I find it very interesting that 2 of the video in the O.P. have since been removed.

Figures.

Xibalba said:

I find it very interesting that 2 of the video in the O.P. have since been removed.

Figures.

I doubt it is a conspiracy but more likely just a run of the mill copyright claim. It is a violation to capture and post a news report.

^where does it state that ?

Dewrede said:

^where does it state that ?

where does what state what?

the law? or youtube? Pretty much there are 3 ways to get a video taken off youtube. Copyright or obscenity, or the video is a violation of the law. It was not obscene it was not a crime the only thing left is copyright.

As the video is wide spread it is not some political conspiracy.

shorttrini said:

Again, here is another case of police using the law to their own liking.

A few questions....

1. Where was backup?

2. If backup was called, he should specified a female officer.

3. Instead of being punched, why wasn't she maced.

4. Finally, all this for Jaywalking?

The officer's life was not in danger, that so-called "shove", did not seem to hurt the officer. To many cops are being trained for confrontation, instead of assessing the situation first. All this was for jaywalking....

Thank you!

He acted as some average Joe on the street. He's a police officer and they are supposed to be trained professionals. He totally avoided all the steps he was supposed to take prior to a "hands-on" approach. He could have maced her/them first, placed them in cuffs and called for backup. By him punching her...he could have created an even worse situation had that crown jumped beat the living shit outta his cowardly ass.

whodknee said:

phunkdaddy said:

All this for jaywalking.

Take a bow police officer. You must feel like a real man.

I wonder if the people here defending this shit would feel

the same if it was their mother or sister this was happening too.

The punch was for grabbing the cop. My mom and sister would have more sense than to put their hands on a cop. So there would be nothing to defend.

It really doesn't make any difference whether your mother or sister have more sense or not, stuff like this(and worse) happen to MANY law abiding citizens,,,and unfortunately for them, there wasn't no camera, so their fate was def worse.

The cop initiated the violence first over "jaywalking" when he yanked the other girl, something that could've been avoided altogether,,,,,and impulse reaction will dictate your judgement when somebody else violate the rights of your loved ones, common sense or not, that will be thrown out of the window.

Dewrede said:

BklynBabe said:

? approve of public coonery, or approve of a cop punching a person because of their own public coonery.

We have spent so much time and energy trying to be respected by the police, and to fight intolerance, racism, and violence against minorites...but that does us no good if we continue to go out in public and act the damn fool. Just like chick in McDonald's! If you can't act in some type of respectful way in public, and your behavior is so bad that the cops have to be called on you, and you already know that mixing cops and minorites is never good, then do your part to prevent the escalation of the situation.

As a minority I do my part to minimize cintact with the po-po by obeying the law (or by not getting caught too often) and if I do have an encounter with law enforcement I keep it respectful on my end. So at least I knw if I do get beat down and have to sue, the record will show it was not my own public coonery that was the problem.

There's no reason to be throwing food, jaywalking, drinking, drugging, speeding, shooting and other coonery behaviors like being loud and acting ignant to the point where cops need to be around you or put their hands on you or feel like they have to punch you or even tase and shoot you.

it's not an excuse for a police officer to punch a girl in the face , ever

[Edited 6/20/10 14:05pm]

I already said he was wrong to punch her in the face.

But at the same token, people need to stop the stupid shit too.

calling for back up is more of a department policy not a legal requirement.

[Edited 6/20/10 16:25pm]

shorttrini said:

bigwillpreacher said:

O.k. let's run with this scenario,...cop calls for more backup and then what do you expect to happen? Same thing people always say, "You mean it takes 15 cops to handle a jay walking ticket for two minors? Don't they have more to do like catch child molesters, drug dealers, murderers, etc. *end of quote.*

Law enforcement are trained about their legal rights as police officers on how to engage the public on either an arrest or detaining procedures. Because of cases like this one,...they are trained that a simple infraction can turn ugly & to expect the unexpected. Now take the bottom statement, and replace the word "cops" with the word "private citizens" and you will understand a police officer's point of view.

"That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this."

