SUPRMAN said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

They shouldn't have been resisting or making contact with the cop but he's out of control and should be fired.

So he should not attempt to defend himself against those resisting arrest or making contact with his person with the intent to harm him/her?

How is that logical, reasonable or sane?

I'm sure the training he received does not involve punching a female minor in the face

SUPRMAN said:

Dave1992 said:

Exactly.

I don't even live in a big city, but any place I've been to in Europe is cool with people knowing when and how to cross the street. We learn from our parents and from our God given logic that we should not cross the street when a car is arriving, because we could die. The colours on the traffic light suggest whether it is safer or less safe to cross the street. Still, it doesn't mean you'll die when you cross the street at red light, just as it doesn't mean you'll survive when you cross the street at green light.

Again, if your parents and your country and school system educated you well enough, you should know how and when you cross the street. No arresting for "jaywalking" should be necessary.

What you want is for jaywalking to be legal. Fine. But until it is, it is a citeable offense.

Just like running a stop sign or a red light.

Just because there is no opposing traffic doesn't mean you can run the red with impunity.

You're comparing apples and oranges. I see people walking uptown Charlotte on a daily

basis. It's common sense. If the light is red, watch the traffic and if their is no oncoming

traffic you simply cross the street. People here would actually think you're special if you

stand their and wait for the light to turn green and there is no oncoming traffic. Cops are

on the beat all the time and don't fuck with anybody for jaywalking. They have bigger

fish to fry.

phunkdaddy said:

SUPRMAN said:

What you want is for jaywalking to be legal. Fine. But until it is, it is a citeable offense.

Just like running a stop sign or a red light.

Just because there is no opposing traffic doesn't mean you can run the red with impunity.

You're comparing apples and oranges. I see people walking uptown Charlotte on a daily

basis. It's common sense. If the light is red, watch the traffic and if their is no oncoming

traffic you simply cross the street. People here would actually think you're special if you

stand their and wait for the light to turn green and there is no oncoming traffic. Cops are

on the beat all the time and don't fuck with anybody for jaywalking. They have bigger

fish to fry.

yeah, the cops should be addressing real crime instead of harrassing people for stupid shit.

TD3 said:

SUPRMAN said:

He can't defend himself unless his life is in danger?

Would pepper spray have allowed him to control the situation?

Of course not! Being sprayed is not going to make you stop, listen and take direction.

You are more likely to run, scream and fight anyone attempting to assist.

His actions were not excessive.

What about these women's actions?

Defend what Sup, some dumb girls talkin' shit with hands flying? Every had any experience with pepper spray? It's painful, it makes you disorientated, everyone around in the proximity would've had to backup. . . way up. By the way the pepper spray used by law enforcment isn't one the the same that consumers purchase at Walgreens. As I said excessive.

Thank you.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

phunkdaddy said:

You're comparing apples and oranges. I see people walking uptown Charlotte on a daily

basis. It's common sense. If the light is red, watch the traffic and if their is no oncoming

traffic you simply cross the street. People here would actually think you're special if you

stand their and wait for the light to turn green and there is no oncoming traffic. Cops are

on the beat all the time and don't fuck with anybody for jaywalking. They have bigger

fish to fry.

yeah, the cops should be addressing real crime instead of harrassing people for stupid shit.

For one we do not want the cops to not address the minor issues. It is a matter of if it is impacting you negatively then you would expect it to be addressed. Jaywalking ties up traffic and causes accidents. So on its face it may seem minor, but, depending on the situation it could easily turn major.

And how is enforcing a law harassing?

I think that this cop shouldn't have punched her in the face, but at the same time she & her friend were being unruly and they're lucky they didn't get tasered.

There are 2 things that bother me about this;

#1 - the stupidity of these two females, running their mouths and fighting back against a damned cop. STUPIDITY. Plain & simple. If you're gonna get a ticket, the LAST thing you want to do is go off on the cop. What hole have these chicks been living under all these years?

#2 - why is this man a police officer? Did you see how utterly useless he was when trying to restrain a teenager? Seriously now. If that had been a 6'-2" 250-lb bouncer, what would he have done?

Let me share this with you;

Last week I was home sick one day. I was watching TV when I heard a cop siren outside. I'm nosy so I peeked through the blinds to see what was going on.

An unmarked police car pulled some dude over.

