blue, " locked into a provocative,
obscene graphic with Wendy. She's on her
knees in front of him, his crotch moving
directly in front of her lips. She's
made up fiercely, looks like Prince
himself. The total effect is unnerving
-- Prince is going down on himself.

OldFriends4Sale said:

ladygirl99 said:

LOL and Stevie Nicks should get the Purple Rain credit since she said Prince wrote that song about her. Susan Moosie for When Doves Cry, and Jill Jones for She Always Pull in My Hair, and Mayte Garcia for The Most Beautiful Girl in the World. Susannah is a okay singer and okay songwriter but she just average in her musical talents imo and some fans are making her contributions more bigger than they are because she is Wendy's twin. Mayte was actually Prince's first wife, unlike susannah who was just fianccee, so where is her knowlegement of influence?

some of u people are a trip lol you talk about people like they don't know you're talking about them

Any Prince fan who doesn't know Susannah's (forget Wendy for a min) Susannah's & Prince love affair and everything that swirled around it are not being real (not a realist) I'm not making any contribution outside of the fact that it is know that Prince has gone out of his way to make song and/or groups based on his 'main squeeze' at the time and Susannah was it

OF4S, why do I get this feeling from reading your posts on Susannah, that you may have a 'thing' for her like a secret crush?

[Edited 1/16/12 19:42pm]

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

some of u people are a trip lol you talk about people like they don't know you're talking about them

Any Prince fan who doesn't know Susannah's (forget Wendy for a min) Susannah's & Prince love affair and everything that swirled around it are not being real (not a realist) I'm not making any contribution outside of the fact that it is know that Prince has gone out of his way to make song and/or groups based on his 'main squeeze' at the time and Susannah was it

OF4S, why do I get this feeling from reading your posts on Susannah, that you may have a 'thing' for her like a secret crush?

[Edited 1/16/12 19:42pm]

I get the same feeling from his posts too.

OldFriends4Sale said:

ladygirl99 said:

LOL and Stevie Nicks should get the Purple Rain credit since she said Prince wrote that song about her. Susan Moosie for When Doves Cry, and Jill Jones for She Always Pull in My Hair, and Mayte Garcia for The Most Beautiful Girl in the World. Susannah is a okay singer and okay songwriter but she just average in her musical talents imo and some fans are making her contributions more bigger than they are because she is Wendy's twin. Mayte was actually Prince's first wife, unlike susannah who was just fianccee, so where is her knowlegement of influence?

some of u people are a trip lol you talk about people like they don't know you're talking about them

Any Prince fan who doesn't know Susannah's (forget Wendy for a min) Susannah's & Prince love affair and everything that swirled around it are not being real (not a realist) I'm not making any contribution outside of the fact that it is know that Prince has gone out of his way to make song and/or groups based on his 'main squeeze' at the time and Susannah was it

lol I really could care less about what went down between Prince and Susannah but all I am saying with the Wendy/Melvoin and Coleman connection some fans exaggerated Susannah contributions that thats my opinion. Susannah was not the only woman he made songs even at the time they were dating, he also wrote songs for his jumpoffs as was reported who he dated while seeing Susannah. And also Susannah is average at best she didnt bring a whole lot of other than writing a few lyrical songs and singing background. She doesnt impressed me music wise or has a wow fact like her sister and Lisa or Jill Jones. To me Sheila E is a badass bitch and also played a more vital role in his life than even Susannah from my observations. She was engaged to him as well and co lead several his songs and performed and collaborate with him. Not only Sheila and Prince were connected before Susannah came to the picture but continues to work with long after he and Susannah broke up even into the 2010s but some fans still insist Susannah is the love of his life but yet snubbed or ignore Sheila E importance who is very greater than Susannah. But if fans want to make like Susannah was the love of his life and overstated her contributions to each of their own.

afro75 said:

Oh...this is one of THOSE threads.

