PurpleJedi said:

dseann said:

How many teen-agers do you know who understand what constitutes "jaywalking"?

Any typical hormone imbalanced teenager is going to get upset with some fucking cop arresting them or citing them for "jaywalking". That's what I'm saying. Remember, this same offense is what started Tupac's war with law enforcement(He was never in trouble with the law until the beat the shit out of him in NYC trying to cite him). They seem to use it as an excuse to "take down" anyone on the street they take exception to.

A cop is a cop, and whether or not you agree with the ticket that he's handing you, you DO NOT get confrontational with him. PERIOD.

Honestly now...don't you just write "not guilty" on the back of the ticket and mail it in..then the judge throws it out of court when the cop fails to appear?

You can do that??

On the sides of police cars it often says "to protect and serve". I don't think this cop was protecting and serving in this case. I think he was unleashing his rage over something that had nothing to do with those girls.

PurpleJedi said:

dseann said:

How many teen-agers do you know who understand what constitutes "jaywalking"?

Any typical hormone imbalanced teenager is going to get upset with some fucking cop arresting them or citing them for "jaywalking". That's what I'm saying. Remember, this same offense is what started Tupac's war with law enforcement(He was never in trouble with the law until the beat the shit out of him in NYC trying to cite him). They seem to use it as an excuse to "take down" anyone on the street they take exception to.

A cop is a cop, and whether or not you agree with the ticket that he's handing you, you DO NOT get confrontational with him. PERIOD.

Honestly now...don't you just write "not guilty" on the back of the ticket and mail it in..then the judge throws it out of court when the cop fails to appear?

That's old school and hardly happens on the west coast anymore. Cops have wised up and now the tickets have a court date for you to appear and if you don't they can issue a bench warrant. Also, the cops often show up which is why they give you the court date at the time of issuing the ticket. you can try to reschedule and hope they don't show up. Usually the judge tries to get you to cop the violation and have you pay a smaller fine than what would normally be issued. These punk ass traffic violations are about generating revenue for the county.

dseann said:

PurpleJedi said:

OK...ignore my last post. I think I know the answer.

For the record, "cops" in general are not the scum of the earth. To generalize like that is as ridiculous as those people that say "my cousin was robbed by a black man, so all black men are thieves." I go through life with people thinking I'm fresh off the boat b/c of my skin color and proficiency with the Spanish language...and yes many of us are illegals but no all. Stereotypes are dangerous.

It would depend on how many times "your cousin(hypothetically speaking)" was robbed by a black man. In my case I have grown up watching cops repeat this "shocking" behavior time and time again, which is what my assessment is based on. I've been on this earth for almost 39 years, I'm speaking from experience.

WRONG answer.

My cousin (hypothetically speaking) could've been robbed a dozen times in one week by a black man, but that STILL DOES NOT JUSTIFY the stereotype. IT DOES NOT.

I've been on this earth almost 40 years, and thankfully only been pulled over by a cop 4 times in my life. I'm pretty straight-laced but I sometimes have a lead foot.

Two of those were bastards. One was looking to fulfill his quota (come on now...10 miles over the speed limit???) and one was just a miserable MF'er (pulled me over for turning right on red, then proceeded to fucking ticket me for a busted tail light AND FOR HAVING SHIT HANGING OFF MY REAR VIEW MIRROR!!!!!!!!!!)

But guess what? I took my tickets and moved on with my life. Didn't suck my teeth, roll my eyes, curse under my breath, or do any other nonsense that could make matters worse.

The other two cops were normal human beings. One of them pulled me over for speeding and let me off with a warning, and the other (State Trooper) gave me the ticket (had me on radar) but told me what to do in order to get it reduced in court.

See Purple this is why the cops have a bad rap. Why should you cussing or sucking your teeth or rolling your eye result in you getting your ass beat by a cop? WE ALL have to act accordingly and we all have to deal with stuff that we don't like but it should never get physical. This is why I side with the girls. As a cop...you should be trained to deal with different people and situations and you should know that there will be people who feel intimidated and/or threatened by you so why make matters worse for yourself by overeacting to some teenage bullcrap? He could have just gave them the ticket and went on about his business. If the girls didn't show up to court to contest or comply then it's their ass. However, HE being the professional and the elder was at fault for letting a simple jaywalking ticket get so far out of hand. Any day of the week somebody could cuss you out or roll their eyes at you or call out your name but you should NOT be so quick to hit them just because you don a badge and a gun. As for stereotypes...I think this cop may have had some stereotypes about black people which may have influenced his decision to ticket them in the first place. Like people have said...everybody jaywalks. Hell I've seen cops jaywalk.

