Graycap23 said:

The cop was way over the line but what right thinking person, ESPECIALLY a so called minority would resist arrest or in any way should aggression toward a cop? It is DUMB in every way because u are NOT going 2 win that showdown.

WAKE up folks..............

TRUTH

she seems pretty stupid. definitely asking for trouble

if you are short-sighted enough to think that you behave disrespectfully, even physically aggressively with a police officer, you have an ass kicking headed your way, be it phsyical or detention downtown. fact. the law provides for that. resisting arrest is a crime.

next time, girlie, shut up, nod and smile, and walk away.

[Edited 6/17/10 10:35am]

Dave1992 said:

What the hell is wrong with that state/country?

That woman is completely right to yell at him if he wants to arrest her because she crossed the street at the wrong time. Don't be so focused on the guy's uniform - behind that he's just a man and should be expected to use his brains and logical judgement too.

I mean, for instance, in most European countries nobody cares whether you cross the street at red light or not, as long as there is no car arriving. The only time you don't do it is when children are near. Under NO circumstances would a policeman arrest you for crossing the street at a wrong time and it would already be very baffling and rare if he did stop by to tell you you shouldn't have done that.

Of course it's against the law, but you have to weigh up reason for law and effect of law. In the end, it should all be based on correct judgement and justice.

As for them girls having a criminal record - shame on them. But in this situation I completely understand their reaction and this policemen should be punched in the balls. Maybe then he would drop his fake, low authority-voice for a minute.

According to police, Walsh, working in a patrol car, saw several people jaywalking on Martin Luther King Jr. Way South, just south of Rainier Avenue South, despite a nearby pedestrian overpass.

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

ernestsewell said:

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

This was one of those in-the-moment things. There wasn't time for backup. It wasn't a stand off. He was in the middle of someone resisting. It's like someone running from the cops, and they sit and wait for someone to run with them to catch the perp. You have to act, and react, to what is going on at that moment.

Ernest, the fact that it was "one of those in the moment things" and NOT a stand off, means that he should have thought more clearly and called for backup. This was not a hostage situation or bank robbery, this was jaywalking. As for the orger that asked what difference a woman officer would have made, had she been a woman, she might have been able to talk to her as a woman. She may have still gotten punched, but at least it would have been looked at better than a "male white cop", getting caught on camera, hitting a black female teen.

phunkdaddy said:

All this for jaywalking.

Take a bow police officer. You must feel like a real man.

I wonder if the people here defending this shit would feel

the same if it was their mother or sister this was happening too.

My mother and/or sister would not be jaywalking, would not be resisting arrest and would likely just accept the citation for their misdemeanor infraction.

phunkdaddy said:

whodknee said:

The punch was for grabbing the cop. My mom and sister would have more sense than to put their hands on a cop. So there would be nothing to defend.

Have you actually watched the video. The girl was defending her friend because the cop

was yanking her friend's arm like she was some kind of animal. At first she was trying

to help her friend pull away from the cop but got emotional and shoved the cop which

was a mistake but he had no right to punch her in the face. That was a straight coward move

over fucking jaywalking. Get the fuck outta here. This isn't a situation where he punched

an unruly teenage boy in the face.

He was trying to do his job - issue the citation and she was going to walk away.

At that point, he could arrest her.

How was he supposed to detain her?

phunkdaddy said:

I'm actually glad there was people there watching to get this shit on

camera. You know if no one else were there watcing this coward ass

cop would havd done more. You could actually here one guy in the

background saying Are you Serious over and over. The rest of the

crowd was very civil. Why did the cop have to grab the girl by the

neck and shit? I hope these girls parents sue the shit out of this cop

and the chief for defending this shit.

There's no reason to sue . . .

For what? A cop doing his job?

Dave1992 said:

What the hell is wrong with that state/country?

That woman is completely right to yell at him if he wants to arrest her because she crossed the street at the wrong time. Don't be so focused on the guy's uniform - behind that he's just a man and should be expected to use his brains and logical judgement too.

I mean, for instance, in most European countries nobody cares whether you cross the street at red light or not, as long as there is no car arriving. The only time you don't do it is when children are near. Under NO circumstances would a policeman arrest you for crossing the street at a wrong time and it would already be very baffling and rare if he did stop by to tell you you shouldn't have done that.