Ikr? But hey I just get the kick out of these threads I had been out of the org for several years well some my main orgers had since left but Prince and Wendy and Lisa debate continues into 2012 what round number eh I forgot!

ladygirl99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

some of u people are a trip lol you talk about people like they don't know you're talking about them

Any Prince fan who doesn't know Susannah's (forget Wendy for a min) Susannah's & Prince love affair and everything that swirled around it are not being real (not a realist) I'm not making any contribution outside of the fact that it is know that Prince has gone out of his way to make song and/or groups based on his 'main squeeze' at the time and Susannah was it

lol I really could care less about what went down between Prince and Susannah but all I am saying with the Wendy/Melvoin and Coleman connection some fans exaggerated Susannah contributions that thats my opinion. Susannah was not the only woman he made songs even at the time they were dating, he also wrote songs for his jumpoffs as was reported who he dated while seeing Susannah. And also Susannah is average at best she didnt bring a whole lot of other than writing a few lyrical songs and singing background. She doesnt impressed me music wise or has a wow fact like her sister and Lisa or Jill Jones. To me Sheila E is a badass bitch and also played a more vital role in his life than even Susannah from my observations. She was engaged to him as well and co lead several his songs and performed and collaborate with him. Not only Sheila and Prince were connected before Susannah came to the picture but continues to work with long after he and Susannah broke up even into the 2010s but some fans still insist Susannah is the love of his life but yet snubbed or ignore Sheila E importance who is very greater than Susannah. But if fans want to make like Susannah was the love of his life and overstated her contributions to each of their own.

Wait so Prince and Sheila did have a romance?

ladygirl99 said:

afro75 said:

Oh...this is one of THOSE threads.

Ikr? But hey I just get the kick out of these threads I had been out of the org for several years well some my main orgers had since left but Prince and Wendy and Lisa debate continues into 2012 what round number eh I forgot!

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Timmy84 said:

ladygirl99 said:

lol I really could care less about what went down between Prince and Susannah but all I am saying with the Wendy/Melvoin and Coleman connection some fans exaggerated Susannah contributions that thats my opinion. Susannah was not the only woman he made songs even at the time they were dating, he also wrote songs for his jumpoffs as was reported who he dated while seeing Susannah. And also Susannah is average at best she didnt bring a whole lot of other than writing a few lyrical songs and singing background. She doesnt impressed me music wise or has a wow fact like her sister and Lisa or Jill Jones. To me Sheila E is a badass bitch and also played a more vital role in his life than even Susannah from my observations. She was engaged to him as well and co lead several his songs and performed and collaborate with him. Not only Sheila and Prince were connected before Susannah came to the picture but continues to work with long after he and Susannah broke up even into the 2010s but some fans still insist Susannah is the love of his life but yet snubbed or ignore Sheila E importance who is very greater than Susannah. But if fans want to make like Susannah was the love of his life and overstated her contributions to each of their own.

Wait so Prince and Sheila did have a romance?

Whatever they called it, lol, but the point is Susannah being engaged with Prince and he wrote songs about her is not unique influence, she was a list of women who he wrote songs about very original (in my sarcastic voice) .

ladygirl99 said:

Timmy84 said:

Wait so Prince and Sheila did have a romance?

Whatever they called it, lol, but the point is Susannah being engaged with Prince and he wrote songs about her is not unique influence, she was a list of women who he wrote songs about very original (in my sarcastic voice) .

Yeah like I said, Prince wasn't the first to do this.

Timmy84 said:

ladygirl99 said:

lol I really could care less about what went down between Prince and Susannah but all I am saying with the Wendy/Melvoin and Coleman connection some fans exaggerated Susannah contributions that thats my opinion. Susannah was not the only woman he made songs even at the time they were dating, he also wrote songs for his jumpoffs as was reported who he dated while seeing Susannah. And also Susannah is average at best she didnt bring a whole lot of other than writing a few lyrical songs and singing background. She doesnt impressed me music wise or has a wow fact like her sister and Lisa or Jill Jones. To me Sheila E is a badass bitch and also played a more vital role in his life than even Susannah from my observations. She was engaged to him as well and co lead several his songs and performed and collaborate with him. Not only Sheila and Prince were connected before Susannah came to the picture but continues to work with long after he and Susannah broke up even into the 2010s but some fans still insist Susannah is the love of his life but yet snubbed or ignore Sheila E importance who is very greater than Susannah. But if fans want to make like Susannah was the love of his life and overstated her contributions to each of their own.