[Edited 6/20/10 20:22pm]

PurpleJedi said:

dseann said:

It would depend on how many times "your cousin(hypothetically speaking)" was robbed by a black man. In my case I have grown up watching cops repeat this "shocking" behavior time and time again, which is what my assessment is based on. I've been on this earth for almost 39 years, I'm speaking from experience.

WRONG answer.

My cousin (hypothetically speaking) could've been robbed a dozen times in one week by a black man, but that STILL DOES NOT JUSTIFY the stereotype. IT DOES NOT.

I've been on this earth almost 40 years, and thankfully only been pulled over by a cop 4 times in my life. I'm pretty straight-laced but I sometimes have a lead foot.

Two of those were bastards. One was looking to fulfill his quota (come on now...10 miles over the speed limit???) and one was just a miserable MF'er (pulled me over for turning right on red, then proceeded to fucking ticket me for a busted tail light AND FOR HAVING SHIT HANGING OFF MY REAR VIEW MIRROR!!!!!!!!!!)

But guess what? I took my tickets and moved on with my life. Didn't suck my teeth, roll my eyes, curse under my breath, or do any other nonsense that could make matters worse.

The other two cops were normal human beings. One of them pulled me over for speeding and let me off with a warning, and the other (State Trooper) gave me the ticket (had me on radar) but told me what to do in order to get it reduced in court.

Doesn't make "your cousin's" stereotype justifiable but surely understandable.

I've never been arrested or even issued a parking ticket in life, but 99% of the cops I've ever encountered or seen deal with people are assholes like this coward in the video. I'm not asking you to agree with my opinion here in any way. I don't want any fucking cop around me in any capacity. They are(to me) the scum of the earth. If I saw on walking down the highway on fire on a rainy day, I wouldn't run my car over a puddle to put the fire out.

DesireeNevermind said:

But guess what? I took my tickets and moved on with my life. Didn't suck my teeth, roll my eyes, curse under my breath, or do any other nonsense that could make matters worse.

See Purple this is why the cops have a bad rap. Why should you cussing or sucking your teeth or rolling your eye result in you getting your ass beat by a cop? WE ALL have to act accordingly and we all have to deal with stuff that we don't like but it should never get physical. This is why I side with the girls. As a cop...you should be trained to deal with different people and situations and you should know that there will be people who feel intimidated and/or threatened by you so why make matters worse for yourself by overeacting to some teenage bullcrap? He could have just gave them the ticket and went on about his business. If the girls didn't show up to court to contest or comply then it's their ass. However, HE being the professional and the elder was at fault for letting a simple jaywalking ticket get so far out of hand. Any day of the week somebody could cuss you out or roll their eyes at you or call out your name but you should NOT be so quick to hit them just because you don a badge and a gun. As for stereotypes...I think this cop may have had some stereotypes about black people which may have influenced his decision to ticket them in the first place. Like people have said...everybody jaywalks. Hell I've seen cops jaywalk.

I understand what you're saying...but the REALITY is that you're dealing with human beings...human beings with a badge & authority. So even though theoretically if I rolled my eyes and sucked my teeth it should not result in anything...WHY TAKE THE CHANCE?

It's just plain, old-fashioned common sense.

dseann said:

Doesn't make "your cousin's" stereotype justifiable but surely understandable.

I've never been arrested or even issued a parking ticket in life, but 99% of the cops I've ever encountered or seen deal with people are assholes like this coward in the video. I'm not asking you to agree with my opinion here in any way. I don't want any fucking cop around me in any capacity. They are(to me) the scum of the earth. If I saw on walking down the highway on fire on a rainy day, I wouldn't run my car over a puddle to put the fire out.

Alright...so I guess we'll agree to disagree.

But let me add that I have a good friend who's a detective in Brooklyn. Married, 3 kids, little league coach, good father, good husband, and good human being.

