DesireeNevermind said:

SUPRMAN said:

Overseers were not entrusted with "upholding the law."

They supervised workers.

They were entrusted with upholding the slave master's law. His laws about labor, punishment if the slave disobeyed, his laws about humane or inhumane treatment. Laws are not strictly about what a judiciary body enforces. Hell...ever heard of law of the jungle? Employment/Labor law? Parental law? Jeez Sup must you always be so literal? Tomato...Tomata!

Did the slave master's "law" differ from the laws of the state or the nation?

And no laws are not strictly about what a judiciary body enforces.

Parental law? Do parents have "laws?"

Slave master's had authority over their property, but all authority is not law as you pointed out.

Ottensen said:

tinaz said:

I third that motion.

I don't see what part of you don't put your hands on a cop that people just don't understand

Some people have no respect for the law or police officers. I think it's a disgrace.

DesireeNevermind said:

RenHoek said:

ummm. there are two girls... the original jaywalker wearing blue and her dumb friend wearing pink... girl in pink tried to get between girl in blue and the cop, you DON'T DO THAT!!

In the eyes of the law that's assault... you don't touch a cop EVER!

However, even with all this laid out, I would LOVE to see the 10mins. prior to the girl in blue getting restrained to see exactly what she did/said that would cause the cop to do what he did.

Why? So a cop can put his hands all over you and assault you and you're not supposed to defend yourself...just stand there like a slave ass idiot and take it? What if the girl in the pink saw something inappropriate and wanted to defend the girl in blue? The girl in blue is the younger of the two right? What if the girl in blue was pregnant or something? My point is...people should obey the law but the law is there to protect them not harm them. Cops are not Gods and they should not have freedom to act however they want and use force as a first result and especially assault teens and women. I too would like to see all moments leading up to the handcuffing, squabbling and punch in the face. It's just hard to believe that these girls would wild out for no reason. Hopefully the girl who got hit was not hurt too badly. Seattle is bullshit though. Lots' of black folk there are poor and cops don't respect them there anyway.

Why?!!!!!! Because it's called resisting arrest. My god people!!!!

dseann said:

MuaPetahl said:

Oh please... what did she think was going to happen interferring like that? Even her boyfriend had the good sense to try to hold her back. Her getting hit (ONE TIME) for it is completely justified - she assaulted him FIRST, he did what was needed to maintain control of the situation.

For all those who say "fuck the police", keep that statement in mind if you're ever in need of them and forget dialing 9-1-1, just suck it up and deal by yourselves BIOTCHES!

Fuck The Police! Never in my life have I called the cops for anything. I don't want them around me in any capacity. They are the scum of the earth and untrustworthy. Fuck 'em. I deal with my problems in my own way. Again ... Fuck The Police.

P.S. The cop in the video needs to be "hit" and not with a fist or a bat. I mean he should be "whacked". Street justice is what he deserves. Fucking coward!

Please don't ever become my neighbor. Thanks!

GetAwayFromMe said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Why? So a cop can put his hands all over you and assault you and you're not supposed to defend yourself...just stand there like a slave ass idiot and take it? What if the girl in the pink saw something inappropriate and wanted to defend the girl in blue? The girl in blue is the younger of the two right? What if the girl in blue was pregnant or something? My point is...people should obey the law but the law is there to protect them not harm them. Cops are not Gods and they should not have freedom to act however they want and use force as a first result and especially assault teens and women. I too would like to see all moments leading up to the handcuffing, squabbling and punch in the face. It's just hard to believe that these girls would wild out for no reason. Hopefully the girl who got hit was not hurt too badly. Seattle is bullshit though. Lots' of black folk there are poor and cops don't respect them there anyway.

Why?!!!!!! Because it's called resisting arrest. My god people!!!!

So now she was being arrested for a jaywalking ticket? Please. Like I said...it would be interesting to see the 10 minutes leading up to the cop even feeling he needed to put his hands on her and "arrest" her as you say. What did she do? Call him a name? Say "I aint payin' shit"?