Of course it's against the law, but you have to weigh up reason for law and effect of law. In the end, it should all be based on correct judgement and justice.

As for them girls having a criminal record - shame on them. But in this situation I completely understand their reaction and this policemen should be punched in the balls. Maybe then he would drop his fake, low authority-voice for a minute.

So what?

Just ignore the law?

Yes, you do get cited for jaywalking because guess what? Just like running a red light it's against the law.

Making jaywalking legal if you don't think people should be cited for it.

And the woman is wrong. She doesn't have the right to assault (verbally or otherwise) an officer because she doesn't think she deserved a citation.

Go to court and fight the citation is how you deal with that. Or just don't jaywalk in front of a police officer. That's sheer ignorance.

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

So they assault him and are gone by the time back up arrives?

If I'm hitting on you are you just going to take it until someone helps you?!

SUPRMAN said:

phunkdaddy said:

Have you actually watched the video. The girl was defending her friend because the cop

was yanking her friend's arm like she was some kind of animal. At first she was trying

to help her friend pull away from the cop but got emotional and shoved the cop which

was a mistake but he had no right to punch her in the face. That was a straight coward move

over fucking jaywalking. Get the fuck outta here. This isn't a situation where he punched

an unruly teenage boy in the face.

He was trying to do his job - issue the citation and she was going to walk away.

At that point, he could arrest her.

How was he supposed to detain her?

Mace.

SUPRMAN said:

Dave1992 said:

What the hell is wrong with that state/country?

That woman is completely right to yell at him if he wants to arrest her because she crossed the street at the wrong time. Don't be so focused on the guy's uniform - behind that he's just a man and should be expected to use his brains and logical judgement too.

I mean, for instance, in most European countries nobody cares whether you cross the street at red light or not, as long as there is no car arriving. The only time you don't do it is when children are near. Under NO circumstances would a policeman arrest you for crossing the street at a wrong time and it would already be very baffling and rare if he did stop by to tell you you shouldn't have done that.

Of course it's against the law, but you have to weigh up reason for law and effect of law. In the end, it should all be based on correct judgement and justice.

As for them girls having a criminal record - shame on them. But in this situation I completely understand their reaction and this policemen should be punched in the balls. Maybe then he would drop his fake, low authority-voice for a minute.

So what?

Just ignore the law?

Yes, you do get cited for jaywalking because guess what? Just like running a red light it's against the law.

Making jaywalking legal if you don't think people should be cited for it.

And the woman is wrong. She doesn't have the right to assault (verbally or otherwise) an officer because she doesn't think she deserved a citation.

Go to court and fight the citation is how you deal with that. Or just don't jaywalk in front of a police officer. That's sheer ignorance.

I practically live and work in one of the biggest cities in the South. I've never seen

the cops here harass someone for jaywalking. Go catch some real criminals like drug

dealers, child molestors, and criminals breaking into people homes.

phunkdaddy said:

SUPRMAN said:

So what?

Just ignore the law?

Yes, you do get cited for jaywalking because guess what? Just like running a red light it's against the law.

Making jaywalking legal if you don't think people should be cited for it.

And the woman is wrong. She doesn't have the right to assault (verbally or otherwise) an officer because she doesn't think she deserved a citation.

Go to court and fight the citation is how you deal with that. Or just don't jaywalk in front of a police officer. That's sheer ignorance.

I practically live and work in one of the biggest cities in the South. I've never seen

the cops here harass someone for jaywalking. Go catch some real criminals like drug

dealers, child molestors, and criminals breaking into people homes.

They do it everyday of the week in Beverly Hill, Ca.

tinaz said:

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

They were attacking him! What do you do when people start attacking you? SO he shoulda just stood there and let those girls wail on him... There is no respect for the law in people these days...

I have never had ANY problems what so ever with the police... why? because i abide by the law and IF I were to be in a situation that escalated to this I am SMART enough to know to keep my hands OFF a police officer...

Thank you! What amazes me about folk who spew "I hate the police!" is who are you going to call if/when your ass is in trouble? Ghostbusters? Yes. there are bad police officers and some damn great police officers. I don't have a problem with them and I even support them. They have a tough and deadly job dealing with the assholes of the world. If that fool bitch had been hit by a car and injured, who do you think she would have expected to come to her aid? Maybe ticketing for jaywalking is over zealous. I say go ahead and let fools cross the street any whichway they please, and when their asses get run over and killed or injured, TOUGH! Don't go to the courts and waste the public's time with your bullshit.

