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No murder charge in prince's death Investigation Discussion - Continued - Part 7

Other thread has gotten wayy too long. The discussion will continue here.


Link from Part 5: http://prince.org/msg/7/453739

Link from Part 6: http://prince.org/msg/7/453931


Do not derail the thread, stick to the topic. TROLLING will be dealt with harshly.


Be civil. All rules apply.

Thanks.


Carver County Sheriff's Office link: https://www.co.carver.mn....estigation



WARNING: Do NOT post the death picture of Prince (blurred or not), show respect. Those that do will be dealt with harshly.


Press Conference video:
http://video.startribune....480279253/



This thread has gotten too long. Continue discussion on Part 8 - http://prince.org/msg/7/454061

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Reply #1 posted 04/22/18 11:22am

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Thanks. Meron, Phaedra and Kirk look shady

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Reply #2 posted 04/22/18 11:23am

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I don't know how to post from previous threads.

Just want to say I agree 100% with PennyPurple comment within post #800 in part6
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Reply #3 posted 04/22/18 11:24am

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Thanks. Meron, Phaedra and Kirk look shady

Very Shady, but they are the ones who will have to live with what they have done or didn't do..

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Reply #4 posted 04/22/18 11:25am

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nelcp777 said:


Thanks. Meron, Phaedra and Kirk look shady



Very Shady, but they are the ones who will have to live with what they have done or didn't do..


I'm guessing that is what Metz was alluding to in press conference.
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Reply #5 posted 04/22/18 11:27am

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Thanks, Luv4U; I know it's gotta be hard for you to stay on top of this! biggrin

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Reply #6 posted 04/22/18 11:28am

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From Part 6.......

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disch said:

I get it, I just don't see the connection to Prince's death, because whatever their intent or thoughts or whatever were, was complely irrelevant to Prince's death. My interest is really in Prince's life and death and the people and actiond that contributed to his death; whatever Andrew and his dad's process was does not contribute in any way to my understanding of Prince's death.

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cloveringold85 said:

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You seem to be missing the point I am trying to make here. I'm talking about their actions (intent) leading up to finding Prince in the elevator, not the time when Andrew arrived. I know they aren't responsible for Prince's death, because they weren't there.

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I have read Andrew's interview with the detectives and a lot of what he said does not make sense. Even the detective indicated the same, and he questioned why Andrew was carrying those drugs and if he could not administer them, then what would be the point in having them? I shouldn't have to explain this.

[Edited 4/21/18 13:31pm]

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Cloveringold85 said:

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And, I agree with that. I'm just a person who values someone's character. Maybe some of you don't look at it that way, but I do. It comes down to morals and ethics, especially when providing care to a very sick person or someone who is having a "grave medical emergency", as Dr. Kornfeld put it. For Dr. Kornfeld to even consider sending his med student Son on a mission like that, just tells me this is not a man who thinks clearly. Personally, I think it was all about the money; always the money!! These doctors saw dollar signs in their eyes -- and Prince is gone. sad

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Reply #7 posted 04/22/18 11:30am

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Penny, I have the utmost respect for you for saying this......& I could not agree more!!

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PennyPurple said:

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After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.


1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.


2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.


This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.


And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.


And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.


Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.

The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.


The above is my opinion.

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Reply #8 posted 04/22/18 11:33am

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cloveringold85 said:

Penny, I have the utmost respect for you for saying this.....& I could not agree more!!



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PennyPurple said:


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After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.



1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.



2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.



This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.



And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.




And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.



Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.


The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.



The above is my opinion.




Thanks clover. This is what I was responding to in above post.
Agreed 100%
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kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

Very Shady, but they are the ones who will have to live with what they have done or didn't do..

I'm guessing that is what Metz was alluding to in press conference.


No where in the press conference was Metz alluding to anyone, no one.

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Thanks, Luv4U; I know it's gotta be hard for you to stay on top of this! biggrin


You're welcome cool

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Reply #11 posted 04/22/18 11:35am

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kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

Very Shady, but they are the ones who will have to live with what they have done or didn't do..

I'm guessing that is what Metz was alluding to in press conference.

Yes, I think so too. He knows he just can't do anything about it.


And the people who wouldn't talk or return phone calls to the police astounds me. I would be too afraid not to call them back. (Kim B, Phaedra).

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luv4u said:

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said: I'm guessing that is what Metz was alluding to in press conference.


No where in the press conference was Metz alluding to anyone, no one.

No names were mentioned.