Wait so Prince and Sheila did have a romance?

Do you recall Sheila E.'s song and video "Sister Fate"? It was based on that rumor. I remembered it, back in the day I also recall her saying in one of her interviews that Prince at one time asked her to marry him, but she turned him down

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:

Agreed, the band The Revolution as a whole

Yeah and besides Prince was the organizer of all of that so it ain't like they were the ones holding the strings.

Prince organized all of what?

ladygirl99 said:

Timmy84 said:

Wait so Prince and Sheila did have a romance?

Whatever they called it, lol, but the point is Susannah being engaged with Prince and he wrote songs about her is not unique influence, she was a list of women who he wrote songs about very original (in my sarcastic voice) .

I think her relationship at the time with Prince was unique, the same way Maytes was.

She was the only one in that time period who he moved into her house, so any of the other knew she was a 'main squeeze' as far as that goes. She decorated his home and underemphasizing her role in his life doesn't need to be done to prove your point that Prince is the center ring leader of everything that happened career wise.

ladygirl99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

some of u people are a trip lol you talk about people like they don't know you're talking about them

Any Prince fan who doesn't know Susannah's (forget Wendy for a min) Susannah's & Prince love affair and everything that swirled around it are not being real (not a realist) I'm not making any contribution outside of the fact that it is know that Prince has gone out of his way to make song and/or groups based on his 'main squeeze' at the time and Susannah was it

lol I really could care less about what went down between Prince and Susannah but all I am saying with the Wendy/Melvoin and Coleman connection some fans exaggerated Susannah contributions that thats my opinion. Susannah was not the only woman he made songs even at the time they were dating, he also wrote songs for his jumpoffs as was reported who he dated while seeing Susannah. And also Susannah is average at best she didnt bring a whole lot of other than writing a few lyrical songs and singing background. She doesnt impressed me music wise or has a wow fact like her sister and Lisa or Jill Jones. To me Sheila E is a badass bitch and also played a more vital role in his life than even Susannah from my observations. She was engaged to him as well and co lead several his songs and performed and collaborate with him. Not only Sheila and Prince were connected before Susannah came to the picture but continues to work with long after he and Susannah broke up even into the 2010s but some fans still insist Susannah is the love of his life but yet snubbed or ignore Sheila E importance who is very greater than Susannah. But if fans want to make like Susannah was the love of his life and overstated her contributions to each of their own.

You're blowing this up, I've never read a bunch of stuff from fans exaggerating Susannahs contributions. What contributions are you talking about?

Susannah was the one he made a lot of songs mostly about durin that time, Don't underempasize her place in Prince life at the time either

What made her average? She doesn't have to impress you. I know people who say the same about Sade's voice doesn't mean Sade is average

I don't think Sheila is a bitch, but she is badder than the wicked witch

Sheila E was a protege so from the outside it would seem she played a vital role. We are dealing wth 2 different types of influences. Morris Day played a vital role as well.

Sheila E was never engaged to Prince. And Sheila E didn't start working with Prince until the PR era same time Susannah came into Prince's life.

