alexandernevamind said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I noticed that too. It seemed to me like it's just a fan trying to prove that Prince sucks now, just because they haven't liked his recent music.

Gabi Wilson doesn't need PRINCE.ORG TO PROMOTE HER, I think that's what a record label does.I'm just her fan and think she's on her way to greatness.

You heard it from me first.

I never said Prince sucked, I said his new music doesn't excite me.

No need to get upset. It's the impression you're giving others, because you've made other threads on the same artist in other forums on this site.

alexandernevamind said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I noticed that too. It seemed to me like it's just a fan trying to prove that Prince sucks now, just because they haven't liked his recent music.

Gabi Wilson doesn't need PRINCE.ORG TO PROMOTE HER, I think that's what a record label does.I'm just her fan and think she's on her way to greatness.

You heard it from me first.

I never said Prince sucked, I said his new music doesn't excite me.

This is what you said:

Why has his music sucked in the last 10 years?

That is basically the same as saying 'Prince sucks now' which is how I worded it.

It's odd that you bring Gabi Wilson into a thread that is supposed to be about Prince, and it's odder that every post you've made here before today was about her.

Anyway, this thread about Prince stealing from other artists, or Prince's new music not being good anymore has been done a million times, so it's kinda like:

Oh I remember that . Saw that online.

rdhull said:

alexandernevamind said:

Yes Prince is talented but come on, we all know he couldn't have written the music to Purple Rain without Wendy and Lisa and a cast of other people.

Only bad thing for them is that he refuses to give anybody else credit but himself and most of them couldn't afford to sue him afterwards.("Kiss" was written by a group called Mazarati).

A lot of people in the music business use their starpower to get people to work for them for little or nothing.These people are usually new to the business and are just really excited to be working with the star.

Pretty soon though, reality kicks in and they realize they've been used.When they start asking for what's owed them, they usually get fired.

Prince is at the age where he could really make some great music by collabing with other artist.I would love to hear him on a record with Santana, Herbie Hancock,Stevie,Alicia Keys,Estelle,Miguel,

Adele,Beyonce,Neyo,Chris Brown.I'd actually start buying his music again.

He might get on stage with these artist but why can't he make a record with them? Is it a money issue? Is he afraid of being upstaged? Why has his music sucked in the last 10 years?

I love Prince but I think it's time somebody called him out on this.

Google Gabi Wilson, she's the future of music.

Hey Alex..did you know that Prince was once onstage with Michael Jackson and James Brown?

In the U2 song "The Fly", Bono sings:

Every artist is a cannibal

Every poet is a thief

All kill with their inspiration

And sing about their grief

Seems about right.

2elijah said:

I disagree. W&L would not have been popular (mostly to many Prince fans) if it wasn't for Prince. Their involvement as band members in the movie is the only reason they, as well as other band members who were in that movie, are more known to Prince fans moreso than those band members that became part of his band, long after the movie was made, as well as current band members.

Secondly, many musicians/artists borrow (not steal) a little off one another's style, because most musicians/artists are fans of musicians/artists that came before them. It's not unusual that musicians/artists borrow off one anothers's sound and can take that music and create something else out of it, so I don't really see anything new about what you're stating here. There's two sides to every story and if you only hear one side of a story, then you don't have all the facts, when it comes to musicians/artists stating they've been used by either a record label/executive or another musician. I like hearing from 'all sides' before I base what I hear from rumors or only one side of the story.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's right for any musician/artist to use or abuse another's talent or to not give them credit for their input in another musician's work, just better to draw a conclusion when all the facts and truths behind these type stories are put on the table.

I don't think it's about wether Wendy & Lisa or anyone else would be known if it wasn't 4 Prince. I think he's talking about the actual supply of creativity that actually came from the band members and proteges at the time.

I don't think anyone artist can be out for long without that creative flow from other people.

And I don't think the huge leap in creative output from 1982-1986 happened by chance.

And those band members probably moreso than any after the 1988 years from interviews from back then till now openly adore Prince, and I've never heard any of them say 'they made Prince' or put him down. I remember a 1987 'video' interview with Wendy Lisa Jill Jones & Vanity and there was no kind of bitterness or put down, but a respectful adoration.