I think his pride came into play big time. Some cops just think society is supposed to kiss their ass cuz they've got a gun and a badge. Fuck that shit. You respect me cuz I pay your fucking salary and I will respect you.

As for that girl....her parents should be whupping on her not the ticket writing cop.

DesireeNevermind said:

GetAwayFromMe said:

Why?!!!!!! Because it's called resisting arrest. My god people!!!!

So now she was being arrested for a jaywalking ticket? Please. Like I said...it would be interesting to see the 10 minutes leading up to the cop even feeling he needed to put his hands on her and "arrest" her as you say. What did she do? Call him a name? Say "I aint payin' shit"?

I think his pride came into play big time. Some cops just think society is supposed to kiss their ass cuz they've got a gun and a badge. Fuck that shit. You respect me cuz I pay your fucking salary and I will respect you.

As for that girl....her parents should be whupping on her not the ticket writing cop.

she was stoped/detained for jay walking, she very esculated it by refusing to stop and was arrested for refusal to stop/evading/resisting arrest. If a cop tried to pull over a car for a broken tail light and the car did not stop and was chaced and when caught stoped fought with the cops and then got arrested would you say he was arrested for having a broken tail light or for evading/resisting?

Lets use SOME precpective. The punch had nothing to do with the arrest.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

DesireeNevermind said:

So now she was being arrested for a jaywalking ticket? Please. Like I said...it would be interesting to see the 10 minutes leading up to the cop even feeling he needed to put his hands on her and "arrest" her as you say. What did she do? Call him a name? Say "I aint payin' shit"?

I think his pride came into play big time. Some cops just think society is supposed to kiss their ass cuz they've got a gun and a badge. Fuck that shit. You respect me cuz I pay your fucking salary and I will respect you.

As for that girl....her parents should be whupping on her not the ticket writing cop.

she was stoped/detained for jay walking, she very esculated it by refusing to stop and was arrested for refusal to stop/evading/resisting arrest. If a cop tried to pull over a car for a broken tail light and the car did not stop and was chaced and when caught stoped fought with the cops and then got arrested would you say he was arrested for having a broken tail light or for evading/resisting?

Lets use SOME precpective. The punch had nothing to do with the arrest.

Ok the problem I have with this is twofold:

#1 I've not seen in any of the reports on this incident that the cop had to chase her nor have I seen in what way he tried to get her attention to stop. So we can't assume that he had to run her down and then she started wailing on him.

#2 It's fucking jaywalking. There are two violations that are hardly enforced here on the west coast and probably other states: jaywalking and littering. So again....why all of a sudden does this kid need to be detained in some way. Why wouldn't she think the cop was being a prick?

Again...the punch was totally unnecessary. If the punch had nothing to do with the arrest then what did it have to do with? Race? Sex? He punched her square in the face. He could have stunned her, he could have tripped her or like other say...he could have just called for back up.

Too many people have been seriously injured or even died while in police custody. This guy gets no free pass.

DesireeNevermind said:

Ok the problem I have with this is twofold:

#1 I've not seen in any of the reports on this incident that the cop had to chase her nor have I seen in what way he tried to get her attention to stop. So we can't assume that he had to run her down and then she started wailing on him.

Something lead to multiple cameras being deployed.

#2 It's fucking jaywalking. There are two violations that are hardly enforced here on the west coast and probably other states: jaywalking and littering. So again....why all of a sudden does this kid need to be detained in some way. Why wouldn't she think the cop was being a prick?

I think Seattle is an exception. But so what if it was? Resisting arrest is almost always enforced.

Again...the punch was totally unnecessary. If the punch had nothing to do with the arrest then what did it have to do with? Race? Sex? He punched her square in the face. He could have stunned her, he could have tripped her or like other say...he could have just called for back up.

I agree. The PUNCH has zero to do with the arrest. The got arrested for resisting. We saw them both resisting before the punch.

Too many people have been seriously injured or even died while in police custody. This guy gets no free pass.

Well ONE it too many. I bet more have died due to jaywalking!