I've never said she was the love of his life, and honestly I've never ready anyone say that either, your making that up. And I've never read anyone snub or ignore Sheila E's importance in Prince's life. I personally have made thread based on the Prince/Sheila E connection and enjoy reading other's thread that have beenmade. Your exaggerating a lot of what you've said sorry. Way to much generalizing

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

some of u people are a trip lol you talk about people like they don't know you're talking about them

Any Prince fan who doesn't know Susannah's (forget Wendy for a min) Susannah's & Prince love affair and everything that swirled around it are not being real (not a realist) I'm not making any contribution outside of the fact that it is know that Prince has gone out of his way to make song and/or groups based on his 'main squeeze' at the time and Susannah was it

OF4S, why do I get this feeling from reading your posts on Susannah, that you may have a 'thing' for her like a secret crush?

LOL hmmmmm no I don't think so, she's a married woman lol

angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:

Wait so Prince and Sheila did have a romance?

Do you recall Sheila E.'s song and video "Sister Fate"? It was based on that rumor. I remembered it, back in the day I also recall her saying in one of her interviews that Prince at one time asked her to marry him, but she turned him down

I think the whole 'marry me' thing wasn't serious it was sorta right after they meet.

He and Andre had some kind of man bet on who could get her to date them first or something like that.

I also read some things about how Prince(obviously) wasn't serious about Sheila E that way and there was something I read about it being because she wasn't as 'pretty' or something

the Belle of St Mark

Sister Fate

One Day I"m Gonna Make U Mine

are 3 about her relationship with Prince

It would have been cool and helpful if Sheila had an appearance in Purple Rain

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I have a mp3 Chicago Public Radio:Sound Opinions 2009 with Lisa Coleman & Wendy Melvoin, Lisa has always been very factual and honest about Prince and work, who did what etc etc On this interview she talks about the making of the purple rain music and that most of the songs were a group collaboration, that When Doves Cry, the Beautiful Ones and Darling Nikki is all Prince

I've been reading everyones opinions and on both sides everyone has valid truthful points.

I think it a matter of 'fate'. If Joe Jackson wasn't who he was and that family come from a JW background etc would Michael Jackson be as big as he was? would he have been bigger if some of those things did not take place etc

the Beautiful Ones is a song Prince made 4 his want of Susannah Melvoin. Would that song ever have been created if Wendy didn't have a twin sister? G-Spot & Electic Intercourse were 2 be in that place.

Chris Moon was the one that actually got Prince on a more sexual road, cowriting Soft & Wet with him, if Chris Moon hadn't come into Prince's life would he have gone into the direction we knew him to go into.

very interesting ideas, 'what if' If Prince had a bunch of peole in the 1980-1986 years who came and went, who weren't really about Prince but about doing there own thing how long would it have taken Prince to be huge?

If he didn't love Susannah would we have some of the most beautiful music from 1984-1988 song that were dedicated to her that were released years later.... interesting conversation this has become for me.

Just in life in general you could have 100 friends but there tends to be 1 or 2 that stand out and that just bring out the best in you (directly & indirectly) Dark life experiences in some people bring out some of the most creative periods of their life. Whereas some people who float through life at times live very under the radar lifes.

Prince at that time was very good at bringing out the best (and in some cases the worst) in People. His choice in putting Morris Day in front vs Jesse Johnson was very thought out. Vanity created a very cohesive sexiness with Susan & Brenda that Apollonia could not duplicate. Vanity owned that position. Prince made a good choice with those 3, better treatment of he could have had another level/album of higher protege output from them. good decisions & bad decisions. But overall he had a lot of people who liked being where they were so Prince could pull from them the best quality.

I don't think anyone is denying that W&L had some creative input in the songs of that era with Prince and made some suggestions, but at the end of the day, they are not Prince and never will be. I'm sorry, and no disrespect, but I'm not giving them a crown to wear, especially if they are not deserving of it. I appreciate their conributions as musicians and their collaboration with Prince and the classic songs that they contributed to, but you can't deny that he had his musical talent long before they became members of his band. As far as some songs you say he wrote for Susannah, well, she could have been replaced with any other female, he could have written a song for. I'm sorry but W&L are getting more credit than they should, from fans who seem to believe that W&L made Prince, which they didn't. They may have given some creative input during the Purple Rain era, but they were not responsible for his musical talents. It is said that Betty-Mabry (Davis), contributed her input/inspiations/suggestions to some of Miles' music, but she is not responsible for the creative, music skills that Miles already owned, nor did he fail as a musician, when they were no longer together.