Apollonia is the only 1 I can recall that would say how Prince was with her. And he probably was. She said he was a tyrant lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

I disagree. W&L would not have been popular (mostly to many Prince fans) if it wasn't for Prince. Their involvement as band members in the movie is the only reason they, as well as other band members who were in that movie, are more known to Prince fans moreso than those band members that became part of his band, long after the movie was made, as well as current band members.

Secondly, many musicians/artists borrow (not steal) a little off one another's style, because most musicians/artists are fans of musicians/artists that came before them. It's not unusual that musicians/artists borrow off one anothers's sound and can take that music and create something else out of it, so I don't really see anything new about what you're stating here. There's two sides to every story and if you only hear one side of a story, then you don't have all the facts, when it comes to musicians/artists stating they've been used by either a record label/executive or another musician. I like hearing from 'all sides' before I base what I hear from rumors or only one side of the story.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's right for any musician/artist to use or abuse another's talent or to not give them credit for their input in another musician's work, just better to draw a conclusion when all the facts and truths behind these type stories are put on the table.

I don't think it's about wether Wendy & Lisa or anyone else would be known if it wasn't 4 Prince. I think he's talking about the actual supply of creativity that actually came from the band members and proteges at the time.

I don't think anyone artist can be out for long without that creative flow from other people.

And I don't think the huge leap in creative output from 1982-1986 happened by chance.

http://prince.org/msg/7/367241

well if thats the case then

"How deep does Trynka go? For starters, he tracks down the kid who punched 15-year-old Bowie in the face in a fight over a girl, permanently disfiguring his eye. He aslo gives ample room to the critics who see Bowie as a musical vampire who's spent decades absorbing the ideas of others (Marc Bolan, Mick Ronson, Iggy Pop) and passing them off as his own. But Trynka is a staunch Bowie defender: "In reality, he rarely took from [his collaborators]-he inspired them to summon up ideas that would never have existed without him."

Were they all inspired to "summon up ideas that would never have existed without him"? I never got to hear that W&L kids cd they made in their youth, never heard Flyte Times material previous to The Time etc, Andre's own ideas on his solo cds were okay, Wendy and Lisa's releases have been okay but not awe inspiring as Princes seminal works imo, and the other band members who have come in and out haven't really struck a major chord with me, even though their output is respectable. Isn't it possible that Prince inspired them as well instead of Prince being this musically blank ignorant slate that had to be shown the palette color scheme by everyone around him? The popular consensus goes that Prince was introduced to several ideals , themes, and artists, by others to create what he did. But its also possible that Princes own creative skills elevated the other band members. Gave them the confidence to add strings, to make their own solo cds, to explore sound dynamics that they presented on his albums and their own solo.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

alexandernevamind said:

This is what you said:

Why has his music sucked in the last 10 years?

That is basically the same as saying 'Prince sucks now' which is how I worded it.

It's odd that you bring Gabi Wilson into a thread that is supposed to be about Prince, and it's odder that every post you've made here before today was about her.

Anyway, this thread about Prince stealing from other artists, or Prince's new music not being good anymore has been done a million times, so it's kinda like:

[Snip - luv4u]

So Wendy and Lisa wrote 1999, When Doves Cry, Lets Go Crazy, I Wanna Be Your Lover, Little Red Corvette too right? Those songs made Prince popular before Wendy and Lisa became having more creative input. Lisa might had beeen around of those songs that I listed, but she was merely a bandmember hired before Wendy joined the band. Other than the Stick, which was her song, and adding bits of keyboard line on songs like Dirty Mind, she play in songs what Prince told her until at least Wendy came to the band.

Wendy and Lisa were at the right place at the right time with Purple Rain, and if Dez and Andre remained in the band and stay in the movie they would had been popular too. In other words if Wendy and Lisa were NOT in Purple Rain, the movie and soundtrack would still be popular. Sorry but that is the truth.

I love Wendy and Lisa and had been a fan of theirs for the last twenty years and I even talk to them couple times via twitter but some W&L fans need to stop changing history about events.

nursev said:

The truth of things like this is that no one would know or give two shits about wendy or lisa or any of the other band members/associates if it was not for their affiliation with Prince. Yes some of them have had minor success after Prince, but they all owe any of their success to him. I for one really only still listen to Sheila, the Time/O7 and old Andre and Vanity 6 songs. All these folks owe Prince for giving them a chance and fans that can't give Prince that credit are sad.

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!!!!!