It was some white dude in a pickup truck with Carolina plates. Both cops approached and before you know it the dude is being cuffed. They reached in his car and pulled out a huge Rambo-style knife. So they start questioning the guy, and even though I couldn't make out most of what was being said, I did manage to hear the dude say; "Yes, sir. No, sir." each and every time he was questioned. He put up no fight. Didn't give them any attitude. Answered all their questions, then thanked them when they uncuffed him and handed him a ticket for running a stopsign.

NOW, what do you think would've happened if he'd resisted being cuffed to begin with? He'd have wound up in jail, or tasered, or worse.

Moral of the story is; use some common sense and mind your f*cking manners for G*d's sake.

TD3 said:

SUPRMAN said:

He can't defend himself unless his life is in danger?

Would pepper spray have allowed him to control the situation?

Of course not! Being sprayed is not going to make you stop, listen and take direction.

You are more likely to run, scream and fight anyone attempting to assist.

His actions were not excessive.

What about these women's actions?

Defend what Sup, some dumb girls talkin' shit with hands flying? Every had any experience with pepper spray? It's painful, it makes you disorientated, everyone around in the proximity would've had to backup. . . way up. By the way the pepper spray used by law enforcment isn't one the the same that consumers purchase at Walgreens. As I said excessive.

The police officer was assaulted physically, not just verbally, but I guess since women were doing it it doesn't count.

Yes I have had experience with pepper spray.

So the officer sprays them and they run into the street (disoriented) and are struck by a car.

The city gets sued.

phunkdaddy said:

SUPRMAN said:

What you want is for jaywalking to be legal. Fine. But until it is, it is a citeable offense.

Just like running a stop sign or a red light.

Just because there is no opposing traffic doesn't mean you can run the red with impunity.

You're comparing apples and oranges. I see people walking uptown Charlotte on a daily

basis. It's common sense. If the light is red, watch the traffic and if their is no oncoming

traffic you simply cross the street. People here would actually think you're special if you

stand their and wait for the light to turn green and there is no oncoming traffic. Cops are

on the beat all the time and don't fuck with anybody for jaywalking. They have bigger

fish to fry.

Not apples and oranges.

Simply because the law isn't enforced in every instance doesn't mean it isn't a law.

You see people speeding everyday too. Does that mean police can't write speeding tickets?

Obeying the law is a mental deficiency now?!!

SUPRMAN said:

phunkdaddy said:

You're comparing apples and oranges. I see people walking uptown Charlotte on a daily

basis. It's common sense. If the light is red, watch the traffic and if their is no oncoming

traffic you simply cross the street. People here would actually think you're special if you

stand their and wait for the light to turn green and there is no oncoming traffic. Cops are

on the beat all the time and don't fuck with anybody for jaywalking. They have bigger

fish to fry.

Not apples and oranges.

Simply because the law isn't enforced in every instance doesn't mean it isn't a law.

You see people speeding everyday too. Does that mean police can't write speeding tickets?

Obeying the law is a mental deficiency now?!!

Police departments have a formula to figure out how often they need to enforce a given law in a given area to make sure things do not get out of hand.

SUPRMAN said:

phunkdaddy said:

You're comparing apples and oranges. I see people walking uptown Charlotte on a daily

basis. It's common sense. If the light is red, watch the traffic and if their is no oncoming

traffic you simply cross the street. People here would actually think you're special if you

stand their and wait for the light to turn green and there is no oncoming traffic. Cops are

on the beat all the time and don't fuck with anybody for jaywalking. They have bigger

fish to fry.

Not apples and oranges.

Simply because the law isn't enforced in every instance doesn't mean it isn't a law.

You see people speeding everyday too. Does that mean police can't write speeding tickets?

Obeying the law is a mental deficiency now?!!

No just common sense like when you're on your job and the big boss comes around then

you probably want to look busy even if you aren't. If your big boss sees you slacking off

you probably won't get a good appraisal however; when your boss isn't around you may

take it a little easier. Just common sense. Driving and speeding doesn't have a thing

to do with using good judgement when you're crossing a street.

phunkdaddy said:

SUPRMAN said:

Not apples and oranges.

Simply because the law isn't enforced in every instance doesn't mean it isn't a law.

You see people speeding everyday too. Does that mean police can't write speeding tickets?

Obeying the law is a mental deficiency now?!!