Shyra said:

tinaz said:

They were attacking him! What do you do when people start attacking you? SO he shoulda just stood there and let those girls wail on him... There is no respect for the law in people these days...

I have never had ANY problems what so ever with the police... why? because i abide by the law and IF I were to be in a situation that escalated to this I am SMART enough to know to keep my hands OFF a police officer...

Thank you! What amazes me about folk who spew "I hate the police!" is who are you going to call if/when your ass is in trouble? Ghostbusters? Yes. there are bad police officers and some damn great police officers. I don't have a problem with them and I even support them. They have a tough and deadly job dealing with the assholes of the world. If that fool bitch had been hit by a car and injured, who do you think she would have expected to come to her aid? Maybe ticketing for jaywalking is over zealous. I say go ahead and let fools cross the street any whichway they please, and when their asses get run over and killed or injured, TOUGH! Don't go to the courts and waste the public's time with your bullshit.

That's the problem the ratio of bad police officers to good police officers is getting

pretty damn even. It's not about hating the police but when you see policemen abusing

their powers in situations where it's not warranted excluding this particular incident then

hell yeah it's going to make you have a growing disdain for police officers. Look at all these

cases where cops are exonerated for criminal behavior and i'm supposed to look up to

some of these bastards. I don't think so. Unless you have been harrassed for bullshit, you

couldn't possibly know what it's like to walk in someone else's shoes. The slew of bad cops

are unfortunately making it bad for the good ones.

phunkdaddy said:

SUPRMAN said:

He was trying to do his job - issue the citation and she was going to walk away.

At that point, he could arrest her.

How was he supposed to detain her?

Mace.

Really?

How does mace detain someone?

He could have maced her and she could have run . . . into traffic perhaps.

phunkdaddy said:

SUPRMAN said:

So what?

Just ignore the law?

Yes, you do get cited for jaywalking because guess what? Just like running a red light it's against the law.

Making jaywalking legal if you don't think people should be cited for it.

And the woman is wrong. She doesn't have the right to assault (verbally or otherwise) an officer because she doesn't think she deserved a citation.

Go to court and fight the citation is how you deal with that. Or just don't jaywalk in front of a police officer. That's sheer ignorance.

I practically live and work in one of the biggest cities in the South. I've never seen

the cops here harass someone for jaywalking. Go catch some real criminals like drug

dealers, child molestors, and criminals breaking into people homes.

I've received jaywalking citations. I live in Cali.

So cops should only be enforcing some laws, not the law in general?

Why harass drug dealers? They are only making a living. Next you'll be suggesting the cops should arrest illegal immigrants . . . ..

Shyra said:

tinaz said:

They were attacking him! What do you do when people start attacking you? SO he shoulda just stood there and let those girls wail on him... There is no respect for the law in people these days...

I have never had ANY problems what so ever with the police... why? because i abide by the law and IF I were to be in a situation that escalated to this I am SMART enough to know to keep my hands OFF a police officer...

Thank you! What amazes me about folk who spew "I hate the police!" is who are you going to call if/when your ass is in trouble? Ghostbusters? Yes. there are bad police officers and some damn great police officers. I don't have a problem with them and I even support them. They have a tough and deadly job dealing with the assholes of the world. If that fool bitch had been hit by a car and injured, who do you think she would have expected to come to her aid? Maybe ticketing for jaywalking is over zealous. I say go ahead and let fools cross the street any whichway they please, and when their asses get run over and killed or injured, TOUGH! Don't go to the courts and waste the public's time with your bullshit.

But if they get hit, then they want to sue everybody and the city . . . . and waste the courts' and public's time . . . .

phunkdaddy said:

Shyra said:

Thank you! What amazes me about folk who spew "I hate the police!" is who are you going to call if/when your ass is in trouble? Ghostbusters? Yes. there are bad police officers and some damn great police officers. I don't have a problem with them and I even support them. They have a tough and deadly job dealing with the assholes of the world. If that fool bitch had been hit by a car and injured, who do you think she would have expected to come to her aid? Maybe ticketing for jaywalking is over zealous. I say go ahead and let fools cross the street any whichway they please, and when their asses get run over and killed or injured, TOUGH! Don't go to the courts and waste the public's time with your bullshit.