I get all your points. It's one thing to give inspiration or encouragement to a musician/artist but the output depends on how the musician/artist will project it to his audience. He was already writing music, shocking audiences with his stage presence and music, long before W&L joined the band.

[Edited 1/16/12 8:05am]

Maybe not Lisa, but Wendy coming from a family of musicians as well as Sheila E knew what they were signing up for. They got help with Prince on their own projects, they were able to get signed to a major label because of that time with Prince.

I think there's this false sense of security because what they did was collaborative that they were always going to be the closest of friends, and a band till the end. But when it's your name up there, the one taking the biggest risk, in the end you come to the realization of being a hired hand. I don't think they can be too bitter - it's opened doors and became in demand writers for TV shows and movies.

A lot of times, artists will give someone the boot just because they came in and asked them for more money. That stuff isn't going to go over well unless you're making like 50 dollars a week,and the guy you're working for is making 6 figures. It's an extreme example, but wouldn't be surprised if it's the case sometimes. But when someone starts fielding offers from other artists, and the headliner finds out about it, then they usually talk about money.

He's a benevolent but loving dictator. He acknowledges the importance of working in a band setting. I think the band members make him play better. There's no doubt about that. They feed off each other. Watching him work without a doubt made them savvier in the studio, and could take on producing because of watching him work at it.

Trent Reznor does the bulk of the work on his songs himself, but when he needs a better musician to fix some of his songs up, he brings them in.But whether it's Trent or Prince or Dave Grohl, they could do it all themselves, but prefer working with a band to make a better sounding song.

He'll hear the ideas, but in the end, his name, his concept, his vision. Can greed and selfishness play into it, wanting to take full credit at times they shouldn't? Sure. But that also plays into growing discontent by musicians who start complaining and making demands, because they think the band will fall apart without them.

Eric Clapton's ex inspired a bunch of hit songs, but she doesn't get royalties out of it. George Harrison also wrote a bunch of songs about her. I mean, getting a small chunk of "Layla", "Wonderful Tonight", and "Something" would make anyone set for life. Being a muse immortalizes you but doesn't pay the bills unless you get a piece in divorce court. But some women will claim to have co-written songs when they go to trial.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

OF4S, why do I get this feeling from reading your posts on Susannah, that you may have a 'thing' for her like a secret crush?

LOL hmmmmm no I don't think so, she's a married woman lol

You sure about that? Didn't her husband leave her for Sheryl Crow sometime last year? You may still have a chance. You seem to have her on this high pedestal like she's some 'Saint'. I see her as just one of P's former girlfriends, that's just about it. I never heard of her until long after 2004, so if some of those songs were written for her back then, he sure isn't singing them to her now is he? (j/k). and the songs didn't help her in her quest to maintain "The Family" name, so I guess her 'It' factor now has as much clout as a fish out of water.

Sidenote: OF4s, I'm just messing with you in fun, because you're so passionate about this topic. (I don't know about Timmy though... no hard feelings Tim:lol: ) I'm very aware how much of a Prince historian you are.

[Edited 1/17/12 9:08am]

dalsh327 said:

2elijah said:

I don't think anyone is denying that W&L had some creative input in the songs of that era with Prince and made some suggestions, but at the end of the day, they are not Prince and never will be. I'm sorry, and no disrespect, but I'm not giving them a crown to wear, especially if they are not deserving of it. I appreciate their conributions as musicians and their collaboration with Prince and the classic songs that they contributed to, but you can't deny that he had his musical talent long before they became members of his band. As far as some songs you say he wrote for Susannah, well, she could have been replaced with any other female, he could have written a song for. I'm sorry but W&L are getting more credit than they should, from fans who seem to believe that W&L made Prince, which they didn't. They may have given some creative input during the Purple Rain era, but they were not responsible for his musical talents. It is said that Betty-Mabry (Davis), contributed her input/inspiations/suggestions to some of Miles' music, but she is not responsible for the creative, music skills that Miles already owned, nor did he fail as a musician, when they were no longer together.