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Reply #13 posted 04/22/18 11:36am

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luv4u said:

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said: I'm guessing that is what Metz was alluding to in press conference.


No where in the press conference was Metz alluding to anyone, no one.

Agree.

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kmama07 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Penny, I have the utmost respect for you for saying this......& I could not agree more!!

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PennyPurple said:

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After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.


1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.


2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.


This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.


And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.


And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.


Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.

The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.


The above is my opinion.

Thanks clover. This is what I was responding to in above post. Agreed 100% [Edited 4/22/18 11:34am]

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No problem! I saw your post. wink biggrin

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Reply #15 posted 04/22/18 11:38am

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luv4u said:



kmama07 said:


PennyPurple said:


Very Shady, but they are the ones who will have to live with what they have done or didn't do..



I'm guessing that is what Metz was alluding to in press conference.


No where in the press conference was Metz alluding to anyone, no one.


Ok. I'll rephrase.
He did say they couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt where or from whom drugs were obtained. So I was wondering (after reading the over 200 pg report) if that is what he was talking about. Not accusing...just a thought that crossed my mind while reading the report
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Reply #16 posted 04/22/18 11:42am

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PennyPurple said:

luv4u said:


No where in the press conference was Metz alluding to anyone, no one.

No names were mentioned.

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Metz said Prince's enablers were Dr. Schulenberg and Kirk. And, it probably pained him to tell everyone that no arrests will occur, because they were unable to find the source of the illegal pills.

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Now, this is not to say that individual investigator's won't continue to take statements and do their own investigative work. We can only hope.

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If someone is responsible for given Prince those pills, they need to be held accountable. If not by Man, then by God -- some day.

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Reply #17 posted 04/22/18 11:46am

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cloveringold85 said:

Penny, I have the utmost respect for you for saying this......& I could not agree more!!

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PennyPurple said:

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After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.


1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.


2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.


This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.


And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.


And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.


Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.

The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.


The above is my opinion.

In the report Andrew stated that he saw Prince inside the elevator, laying on his side, like he had just layed down. (As opposed to having fall down, I guess?)
Then later in the report it says Kirk takes Chief Johnson (the medical staff that arrived at the scene) to the elevator and Chief Johnson states that Prince is lying on his back with the arms down to his sides.
I know there are 200 odd pages in that report and I'm still reading it, but is this right or did I read it wrong?

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kmama07 said:

luv4u said:


No where in the press conference was Metz alluding to anyone, no one.

Ok. I'll rephrase. He did say they couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt where or from whom drugs were obtained. So I was wondering (after reading the over 200 pg report) if that is what he was talking about. Not accusing...just a thought that crossed my mind while reading the report


It's possible

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Reply #19 posted 04/22/18 11:56am

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i feel bad that we ORGers were likely also part of why he drove himself so hard and worked so hard at keeping up his image when he was feeling so bad.

we can blame his close associates all we like, but the truth is that Prince is known to have spent time on this site and there were some truly malicious things said about him here.

maybe he felt he coulodn't let his guard down with so many ugly ill-wishers lurking around, poking fun at everything from his hair to his music.

i'm sorry i ever even posted on those joke threads about did he have a rib removed? does he really have six toes? and so on.

i never really believed he was here. nor that he was in any way at all emotionally or physically fragile.

going forward in life i'm going to be super extra careful what i say - even in jest - to anyone here and elsewhere. sad

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I don't like what I'm reading about Phaedra. Can this get any worse? disbelief

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Phaedra is looking like the shadiest and most unprofessional of them all! In the interview with Mariah (former assistant before Meron), it is revealed that Mariah would go and buy stuff that Prince wanted with her own money which was reimbursed at the end of the month. Instead of doing any sort of proper petty cash accounting or similar for this stuff, Phaedra let this be billed as income to Mariah, leaving Mariah responsible for paying taxes on an extra $100,000+. This is so unprofessional, sloppy and bush league. Someone else also said that she balked at paying the band what they were owed. I would never hire or do any business with Phaedra after reading this.