That's the problem the ratio of bad police officers to good police officers is getting

pretty damn even. It's not about hating the police but when you see policemen abusing

their powers in situations where it's not warranted excluding this particular incident then

hell yeah it's going to make you have a growing disdain for police officers. Look at all these

cases where cops are exonerated for criminal behavior and i'm supposed to look up to

some of these bastards. I don't think so. Unless you have been harrassed for bullshit, you

couldn't possibly know what it's like to walk in someone else's shoes. The slew of bad cops

are unfortunately making it bad for the good ones.

As someone who has been harassed, I know. I have been ticketed for jaywalking and didn't assault the cop. Although I did do some verbally harassing. I took the citation and we both kept moving.

missfee said:

crazydoctor said:

Personally, I don't think the punch was uncalled for. He was being shoved... it was two on one. I think the cop needed to act quickly.

Okay well that's your opinion, I still stick to my opinion though.

SUPRMAN said:

phunkdaddy said:

I practically live and work in one of the biggest cities in the South. I've never seen

the cops here harass someone for jaywalking. Go catch some real criminals like drug

dealers, child molestors, and criminals breaking into people homes.

I've received jaywalking citations. I live in Cali.

So cops should only be enforcing some laws, not the law in general?

Why harass drug dealers? They are only making a living. Next you'll be suggesting the cops should arrest illegal immigrants . . . ..

Probably because it's against the law. Why wouldn't illegal immigrants be arrested

for breaking the law? There are some who drive illegally on our highways drunk

and actually kill innocent people. I've seen it happen where i live a few times.

CarrieLee said:

Dave1992 said:

What the hell is wrong with that state/country?

That woman is completely right to yell at him if he wants to arrest her because she crossed the street at the wrong time. Don't be so focused on the guy's uniform - behind that he's just a man and should be expected to use his brains and logical judgement too.

I mean, for instance, in most European countries nobody cares whether you cross the street at red light or not, as long as there is no car arriving. The only time you don't do it is when children are near. Under NO circumstances would a policeman arrest you for crossing the street at a wrong time and it would already be very baffling and rare if he did stop by to tell you you shouldn't have done that.

Of course it's against the law, but you have to weigh up reason for law and effect of law. In the end, it should all be based on correct judgement and justice.

As for them girls having a criminal record - shame on them. But in this situation I completely understand their reaction and this policemen should be punched in the balls. Maybe then he would drop his fake, low authority-voice for a minute.

Well it's a law there, whether you or anyone else likes it or not. This law does protect the safety of pedestrians so I kind of agree with it. There's been a few times I almost hit someone because they ran out in the street like morons. It can cause accidents...if they got hit by a car then what would happen?

Just abide the damn laws for crying out loud and don't resist a cop. Common sense.

Like I said, it's also a law here. But seems to it's rather to protect drivers than pedestrians. You don't force protection on anyone and when it's for the pedestrians' safety than why don't you let them do whatever they please?

And there is a huge difference between running out onto the street like a moron and looking left, right, left (or right, left, right, for that matter) and quickly crossing the street.

We don't know how that girl crossed that street and whether she really endangered somebody doing so, but we all agree that the situation got out of hand and it shouldn't have. Educate your people and they will know how and when to cross the street (and not only follow the rules and abide the laws without understanding them - that is very unhealthy) and nobody will ever be endangered.

Laws don't always represent logic and justice (that's why the U.S. has a legislature) and sometimes the executive has way too much power, which is used blindly. Laws should suit the people of a nation, not the other way round.

phunkdaddy said:

SUPRMAN said:

So what?

Just ignore the law?

Yes, you do get cited for jaywalking because guess what? Just like running a red light it's against the law.

Making jaywalking legal if you don't think people should be cited for it.

And the woman is wrong. She doesn't have the right to assault (verbally or otherwise) an officer because she doesn't think she deserved a citation.

Go to court and fight the citation is how you deal with that. Or just don't jaywalk in front of a police officer. That's sheer ignorance.