DesireeNevermind said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

she was stoped/detained for jay walking, she very esculated it by refusing to stop and was arrested for refusal to stop/evading/resisting arrest. If a cop tried to pull over a car for a broken tail light and the car did not stop and was chaced and when caught stoped fought with the cops and then got arrested would you say he was arrested for having a broken tail light or for evading/resisting?

Lets use SOME precpective. The punch had nothing to do with the arrest.

Ok the problem I have with this is twofold:

#1 I've not seen in any of the reports on this incident that the cop had to chase her nor have I seen in what way he tried to get her attention to stop. So we can't assume that he had to run her down and then she started wailing on him.

#2 It's fucking jaywalking. There are two violations that are hardly enforced here on the west coast and probably other states: jaywalking and littering. So again....why all of a sudden does this kid need to be detained in some way. Why wouldn't she think the cop was being a prick?

Again...the punch was totally unnecessary. If the punch had nothing to do with the arrest then what did it have to do with? Race? Sex? He punched her square in the face. He could have stunned her, he could have tripped her or like other say...he could have just called for back up.

Too many people have been seriously injured or even died while in police custody. This guy gets no free pass.

Why wouldn't she realize SHE was being a prick?

(I guess that's just hating on women . . . )

He's stopping you for what you know is a legal violation.

If you accept the citation, as most people do, this isn't even a story.

The punch probably was unnecessary, but it's not like the cop chose someone at random to assault.

All this talk about calling for back up . . . . by the time back up arrives, she is long gone.

Is a cop really supposed to just back off and lie down at any sign of resistance?

Let the punk police patrol your neighborhood . . . .

SUPRMAN said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Ok the problem I have with this is twofold:

#1 I've not seen in any of the reports on this incident that the cop had to chase her nor have I seen in what way he tried to get her attention to stop. So we can't assume that he had to run her down and then she started wailing on him.

#2 It's fucking jaywalking. There are two violations that are hardly enforced here on the west coast and probably other states: jaywalking and littering. So again....why all of a sudden does this kid need to be detained in some way. Why wouldn't she think the cop was being a prick?

Again...the punch was totally unnecessary. If the punch had nothing to do with the arrest then what did it have to do with? Race? Sex? He punched her square in the face. He could have stunned her, he could have tripped her or like other say...he could have just called for back up.

Too many people have been seriously injured or even died while in police custody. This guy gets no free pass.

Why wouldn't she realize SHE was being a prick?

(I guess that's just hating on women . . . )

He's stopping you for what you know is a legal violation.

If you accept the citation, as most people do, this isn't even a story.

The punch probably was unnecessary, but it's not like the cop chose someone at random to assault.

All this talk about calling for back up . . . . by the time back up arrives, she is long gone.

Is a cop really supposed to just back off and lie down at any sign of resistance?

Let the punk police patrol your neighborhood . . . .

you knowwhat you sould call a cop that is being a prick?

SIR!

Unless you want them to abuse their power.

SUPRMAN said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Ok the problem I have with this is twofold:

#1 I've not seen in any of the reports on this incident that the cop had to chase her nor have I seen in what way he tried to get her attention to stop. So we can't assume that he had to run her down and then she started wailing on him.

#2 It's fucking jaywalking. There are two violations that are hardly enforced here on the west coast and probably other states: jaywalking and littering. So again....why all of a sudden does this kid need to be detained in some way. Why wouldn't she think the cop was being a prick?

Again...the punch was totally unnecessary. If the punch had nothing to do with the arrest then what did it have to do with? Race? Sex? He punched her square in the face. He could have stunned her, he could have tripped her or like other say...he could have just called for back up.

Too many people have been seriously injured or even died while in police custody. This guy gets no free pass.

Why wouldn't she realize SHE was being a prick?

(I guess that's just hating on women . . . )

He's stopping you for what you know is a legal violation.

If you accept the citation, as most people do, this isn't even a story.

The punch probably was unnecessary, but it's not like the cop chose someone at random to assault.

All this talk about calling for back up . . . . by the time back up arrives, she is long gone.

Is a cop really supposed to just back off and lie down at any sign of resistance?

Let the punk police patrol your neighborhood . . . .

She's a teenager not an adult going to law school.