Okay, Bigwill, let's run with your scenario, now. A smart officer would have assesed the situation and made the proper call for backup. By proper I mean, he would have specified that this is a simple jay-walking incident, that invovled to females. Had this been done, there would no misunderstanding and no need for the SWAT team. This is also a good example of why sensitivity training is needed in the police force. Some blacks feel threatened by police officers, especially white one's. More training needs to be given to these officers, so situations like this, can be avoided. Frankly, a black female officer, should have been choosen as one of the backup officers. The result might have been the same, but you never know.

[Edited 6/20/10 8:14am]

Well shorttrini,...I think both you and I grew up old skool. We both know that police can sometimes abuse their authority. But let's be real,...the underlining element is not how much sensitivity training an officer gets...but how much home training we as parents give our children about respecting a person of authority. What do you think your parents would have done to you or your siblings for talking back and putting your hands on them? I know some people on this forum are not comfortable with what they see...I certainly am not! Nevertheless, let's respect authority folks. If you don't approve of their actions, you can have your day in court!

bigwillpreacher said:

shorttrini said:

Okay, Bigwill, let's run with your scenario, now. A smart officer would have assesed the situation and made the proper call for backup. By proper I mean, he would have specified that this is a simple jay-walking incident, that invovled to females. Had this been done, there would no misunderstanding and no need for the SWAT team. This is also a good example of why sensitivity training is needed in the police force. Some blacks feel threatened by police officers, especially white one's. More training needs to be given to these officers, so situations like this, can be avoided. Frankly, a black female officer, should have been choosen as one of the backup officers. The result might have been the same, but you never know.

[Edited 6/20/10 8:14am]

Well shorttrini,...I think both you and I grew up old skool. We both know that police can sometimes abuse their authority. But let's be real,...the underlining element is not how much sensitivity training an officer gets...but how much home training we as parents give our children about respecting a person of authority. What do you think your parents would have done to you or your siblings for talking back and putting your hands on them? I know some people on this forum are not comfortable with what they see...I certainly am not! Nevertheless, let's respect authority folks. If you don't approve of their actions, you can have your day in court!

If authority is making a habbit out of bullying me and mine, how the hell could I respect it?

I'm not saying the girls were in the right, but it certainly could've been handled better and waaay more drama-free.

i'd be morally right to stand up to a gangster if he tried to rob me. i'd also be suicidally stupid, too.

don't swing on cops, folks.

Harlepolis said:

bigwillpreacher said:

Well shorttrini,...I think both you and I grew up old skool. We both know that police can sometimes abuse their authority. But let's be real,...the underlining element is not how much sensitivity training an officer gets...but how much home training we as parents give our children about respecting a person of authority. What do you think your parents would have done to you or your siblings for talking back and putting your hands on them? I know some people on this forum are not comfortable with what they see...I certainly am not! Nevertheless, let's respect authority folks. If you don't approve of their actions, you can have your day in court!

If authority is making a habbit out of bullying me and mine, how the hell could I respect it?

I'm not saying the girls were in the right, but it certainly could've been handled better and waaay more drama-free.

Harlepolis said:

bigwillpreacher said:

Well shorttrini,...I think both you and I grew up old skool. We both know that police can sometimes abuse their authority. But let's be real,...the underlining element is not how much sensitivity training an officer gets...but how much home training we as parents give our children about respecting a person of authority. What do you think your parents would have done to you or your siblings for talking back and putting your hands on them? I know some people on this forum are not comfortable with what they see...I certainly am not! Nevertheless, let's respect authority folks. If you don't approve of their actions, you can have your day in court!

If authority is making a habbit out of bullying me and mine, how the hell could I respect it?

I'm not saying the girls were in the right, but it certainly could've been handled better and waaay more drama-free.

I can't find anyone in this drama fest that isn't a bully. Remember the initial report says that the girl was arrested last year for punching a 15-year-old boy in the face while she and a group of youths were on their way to a rave in South Seattle last Aug. 28.

All I'm saying is if you don't respect people that have a habit of bullying...you surely believe that the bullying of this young lady came full circle this time.

RenHoek said:

DesireeNevermind said:

People keep saying she assualted this cop. Um...I don't see that. What I see is a girl trying to defend herself against some man putting his hands all over her and trying to twist her arm like a pretzel and forcing her face down on the hood of his car. Yeah this is a bit much over a jaywalking ticket but I get that many U.S. cities are strapped for cash so ticket writing even for the dumbest of things is another attempt at collecting revenue.