I think wendy and lisa's influence is mostly felt on atwiad and utcm (as well the strings in Purple rain). While Prince wrote the songs, I believe it was the combination of wendy lisa and of course claire fischer(utcm) that took them to another level. Think of a great producer like quincy jones. He surrounds himself with the best, and is able to have these guys feed off each other as well as himself. Prince is in a different league because he can do it all himself. However, he already did that on his earlier albums. I think by the time Purple rain came around, he was ready for additional contributions from his bandmates. As far as credit goes, I do think he's a little unfair with that at times.

[Edited 1/15/12 14:46pm]

alexandernevamind said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I noticed that too. It seemed to me like it's just a fan trying to prove that Prince sucks now, just because they haven't liked his recent music.

Gabi Wilson doesn't need PRINCE.ORG TO PROMOTE HER, I think that's what a record label does.I'm just her fan and think she's on her way to greatness.

You heard it from me first.

I never said Prince sucked, I said his new music doesn't excite me.

The music output of the associated artists does not excite me either that includes Wendy and Lisa's. Their music is just like FDeluxe's bland, boring, unforgettable and its not like they've done well outside of prince with the selling of their cds. I used to buy all of their cds just to support and then i stopped because each time I listen to them i got frustrated. with the exception of the O7, Jesse Johnson, and Sheila E. I could care less about the music by any other associated artists.

I'm sure the collobaration with Prince and his bandmates were valuable, but people here always want to make it a one way thing, that Wendy and Lisa made Prince and that it was not a mutual beneficial relationship.

I also disagree with your opinion on the Prince's recent work because I totally enjoy Rainbow Children, 3121, LotusFlower and a few tracks here and there from NEWS, Planet Earth and 20Ten.

Threads like this annoy the hell out of me.

Wendy and Lisa are awesome. I love them. But Prince would have been huge with or without them. Still, I'm incredibly glad that he worked with them for a while, because it led to some amazing stuff. The OP is based on a stupid premise.

rdhull said:

alexandernevamind said:

Yes Prince is talented but come on, we all know he couldn't have written the music to Purple Rain without Wendy and Lisa and a cast of other people.

Only bad thing for them is that he refuses to give anybody else credit but himself and most of them couldn't afford to sue him afterwards.("Kiss" was written by a group called Mazarati).

A lot of people in the music business use their starpower to get people to work for them for little or nothing.These people are usually new to the business and are just really excited to be working with the star.

Pretty soon though, reality kicks in and they realize they've been used.When they start asking for what's owed them, they usually get fired.

Prince is at the age where he could really make some great music by collabing with other artist.I would love to hear him on a record with Santana, Herbie Hancock,Stevie,Alicia Keys,Estelle,Miguel,

Adele,Beyonce,Neyo,Chris Brown.I'd actually start buying his music again.

He might get on stage with these artist but why can't he make a record with them? Is it a money issue? Is he afraid of being upstaged? Why has his music sucked in the last 10 years?

I love Prince but I think it's time somebody called him out on this.

Google Gabi Wilson, she's the future of music.

Hey Alex..did you know that Prince was once onstage with Michael Jackson and James Brown?

And it was the best version of "Hey Hannigan" ever!

WaterInYourBath said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Every single post they made was a new thread about Gabi Wilson.

[Edited 1/15/12 12:57pm]

....

Maybe he's Gabi Wilson's dad!

ladygirl99 said:

So Wendy and Lisa wrote 1999, When Doves Cry, Lets Go Crazy, I Wanna Be Your Lover, Little Red Corvette too right? Those songs made Prince popular before Wendy and Lisa became having more creative input. Lisa might had beeen around of those songs that I listed, but she was merely a bandmember hired before Wendy joined the band. Other than the Stick, which was her song, and adding bits of keyboard line on songs like Dirty Mind, she play in songs what Prince told her until at least Wendy came to the band.

Wendy and Lisa were at the right place at the right time with Purple Rain, and if Dez and Andre remained in the band and stay in the movie they would had been popular too. In other words if Wendy and Lisa were NOT in Purple Rain, the movie and soundtrack would still be popular. Sorry but that is the truth.