I practically live and work in one of the biggest cities in the South. I've never seen

the cops here harass someone for jaywalking. Go catch some real criminals like drug

dealers, child molestors, and criminals breaking into people homes.

Exactly.

I don't even live in a big city, but any place I've been to in Europe is cool with people knowing when and how to cross the street. We learn from our parents and from our God given logic that we should not cross the street when a car is arriving, because we could die. The colours on the traffic light suggest whether it is safer or less safe to cross the street. Still, it doesn't mean you'll die when you cross the street at red light, just as it doesn't mean you'll survive when you cross the street at green light.

Again, if your parents and your country and school system educated you well enough, you should know how and when you cross the street. No arresting for "jaywalking" should be necessary.

Dave1992 said:

phunkdaddy said:

I practically live and work in one of the biggest cities in the South. I've never seen

the cops here harass someone for jaywalking. Go catch some real criminals like drug

dealers, child molestors, and criminals breaking into people homes.

Exactly.

I don't even live in a big city, but any place I've been to in Europe is cool with people knowing when and how to cross the street. We learn from our parents and from our God given logic that we should not cross the street when a car is arriving, because we could die. The colours on the traffic light suggest whether it is safer or less safe to cross the street. Still, it doesn't mean you'll die when you cross the street at red light, just as it doesn't mean you'll survive when you cross the street at green light.

Again, if your parents and your country and school system educated you well enough, you should know how and when you cross the street. No arresting for "jaywalking" should be necessary.

What you want is for jaywalking to be legal. Fine. But until it is, it is a citeable offense.

Just like running a stop sign or a red light.

Just because there is no opposing traffic doesn't mean you can run the red with impunity.

SUPRMAN said:

Dave1992 said:

Exactly.

I don't even live in a big city, but any place I've been to in Europe is cool with people knowing when and how to cross the street. We learn from our parents and from our God given logic that we should not cross the street when a car is arriving, because we could die. The colours on the traffic light suggest whether it is safer or less safe to cross the street. Still, it doesn't mean you'll die when you cross the street at red light, just as it doesn't mean you'll survive when you cross the street at green light.

Again, if your parents and your country and school system educated you well enough, you should know how and when you cross the street. No arresting for "jaywalking" should be necessary.

What you want is for jaywalking to be legal. Fine. But until it is, it is a citeable offense.

Just like running a stop sign or a red light.

Just because there is no opposing traffic doesn't mean you can run the red with impunity.

No, I do not at all. I wrote that nobody should ever abide the laws without understanding them and thinking about them. Crossing the street at red light should be illegal as a statement, because it's dangerous. But as a policeman it is completely unnecessary to interfere if somebody does cross the street without any cars arriving. What for? To fill his own pockets with a bit of money? To live up to his uniform of authority? A grown-up should know what they are doing, even in the U.S.

Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:

I practically live and work in one of the biggest cities in the South. I've never seen

the cops here harass someone for jaywalking. Go catch some real criminals like drug

dealers, child molestors, and criminals breaking into people homes.

They do it everyday of the week in Beverly Hill, Ca.

They don't harass, nor let alone arrest anyone here for jaywalking and I live in Richmond, VA but I hear in the Hampton Roads area/Norfolk the police does give citations there, so it depends on how much a big deal jaywalking is in certain areas.

[Edited 6/17/10 12:35pm]

Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:

I practically live and work in one of the biggest cities in the South. I've never seen

the cops here harass someone for jaywalking. Go catch some real criminals like drug

dealers, child molestors, and criminals breaking into people homes.

They do it everyday of the week in Beverly Hill, Ca.

Because most of the people livin' there are brainless fools. They need it.

Yeah we don't arrest folks for shit like that in NC.

Shit is way different out west.

You know, chances are, he probably was just telling those kids that they were jaywalking and needed to use a legal crosswalk, and even if he was citing them they shoulda just taken the ticket because THATS THE LAW! Im sure they started mouthing off to him and things got out of hand... Noone has seen the footage of what had happened BEFORE they started to film...

tinaz said:

You know, chances are, he probably was just telling those kids that they were jaywalking and needed to use a legal crosswalk, and even if he was citing them they shoulda just taken the ticket because THATS THE LAW! Im sure they started mouthing off to him and things got out of hand... Noone has seen the footage of what had happened BEFORE they started to film...

And that's where things are muddled.