I'm more irked at the all the observers....they could have all bumrushed that fool ass cop or they could have called additional police. This cavalier attitude that cops are always right no matter what is why so many people get beaten up and killed by cops with hardly any cops going to prison. It's like that poor guy ( NY I think it was) who got shot to death the day before his wedding when he wasn't even the suspect the cops were looking for. Or that little girl that got shot when the cops bumrushed a house looking for some drug dealer. Why are these cops so quick to react violently. Is it worth it to punch a girl in the face all because she's cussing you out? Really....you've got nothing better to do such as...I dunno....beat down some child molesters, go after some drunk drivers, patrol some gang invested neighborhoods?

I'm gonna say it.....I don't think he would have done that to some blonde blue-eyed teen (girl or boy) wearing nice clothes. Shit they could have jaywalked right in front his car and probably would have just yelled "get out of the street". They always have to go the extra mile over these minority kids.

ummm. there are two girls... the original jaywalker wearing blue and her dumb friend wearing pink... girl in pink tried to get between girl in blue and the cop, you DON'T DO THAT!!

In the eyes of the law that's assault... you don't touch a cop EVER!

However, even with all this laid out, I would LOVE to see the 10mins. prior to the girl in blue getting restrained to see exactly what she did/said that would cause the cop to do what he did.

Why? So a cop can put his hands all over you and assault you and you're not supposed to defend yourself...just stand there like a slave ass idiot and take it? What if the girl in the pink saw something inappropriate and wanted to defend the girl in blue? The girl in blue is the younger of the two right? What if the girl in blue was pregnant or something? My point is...people should obey the law but the law is there to protect them not harm them. Cops are not Gods and they should not have freedom to act however they want and use force as a first result and especially assault teens and women. I too would like to see all moments leading up to the handcuffing, squabbling and punch in the face. It's just hard to believe that these girls would wild out for no reason. Hopefully the girl who got hit was not hurt too badly. Seattle is bullshit though. Lots' of black folk there are poor and cops don't respect them there anyway.

It's just hard to believe that these girls would wild out for no reason.

sadly it's not so hard to believe....

angry Black female syndrome-the urge to get ghetto in in 3 seconds for no reason whatsoever....

BklynBabe said:

It's just hard to believe that these girls would wild out for no reason.

sadly it's not so hard to believe....

angry Black female syndrome-the urge to get ghetto in in 3 seconds for no reason whatsoever....

Aw come on B...you don't really believe that do you? I think people confuse defensive black females with angry black females. Who know what those girls have to go through every day at home or in school or just walking down the street. Sometimes black women or women of any ethnicity/race have to be on their guard because some man or even some other female is always trying to fuck with them.

I still feel sorry for them. Even if I find out they were some skippity crack heads on their way to steal some shit at the mall....I will still feel sorry for them because no cop should beat you up over some damn jaywalking. He needs to hit on some of those gun weilding gang bangers...but he won't cuz they will skrait murder his clown ass.

CHIC0 said:

The thing is if I ever get stopped for "jaywalking" I'd probably get punched in the face too. Why the fuck are police still harassing people for "jaywalking" when there are soooo many atrocities occurring in the fucking country?

How is a teenager to react to being cited for fucking "jaywalking"?

Wow!

But to the officer's credit, he was only doing what he was trained to do. Beat the shit out of defenseless teen-aged girls. Him and his academy trainer must be real proud of themselves.

dayum! but probably true as the sky is blue.

MuaPetahl said:

Oh please... what did she think was going to happen interferring like that? Even her boyfriend had the good sense to try to hold her back. Her getting hit (ONE TIME) for it is completely justified - she assaulted him FIRST, he did what was needed to maintain control of the situation.

For all those who say "fuck the police", keep that statement in mind if you're ever in need of them and forget dialing 9-1-1, just suck it up and deal by yourselves BIOTCHES!

Fuck The Police! Never in my life have I called the cops for anything. I don't want them around me in any capacity. They are the scum of the earth and untrustworthy. Fuck 'em. I deal with my problems in my own way. Again ... Fuck The Police.

P.S. The cop in the video needs to be "hit" and not with a fist or a bat. I mean he should be "whacked". Street justice is what he deserves. Fucking coward!