I love Wendy and Lisa and had been a fan of theirs for the last twenty years and I even talk to them couple times via twitter but some W&L fans need to stop changing history about events.

during the Controversy on up years Prince was using Lisa Coleman and Dez alot in the creative process. the writing of actual songs is not up for aruement. There are songs that Prince wrote all by himself and songs that 1 or more persons added input.

the musical process though, Prince had a lot of creative input from others. If I create a music chord for a song during a rehearsal or jam session and someone else takes it and uses it, who actually created it? That happened a lot with Prince and his early band(s)

It is obvious that Prince listened to Wendy Lisa Susannah Sheila E a lot (he was more 'comfortable') after a certain period with women.

No it's not the truth. Your saying the music would have been the same if someone else was in the band and that's far from the truth. That is Wendy's chords starting with the opening of Purple Rain & Computer Blue, if it was Stef from Sheila E's band it would not be the same song or noth even created. Even the opening line Wendy? Yes Lisa... they came up with. So that in itself would not be if Dez and Gayle were there. Everyone is a unique individual, they bring something different to the table. According to Lisa Coleman a lot of the Purple Rain sessions music was created with the Revolution working it out in the Warehouse and all night creative sessions, people adding there own piece.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

I disagree. W&L would not have been popular (mostly to many Prince fans) if it wasn't for Prince. Their involvement as band members in the movie is the only reason they, as well as other band members who were in that movie, are more known to Prince fans moreso than those band members that became part of his band, long after the movie was made, as well as current band members.

Secondly, many musicians/artists borrow (not steal) a little off one another's style, because most musicians/artists are fans of musicians/artists that came before them. It's not unusual that musicians/artists borrow off one anothers's sound and can take that music and create something else out of it, so I don't really see anything new about what you're stating here. There's two sides to every story and if you only hear one side of a story, then you don't have all the facts, when it comes to musicians/artists stating they've been used by either a record label/executive or another musician. I like hearing from 'all sides' before I base what I hear from rumors or only one side of the story.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's right for any musician/artist to use or abuse another's talent or to not give them credit for their input in another musician's work, just better to draw a conclusion when all the facts and truths behind these type stories are put on the table.

I don't think it's about wether Wendy & Lisa or anyone else would be known if it wasn't 4 Prince. I think he's talking about the actual supply of creativity that actually came from the band members and proteges at the time.

I don't think anyone artist can be out for long without that creative flow from other people.

And I don't think the huge leap in creative output from 1982-1986 happened by chance.

And those band members probably moreso than any after the 1988 years from interviews from back then till now openly adore Prince, and I've never heard any of them say 'they made Prince' or put him down. I remember a 1987 'video' interview with Wendy Lisa Jill Jones & Vanity and there was no kind of bitterness or put down, but a respectful adoration.

Apollonia is the only 1 I can recall that would say how Prince was with her. And he probably was. She said he was a tyrant lol

Hi OF4S, No disrespect, but I'm not putting Wendy and Lisa's input or contribution down, during their time with Prince. Their 'pop' sound was cool when 'pop' music was popular. These days, it's a whole different ball game and I really don't think W&L's sound, would fit that great into the market today. I mean I think it's cool they're making music for tv/cable shows, but it's mainly the Prince fans that would notice that or care to mention.

My thing is some fans continuously believe that Prince is not or cannot be successful without W&L, and I say that's a 'bold-face lie'. W&L still exists, and nothing has stopped them from moving forward without Prince, and I doubt seriously if Prince's reputation depends on them to survive as a musician, and he's already proven that he can survive without them. If after their time in his bands, they helped him in the creative process of his songs, then that's fine too, but they are not Prince, and they're not the only musicians I'm sure he's asked to help in the creative process of a song. Now the 80s sound was perfect for that era, but now those songs which included contributions by W&L with Prince are classics to be enjoyed, just like the classics Gayle and Dez played on in the early part of Prince's career.

Now with some Prince fans not growing out of that era, and still stuck deep in it, not embracing the Prince that's moved on without them, while they are still stuck in Prince's purple ,sparkle suit jacket he wore in Purple Rain, guess what? Prince has moved on musically, and didn't get caught up in that era. He changed with the times, as hopefully most musicians/artists do. Why get pigeonholed in one era when you're talented from the beginning, with being able to gravitate towards various sounds of music and grow musically at the same time? He was always unpredictable with his music and taking risks with it, despite some fans, not wanting to embrace his non-80s type music, after Purple Rain, but rather want to keep him in a box tied up with only certain musicians they feel are 'qualified'(according to their own selfishness) to perform on stage with Prince.

