Why is everyone suggesting a female officer should have been there to handle it? There was no body search.. Just because they were women? By that rationale, are you saying female officers shouldn't handle male suspects either?

Sex had nothing to do with this. Sure he overeacted, but it's ignorant to start getting agressive towards a police officer for a petty crime. We all reap what we sow...

I'll say this until the day I die, don't ever resist a cop. Go along with everything politely, and then take your chances in court. That doesn't mean you still won't get screwed....but resisting just makes things worse.

Especially if you plan on taking care of it in court.

What the hell is wrong with that state/country?

That woman is completely right to yell at him if he wants to arrest her because she crossed the street at the wrong time. Don't be so focused on the guy's uniform - behind that he's just a man and should be expected to use his brains and logical judgement too.

I mean, for instance, in most European countries nobody cares whether you cross the street at red light or not, as long as there is no car arriving. The only time you don't do it is when children are near. Under NO circumstances would a policeman arrest you for crossing the street at a wrong time and it would already be very baffling and rare if he did stop by to tell you you shouldn't have done that.

Of course it's against the law, but you have to weigh up reason for law and effect of law. In the end, it should all be based on correct judgement and justice.

As for them girls having a criminal record - shame on them. But in this situation I completely understand their reaction and this policemen should be punched in the balls. Maybe then he would drop his fake, low authority-voice for a minute.

JerseyKRS said:

I'll say this until the day I die, don't ever resist a cop. Go along with everything politely, and then take your chances in court. That doesn't mean you still won't get screwed....but resisting just makes things worse.

Especially if you plan on taking care of it in court.

I'm not endorsing violence on a woman, or police brutality, but he had the right to use force on that girl to get her out of the situation. She was putting her hands on him, started a struggle with him when he was already in one with another girl resisting arrest. Two against one. Girls or not, he had a right to use force to get her off of him. He could have pulled his billy club out and hit her, he could have Tazered her, he could have stun gunned her - whatever, but he had the right to make ONE move to get her off of him. She should have stayed the fuck out of it.

All that being said - on video, it doesn't LOOK good at all. When a cop tells you to stop, or get on the ground, or whatever, you just DO it. You can defend yourself later in the matter of court or charges, but you don't fucking say NO to a cop. Period. You don't put your hands on a cop. Period.

ernestsewell said:

I'm not endorsing violence on a woman, or police brutality, but he had the right to use force on that girl to get her out of the situation. She was putting her hands on him, started a struggle with him when he was already in one with another girl resisting arrest. Two against one. Girls or not, he had a right to use force to get her off of him. He could have pulled his billy club out and hit her, he could have Tazered her, he could have stun gunned her - whatever, but he had the right to make ONE move to get her off of him. She should have stayed the fuck out of it.

All that being said - on video, it doesn't LOOK good at all. When a cop tells you to stop, or get on the ground, or whatever, you just DO it. You can defend yourself later in the matter of court or charges, but you don't fucking say NO to a cop. Period. You don't put your hands on a cop. Period.

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

I HATE COPS WITH A PASSION BUT I GOTTA CALL IT LIKE I SEE IT. THIS HEIFER DESERVED THAT PUNCH FOR PHYSICALLY PUSHING THE OFFICER FIRST. SHE NEVER DREAMED HE WOULD RESPOND LIKE THAT (THE WAY SHE WAS ACTING) NOTICE AFTER SHE GOT ROCKED SHE TURNED AWAY, SHE DIDN'T WANT ANYMORE.

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

They were attacking him! What do you do when people start attacking you? SO he shoulda just stood there and let those girls wail on him... There is no respect for the law in people these days...

I have never had ANY problems what so ever with the police... why? because i abide by the law and IF I were to be in a situation that escalated to this I am SMART enough to know to keep my hands OFF a police officer...

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

This was one of those in-the-moment things. There wasn't time for backup. It wasn't a stand off. He was in the middle of someone resisting. It's like someone running from the cops, and they sit and wait for someone to run with them to catch the perp. You have to act, and react, to what is going on at that moment.

tinaz said:

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

They were attacking him! What do you do when people start attacking you? SO he shoulda just stood there and let those girls wail on him... There is no respect for the law in people these days...

I have never had ANY problems what so ever with the police... why? because i abide by the law and IF I were to be in a situation that escalated to this I am SMART enough to know to keep my hands OFF a police officer...

I'm not saying that he shouldn't have done it, I've seen cop videos and there's been some folks who curse at the cops or even push the cops and some cops if there's not guns involved usually call for backup. There's two sides to every story so I'm not saying he SHOULDN'T have done it, just another way I guess. I mean I guess he had no choice but what the fuck do I know. To a cop, that's enough to get an ass whooping, to some of us, that's wrong.

ernestsewell said:

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

This was one of those in-the-moment things. There wasn't time for backup. It wasn't a stand off. He was in the middle of someone resisting. It's like someone running from the cops, and they sit and wait for someone to run with them to catch the perp. You have to act, and react, to what is going on at that moment.