I am curious.... If it were a woman that punched her in the face, same exact circumstances, would ya'll be as upset?

dseann said:

MuaPetahl said:

Oh please... what did she think was going to happen interferring like that? Even her boyfriend had the good sense to try to hold her back. Her getting hit (ONE TIME) for it is completely justified - she assaulted him FIRST, he did what was needed to maintain control of the situation.

For all those who say "fuck the police", keep that statement in mind if you're ever in need of them and forget dialing 9-1-1, just suck it up and deal by yourselves BIOTCHES!

Fuck The Police! Never in my life have I called the cops for anything. I don't want them around me in any capacity. They are the scum of the earth and untrustworthy. Fuck 'em. I deal with my problems in my own way. Again ... Fuck The Police.

P.S. The cop in the video needs to be "hit" and not with a fist or a bat. I mean he should be "whacked". Street justice is what he deserves. Fucking coward!

Angry much?

dseann said:

How is a teenager to react to being cited for fucking "jaywalking"?

Uhm...seriously? Are you really saying that a teenager should get ghetto on a police officer? Would you REALLY do the same under similar circumstances??????

I'd just be interested in knowing (after seeing their disrespect towards the law) how these "fine" young ladies treated their teachers in school.

Harlepolis said:

bigwillpreacher said:

Well shorttrini,...I think both you and I grew up old skool. We both know that police can sometimes abuse their authority. But let's be real,...the underlining element is not how much sensitivity training an officer gets...but how much home training we as parents give our children about respecting a person of authority. What do you think your parents would have done to you or your siblings for talking back and putting your hands on them? I know some people on this forum are not comfortable with what they see...I certainly am not! Nevertheless, let's respect authority folks. If you don't approve of their actions, you can have your day in court!

If authority is making a habbit out of bullying me and mine, how the hell could I respect it?

I'm not saying the girls were in the right, but it certainly could've been handled better and waaay more drama-free.

Preach baby! Fucking preach! I'm with you 100%

tinaz said:

I am curious.... If it were a woman that punched her in the face, same exact circumstances, would ya'll be as upset?

It would still be inappropriate because this is still a jaywalking ticket and the person being cited is a teenager.

What if this were a female cop who punched a handicapped person in the face? We could go on and on with different scenarios and players.

Bottom line is the cop was a douche!

dseann said:

MuaPetahl said:

Oh please... what did she think was going to happen interferring like that? Even her boyfriend had the good sense to try to hold her back. Her getting hit (ONE TIME) for it is completely justified - she assaulted him FIRST, he did what was needed to maintain control of the situation.

For all those who say "fuck the police", keep that statement in mind if you're ever in need of them and forget dialing 9-1-1, just suck it up and deal by yourselves BIOTCHES!

Fuck The Police! Never in my life have I called the cops for anything. I don't want them around me in any capacity. They are the scum of the earth and untrustworthy. Fuck 'em. I deal with my problems in my own way. Again ... Fuck The Police.

P.S. The cop in the video needs to be "hit" and not with a fist or a bat. I mean he should be "whacked". Street justice is what he deserves. Fucking coward!

OK...ignore my last post. I think I know the answer.

For the record, "cops" in general are not the scum of the earth. To generalize like that is as ridiculous as those people that say "my cousin was robbed by a black man, so all black men are thieves." I go through life with people thinking I'm fresh off the boat b/c of my skin color and proficiency with the Spanish language...and yes many of us are illegals but no all. Stereotypes are dangerous.

PurpleJedi said:

dseann said:

How is a teenager to react to being cited for fucking "jaywalking"?

Uhm...seriously? Are you really saying that a teenager should get ghetto on a police officer? Would you REALLY do the same under similar circumstances??????

I'd just be interested in knowing (after seeing their disrespect towards the law) how these "fine" young ladies treated their teachers in school.

How many teen-agers do you know who understand what constitutes "jaywalking"?

Any typical hormone imbalanced teenager is going to get upset with some fucking cop arresting them or citing them for "jaywalking". That's what I'm saying. Remember, this same offense is what started Tupac's war with law enforcement(He was never in trouble with the law until the beat the shit out of him in NYC trying to cite him). They seem to use it as an excuse to "take down" anyone on the street they take exception to.

dseann said:

PurpleJedi said:

Uhm...seriously? Are you really saying that a teenager should get ghetto on a police officer? Would you REALLY do the same under similar circumstances??????