The punch was unneccesarry plain and simple. Doesn't matter if the victim is random or selected by age/race/sex/attitude. Just cuz she's squirming like a aggravated 2 year old doesn't mean you punch her in the face.

Why would she be long gone? Dude already had her in hand cuffs. He didn't seem to have a problem getting her restrained to that degree.

A cop shouldn't encourage resistance.

I already have punk police patrolling my neighbhorhood. Wednesdays are poker night.

I seen this like last week. I haven't read through all the comments so I'm not sure if the whole story is out. But yeah, I know some of you stated that it was because of jaywalking. Initially the officer just went to give them some kind of a warning about it. Then they started getting out of hand, and I imagine they were swearing at him a lot as well. That's when he tried to arrest the one female. The video shows the rest.

Although I don't agree with punching her, they also shouldn't have did the things they did as well?

Oh and I HIGHLY doubt they were teenagers. I mean look at them. Do they look like teenagers?

LayzieKrayzie said:

Oh and I HIGHLY doubt they were teenagers. I mean look at them. Do they look like teenagers?

Yes they actually do. Have you visited a high school lately?

My 15yr old neice is 5'10" and the average teen girl her age is 5'7" tall.

[Edited 6/22/10 20:29pm]

SUPRMAN said:

dseann said:

How many teen-agers do you know who understand what constitutes "jaywalking"?

Any typical hormone imbalanced teenager is going to get upset with some fucking cop arresting them or citing them for "jaywalking". That's what I'm saying. Remember, this same offense is what started Tupac's war with law enforcement(He was never in trouble with the law until the beat the shit out of him in NYC trying to cite him). They seem to use it as an excuse to "take down" anyone on the street they take exception to.

That is not an excuse for violating the law.

You seem to suggest that teens should be allowed to violate the law because of hormones?!!!

That makes no sense.

Would you want to see a 16 year old murderer go unpunished using your rationale?!!!!

It's no excuse for violating the law but it does explain a teen-agers reaction to being cited for something they don't understand. Why couldn't the coward explain what the offense was to the child? I thought a cops main job was to be, first, a deterrent to crime. In the neighborhoods of minorities, they seem to stand and watch crimes being committed, then move in and arrest the offending party. That's bullshit.

And, I am not an anarchist, no murderer should go unpunished regardless of age. I seriously hope you're not trying to class jaywalking with murder. Come on!

What's amazing is that Tupac Shakur's criminal record started with jaywalking and he was beaten so badly he wound up in the hospital. This child gets a physically fit, full grown man's fist in her face for jaywalking yet Scott Peterson is allowed to walk into the precinct as cool as a cucumber with his lawyer, surrendering without incident for the same "murder" you mentioned.

It might be easier on an offender's health if he committed murder than if he jaywalked. What a country.

SUPRMAN said:

dseann said:

Doesn't make "your cousin's" stereotype justifiable but surely understandable.

I've never been arrested or even issued a parking ticket in life, but 99% of the cops I've ever encountered or seen deal with people are assholes like this coward in the video. I'm not asking you to agree with my opinion here in any way. I don't want any fucking cop around me in any capacity. They are(to me) the scum of the earth. If I saw on walking down the highway on fire on a rainy day, I wouldn't run my car over a puddle to put the fire out.

But yet you still rely on them to do their job to help improve your life.

if someone violated your rights or property, you would expect the cops to do their job regardless of how you generally feel and you would not expect them to take your feeling regarding law enforcement into account I'm guessing.

I stated before(read my previous posts), if someone violates me or my property(and it has happened), I have never and will never call the cops. I have dealt and will deal with it on my own terms. I don't want them(pigs) anywhere near me or mine.

dseann said:

SUPRMAN said:

That is not an excuse for violating the law.

You seem to suggest that teens should be allowed to violate the law because of hormones?!!!

That makes no sense.

Would you want to see a 16 year old murderer go unpunished using your rationale?!!!!