I see your point. I can see why the cop did what he did so you're not off at all on that.

Dave1992 said:

What the hell is wrong with that state/country?

That woman is completely right to yell at him if he wants to arrest her because she crossed the street at the wrong time. Don't be so focused on the guy's uniform - behind that he's just a man and should be expected to use his brains and logical judgement too.

I mean, for instance, in most European countries nobody cares whether you cross the street at red light or not, as long as there is no car arriving. The only time you don't do it is when children are near. Under NO circumstances would a policeman arrest you for crossing the street at a wrong time and it would already be very baffling and rare if he did stop by to tell you you shouldn't have done that.

Of course it's against the law, but you have to weigh up reason for law and effect of law. In the end, it should all be based on correct judgement and justice.

As for them girls having a criminal record - shame on them. But in this situation I completely understand their reaction and this policemen should be punched in the balls. Maybe then he would drop his fake, low authority-voice for a minute.

Well it's a law there, whether you or anyone else likes it or not. This law does protect the safety of pedestrians so I kind of agree with it. There's been a few times I almost hit someone because they ran out in the street like morons. It can cause accidents...if they got hit by a car then what would happen?

Just abide the damn laws for crying out loud and don't resist a cop. Common sense.

ernestsewell said:

I'm not endorsing violence on a woman, or police brutality, but he had the right to use force on that girl to get her out of the situation. She was putting her hands on him, started a struggle with him when he was already in one with another girl resisting arrest. Two against one. Girls or not, he had a right to use force to get her off of him. He could have pulled his billy club out and hit her, he could have Tazered her, he could have stun gunned her - whatever, but he had the right to make ONE move to get her off of him. She should have stayed the fuck out of it.

All that being said - on video, it doesn't LOOK good at all. When a cop tells you to stop, or get on the ground, or whatever, you just DO it. You can defend yourself later in the matter of court or charges, but you don't fucking say NO to a cop. Period. You don't put your hands on a cop. Period.

I agree. But we also have to keep in mind that there also was a hostile climate from the on lookers as well (a mob mentality was forming-you have to put a stop to that.) Seattle also has a high number of fatalities with pedestrians being hit by cars.

Like I said two sides. True the girl was totally WRONG and a DUMBASS for what she did so no one is saying she's a victim. Least I hope not.

The last thing we need is Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton making excuses for the girl because they want to suck the media's dick and try to get the girl sympathy she don't need.

I mean I'll admit this I don't care what gender you are, if I'm a cop and you shove me when you don't obey me and you actually try to fight me, then guess what, POP BACK AT CHA. So I can SEE why the cop did what he did and if backup wasn't needed in this situation then I can see why.

It's a shame it had to be seen for the world to see.

Timmy84 said:

Like I said two sides. True the girl was totally WRONG and a DUMBASS for what she did so no one is saying she's a victim. Least I hope not.

The last thing we need is Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton making excuses for the girl because they want to suck the media's dick and try to get the girl sympathy she don't need.

I mean I'll admit this I don't care what gender you are, if I'm a cop and you shove me when you don't obey me and you actually try to fight me, then guess what, POP BACK AT CHA. So I can SEE why the cop did what he did and if backup wasn't needed in this situation then I can see why.

It's a shame it had to be seen for the world to see.

Totally! Especially when it only shows the cop in a bad light... I mean, what brought it to the point to where he felt he had to cuff her?? Of course they dont show that...

tinaz said:

Timmy84 said:

Like I said two sides. True the girl was totally WRONG and a DUMBASS for what she did so no one is saying she's a victim. Least I hope not.

The last thing we need is Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton making excuses for the girl because they want to suck the media's dick and try to get the girl sympathy she don't need.

I mean I'll admit this I don't care what gender you are, if I'm a cop and you shove me when you don't obey me and you actually try to fight me, then guess what, POP BACK AT CHA. So I can SEE why the cop did what he did and if backup wasn't needed in this situation then I can see why.

It's a shame it had to be seen for the world to see.

Totally! Especially when it only shows the cop in a bad light... I mean, what brought it to the point to where he felt he had to cuff her?? Of course they dont show that...

Yeah people can do some stupid things that are never shown on tape.

Timmy84 said:

Like I said two sides. True the girl was totally WRONG and a DUMBASS for what she did so no one is saying she's a victim. Least I hope not.

The last thing we need is Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton making excuses for the girl because they want to suck the media's dick and try to get the girl sympathy she don't need.

I mean I'll admit this I don't care what gender you are, if I'm a cop and you shove me when you don't obey me and you actually try to fight me, then guess what, POP BACK AT CHA. So I can SEE why the cop did what he did and if backup wasn't needed in this situation then I can see why.