I'd just be interested in knowing (after seeing their disrespect towards the law) how these "fine" young ladies treated their teachers in school.

How many teen-agers do you know who understand what constitutes "jaywalking"?

Any typical hormone imbalanced teenager is going to get upset with some fucking cop arresting them or citing them for "jaywalking". That's what I'm saying. Remember, this same offense is what started Tupac's war with law enforcement(He was never in trouble with the law until the beat the shit out of him in NYC trying to cite him). They seem to use it as an excuse to "take down" anyone on the street they take exception to.

Thisis why we have problems with todays youth because people make excuses for them... I knew what jaywalking was when I was a teen... These are teens living in a BIG city... they know what the hell jaywalking is.... And we also KNEW better than to mouth off to a cop...

DesireeNevermind said:

BklynBabe said:

sadly it's not so hard to believe....

angry Black female syndrome-the urge to get ghetto in in 3 seconds for no reason whatsoever....

Aw come on B...you don't really believe that do you? I think people confuse defensive black females with angry black females. Who know what those girls have to go through every day at home or in school or just walking down the street. Sometimes black women or women of any ethnicity/race have to be on their guard because some man or even some other female is always trying to fuck with them.

I still feel sorry for them. Even if I find out they were some skippity crack heads on their way to steal some shit at the mall....I will still feel sorry for them because no cop should beat you up over some damn jaywalking. He needs to hit on some of those gun weilding gang bangers...but he won't cuz they will skrait murder his clown ass.

I still think he was wrong for the punching, but I think that a lot of Black people tend to unleash their "inner ghetto" a bit too freely in public. I say this a a Black person. I get a bit tired of seeing Black people doing coon behavior and justifying their wrongdoing. I think sometimes we put that extra drama in a situation when it is uncalled for, like we think it's cute or something and then we wonder why we get hurt and whatnot. When they could have let that play out and then sued and got paid for the officer doing wrong.... If it was just "we jaywalking and then officer got all violent for no reason" they would have had a good case, but to sit and argue and resist the officer, when at the end of the day they were in the wrong, just looks ridiculous.

PurpleJedi said:

dseann said:

Fuck The Police! Never in my life have I called the cops for anything. I don't want them around me in any capacity. They are the scum of the earth and untrustworthy. Fuck 'em. I deal with my problems in my own way. Again ... Fuck The Police.

P.S. The cop in the video needs to be "hit" and not with a fist or a bat. I mean he should be "whacked". Street justice is what he deserves. Fucking coward!

OK...ignore my last post. I think I know the answer.

For the record, "cops" in general are not the scum of the earth. To generalize like that is as ridiculous as those people that say "my cousin was robbed by a black man, so all black men are thieves." I go through life with people thinking I'm fresh off the boat b/c of my skin color and proficiency with the Spanish language...and yes many of us are illegals but no all. Stereotypes are dangerous.

It would depend on how many times "your cousin(hypothetically speaking)" was robbed by a black man. In my case I have grown up watching cops repeat this "shocking" behavior time and time again, which is what my assessment is based on. I've been on this earth for almost 39 years, I'm speaking from experience.

dseann said:

PurpleJedi said:

Uhm...seriously? Are you really saying that a teenager should get ghetto on a police officer? Would you REALLY do the same under similar circumstances??????

I'd just be interested in knowing (after seeing their disrespect towards the law) how these "fine" young ladies treated their teachers in school.

How many teen-agers do you know who understand what constitutes "jaywalking"?

Any typical hormone imbalanced teenager is going to get upset with some fucking cop arresting them or citing them for "jaywalking". That's what I'm saying. Remember, this same offense is what started Tupac's war with law enforcement(He was never in trouble with the law until the beat the shit out of him in NYC trying to cite him). They seem to use it as an excuse to "take down" anyone on the street they take exception to.

A cop is a cop, and whether or not you agree with the ticket that he's handing you, you DO NOT get confrontational with him. PERIOD.

Honestly now...don't you just write "not guilty" on the back of the ticket and mail it in..then the judge throws it out of court when the cop fails to appear?