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Reply #30 posted 04/22/18 12:22pm

MMJas

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cloveringold85 said:

This shit that is coming out now......you can't even write a movie script that could even come close!!

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These people around Prince were as shady as they come!! If this is true about Kirk removing Prince from bed, cleaning him and dressing him, then putting him in the elevator....... eek

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I am SO done with these people!! mad

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When JH approached Phaedra about Prince's pill use, she laughed it off!! mad

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I hope to God that this is not true!!

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Prince fired KJ many times, because he could not do his job!!

If that indeed happened, which we don't know if it did, it was out of love, imo. Not wanting Prince to being found out that way.

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Reply #31 posted 04/22/18 12:25pm

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bondno9 said:

cloveringold85 said:

This shit that is coming out now......you can't even write a movie script that could even come close!!

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These people around Prince were as shady as they come!! If this is true about Kirk removing Prince from bed, cleaning him and dressing him, then putting him in the elevator....... eek

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I am SO done with these people!! mad

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When JH approached Phaedra about Prince's pill use, she laughed it off!! mad

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I hope to God that this is not true!!

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Prince fired KJ many times, because he could not do his job!!

Shady as I don't know what ... Readng on page 173 that the chef ... the chef was an opiate addict in recovery and had a prescription for suboxone (a prescription used to treat opiate addiction) eek

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Ray Roberts? eek

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Reply #32 posted 04/22/18 12:26pm

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cloveringold85 said:

This shit that is coming out now......you can't even write a movie script that could even come close!!

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These people around Prince were as shady as they come!! If this is true about Kirk removing Prince from bed, cleaning him and dressing him, then putting him in the elevator....... eek

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I am SO done with these people!! mad

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When JH approached Phaedra about Prince's pill use, she laughed it off!! mad

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I hope to God that this is not true!!

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Prince fired KJ many times, because he could not do his job!!

this is the problem, so many people with so many agendas and some flat out lies that make it hard to decipher anything. how do we know if sheila is telling the truth when she says it was someone she couldn't remember who told her that, if someone told her that she would have remembered.

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Reply #33 posted 04/22/18 12:27pm

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206Michelle said:

New article from the Star-Tribune, publuished about an hour ago:

Those close to Prince worried about his use of painkillers for years: The star's insistence on privacy may have kept help at bay.

Source: http://www.startribune.co...480428763/

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Excerpt:

"Federal, state and county law enforcement officers spent almost two years interviewing Prince's associates, employees, family members and medical personnel while trying to trace the source of the fentanyl that killed him. They got nowhere. Pieced together, however, their legwork reveals a superstar who thought his privacy would protect him but, in the end, kept help at bay."

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They lied and covered it up. What lovely people they are! mad

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Reply #34 posted 04/22/18 12:29pm

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bondno9 said:

MMJas said:

In the report Andrew stated that he saw Prince inside the elevator, laying on his side, like he had just layed down. (As opposed to having fall down, I guess?)
Then later in the report it says Kirk takes Chief Johnson (the medical staff that arrived at the scene) to the elevator and Chief Johnson states that Prince is lying on his back with the arms down to his sides.
I know there are 200 odd pages in that report and I'm still reading it, but is this right or did I read it wrong?

Nope. I read the same thing was like, hold up ... paramedics said upon arrival he was OUTSIDE the elevator (after being moved by Johnson) but his left hand was on the floor and right had on his abdomen ... AND he was "stiff" (couldn't move limbs) ... soooo ummm how were arms down to his sides INSIDE the elevator but after the body was moved they somehow became "moveable"???? That's crime scene 101: NEVER MOVE THE BODY!!!!

[Edited 4/22/18 12:20pm]

So according to Andrew Kirk went to find Prince alone. He came back looking nervous, like he had interrupted Prince (Andrew's words) and then Kirk and Meron went to look for Prince, while Andrew stayed. He heard her scream, followed the sound and saw Prince inside the elevator, laying on his side, like he had intentionally laid down.