I get all your points. It's one thing to give inspiration or encouragement to a musician/artist but the output depends on how the musician/artist will project it to his audience. He was already writing music, shocking audiences with his stage presence and music, long before W&L joined the band.

[Edited 1/16/12 8:05am]

Maybe not Lisa, but Wendy coming from a family of musicians as well as Sheila E knew what they were signing up for. They got help with Prince on their own projects, they were able to get signed to a major label because of that time with Prince.

I think there's this false sense of security because what they did was collaborative that they were always going to be the closest of friends, and a band till the end. But when it's your name up there, the one taking the biggest risk, in the end you come to the realization of being a hired hand. I don't think they can be too bitter - it's opened doors and became in demand writers for TV shows and movies.

A lot of times, artists will give someone the boot just because they came in and asked them for more money. That stuff isn't going to go over well unless you're making like 50 dollars a week,and the guy you're working for is making 6 figures. It's an extreme example, but wouldn't be surprised if it's the case sometimes. But when someone starts fielding offers from other artists, and the headliner finds out about it, then they usually talk about money.

He's a benevolent but loving dictator. He acknowledges the importance of working in a band setting. I think the band members make him play better. There's no doubt about that. They feed off each other. Watching him work without a doubt made them savvier in the studio, and could take on producing because of watching him work at it.

Trent Reznor does the bulk of the work on his songs himself, but when he needs a better musician to fix some of his songs up, he brings them in.But whether it's Trent or Prince or Dave Grohl, they could do it all themselves, but prefer working with a band to make a better sounding song.

He'll hear the ideas, but in the end, his name, his concept, his vision. Can greed and selfishness play into it, wanting to take full credit at times they shouldn't? Sure. But that also plays into growing discontent by musicians who start complaining and making demands, because they think the band will fall apart without them.

Eric Clapton's ex inspired a bunch of hit songs, but she doesn't get royalties out of it. George Harrison also wrote a bunch of songs about her. I mean, getting a small chunk of "Layla", "Wonderful Tonight", and "Something" would make anyone set for life. Being a muse immortalizes you but doesn't pay the bills unless you get a piece in divorce court. But some women will claim to have co-written songs when they go to trial.

Thanks, great post. I agree with that bolded part of your post as well. The thing is, all the former band associates, who are still working/performing today, still pull from Prince's fan base regardless, so that's a plus for them, because it keeps them relevant to their fans. So in a way, they'll always benefit from his name or previous association with him as band members. Not saying they can't be successful without Prince in the mix, but they can always have his name on their resume.

Timmy84 said:

^ Marvin Gaye did the same for Nona's mother and Berry Gordy's sister/his first wife so it ain't like Prince did anything unique with that. Also Peter Frampton did for his woman, the same woman who later cheated on him when he was on the road.

What is the big deal?

It has nothing to do with being unique

We were just dealing with inspirational muses and how people can effect creativity

Had nothing to do with Prince doing something unique

This is what happens when other throw in their own twist on a persons words now eveyone is jumping on if or if not Prince is unique with creating music and projects surround a woman.

Dude you talking 2 a fucking Prince fan who knows Prince did it for Sue Ann, Vanity, Susannah Sheila Jill etc etc lol come on

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL hmmmmm no I don't think so, she's a married woman lol

You sure about that? Didn't her husband leave her for Sheryl Crow sometime last year? You may still have a chance. You seem to have her on this high pedestal like she's some 'Saint'. I see her as just one of P's former girlfriends, that's just about it. I never heard of her until long after 2004, so if some of those songs were written for her back then, he sure isn't singing them to her now is he? (j/k). and the songs didn't help her in her quest to maintain "The Family" name, so I guess her 'It' factor now has as much clout as a fish out of water.