If you passed him by on the street on fire and let him die, just cuz he's wearing a badge, well...it would be a mark upon your soul.

bigwillpreacher said:

Harlepolis said:

If authority is making a habbit out of bullying me and mine, how the hell could I respect it?

I'm not saying the girls were in the right, but it certainly could've been handled better and waaay more drama-free.

I can't find anyone in this drama fest that isn't a bully. Remember the initial report says that the girl was arrested last year for punching a 15-year-old boy in the face while she and a group of youths were on their way to a rave in South Seattle last Aug. 28.

All I'm saying is if you don't respect people that have a habit of bullying...you surely believe that the bullying of this young lady came full circle this time.

I don't, not when the tag says "to protect and to serve" and the actions of that tag carrier extremely contradicts what he's "suppposed" to do. I don't care if the girl was a cannibal, he should've never abused his authority.

I promise you if that young lady was of any relation to anyone on here, the cop would have hell to pay. My niece is that age, and to put the size and weight of those two teens up against the might and training of that cop you can see that he was in the wrong. Bottom line. Also, when he took the time to punch the young lady did he really think that they were a threat?? Because if he did, he wouldn't have taken the attention off of the one he was trying to subdue. he was completely out of line with that punch.

DesireeNevermind said:

On the sides of police cars it often says "to protect and serve". I don't think this cop was protecting and serving in this case. I think he was unleashing his rage over something that had nothing to do with those girls.

CORRECTION: "to protect (the white establishment) and serve (non-whites a beating)"

Don't believe me, just ask most non-whites that are aware of some white cops that are known to act like a bunch of damn fools.

[Edited 6/21/10 4:22am]

bigwillpreacher said:

Harlepolis said:

If authority is making a habbit out of bullying me and mine, how the hell could I respect it?

I'm not saying the girls were in the right, but it certainly could've been handled better and waaay more drama-free.

I can't find anyone in this drama fest that isn't a bully. Remember the initial report says that the girl was arrested last year for punching a 15-year-old boy in the face while she and a group of youths were on their way to a rave in South Seattle last Aug. 28.

All I'm saying is if you don't respect people that have a habit of bullying...you surely believe that the bullying of this young lady came full circle this time.

One case has nothing to do with the other. Besides, it has allready been established that she was wrong. What people fail to see is the cop, was out of line. Had he slapped her, people I think people would have been a bit more understanding. However, what is shocking, at least to me is the fact that he struck her with a closed fist. This is why people are reacting to it as they are.

BklynBabe said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Aw come on B...you don't really believe that do you? I think people confuse defensive black females with angry black females. Who know what those girls have to go through every day at home or in school or just walking down the street. Sometimes black women or women of any ethnicity/race have to be on their guard because some man or even some other female is always trying to fuck with them.

I still feel sorry for them. Even if I find out they were some skippity crack heads on their way to steal some shit at the mall....I will still feel sorry for them because no cop should beat you up over some damn jaywalking. He needs to hit on some of those gun weilding gang bangers...but he won't cuz they will skrait murder his clown ass.

I still think he was wrong for the punching, but I think that a lot of Black people tend to unleash their "inner ghetto" a bit too freely in public. I say this a a Black person. I get a bit tired of seeing Black people doing coon behavior and justifying their wrongdoing. I think sometimes we put that extra drama in a situation when it is uncalled for, like we think it's cute or something and then we wonder why we get hurt and whatnot. When they could have let that play out and then sued and got paid for the officer doing wrong.... If it was just "we jaywalking and then officer got all violent for no reason" they would have had a good case, but to sit and argue and resist the officer, when at the end of the day they were in the wrong, just looks ridiculous.

Why can't folk see and understand this? That's the problem right there half the time. Kids showing off and wanting to "be seen" as "Hey. I'm bad and see how cool I am!"

shorttrini said:

bigwillpreacher said:

I can't find anyone in this drama fest that isn't a bully. Remember the initial report says that the girl was arrested last year for punching a 15-year-old boy in the face while she and a group of youths were on their way to a rave in South Seattle last Aug. 28.

All I'm saying is if you don't respect people that have a habit of bullying...you surely believe that the bullying of this young lady came full circle this time.

One case has nothing to do with the other. Besides, it has allready been established that she was wrong. What people fail to see is the cop, was out of line. Had he slapped her, people I think people would have been a bit more understanding. However, what is shocking, at least to me is the fact that he struck her with a closed fist. This is why people are reacting to it as they are.