No just common sense like when you're on your job and the big boss comes around then

you probably want to look busy even if you aren't. If your big boss sees you slacking off

you probably won't get a good appraisal however; when your boss isn't around you may

take it a little easier. Just common sense. Driving and speeding doesn't have a thing

to do with using good judgement when you're crossing a street.

How myopic is that rationale?!!!

If the cars are speeding, wouldn't you have to take that into account when deciding when and where to cross a street?

SUPRMAN said:

phunkdaddy said:

No just common sense like when you're on your job and the big boss comes around then

you probably want to look busy even if you aren't. If your big boss sees you slacking off

you probably won't get a good appraisal however; when your boss isn't around you may

take it a little easier. Just common sense. Driving and speeding doesn't have a thing

to do with using good judgement when you're crossing a street.

How myopic is that rationale?!!!

If the cars are speeding, wouldn't you have to take that into account when deciding when and where to cross a street?

I've answered this question enough already.

Use common sense and good judgement

2freaky4church1 said:

I do know that blacks tend to get more jay walking tickets than whites. I remember I would jay walk even in front of a cop car and not get a ticket. I almost got hit by a car and still didn't get one.

You cannot justify hitting a girl, no matter what she does, unless she pulls a knife or a gun. He is a big man, he had means to restrain her.

"let's respect authority." All that is why we let the government get away with so much. Defying the authority is better.

BULLSHIT! She was acting like a ghetto trash thug and deserved it. Hell, what if he had kicked her in the ass, would that have been any worse? No sympathy here for that stupid bitch and disgrace to black womanhood.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SUPRMAN said:

So he should not attempt to defend himself against those resisting arrest or making contact with his person with the intent to harm him/her?

How is that logical, reasonable or sane?

I'm sure the training he received does not involve punching a female minor in the face

Minor? She was actling like a dude, dude!!!

PurpleJedi said:

I think that this cop shouldn't have punched her in the face, but at the same time she & her friend were being unruly and they're lucky they didn't get tasered.

There are 2 things that bother me about this;

#1 - the stupidity of these two females, running their mouths and fighting back against a damned cop. STUPIDITY. Plain & simple. If you're gonna get a ticket, the LAST thing you want to do is go off on the cop. What hole have these chicks been living under all these years?

#2 - why is this man a police officer? Did you see how utterly useless he was when trying to restrain a teenager? Seriously now. If that had been a 6'-2" 250-lb bouncer, what would he have done?

Let me share this with you;

Last week I was home sick one day. I was watching TV when I heard a cop siren outside. I'm nosy so I peeked through the blinds to see what was going on.

An unmarked police car pulled some dude over.

It was some white dude in a pickup truck with Carolina plates. Both cops approached and before you know it the dude is being cuffed. They reached in his car and pulled out a huge Rambo-style knife. So they start questioning the guy, and even though I couldn't make out most of what was being said, I did manage to hear the dude say; "Yes, sir. No, sir." each and every time he was questioned. He put up no fight. Didn't give them any attitude. Answered all their questions, then thanked them when they uncuffed him and handed him a ticket for running a stopsign.

NOW, what do you think would've happened if he'd resisted being cuffed to begin with? He'd have wound up in jail, or tasered, or worse.

Moral of the story is; use some common sense and mind your f*cking manners for G*d's sake.

Reminds me of the time I did something really, really stupid. I was backing my car into a side street. What I didn't see was the cop directing a child through the cross walk I was attempting to back through. He blew his whistle, and I could tell he was pissed because he became red in the face, and he stomped toward me like he was going to grab me out of the car. I immediately apologized, admitted my wrong and promised to be more careful. After he wrote the ticket, I thanked him. That's when he looked at me like I was nuts.

children are the easiest targets to push around sometimes and with that in mind, law enforcement should be more inclusive toward the kids, in that they should be helping them to understand why its a good idea to obey simple laws and such, instead of acting weak themselves , untimately pushing and pouncing on some easy ticket targets. thats tammy 2:2

Damn...more PUBLIC COONERY!!

At least the girl had the sense this morning to apologize for her own behavior.

That said, officer could've just pimp slapped her a good one with the back hand side, and didn't necessarily have to go to throwing 'bows, dude wound that punch up but good.

all i was saying was that it seems like the officer was weak, he shoulda been able to talk her out of the situation without all that other madness.

phunkdaddy said:

whodknee said:

The punch was for grabbing the cop. My mom and sister would have more sense than to put their hands on a cop. So there would be nothing to defend.