Now someone else is going to run with this and blow it up further out of the water.

How did you read "saint" into what I'm talking about lol, I've talked the same about Vanity & Sheila E and even created threads talking about the relationship/music of that era. I never did one particularly with Susannah. Saint? what does that have to do with creative inspiration. People do that with lovers, some don't. Prince does, probably not all

Just because you never heard of her till 2004 didn't mean I didn't know of her in 1985

I disagree with your take on the end, it was more about St Paul than Susannah and the situation is the same with the Time. Let's leave it in the context of what we are talking about as far as the muse factor and that's what I'm talking about.

I've had lovers but usually only a few spark a lot of creative artwork out of me, So I understand how and why

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

You sure about that? Didn't her husband leave her for Sheryl Crow sometime last year? You may still have a chance. You seem to have her on this high pedestal like she's some 'Saint'. I see her as just one of P's former girlfriends, that's just about it. I never heard of her until long after 2004, so if some of those songs were written for her back then, he sure isn't singing them to her now is he? (j/k). and the songs didn't help her in her quest to maintain "The Family" name, so I guess her 'It' factor now has as much clout as a fish out of water.

Now someone else is going to run with this and blow it up further out of the water.

How did you read "saint" into what I'm talking about lol, I've talked the same about Vanity & Sheila E and even created threads talking about the relationship/music of that era. I never did one particularly with Susannah. Saint? what does that have to do with creative inspiration. People do that with lovers, some don't. Prince does, probably not all

Just because you never heard of her till 2004 didn't mean I didn't know of her in 1985

I disagree with your take on the end, it was more about St Paul than Susannah and the situation is the same with the Time. Let's leave it in the context of what we are talking about as far as the muse factor and that's what I'm talking about.

I've had lovers but usually only a few spark a lot of creative artwork out of me, So I understand how and why

No I think they can tell I'm just kidding, so I don't think anyone will run with it. I read many of your threads posted here on Prince and his early days of his music career, and associates who were part of his band/crew, and when you mentioned Susannah, so that's how I could tell you're sort of a big fan of hers.

Seriously, though I've never heard of Susannah until after 2004, and learned about her on an unofficial Prince fansite. Anyway, whenever I purchased Prince music over the years, it was for the music itself, n I guess I didn't concern myself as to who the 'muse' was behind songs he's written for some. Now for some of his songs you could tell it came from a spiritual sense, not so much based on a person, but moreso his spiritual beliefs being the inspiration behind some of his songs, like some of the ones he's written recently.

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2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Now someone else is going to run with this and blow it up further out of the water.

How did you read "saint" into what I'm talking about lol, I've talked the same about Vanity & Sheila E and even created threads talking about the relationship/music of that era. I never did one particularly with Susannah. Saint? what does that have to do with creative inspiration. People do that with lovers, some don't. Prince does, probably not all

Just because you never heard of her till 2004 didn't mean I didn't know of her in 1985

I disagree with your take on the end, it was more about St Paul than Susannah and the situation is the same with the Time. Let's leave it in the context of what we are talking about as far as the muse factor and that's what I'm talking about.

I've had lovers but usually only a few spark a lot of creative artwork out of me, So I understand how and why

No I think they can tell I'm just kidding, so I don't think anyone will run with it. I read many of your threads posted here on Prince and his early days of his music career, and associates who were part of his band/crew, and when you mentioned Susannah, so that's how I could tell you're sort of a big fan of hers.

Seriously, though I've never heard of Susannah until after 2004, and learned about her on an unofficial Prince fansite. Anyway, whenever I purchased Prince music over the years, it was for the music itself, n I guess I didn't concern myself as to who the 'muse' was behind songs he's written for some. Now for some of his songs you could tell it came from a spiritual sense, not so much based on a person, but moreso his spiritual beliefs being the inspiration behind some of his songs, like some of the ones he's written recently.