C'mon shorttrini,...you really believe that this girl's violent behavior in the past has nothing to do with the way she conducted herself in this incident? Do you honestly think that "learned thinking & behavior" has nothing to do with how a person's character develops into the future? So by your own words, the behavior of a cop that socks a minor in the mouth 5 years ago should not be looked at when he abuses another kid because they are seperate cases?

BTW...you never answered my last question to you. What do you think your parents (who are people of authority) would have done to you & your siblings if you were to talk back to them and/or put your hands on them? Please answer this question.

Shyra said:

BklynBabe said:

I still think he was wrong for the punching, but I think that a lot of Black people tend to unleash their "inner ghetto" a bit too freely in public. I say this a a Black person. I get a bit tired of seeing Black people doing coon behavior and justifying their wrongdoing. I think sometimes we put that extra drama in a situation when it is uncalled for, like we think it's cute or something and then we wonder why we get hurt and whatnot. When they could have let that play out and then sued and got paid for the officer doing wrong.... If it was just "we jaywalking and then officer got all violent for no reason" they would have had a good case, but to sit and argue and resist the officer, when at the end of the day they were in the wrong, just looks ridiculous.

Why can't folk see and understand this? That's the problem right there half the time. Kids showing off and wanting to "be seen" as "Hey. I'm bad and see how cool I am!"

But what about responsible adults that ask a honest question to any law enforcer (especially a police officer) on why exactly are they being arrested?

See there, some officers can easily take this out of context and accuse the suspects for being "a smartass" OR "getting flipped". Any black man in their 30's like me that have experience this kind of drama in the 1980's & 1990's knows exactly what the hell I'm taking about. Some officers of any skin color would take this opportunity to act a damn fool on any minority that dares to question their reasons of treating the suspects like guilty until proven innocnet.

It's isn't always the case of a suspect acting ghetto. Is some cases, it's the officer being a total bitch.

TonyVanDam said:

Shyra said:

Why can't folk see and understand this? That's the problem right there half the time. Kids showing off and wanting to "be seen" as "Hey. I'm bad and see how cool I am!"

But what about responsible adults that ask a honest question to any law enforcer (especially a police officer) on why exactly are they being arrested?

See there, some officers can easily take this out of context and accuse the suspects for being "a smartass" OR "getting flipped". Any black man in their 30's like me that have experience this kind of drama in the 1980's & 1990's knows exactly what the hell I'm taking about. Some officers of any skin color would take this opportunity to act a damn fool on any minority that dares to question their reasons of treating the suspects like guilty until proven innocnet.

It's isn't always the case of a suspect acting ghetto. Is some cases, it's the officer being a total bitch.

Co-sign.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

TonyVanDam said:

Shyra said:

Why can't folk see and understand this? That's the problem right there half the time. Kids showing off and wanting to "be seen" as "Hey. I'm bad and see how cool I am!"

But what about responsible adults that ask a honest question to any law enforcer (especially a police officer) on why exactly are they being arrested?

See there, some officers can easily take this out of context and accuse the suspects for being "a smartass" OR "getting flipped". Any black man in their 30's like me that have experience this kind of drama in the 1980's & 1990's knows exactly what the hell I'm taking about. Some officers of any skin color would take this opportunity to act a damn fool on any minority that dares to question their reasons of treating the suspects like guilty until proven innocnet.

It's isn't always the case of a suspect acting ghetto. Is some cases, it's the officer being a total bitch.

Sure, there are police officers who take their positions with a bit more omnipotence than necessary, but I still believe that if stopped by an officer, you give him no reason to get agressive with you. If you speak with respect and act accordingly, I don't think the majority of officers will treat you badly. Remember, the police have a tough and dangerous job. They have to quickly assess a situation, and that in itself can be difficult to do when you have a crowd forming that can quickly grow into a mob. I still think the officer acted appropriately. I don't care what he would have done to that girl, tazed, maced, slapped, pushed to the ground, whatever. Someone is always going to scream "POLICE BRUTALITY!" If the girl had been white and the officer black, this would have gone a whole different directlion. If the girl and the police officer were white, would we be having this discussion at all? Probably none of the black folk here would have given a rat's ass...