It's a shame it had to be seen for the world to see.

In recent years, those two whores have been getting on my last nerves. How do they pick and choose who they want to all of a sudden "defend" like they are personal attorneys at law? Plenty of cases similar to this one goes on WITHOUT A CAMERA RECORDING, yet once these certain type of stories get news coverage, it's like here's Jesse and Al to the rescue when really it's not about the victims in the situation, its about their greed for media atttention They make me sick.

JerseyKRS said:

whatever.

the beating in the jail, I understand the outrage.

But the punch in the face? Whatever again. I'm not saying you won't get punched in the face anyway, cause a lot of cops are dicks, but still..........one way to MAKE SURE you get fucked up by a cop is to assault him.

I don't think the punch to the face should be scrutinized. The handling in the jail though, that seemed excessive IMO.

I don't give a fuck about one punch to the face, that girl is LUCKY she didn't get tazered after trying to handle an officer. She is just plain dumb. Were it a teenaged boy her age he surely would have been treated more harshly than that.

The police man would have been in his rights to do just that, but the beating in the jail is appauling. That beating in jail is what people should be crying foul over. I agree with Jers on this one.

missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

Like I said two sides. True the girl was totally WRONG and a DUMBASS for what she did so no one is saying she's a victim. Least I hope not.

The last thing we need is Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton making excuses for the girl because they want to suck the media's dick and try to get the girl sympathy she don't need.

I mean I'll admit this I don't care what gender you are, if I'm a cop and you shove me when you don't obey me and you actually try to fight me, then guess what, POP BACK AT CHA. So I can SEE why the cop did what he did and if backup wasn't needed in this situation then I can see why.

It's a shame it had to be seen for the world to see.

In recent years, those two whores have been getting on my last nerves. How do they pick and choose who they want to all of a sudden "defend" like they are personal attorneys at law? Plenty of cases similar to this one goes on WITHOUT A CAMERA RECORDING, yet once these certain type of stories get news coverage, it's like here's Jesse and Al to the rescue when really it's not about the victims in the situation, its about their greed for media atttention They make me sick.

I got really pissed at them during the Jena 6 thing. It was like the both of them were on different news stations trying to look more activist-like and they weren't. I sure loved it when during Obama's campaign when they criticized him that they got the riot act read at them. These fools are not genuine leaders at all. They're phonies who wanna be louder than the other. They're like those two kids who always compete at track trying to see who could run the fastest or at a jump relay trying to jump the highest, then when someone else beats them they attack them until they get called out for it. They're nothing but bitches to me.

paintedlady said:

JerseyKRS said:

whatever.

the beating in the jail, I understand the outrage.

But the punch in the face? Whatever again. I'm not saying you won't get punched in the face anyway, cause a lot of cops are dicks, but still..........one way to MAKE SURE you get fucked up by a cop is to assault him.

I don't think the punch to the face should be scrutinized. The handling in the jail though, that seemed excessive IMO.

I don't give a fuck about one punch to the face, that girl is LUCKY she didn't get tazered after trying to handle an officer. She is just plain dumb. Were it a teenaged boy her age he surely would have been treated more harshly than that.

The police man would have been in his rights to do just that, but the beating in the jail is appauling. That beating in jail is what people should be crying foul over. I agree with Jers on this one.

Now that one was just stupid and wrong (the beating in jail). The one punch the cop gave that girl who shoved him is no comparison whatsoever.

tinaz said:

Timmy84 said:

The cop could've just called for backup. The fuck he had to go to that extreme? Wasn't like he was the only cop on duty that day. Jesus Christ. I mean a shove just add extra charges but you don't abuse your power like that. That's why cops are not trusted 100% because of shit like this.

They were attacking him! What do you do when people start attacking you? SO he shoulda just stood there and let those girls wail on him... There is no respect for the law in people these days...

I have never had ANY problems what so ever with the police... why? because i abide by the law and IF I were to be in a situation that escalated to this I am SMART enough to know to keep my hands OFF a police officer...

This young lady learned a valueable lesson about options. REGARDLESS of whether the cop is in the right, or wrong, when a cop TELLS YOU TO STEP THE FUCK OFF, YOU STEP THE FUCK OFF, especially when he is apprehending someone, WHETHER HE IS USING EXCESSIVE FORCE OR NOT. You stay the fuck back.

Now, the cop was wrong for punching this young lady, and will probably be suspended with pay for some time, but this young lady will NOT win this case.

This is NOT a case of race. It's this "uninformed chick" train of thought where "you don't put your hands on me". Wrong. I wish, though, that I could defend her, but she was wrong, and his choice of defusing the so-called "threat" was wrong as well.

I guarantee you, however, this is a valueable lesson she learned, which is good.