It's no excuse for violating the law but it does explain a teen-agers reaction to being cited for something they don't understand. Why couldn't the coward explain what the offense was to the child? I thought a cops main job was to be, first, a deterrent to crime. In the neighborhoods of minorities, they seem to stand and watch crimes being committed, then move in and arrest the offending party. That's bullshit.

And, I am not an anarchist, no murderer should go unpunished regardless of age. I seriously hope you're not trying to class jaywalking with murder. Come on!

What's amazing is that Tupac Shakur's criminal record started with jaywalking and he was beaten so badly he wound up in the hospital. This child gets a physically fit, full grown man's fist in her face for jaywalking yet Scott Peterson is allowed to walk into the precinct as cool as a cucumber with his lawyer, surrendering without incident for the same "murder" you mentioned.

It might be easier on an offender's health if he committed murder than if he jaywalked. What a country.

My mom always told me that if I were to commit a crime, make sure that it is big... I am almost 43 years old and it took me a while to figure out was constitutes, Jaywalking. It does seem that bigger crimes go over much easier in some instances, than petty one's.

GetAwayFromMe said:

dseann said:

Fuck The Police! Never in my life have I called the cops for anything. I don't want them around me in any capacity. They are the scum of the earth and untrustworthy. Fuck 'em. I deal with my problems in my own way. Again ... Fuck The Police.

P.S. The cop in the video needs to be "hit" and not with a fist or a bat. I mean he should be "whacked". Street justice is what he deserves. Fucking coward!

Please don't ever become my neighbor. Thanks!

Shiiiiiit! We might already be neighbors and don't know it.

LayzieKrayzie said:

Oh and I HIGHLY doubt they were teenagers. I mean look at them. Do they look like teenagers?

So Lawrence Taylor can use your lame ass excuse the his alleged rape victim wasn't a teenager because she didn't look like one? Where are you going with this?

shorttrini said:

dseann said:

It's no excuse for violating the law but it does explain a teen-agers reaction to being cited for something they don't understand. Why couldn't the coward explain what the offense was to the child? I thought a cops main job was to be, first, a deterrent to crime. In the neighborhoods of minorities, they seem to stand and watch crimes being committed, then move in and arrest the offending party. That's bullshit.

And, I am not an anarchist, no murderer should go unpunished regardless of age. I seriously hope you're not trying to class jaywalking with murder. Come on!

What's amazing is that Tupac Shakur's criminal record started with jaywalking and he was beaten so badly he wound up in the hospital. This child gets a physically fit, full grown man's fist in her face for jaywalking yet Scott Peterson is allowed to walk into the precinct as cool as a cucumber with his lawyer, surrendering without incident for the same "murder" you mentioned.

It might be easier on an offender's health if he committed murder than if he jaywalked. What a country.

My mom always told me that if I were to commit a crime, make sure that it is big... I am almost 43 years old and it took me a while to figure out was constitutes, Jaywalking. It does seem that bigger crimes go over much easier in some instances, than petty one's.

Everyone's ignoring the elephant sitting in the room here. There's a racial under-toe that no one's addressing directly. Once you're a so called minority, regardless of age or gender, whatever the cops dish out to you, the so called majority thinks you deserve it. When if the offenders races were reversed, then the so called majority would demand that the offender be considered innocent until proven guilty and allowed to live with dignity until the court date. That's what I'm getting at. Trini if you commit a big crime, chances are that you won't live to see a trial, so like me, avoid committing crimes at all costs.

dseann said:

shorttrini said:

My mom always told me that if I were to commit a crime, make sure that it is big... I am almost 43 years old and it took me a while to figure out was constitutes, Jaywalking. It does seem that bigger crimes go over much easier in some instances, than petty one's.

Everyone's ignoring the elephant sitting in the room here. There's a racial under-toe that no one's addressing directly. Once you're a so called minority, regardless of age or gender, whatever the cops dish out to you, the so called majority thinks you deserve it. When if the offenders races were reversed, then the so called majority would demand that the offender be considered innocent until proven guilty and allowed to live with dignity until the court date. That's what I'm getting at. Trini if you commit a big crime, chances are that you won't live to see a trial, so like me, avoid committing crimes at all costs.