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Right. I still don't even think of his muses whenever I hear songs that were "inspired" by them because the listener can always attribute Prince's love songs to their own romances. That's the beauty of music.

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL hmmmmm no I don't think so, she's a married woman lol

You sure about that? Didn't her husband leave her for Sheryl Crow sometime last year? You may still have a chance. You seem to have her on this high pedestal like she's some 'Saint'. I see her as just one of P's former girlfriends, that's just about it. I never heard of her until long after 2004, so if some of those songs were written for her back then, he sure isn't singing them to her now is he? (j/k). and the songs didn't help her in her quest to maintain "The Family" name, so I guess her 'It' factor now has as much clout as a fish out of water.

Sidenote: OF4s, I'm just messing with you in fun, because you're so passionate about this topic. (I don't know about Timmy though... no hard feelings Tim ) I'm very aware how much of a Prince historian you are.

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[Q-Tip]Now why you wanna go and go and do that love, huh?[/Q-Tip]

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Timmy84 said:

2elijah said:

No I think they can tell I'm just kidding, so I don't think anyone will run with it. I read many of your threads posted here on Prince and his early days of his music career, and associates who were part of his band/crew, and when you mentioned Susannah, so that's how I could tell you're sort of a big fan of hers.

Seriously, though I've never heard of Susannah until after 2004, and learned about her on an unofficial Prince fansite. Anyway, whenever I purchased Prince music over the years, it was for the music itself, n I guess I didn't concern myself as to who the 'muse' was behind songs he's written for some. Now for some of his songs you could tell it came from a spiritual sense, not so much based on a person, but moreso his spiritual beliefs being the inspiration behind some of his songs, like some of the ones he's written recently.

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Right. I still don't even think of his muses whenever I hear songs that were "inspired" by them because the listener can always attribute Prince's love songs to their own romances. That's the beauty of music.

True, as when you're listening to one of his love ballads, I would think most may relate the lyrics to a previous or current relationship. I'm sure most songs are 'inspired' by something or someone.

Timmy84 said:

2elijah said:

You sure about that? Didn't her husband leave her for Sheryl Crow sometime last year? You may still have a chance. You seem to have her on this high pedestal like she's some 'Saint'. I see her as just one of P's former girlfriends, that's just about it. I never heard of her until long after 2004, so if some of those songs were written for her back then, he sure isn't singing them to her now is he? (j/k). and the songs didn't help her in her quest to maintain "The Family" name, so I guess her 'It' factor now has as much clout as a fish out of water.

Sidenote: OF4s, I'm just messing with you in fun, because you're so passionate about this topic. (I don't know about Timmy though... no hard feelings Tim ) I'm very aware how much of a Prince historian you are.

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[Q-Tip]Now why you wanna go and go and do that love, huh?[/Q-Tip]

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I was reading yours and OF4s posts on this topic, and wasn't sure if you two were seeing eye to eye. I know Of4s is a Prince historian, by the threads he's created in the past/currently in this forum.. so Timmy I figured you just didn't have a dog in this fight against his knowledge of Prince's music career including the former associate band members, but it's okay, Timmy.. I still think you're cool though.

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2elijah said:

Timmy84 said:

[Q-Tip]Now why you wanna go and go and do that love, huh?[/Q-Tip]

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I was reading yours and OF4s posts on this topic, and wasn't sure if you two were seeing eye to eye. I know Of4s is a Prince historian, by the threads he's created in the past/currently in this forum.. so Timmy I figured you just didn't have a dog in this fight against his knowledge of Prince's music career including the former associate band members, but it's okay, Timmy.. I still think you're cool though.

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Nah it ain't like I got anything against OF4S. I just think sometimes he does give too much credit to people Prince worked with. Don't get me wrong, they added their contributions in helping him out but at the end it's his product, yanno? Also judging from your own posts, most didn't sound like you were "playing" with him.