Okay, just got to review the vid on my lunch break. I don't get why the young lady was getting arrested for jaywalking but anywho, be that as it may, she shouldn't have resisted arrest...for THAT reason alone I can see why the officer had to use force, but her friend shouldn't have shoved him. Knowing this information I still think the officer went overboard punching her. Should she had been arrested for shoving him, yes, but was the punch in her face necessary? No. Hell no. Then let's go to the beating in jail, VERY UNNECESSARY...I think that should be the prime focus for this investigation..though I feel the punch was uncalled for, what was seen inside the jail was the real brutality. And that's my two cents.

MotorBootyAffair said:

This young lady learned a valueable lesson about options. REGARDLESS of whether the cop is in the right, or wrong, when a cop TELLS YOU TO STEP THE FUCK OFF, YOU STEP THE FUCK OFF, especially when he is apprehending someone, WHETHER HE IS USING EXCESSIVE FORCE OR NOT. You stay the fuck back.

Now, the cop was wrong for punching this young lady, and will probably be suspended with pay for some time, but this young lady will NOT win this case.

This is NOT a case of race. It's this "uninformed chick" train of thought where "you don't put your hands on me". Wrong. I wish, though, that I could defend her, but she was wrong, and his choice of defusing the so-called "threat" was wrong as well.

I guarantee you, however, this is a valueable lesson she learned, which is good.

I agree.

Timmy84 said:

ernestsewell said:

This was one of those in-the-moment things. There wasn't time for backup. It wasn't a stand off. He was in the middle of someone resisting. It's like someone running from the cops, and they sit and wait for someone to run with them to catch the perp. You have to act, and react, to what is going on at that moment.

I see your point. I can see why the cop did what he did so you're not off at all on that.

Most cops in that situation use tazers or worse, she was lucky it wasn't a steel toe-reinforced boot to the jaw and up her ass. That girl should have known better.

See, to me it seems like since she knows she's a girl that she could get away with being physical with an officer because he was male.

"Boys don't hit girls" so she thought she was in her right to shove and push him. That officer proved that theory wrong. Most girls get themselves in real trouble when they think this way.

Shows a total lack of obedience and common sense, her parents should teach her to respect authority.

Chris Rock DID say "there's a reason to hit someone, just don't do it, no one is above an ass whooping." THAT BEING SAID though, the beating from the jail video was disgusting and uncalled for. They're not investigating THAT?

[Edited 6/17/10 10:06am]

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

In recent years, those two whores have been getting on my last nerves. How do they pick and choose who they want to all of a sudden "defend" like they are personal attorneys at law? Plenty of cases similar to this one goes on WITHOUT A CAMERA RECORDING, yet once these certain type of stories get news coverage, it's like here's Jesse and Al to the rescue when really it's not about the victims in the situation, its about their greed for media atttention They make me sick.

I got really pissed at them during the Jena 6 thing. It was like the both of them were on different news stations trying to look more activist-like and they weren't. I sure loved it when during Obama's campaign when they criticized him that they got the riot act read at them. These fools are not genuine leaders at all. They're phonies who wanna be louder than the other. They're like those two kids who always compete at track trying to see who could run the fastest or at a jump relay trying to jump the highest, then when someone else beats them they attack them until they get called out for it. They're nothing but bitches to me.

Exactly.

missfee said:

Okay, just got to review the vid on my lunch break. I don't get why the young lady was getting arrested for jaywalking but anywho, be that as it may, she shouldn't have resisted arrest...for THAT reason alone I can see why the officer had to use force, but her friend shouldn't have shoved him. Knowing this information I still think the officer went overboard punching her. Should she had been arrested for shoving him, yes, but was the punch in her face necessary? No. Hell no. Then let's go to the beating in jail, VERY UNNECESSARY...I think that should be the prime focus for this investigation..though I feel the punch was uncalled for, what was seen inside the jail was the real brutality. And that's my two cents.

Personally, I don't think the punch was uncalled for. He was being shoved... it was two on one. I think the cop needed to act quickly.

crazydoctor said:

missfee said:

Okay, just got to review the vid on my lunch break. I don't get why the young lady was getting arrested for jaywalking but anywho, be that as it may, she shouldn't have resisted arrest...for THAT reason alone I can see why the officer had to use force, but her friend shouldn't have shoved him. Knowing this information I still think the officer went overboard punching her. Should she had been arrested for shoving him, yes, but was the punch in her face necessary? No. Hell no. Then let's go to the beating in jail, VERY UNNECESSARY...I think that should be the prime focus for this investigation..though I feel the punch was uncalled for, what was seen inside the jail was the real brutality. And that's my two cents.

Personally, I don't think the punch was uncalled for. He was being shoved... it was two on one. I think the cop needed to act quickly.

Okay well that's your opinion, I still stick to my opinion though.