But it always seems like the minority gets the stiffer penalty for the petty crimes. This is something that has been going on for ages.

shorttrini said:

dseann said:

Everyone's ignoring the elephant sitting in the room here. There's a racial under-toe that no one's addressing directly. Once you're a so called minority, regardless of age or gender, whatever the cops dish out to you, the so called majority thinks you deserve it. When if the offenders races were reversed, then the so called majority would demand that the offender be considered innocent until proven guilty and allowed to live with dignity until the court date. That's what I'm getting at. Trini if you commit a big crime, chances are that you won't live to see a trial, so like me, avoid committing crimes at all costs.

But it always seems like the minority gets the stiffer penalty for the petty crimes. This is something that has been going on for ages.

True dat.

dseann said:

shorttrini said:

But it always seems like the minority gets the stiffer penalty for the petty crimes. This is something that has been going on for ages.

True dat.

I mean yes, she was wrong. But, we are talking about Jwalking. It seems to me that when a city starts giving out tickets for such "crimes", it is their way of making money. They will pick on the person, whom is least likely to know about the law, this makes it easier for the law to be enforced and harder for the person that committed the crime to dispute it. In terms of blame, I think that there is plenty of blame to go around. Most of it has to go to the people who are the committing these crimes. We need to educate oursevles on such offenses and go to town meetings to make sure that the people who are elected and hired to uphold the law, do so, within the limits of it. However, most people, really don't give two shits and are quick to say that, this person deserved what they got, just because it was the "Law". I am not suggesting that we all go out and cause chaos, but we have the right to question why certain things are they way they are. Again, most people just take for granted that it is the "law" and that is that. To me, that is just as bad as breaking the law.

shorttrini said:

dseann said:

True dat.

I mean yes, she was wrong. But, we are talking about Jwalking. It seems to me that when a city starts giving out tickets for such "crimes", it is their way of making money. They will pick on the person, whom is least likely to know about the law, this makes it easier for the law to be enforced and harder for the person that committed the crime to dispute it. In terms of blame, I think that there is plenty of blame to go around. Most of it has to go to the people who are the committing these crimes. We need to educate oursevles on such offenses and go to town meetings to make sure that the people who are elected and hired to uphold the law, do so, within the limits of it. However, most people, really don't give two shits and are quick to say that, this person deserved what they got, just because it was the "Law". I am not suggesting that we all go out and cause chaos, but we have the right to question why certain things are they way they are. Again, most people just take for granted that it is the "law" and that is that. To me, that is just as bad as breaking the law.

Again I agree with you. Like I said to Suprman, I'm no anarchist, I'll never be an advocate for anyone ignoring the laws of the land. But in this case, "jaywalking" I can't side with law, especially with the coward who represented the law. It's like the police I encounter in Antigua, idiots with no middle ground or comprehension of the term "common sense". It's like, they're the ones with the authority so their attitude is "look at me, I'm wearing the uniform... I can take you to jail...fear me and do as I say or else...". Bullshit! Total bullshit!

dseann said:

shorttrini said:

I mean yes, she was wrong. But, we are talking about Jwalking. It seems to me that when a city starts giving out tickets for such "crimes", it is their way of making money. They will pick on the person, whom is least likely to know about the law, this makes it easier for the law to be enforced and harder for the person that committed the crime to dispute it. In terms of blame, I think that there is plenty of blame to go around. Most of it has to go to the people who are the committing these crimes. We need to educate oursevles on such offenses and go to town meetings to make sure that the people who are elected and hired to uphold the law, do so, within the limits of it. However, most people, really don't give two shits and are quick to say that, this person deserved what they got, just because it was the "Law". I am not suggesting that we all go out and cause chaos, but we have the right to question why certain things are they way they are. Again, most people just take for granted that it is the "law" and that is that. To me, that is just as bad as breaking the law.

Again I agree with you. Like I said to Suprman, I'm no anarchist, I'll never be an advocate for anyone ignoring the laws of the land. But in this case, "jaywalking" I can't side with law, especially with the coward who represented the law. It's like the police I encounter in Antigua, idiots with no middle ground or comprehension of the term "common sense". It's like, they're the ones with the authority so their attitude is "look at me, I'm wearing the uniform... I can take you to jail...fear me and do as I say or else...". Bullshit! Total bullshit!