Then later Chief Johnson is taken by Kirk to the elevator, which was closed. Kirk opened it and saw Prince laying on his back, with arms on his sides.

Then later still paramedics arrive and find that after Chief Johnson dragged the body out of the elevator (because he felt the body was warm and he could still be alive), Prince was laying on his back and his right arm felt stiff.

Is this right? It's all a bit confusing to me...

[Edited 4/22/18 12:31pm]

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Reply #35 posted 04/22/18 12:31pm

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bondno9 said:

MMJas said:

In the report Andrew stated that he saw Prince inside the elevator, laying on his side, like he had just layed down. (As opposed to having fall down, I guess?)
Then later in the report it says Kirk takes Chief Johnson (the medical staff that arrived at the scene) to the elevator and Chief Johnson states that Prince is lying on his back with the arms down to his sides.
I know there are 200 odd pages in that report and I'm still reading it, but is this right or did I read it wrong?

Nope. I read the same thing was like, hold up ... paramedics said upon arrival he was OUTSIDE the elevator (after being moved by Johnson) but his left hand was on the floor and right had on his abdomen ... AND he was "stiff" (couldn't move limbs) ... soooo ummm how were arms down to his sides INSIDE the elevator but after the body was moved they somehow became "moveable"???? That's crime scene 101: NEVER MOVE THE BODY!!!!

[Edited 4/22/18 12:20pm]

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I thought Prince's body was removed by first responders; the Fire Chief? Then, when EMT got there, they took his body out of the elevator to try and resuscitate him?

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I must have missed the part where JK moved Prince out of the elevator. eek

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Andrew Kornfeld said in his questioning that the staff had gone looking for Prince, and he could hear interactions going on for a few minutes, until he realized what had happened, and he made the 911 Call.

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Excuse my french, but this is really fucked-up!!

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Reply #36 posted 04/22/18 12:33pm

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PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

This shit that is coming out now......you can't even write a movie script that could even come close!!

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These people around Prince were as shady as they come!! If this is true about Kirk removing Prince from bed, cleaning him and dressing him, then putting him in the elevator....... eek

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I am SO done with these people!! mad

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When JH approached Phaedra about Prince's pill use, she laughed it off!! mad

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I hope to God that this is not true!!

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Prince fired KJ many times, because he could not do his job!!

this is the problem, so many people with so many agendas and some flat out lies that make it hard to decipher anything. how do we know if sheila is telling the truth when she says it was someone she couldn't remember who told her that, if someone told her that she would have remembered.

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It's hard to imagine there are people this evil in the world. I'm sorry that Prince had to deal with these disgusting people! Did he even have one true friend??

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Exactly! Sheila can't remember? You don't forget something like that!!

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Reply #37 posted 04/22/18 12:34pm

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[quote]Also in the documents when Tyka was questioned she claimed she knew nothing of Prince battling dependency or having health issues but can sit her backwards ass on national television and claim she knew her brother was dying for two years.

Ya'll I said this months ago that what Tyka did in this interviews was Just fishing the fans for Money.
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Reply #38 posted 04/22/18 12:36pm

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MMJas said:

bondno9 said:

Nope. I read the same thing was like, hold up ... paramedics said upon arrival he was OUTSIDE the elevator (after being moved by Johnson) but his left hand was on the floor and right had on his abdomen ... AND he was "stiff" (couldn't move limbs) ... soooo ummm how were arms down to his sides INSIDE the elevator but after the body was moved they somehow became "moveable"???? That's crime scene 101: NEVER MOVE THE BODY!!!!

[Edited 4/22/18 12:20pm]

So according to Andrew Kirk went to find Prince alone. He came back looking nervous, like he had interrupted Prince (Andrew's words) and then Kirk and Meron went to look for Prince, while Andrew stayed. He heard her scream, followed the sound and saw Prince inside the elevator, laying on his side, like he had intentionally laid down.

Then later Chief Johnson is taken by Kirk to the elevator, which was closed. Kirk opened it and saw Prince laying on his back, with arms on his sides.