Have you actually watched the video. The girl was defending her friend because the cop

was yanking her friend's arm like she was some kind of animal. At first she was trying

to help her friend pull away from the cop but got emotional and shoved the cop which

was a mistake but he had no right to punch her in the face. That was a straight coward move

over fucking jaywalking. Get the fuck outta here. This isn't a situation where he punched

an unruly teenage boy in the face.

Moral of the story: don't grab/shove a cop. Period. Don't defend your friend by putting your hands on the cop because then he might be thinking he's being ganged up on. It's easy for us to say it was an over-reaction but if I was a cop and somebody was resisting arrest and then their friend (who was at least as big as me) comes and grabs me I might have done the same thing. I'd like to think I would have just pushed her out of the way, but who knows?

First: that's my 'hood. Holla.

Second: what kind of idiot shoves a cop? I'm thinking it's the kind of idiot who gets punched in the face shortly thereafter.

People keep saying she assualted this cop. Um...I don't see that. What I see is a girl trying to defend herself against some man putting his hands all over her and trying to twist her arm like a pretzel and forcing her face down on the hood of his car. Yeah this is a bit much over a jaywalking ticket but I get that many U.S. cities are strapped for cash so ticket writing even for the dumbest of things is another attempt at collecting revenue.

I'm more irked at the all the observers....they could have all bumrushed that fool ass cop or they could have called additional police. This cavalier attitude that cops are always right no matter what is why so many people get beaten up and killed by cops with hardly any cops going to prison. It's like that poor guy ( NY I think it was) who got shot to death the day before his wedding when he wasn't even the suspect the cops were looking for. Or that little girl that got shot when the cops bumrushed a house looking for some drug dealer. Why are these cops so quick to react violently. Is it worth it to punch a girl in the face all because she's cussing you out? Really....you've got nothing better to do such as...I dunno....beat down some child molesters, go after some drunk drivers, patrol some gang invested neighborhoods?

I'm gonna say it.....I don't think he would have done that to some blonde blue-eyed teen (girl or boy) wearing nice clothes. Shit they could have jaywalked right in front his car and probably would have just yelled "get out of the street". They always have to go the extra mile over these minority kids.

The girl provoked it, she brought it on herself, and it's not like he beat the hell out of her. You don't get mouthy and start pushing a cop like that, you're just asking for some big trouble.

If he just walked up to her and punched her in the face for no reason it woulda been a different story... but that's not the case.

DesireeNevermind said:

People keep saying she assualted this cop. Um...I don't see that. What I see is a girl trying to defend herself against some man putting his hands all over her and trying to twist her arm like a pretzel and forcing her face down on the hood of his car. Yeah this is a bit much over a jaywalking ticket but I get that many U.S. cities are strapped for cash so ticket writing even for the dumbest of things is another attempt at collecting revenue.

I'm more irked at the all the observers....they could have all bumrushed that fool ass cop or they could have called additional police. This cavalier attitude that cops are always right no matter what is why so many people get beaten up and killed by cops with hardly any cops going to prison. It's like that poor guy ( NY I think it was) who got shot to death the day before his wedding when he wasn't even the suspect the cops were looking for. Or that little girl that got shot when the cops bumrushed a house looking for some drug dealer. Why are these cops so quick to react violently. Is it worth it to punch a girl in the face all because she's cussing you out? Really....you've got nothing better to do such as...I dunno....beat down some child molesters, go after some drunk drivers, patrol some gang invested neighborhoods?

I'm gonna say it.....I don't think he would have done that to some blonde blue-eyed teen (girl or boy) wearing nice clothes. Shit they could have jaywalked right in front his car and probably would have just yelled "get out of the street". They always have to go the extra mile over these minority kids.

ummm. there are two girls... the original jaywalker wearing blue and her dumb friend wearing pink... girl in pink tried to get between girl in blue and the cop, you DON'T DO THAT!!

In the eyes of the law that's assault... you don't touch a cop EVER!

However, even with all this laid out, I would LOVE to see the 10mins. prior to the girl in blue getting restrained to see exactly what she did/said that would cause the cop to do what he did.

UNBELIEVEBLE! that some ppl justify this action! any 'normal' man could have got this in control without this punch...in her face! yes,it was wrong what she did,but no way he had 2 solve this with a punch in her face.....