Now imagine if he did have W&L on stage to perform a show with him now, the first thing Prince fans would say is "See he can't survive without W&L's input", and after that, many W&L fans would continue to associate and compare that reunion to whatever music/performance he does afterwards, and would claim it doesn't measure up to his collaboration with W&L, as though he couldn't or can't survive musically without W&L, but really, that's total bs in and of itself. The bottom line is, W&L were just 2 of many band members who were once part of his group, made good contributions, but they are not Prince, and in no way did they 'make' Prince's talent or were the 'major' end all, be all creators of a gift Prince already possessed, which he can rightfully claim as his own.

[Edited 1/15/12 18:21pm]

alexandernevamind said:

Funk music is dead.Nobody under 30 listens to it.

The way people talk about him and his music on the forum, you would think he did still make funk records...or that it was straight up funk tracks that made him popuar.

...But Prince was already popular before the Revolution.

He got boring and repetitive when Leeds got too involved.

.......Then he got even more boring when he formed a band of session players.

.......Then he got even more boring than boring when he brought in a funk legend to be the musical director of the least funky band of funk session players ever assembled.

It's still Prince. He's still got great songs hidden in there....but Wendy and Lisa couldn't save him from that.

someone lock this dumb fuckin bullshit up already

Efan said:

Threads like this annoy the hell out of me.

Wendy and Lisa are awesome. I love them. But Prince would have been huge with or without them. Still, I'm incredibly glad that he worked with them for a while, because it led to some amazing stuff. The OP is based on a stupid premise.

Yeah, it's pretty silly because it's just opinion and speculation stated as though it's a fact.

It's odd to me that people always assume that if these artists had never met each other, then so and so wouldn't have done this or that, etc...etc, when none of us really knows what would have happened. How do we know that things wouldn't have turned out even better for each of them instead of worse? We don't. It's just an idle, "what if?" type of discussion.

All we know for sure is that when they worked together things turned out very well but there is absolutely no reason to think that Prince would not have found equal or better talent and inspiration to work with or for that matter, that W&L wouldn't have been even more successful if they had joined Elton John's band for example, instead of the Revolution.

It's all coulda, shoulda, woulda...

NouveauDance said:

^ perfect.

Funk music is not fucking dead, I eat, sleep, breathe and dream funk and I'm a decade under 30 my friend, so don't count us out!

Also, people need to stop this Prince STOLE from so-and-so BULLSHIT.

Name ONE fucking artist who has created something that is void of inspiration from another, I fucking CHALLENGE you.

You can't. I am almost tempted to explain why, but if this doesn't strike you as a sudden realization I won't waste my breath. And I'm not trying to be a dick dude, but seriously, how many times has this shit been said? Fucking ten threads pop up a week about Prince "stealing" from other artists and I'm sick of hearing that tired fucking fallacy.

If creating something via the means of inspiration and influence of another artist or their creation(s) makes you a theif, then we ALL are guilty.

Lock. This. Shit. PLEASE.

If you want to hear what Wendy and Lisa bring to the table just listen their own albums. You can easily judge what they put out musically.

babynoz said:

Efan said:

Threads like this annoy the hell out of me.

Wendy and Lisa are awesome. I love them. But Prince would have been huge with or without them. Still, I'm incredibly glad that he worked with them for a while, because it led to some amazing stuff. The OP is based on a stupid premise.

Yeah, it's pretty silly because it's just opinion and speculation stated as though it's a fact.

It's odd to me that people always assume that if these artists had never met each other, then so and so wouldn't have done this or that, etc...etc, when none of us really knows what would have happened. How do we know that things wouldn't have turned out even better for each of them instead of worse? We don't. It's just an idle, "what if?" type of discussion.

All we know for sure is that when they worked together things turned out very well but there is absolutely no reason to think that Prince would not have found equal or better talent and inspiration to work with or for that matter, that W&L wouldn't have been even more successful if they had joined Elton John's band for example, instead of the Revolution.

It's all coulda, shoulda, woulda...

Well said, Babynoz. Agree with bolded part of your post.

MarquessMarq said:

NouveauDance said:

^ perfect.

Funk music is not fucking dead, I eat, sleep, breathe and dream funk and I'm a decade under 30 my friend, so don't count us out!

Also, people need to stop this Prince STOLE from so-and-so BULLSHIT.