PurpleJedi said:

dseann said:

Doesn't make "your cousin's" stereotype justifiable but surely understandable.

I've never been arrested or even issued a parking ticket in life, but 99% of the cops I've ever encountered or seen deal with people are assholes like this coward in the video. I'm not asking you to agree with my opinion here in any way. I don't want any fucking cop around me in any capacity. They are(to me) the scum of the earth. If I saw on walking down the highway on fire on a rainy day, I wouldn't run my car over a puddle to put the fire out.

Alright...so I guess we'll agree to disagree.

But let me add that I have a good friend who's a detective in Brooklyn. Married, 3 kids, little league coach, good father, good husband, and good human being.

If you passed him by on the street on fire and let him die, just cuz he's wearing a badge, well...it would be a mark upon your soul.

Wow! A New York cop. Even worse(I grew up a witness to police brutality in NYC). There are many marks on my soul my friend, after a while the marks just blend in with the rest. I've grown numb to the pain of being marked.

bigwillpreacher said:

shorttrini said:

One case has nothing to do with the other. Besides, it has allready been established that she was wrong. What people fail to see is the cop, was out of line. Had he slapped her, people I think people would have been a bit more understanding. However, what is shocking, at least to me is the fact that he struck her with a closed fist. This is why people are reacting to it as they are.

C'mon shorttrini,...you really believe that this girl's violent behavior in the past has nothing to do with the way she conducted herself in this incident? Do you honestly think that "learned thinking & behavior" has nothing to do with how a person's character develops into the future? So by your own words, the behavior of a cop that socks a minor in the mouth 5 years ago should not be looked at when he abuses another kid because they are seperate cases?

BTW...you never answered my last question to you. What do you think your parents (who are people of authority) would have done to you & your siblings if you were to talk back to them and/or put your hands on them? Please answer this question.

To answer your last question first, my mom would have kicked my ass. This would have occured after she heard all of the facts. If it turns out that I was totally in the wrong, then an ass kicking would be expected. But again, his actions were a clear example of him abusing his authority. In which case, my mom would have probably sought legal action. While she did punch a 15 year old boy in the face, we do not know for what? He might have hit her first, which might not have been mentioned. As I mentioned before, this cop hit her with a closed fist. This was totally unnecessary, for a jaywalking collar. He could have slapped or pepper sprayed her, which would have calmed her down.

Why should her incident with that boy be equated with what happend in the video though?

He's an "authority" figure with responsibilities to carry who(unlike her) should've known better.

shorttrini said:

bigwillpreacher said:

C'mon shorttrini,...you really believe that this girl's violent behavior in the past has nothing to do with the way she conducted herself in this incident? Do you honestly think that "learned thinking & behavior" has nothing to do with how a person's character develops into the future? So by your own words, the behavior of a cop that socks a minor in the mouth 5 years ago should not be looked at when he abuses another kid because they are seperate cases?

BTW...you never answered my last question to you. What do you think your parents (who are people of authority) would have done to you & your siblings if you were to talk back to them and/or put your hands on them? Please answer this question.

To answer your last question first, my mom would have kicked my ass. This would have occured after she heard all of the facts. If it turns out that I was totally in the wrong, then an ass kicking would be expected. But again, his actions were a clear example of him abusing his authority. In which case, my mom would have probably sought legal action. While she did punch a 15 year old boy in the face, we do not know for what? He might have hit her first, which might not have been mentioned. As I mentioned before, this cop hit her with a closed fist. This was totally unnecessary, for a jaywalking collar. He could have slapped or pepper sprayed her, which would have calmed her down.

Trini we tight, but I don't ever condone violence towards women. I've been attacked by an angry "black" woman before and I never ever thought of hitting her in any way. He could have faked pulling his gun, which would have stopped her dead in her tracks then handcuffed her. He didn't need to hit her. Seeing shit like that makes my blood boil.

Shyra said:

TonyVanDam said:

But what about responsible adults that ask a honest question to any law enforcer (especially a police officer) on why exactly are they being arrested?

See there, some officers can easily take this out of context and accuse the suspects for being "a smartass" OR "getting flipped". Any black man in their 30's like me that have experience this kind of drama in the 1980's & 1990's knows exactly what the hell I'm taking about. Some officers of any skin color would take this opportunity to act a damn fool on any minority that dares to question their reasons of treating the suspects like guilty until proven innocnet.