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Well she's going for the gusto now that she's doing this program with Jay-Z and Van Jones eek

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XxAxX said:

i feel bad that we ORGers were likely also part of why he drove himself so hard and worked so hard at keeping up his image when he was feeling so bad.

we can blame his close associates all we like, but the truth is that Prince is known to have spent time on this site and there were some truly malicious things said about him here.

maybe he felt he coulodn't let his guard down with so many ugly ill-wishers lurking around, poking fun at everything from his hair to his music.

i'm sorry i ever even posted on those joke threads about did he have a rib removed? does he really have six toes? and so on.

i never really believed he was here. nor that he was in any way at all emotionally or physically fragile.

going forward in life i'm going to be super extra careful what i say - even in jest - to anyone here and elsewhere. sad

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The Org was probably the least of Prince's worries, after reading how his associates treated him!! eek

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Reply #22 posted 04/22/18 12:09pm

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Surprised there wasn't more of a spotlight on the Weltons. Something always felt a little off about them--especially the God schtick. Usually, that's what happens, the stronger the faith in God, the bigger the hypocrisy. Also, how does Josh---a guy who tags along with his wife (and, let's face it, an unremarkable talent), get to become the center of things until the point at which he ends up producing a Prince album? Perhaps there's more to it. Two things about the aftermath: their police interview smacks of non-compliance. Their best friend and mentor has died but they want to cut things short because they have another appt. And, of course, the alleged paper shredding. Ask why it's being done first. Then why he's the one doing it.

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Reply #23 posted 04/22/18 12:09pm

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Where can i read the dr S interview file?
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This shit that is coming out now......you can't even write a movie script that could even come close!!

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These people around Prince were as shady as they come!! If this is true about Kirk removing Prince from bed, cleaning him and dressing him, then putting him in the elevator....... eek

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I am SO done with these people!! mad

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When JH approached Phaedra about Prince's pill use, she laughed it off!! mad

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I hope to God that this is not true!!

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Prince fired KJ many times, because he could not do his job!!

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Reply #25 posted 04/22/18 12:11pm

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The Carver County Sheriff has updated the files, so it won't take as long to download:

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https://www.co.carver.mn....estigation

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cloveringold85 said:

This shit that is coming out now.....you can't even write a movie script that could even come close!!


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These people around Prince were as shady as they come!! If this is true about Kirk removing Prince from bed, cleaning him and dressing him, then putting him in the elevator..... eek


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I am SO done with these people!! mad


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When JH approached Phaedra about Prince's pill use, she laughed it off!! mad


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I hope to God that this is not true!!


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Prince fired KJ many times, because he could not do his job!!




Where does it stand that Kirk did this? Is that in the files? I thought from the very beginning that this Dude is shady
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cloveringold85 said:

This shit that is coming out now......you can't even write a movie script that could even come close!!

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These people around Prince were as shady as they come!! If this is true about Kirk removing Prince from bed, cleaning him and dressing him, then putting him in the elevator....... eek

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I am SO done with these people!! mad

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When JH approached Phaedra about Prince's pill use, she laughed it off!! mad

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I hope to God that this is not true!!

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Prince fired KJ many times, because he could not do his job!!

Shady as I don't know what ... Readng on page 173 that the chef ... the chef was an opiate addict in recovery and had a prescription for suboxone (a prescription used to treat opiate addiction) eek

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Reply #28 posted 04/22/18 12:16pm

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New article from the Star-Tribune, publuished about an hour ago:

Those close to Prince worried about his use of painkillers for years: The star's insistence on privacy may have kept help at bay.

Source: http://www.startribune.co...480428763/

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Excerpt:

"Federal, state and county law enforcement officers spent almost two years interviewing Prince's associates, employees, family members and medical personnel while trying to trace the source of the fentanyl that killed him. They got nowhere. Pieced together, however, their legwork reveals a superstar who thought his privacy would protect him but, in the end, kept help at bay."

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Reply #29 posted 04/22/18 12:19pm

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MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

Penny, I have the utmost respect for you for saying this......& I could not agree more!!

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PennyPurple said:

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After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.


1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.


2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.


This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.


And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.


And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.


Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.

The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.


The above is my opinion.

In the report Andrew stated that he saw Prince inside the elevator, laying on his side, like he had just layed down. (As opposed to having fall down, I guess?)
Then later in the report it says Kirk takes Chief Johnson (the medical staff that arrived at the scene) to the elevator and Chief Johnson states that Prince is lying on his back with the arms down to his sides.
I know there are 200 odd pages in that report and I'm still reading it, but is this right or did I read it wrong?

Nope. I read the same thing was like, hold up ... paramedics said upon arrival he was OUTSIDE the elevator (after being moved by Johnson) but his left hand was on the floor and right had on his abdomen ... AND he was "stiff" (couldn't move limbs) ... soooo ummm how were arms down to his sides INSIDE the elevator but after the body was moved they somehow became "moveable"???? That's crime scene 101: NEVER MOVE THE BODY!!!!

[Edited 4/22/18 12:20pm]

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