Name ONE fucking artist who has created something that is void of inspiration from another, I fucking CHALLENGE you.

You can't. I am almost tempted to explain why, but if this doesn't strike you as a sudden realization I won't waste my breath. And I'm not trying to be a dick dude, but seriously, how many times has this shit been said? Fucking ten threads pop up a week about Prince "stealing" from other artists and I'm sick of hearing that tired fucking fallacy.

If creating something via the means of inspiration and influence of another artist or their creation(s) makes you a theif, then we ALL are guilty.

Lock. This. Shit. PLEASE.

[Snip - luv4u] The post was about not giving credit to people who were in the studio helping create your music.Basically this means PUBLISHING!

That has nothing to do with inspiration or influence.OBVIOUSLY any successful artist has been influenced by OTHER successful artist.

[Snip - luv4u]

Well, damn. Sorry for misinterprating what you meant. No hard feelings.

nursev said:

The truth of things like this is that no one would know or give two shits about wendy or lisa or any of the other band members/associates if it was not for their affiliation with Prince. Yes some of them have had minor success after Prince, but they all owe any of their success to him. I for one really only still listen to Sheila, the Time/O7 and old Andre and Vanity 6 songs. All these folks owe Prince for giving them a chance and fans that can't give Prince that credit are sad.

truth is Wendy Lisa and Susannah and the others believed in Prince's vision, they loved working with and for him. As we can read on any interviews they adore Prince and speak highly of him

Truth is Prince had the right people in his camp and life that helped take him to superstar status. These people reflected his purple light well.

These lyrics say a lot from Prince about 2 women that had a lot of input chemistry and creative flow with Prince

To these walls I talkTellin' 'em what I wasn't strong enough to sayTo these walls I talkTellin' 'em how I cried the day you went away
How did we ever lose communication?How did we ever lose each other's sound?Baby, if you wanna, we can fix the situationMaybe we can stop the rain from coming down, yeah
In this bed I screamLonely nights I lay awake thinking of youAnd if I'm cursed with a dreamA thousand times I feel whatever I've put you through
Tell me, how're we gonna put this back together?How're we gonna think with the same mind?Knowing all along that life is so much betterLiving and loving together all the time, living and loving
In this bed I, in this bed I, in this bed I scream
In this car I driveI'm looking for the road that leads back to the soul we sharedWith my very lifeI'd gladly be the body upon the cross we bear(Cross we bear)
How did we ever lose communication?(How did we?)How did we ever lose each other's sound?(I don't know)Baby, if you wanna, we can fix the situationMaybe we can stop the rain from coming down
Maybe we can't, maybe we canStop the rain, stop the rain
In this bed I, in this bed I, in this bed I screamI scream, in this bed I scream

rdhull said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think it's about wether Wendy & Lisa or anyone else would be known if it wasn't 4 Prince. I think he's talking about the actual supply of creativity that actually came from the band members and proteges at the time.

I don't think anyone artist can be out for long without that creative flow from other people.

And I don't think the huge leap in creative output from 1982-1986 happened by chance.

http://prince.org/msg/7/367241

well if thats the case then

"How deep does Trynka go? For starters, he tracks down the kid who punched 15-year-old Bowie in the face in a fight over a girl, permanently disfiguring his eye. He aslo gives ample room to the critics who see Bowie as a musical vampire who's spent decades absorbing the ideas of others (Marc Bolan, Mick Ronson, Iggy Pop) and passing them off as his own. But Trynka is a staunch Bowie defender: "In reality, he rarely took from [his collaborators]-he inspired them to summon up ideas that would never have existed without him."

Were they all inspired to "summon up ideas that would never have existed without him"? I never got to hear that W&L kids cd they made in their youth, never heard Flyte Times material previous to The Time etc, Andre's own ideas on his solo cds were okay, Wendy and Lisa's releases have been okay but not awe inspiring as Princes seminal works imo, and the other band members who have come in and out haven't really struck a major chord with me, even though their output is respectable. Isn't it possible that Prince inspired them as well instead of Prince being this musically blank ignorant slate that had to be shown the palette color scheme by everyone around him? The popular consensus goes that Prince was introduced to several ideals , themes, and artists, by others to create what he did. But its also possible that Princes own creative skills elevated the other band members. Gave them the confidence to add strings, to make their own solo cds, to explore sound dynamics that they presented on his albums and their own solo.