It's isn't always the case of a suspect acting ghetto. Is some cases, it's the officer being a total bitch.

Sure, there are police officers who take their positions with a bit more omnipotence than necessary, but I still believe that if stopped by an officer, you give him no reason to get agressive with you. If you speak with respect and act accordingly, I don't think the majority of officers will treat you badly. Remember, the police have a tough and dangerous job. They have to quickly assess a situation, and that in itself can be difficult to do when you have a crowd forming that can quickly grow into a mob. I still think the officer acted appropriately. I don't care what he would have done to that girl, tazed, maced, slapped, pushed to the ground, whatever. Someone is always going to scream "POLICE BRUTALITY!" If the girl had been white and the officer black, this would have gone a whole different directlion. If the girl and the police officer were white, would we be having this discussion at all? Probably none of the black folk here would have given a rat's ass...

Are you kidding me?!? If the female suspect was white and the officer was black, the controversy would have been far worse. Why? Because by then, the attitudes of the white establishment (counting Tea Partiers, white rednecks, Angry White Men, Fox News, etc.) would've typcast this dude with the Mandigo Conplex.

TonyVanDam said:

Shyra said:

Sure, there are police officers who take their positions with a bit more omnipotence than necessary, but I still believe that if stopped by an officer, you give him no reason to get agressive with you. If you speak with respect and act accordingly, I don't think the majority of officers will treat you badly. Remember, the police have a tough and dangerous job. They have to quickly assess a situation, and that in itself can be difficult to do when you have a crowd forming that can quickly grow into a mob. I still think the officer acted appropriately. I don't care what he would have done to that girl, tazed, maced, slapped, pushed to the ground, whatever. Someone is always going to scream "POLICE BRUTALITY!" If the girl had been white and the officer black, this would have gone a whole different directlion. If the girl and the police officer were white, would we be having this discussion at all? Probably none of the black folk here would have given a rat's ass...

Are you kidding me?!? If the female suspect was white and the officer was black, the controversy would have been far worse. Why? Because by then, the attitudes of the white establishment (counting Tea Partiers, white rednecks, Angry White Men, Fox News, etc.) would've typcast this dude with the Mandigo Conplex.

Well the girl on the advice of her pastor apologized to the officer.

Harlepolis said:

Why should her incident with that boy be equated with what happend in the video though?

He's an "authority" figure with responsibilities to carry who(unlike her) should've known better.

I don't understand. Are you saying the only person involved in this drama that had responsibilities & should've known better is the police officer? Do you really want to give these two young adult ladies a pass? Why?

Here is their record to show you the results of not holding young adults accountable for their actions does:

Previous arrests

1) Rosenthal was charged in November with second-degree robbery. According to prosecutors, she punched a 15-year-old boy in the face while she and a group of youths were on their way to a rave in South Seattle last Aug. 28. The boy told police that his cellphone and $20 were stolen in the incident. A 14-year-old boy told police that he was punched in the head and his hat was stolen.

2) In April 2008, Rosenthal was charged with third-degree theft after she allegedly stole a minivan in Tukwila, prosecutors said. Kent police said she used a screwdriver to break the ignition and start the vehicle.

3) Levias was charged in February 2009 with third-degree assault after she allegedly pushed a King County sheriff's deputy down.

4) According to charging documents, on Feb. 3, 2009, deputies were called to the Ruth Dykeman Children's Center, a Burien center for troubled girls, in response to a report that Levias was being abusive toward staff.

Seattle Times reporters Janet Tu, Craig Welch and Linda Shaw and news researcher Miyoko Wolf contributed to this story.

Harlepolis said:

bigwillpreacher said:

Well shorttrini,...I think both you and I grew up old skool. We both know that police can sometimes abuse their authority. But let's be real,...the underlining element is not how much sensitivity training an officer gets...but how much home training we as parents give our children about respecting a person of authority. What do you think your parents would have done to you or your siblings for talking back and putting your hands on them? I know some people on this forum are not comfortable with what they see...I certainly am not! Nevertheless, let's respect authority folks. If you don't approve of their actions, you can have your day in court!

If authority is making a habbit out of bullying me and mine, how the hell could I respect it?

I'm not saying the girls were in the right, but it certainly could've been handled better and waaay more drama-free.