It's what i've been saying all along Dseann but it's been falling on deaf ears.

Your post here is the best post i've read on this topic up to this point.

phunkdaddy said:

dseann said:

Again I agree with you. Like I said to Suprman, I'm no anarchist, I'll never be an advocate for anyone ignoring the laws of the land. But in this case, "jaywalking" I can't side with law, especially with the coward who represented the law. It's like the police I encounter in Antigua, idiots with no middle ground or comprehension of the term "common sense". It's like, they're the ones with the authority so their attitude is "look at me, I'm wearing the uniform... I can take you to jail...fear me and do as I say or else...". Bullshit! Total bullshit!

It's what i've been saying all along Dseann but it's been falling on deaf ears.

Your post here is the best post i've read on this topic up to this point.

Thank you.

shorttrini said:

I mean yes, she was wrong. But, we are talking about Jwalking. It seems to me that when a city starts giving out tickets for such "crimes", it is their way of making money. They will pick on the person, whom is least likely to know about the law, this makes it easier for the law to be enforced and harder for the person that committed the crime to dispute it. In terms of blame, I think that there is plenty of blame to go around. Most of it has to go to the people who are the committing these crimes. We need to educate oursevles on such offenses and go to town meetings to make sure that the people who are elected and hired to uphold the law, do so, within the limits of it. However, most people, really don't give two shits and are quick to say that, this person deserved what they got, just because it was the "Law". I am not suggesting that we all go out and cause chaos, but we have the right to question why certain things are they way they are. Again, most people just take for granted that it is the "law" and that is that. To me, that is just as bad as breaking the law.

I agree with above statement except the making money off jay walking is the only thing I'd question (cue the statistics). Although, Seattle has a high number of pedestrians being hit by cars. Not to mention the pedestrians killed by cars. I think Seattle as other cities are using cameras at intersections to make their money (for speeding and running red lights)

kewlschool said:

shorttrini said:

I mean yes, she was wrong. But, we are talking about Jwalking. It seems to me that when a city starts giving out tickets for such "crimes", it is their way of making money. They will pick on the person, whom is least likely to know about the law, this makes it easier for the law to be enforced and harder for the person that committed the crime to dispute it. In terms of blame, I think that there is plenty of blame to go around. Most of it has to go to the people who are the committing these crimes. We need to educate oursevles on such offenses and go to town meetings to make sure that the people who are elected and hired to uphold the law, do so, within the limits of it. However, most people, really don't give two shits and are quick to say that, this person deserved what they got, just because it was the "Law". I am not suggesting that we all go out and cause chaos, but we have the right to question why certain things are they way they are. Again, most people just take for granted that it is the "law" and that is that. To me, that is just as bad as breaking the law.

I agree with above statement except the making money off jay walking is the only thing I'd question (cue the statistics). Although, Seattle has a high number of pedestrians being hit by cars. Not to mention the pedestrians killed by cars. I think Seattle as other cities are using cameras at intersections to make their money (for speeding and running red lights)

Well unlike Seattle, here in NYC they are always crying that they are losing money and I personally think that they come up with little things such as ticket blitzing to bring in extra revenue. I myself have fallen victim to it. A few months ago, I had my car parked legally in a disabled parking space, I have the tags in the window as well as a license plate with the disabled symbol on it. I got a ticket due to a clear plastic covering that was over my plate. Mind you, this is a clear piece of plastic that is not obstucting any of the number on the plate nor, the symbol or the state of the plate. When I asked the officer why he was giving me a ticket, he say that I am not supposed to have anything obstucting my plates? I was like !! This ticket was $150 bucks!! I have come to the conclusion that NYC will do anything to make a buck.

Another square-jawed white cop brutalizing a black person...how surprising...

my god, some people will never learn

personally I'd like to see more jaywalking tickets handed out. Here in Oakland/Berkeley t is totally out of hand, people don't even look before they wander into a crowded street.