Anyone who has ready my posts know that I've said before the Prince is a sun and they were moons who reflected his light

Prince has definately & fate brought the right people in2 his camp at the right time

Bobby Z said something to the affect of being so inspired by Prince that dedicating his life career to Prince was easy for him to do

When asking Wendy about being a solo artist or something like that she said she is most effective right where she is beside Prince and many other comments from the band then like this

I've never said '___ made Prince' there was a nice artistic flow back in forth that created some of the most beautiful Purple music

nonsense. Who wrote when doves cry, wendy, lisa? Prince wrote it by himself. Wendy herself said she was amazed when she heard "the beautiful ones", a song prince wrote by himself.

So we know Prince wrote WDC AND TBO by himself, why is it so hard to believe he wrote other great songs?

Wendy and Lisa= extremely overrated.

and by the way, Prince wrote Kiss, its a balant lie that it was written by someone else. The Arrangement was properly credited.

Prince wouldn't have written the purple rain music without wendy and lisa? Well he did write When Doves Cry and The Beautiful ones without them so that argument is complete nonsense.

OldFriends4Sale said:

ladygirl99 said:

So Wendy and Lisa wrote 1999, When Doves Cry, Lets Go Crazy, I Wanna Be Your Lover, Little Red Corvette too right? Those songs made Prince popular before Wendy and Lisa became having more creative input. Lisa might had beeen around of those songs that I listed, but she was merely a bandmember hired before Wendy joined the band. Other than the Stick, which was her song, and adding bits of keyboard line on songs like Dirty Mind, she play in songs what Prince told her until at least Wendy came to the band.

Wendy and Lisa were at the right place at the right time with Purple Rain, and if Dez and Andre remained in the band and stay in the movie they would had been popular too. In other words if Wendy and Lisa were NOT in Purple Rain, the movie and soundtrack would still be popular. Sorry but that is the truth.

I love Wendy and Lisa and had been a fan of theirs for the last twenty years and I even talk to them couple times via twitter but some W&L fans need to stop changing history about events.

during the Controversy on up years Prince was using Lisa Coleman and Dez alot in the creative process. the writing of actual songs is not up for aruement. There are songs that Prince wrote all by himself and songs that 1 or more persons added input.

the musical process though, Prince had a lot of creative input from others. If I create a music chord for a song during a rehearsal or jam session and someone else takes it and uses it, who actually created it? That happened a lot with Prince and his early band(s)

It is obvious that Prince listened to Wendy Lisa Susannah Sheila E a lot (he was more 'comfortable') after a certain period with women.

No it's not the truth. Your saying the music would have been the same if someone else was in the band and that's far from the truth. That is Wendy's chords starting with the opening of Purple Rain & Computer Blue, if it was Stef from Sheila E's band it would not be the same song or noth even created. Even the opening line Wendy? Yes Lisa... they came up with. So that in itself would not be if Dez and Gayle were there. Everyone is a unique individual, they bring something different to the table. According to Lisa Coleman a lot of the Purple Rain sessions music was created with the Revolution working it out in the Warehouse and all night creative sessions, people adding there own piece.

You misread some of my post all I am saying that despite Wendy and Lisa always have a place in the Purple Rain era but Purple Rain was likely going to be successful with or without them due to his star status and majority of the PR album was done by him the final product. That is the truth.

As far as Computer Blue you are making a big deal off their contribution than what it is but I do understand they were mad at not getting the deserved co-writing with Purple Rain (yes I remember all the madness back in 1998 on Google Group how Prince taunted them with that Lendy/Wisa cryptic on his official website after that interview they made). What is funny is they play Purple Rain, Mountains, Sometimes it Snow In April in their past concerts indicate they heavily co-wrote those songs yet those songs other than PR werent popular hits nor made Prince popular. And just because a bandmember came with a chord Prince could use that influence and create into his sound, so that is much debate if he did was stealing or influence. But all musicians influence each other Im a creative artist myself so I know. It just like if I get a storyline idea from an author about aliens invaded at the high school and young female teen is the focus then I use that idea by changing the plot of aliens invade some middle school by changing the city but the plot involves some young girl and her friend should I get that author that co writing credit when I just was influence by the idea? But some fans acting like Prince influence is stealing or indicate he is incapible making great music without so and so help him out.