So your position is, they didn't have to respect authority in the first place, so they didn't owe the police officer any respect or regard because of his uniform.

Does this apply to any and all authority, or just police?

So if a police tries to cite you period, they don't deserve your cooperation and respect as they try to do their job?

It could've been handled better if they had just accepted the citation for jaywalking which is against the law.

bigwillpreacher said:

Harlepolis said:

Why should her incident with that boy be equated with what happend in the video though?

He's an "authority" figure with responsibilities to carry who(unlike her) should've known better.

I don't understand. Are you saying the only person involved in this drama that had responsibilities & should've known better is the police officer? Do you really want to give these two young adult ladies a pass? Why?

I already pointed out in my earlier post that they were WRONG too.

It has been established in this thread over & over that cops are trained to behave under pressure constructively, he could've snapped his fingers and told them to stand on the sidewalk instead of jaywalking, or at least give them a ticket like the rest of us go through.

But NO, he had to initiate the violence first by yanking that girl's arm, why the hell not? He's an authority figure, he's entitled to it. Should I disregard that just because somebody gave him a badge and gun? Every action has a reaction, for somebody who's considered as an authority figure, he didn't conduct the responsible way to handle this situation, so hell no, I'm not giving him a pass either.

dseann said:

CHIC0 said:

The thing is if I ever get stopped for "jaywalking" I'd probably get punched in the face too. Why the fuck are police still harassing people for "jaywalking" when there are soooo many atrocities occurring in the fucking country?

How is a teenager to react to being cited for fucking "jaywalking"?

Wow!

But to the officer's credit, he was only doing what he was trained to do. Beat the shit out of defenseless teen-aged girls. Him and his academy trainer must be real proud of themselves.

So if the law should not be enforced, it should not be on the books.

What atrocities did the police officer ignore while dealing with this situation?

What atrocities were before him that he chose to ignore while focusing on jaywalking?

dseann said:

PurpleJedi said:

Uhm...seriously? Are you really saying that a teenager should get ghetto on a police officer? Would you REALLY do the same under similar circumstances??????

I'd just be interested in knowing (after seeing their disrespect towards the law) how these "fine" young ladies treated their teachers in school.

How many teen-agers do you know who understand what constitutes "jaywalking"?

Any typical hormone imbalanced teenager is going to get upset with some fucking cop arresting them or citing them for "jaywalking". That's what I'm saying. Remember, this same offense is what started Tupac's war with law enforcement(He was never in trouble with the law until the beat the shit out of him in NYC trying to cite him). They seem to use it as an excuse to "take down" anyone on the street they take exception to.

That is not an excuse for violating the law.

You seem to suggest that teens should be allowed to violate the law because of hormones?!!!

That makes no sense.

Would you want to see a 16 year old murderer go unpunished using your rationale?!!!!

BklynBabe said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Aw come on B...you don't really believe that do you? I think people confuse defensive black females with angry black females. Who know what those girls have to go through every day at home or in school or just walking down the street. Sometimes black women or women of any ethnicity/race have to be on their guard because some man or even some other female is always trying to fuck with them.

I still feel sorry for them. Even if I find out they were some skippity crack heads on their way to steal some shit at the mall....I will still feel sorry for them because no cop should beat you up over some damn jaywalking. He needs to hit on some of those gun weilding gang bangers...but he won't cuz they will skrait murder his clown ass.

I still think he was wrong for the punching, but I think that a lot of Black people tend to unleash their "inner ghetto" a bit too freely in public. I say this a a Black person. I get a bit tired of seeing Black people doing coon behavior and justifying their wrongdoing. I think sometimes we put that extra drama in a situation when it is uncalled for, like we think it's cute or something and then we wonder why we get hurt and whatnot. When they could have let that play out and then sued and got paid for the officer doing wrong.... If it was just "we jaywalking and then officer got all violent for no reason" they would have had a good case, but to sit and argue and resist the officer, when at the end of the day they were in the wrong, just looks ridiculous.

Thank you so much.

DesireeNevermind said:

On the sides of police cars it often says "to protect and serve". I don't think this cop was protecting and serving in this case. I think he was unleashing his rage over something that had nothing to do with those girls.

So their resistance to being cited was the officer's fault?!!!!

How so?