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

O.k. let's run with this scenario,...cop calls for more backup and then what do you expect to happen? Same thing people always say, "You mean it takes 15 cops to handle a jay walking ticket for two minors? Don't they have more to do like catch child molesters, drug dealers, murderers, etc. *end of quote.*

Law enforcement are trained about their legal rights as police officers on how to engage the public on either an arrest or detaining procedures. Because of cases like this one,...they are trained that a simple infraction can turn ugly & to expect the unexpected. Now take the bottom statement, and replace the word "cops" with the word "private citizens" and you will understand a police officer's point of view.

"That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this."

i'm really appalled by the fools here that approve of this

[Edited 6/20/10 15:15pm]

Dewrede said:

i'm really appalled by the fools here that approve this

? approve of public coonery, or approve of a cop punching a person because of their own public coonery.

We have spent so much time and energy trying to be respected by the police, and to fight intolerance, racism, and violence against minorites...but that does us no good if we continue to go out in public and act the damn fool. Just like chick in McDonald's! If you can't act in some type of respectful way in public, and your behavior is so bad that the cops have to be called on you, and you already know that mixing cops and minorites is never good, then do your part to prevent the escalation of the situation.

As a minority I do my part to minimize cintact with the po-po by obeying the law (or by not getting caught too often) and if I do have an encounter with law enforcement I keep it respectful on my end. So at least I knw if I do get beat down and have to sue, the record will show it was not my own public coonery that was the problem.

There's no reason to be throwing food, jaywalking, drinking, drugging, speeding, shooting and other coonery behaviors like being loud and acting ignant to the point where cops need to be around you or put their hands on you or feel like they have to punch you or even tase and shoot you.

bigwillpreacher said:

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

O.k. let's run with this scenario,...cop calls for more backup and then what do you expect to happen? Same thing people always say, "You mean it takes 15 cops to handle a jay walking ticket for two minors? Don't they have more to do like catch child molesters, drug dealers, murderers, etc. *end of quote.*

Law enforcement are trained about their legal rights as police officers on how to engage the public on either an arrest or detaining procedures. Because of cases like this one,...they are trained that a simple infraction can turn ugly & to expect the unexpected. Now take the bottom statement, and replace the word "cops" with the word "private citizens" and you will understand a police officer's point of view.

"That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this."

Okay, Bigwill, let's run with your scenario, now. A smart officer would have assesed the situation and made the proper call for backup. By proper I mean, he would have specified that this is a simple jay-walking incident, that invovled to females. Had this been done, there would no misunderstanding and no need for the SWAT team. This is also a good example of why sensitivity training is needed in the police force. Some blacks feel threatened by police officers, especially white one's. More training needs to be given to these officers, so situations like this, can be avoided. Frankly, a black female officer, should have been choosen as one of the backup officers. The result might have been the same, but you never know.

[Edited 6/20/10 8:14am]

DesireeNevermind said:

I'm gonna say it.....I don't think he would have done that to some blonde blue-eyed teen (girl or boy) wearing nice clothes. Shit they could have jaywalked right in front his car and probably would have just yelled "get out of the street". They always have to go the extra mile over these minority kids.

You're absolutely right. Like my dad always told me, that's why black and brown folks have to be EXTRA careful when dealing with white officers. We don't have the same luxury white citizens do. I learned this from black and latino cops like my dad, my brother and their friends.

BklynBabe said:

Dewrede said:

i'm really appalled by the fools here that approve this

? approve of public coonery, or approve of a cop punching a person because of their own public coonery.

We have spent so much time and energy trying to be respected by the police, and to fight intolerance, racism, and violence against minorites...but that does us no good if we continue to go out in public and act the damn fool. Just like chick in McDonald's! If you can't act in some type of respectful way in public, and your behavior is so bad that the cops have to be called on you, and you already know that mixing cops and minorites is never good, then do your part to prevent the escalation of the situation.

As a minority I do my part to minimize cintact with the po-po by obeying the law (or by not getting caught too often) and if I do have an encounter with law enforcement I keep it respectful on my end. So at least I knw if I do get beat down and have to sue, the record will show it was not my own public coonery that was the problem.

There's no reason to be throwing food, jaywalking, drinking, drugging, speeding, shooting and other coonery behaviors like being loud and acting ignant to the point where cops need to be around you or put their hands on you or feel like they have to punch you or even tase and shoot you.

it's not an excuse for a police officer to punch a girl in the face , ever

[Edited 6/20/10 14:05pm]