Then later still paramedics arrive and find that after Chief Johnson dragged the body out of the elevator (because he felt the body was warm and he could still be alive), Prince was laying on his back and his right arm felt stiff.

Is this right? It's all a bit confusing to me...

[Edited 4/22/18 12:31pm]

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..........Yes, that is how I read it.

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It almost sounds like Kirk saw Prince laying there, and he went into shock and didn't know what to do. When you see something so horrific like that, your mind doesn't want to believe what your eyes are seeing!!

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Reply #39 posted 04/22/18 12:37pm

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cloveringold85 said:

bondno9 said:

Shady as I don't know what ... Readng on page 173 that the chef ... the chef was an opiate addict in recovery and had a prescription for suboxone (a prescription used to treat opiate addiction) eek

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Ray Roberts? eek

Yep!

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Reply #40 posted 04/22/18 12:38pm

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cloveringold85 said:



206Michelle said:


New article from the Star-Tribune, publuished about an hour ago:


Those close to Prince worried about his use of painkillers for years: The star's insistence on privacy may have kept help at bay.





Source: http://www.startribune.co...480428763/


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Excerpt:


"Federal, state and county law enforcement officers spent almost two years interviewing Prince's associates, employees, family members and medical personnel while trying to trace the source of the fentanyl that killed him. They got nowhere. Pieced together, however, their legwork reveals a superstar who thought his privacy would protect him but, in the end, kept help at bay."




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They lied and covered it up. What lovely people they are! mad


This is so hard to read neutral i will not trust or listen 2 sheila e for a while now
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Reply #41 posted 04/22/18 12:38pm

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Dude: Don't even get me started with Tyka!! mad

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Fishing.....exactly!! Really disgusting to do this to a loved one!

ThatWhiteDude said:

Also in the documents when Tyka was questioned she claimed she knew nothing of Prince battling dependency or having health issues but can sit her backwards ass on national television and claim she knew her brother was dying for two years. Ya'll I said this months ago that what Tyka did in this interviews was Just fishing the fans for Money.

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Reply #42 posted 04/22/18 12:40pm

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Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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They lied and covered it up. What lovely people they are! mad

This is so hard to read neutral i will not trust or listen 2 sheila e for a while now

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She's not one to be trusted, just like the other's. I'm not sure about JH, because I don't think she knew Prince all that well, and she was in shock and confused. But, Sheila telling her not to talk? I just don't know with these people anymore!! mad

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Reply #43 posted 04/22/18 12:42pm

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MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

Penny, I have the utmost respect for you for saying this......& I could not agree more!!

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PennyPurple said:

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After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.


1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.


2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.


This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.


And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.


And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.


Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.

The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.


The above is my opinion.

In the report Andrew stated that he saw Prince inside the elevator, laying on his side, like he had just layed down. (As opposed to having fall down, I guess?)
Then later in the report it says Kirk takes Chief Johnson (the medical staff that arrived at the scene) to the elevator and Chief Johnson states that Prince is lying on his back with the arms down to his sides.
I know there are 200 odd pages in that report and I'm still reading it, but is this right or did I read it wrong?

If rigor had set in, then the arms couldn't have moved that easily or at all.

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Reply #44 posted 04/22/18 12:47pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Also in the documents when Tyka was questioned she claimed she knew nothing of Prince battling dependency or having health issues but can sit her backwards ass on national television and claim she knew her brother was dying for two years. Ya'll I said this months ago that what Tyka did in this interviews was Just fishing the fans for Money.

Something does not make sense. Surely the Police must have questioned her over that TV interview, after she had claiming to know nothing in the report...

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Reply #45 posted 04/22/18 12:48pm

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I'm also wondering why the Police would just let people into PP while Prince was still laying there? Shouldn't they have told people they couldn't come in? The Weltons were there, Tyka and her family showed up.


I think it should've been, no in, no one out.

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Reply #46 posted 04/22/18 12:49pm

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His body was moved out of the elevator by the fire department guy who was the first emergency person to arrive. They performed resuscitation efforts in him and there’s no way they’d have the space to do what inside th elevator. This stuff is in the police report. There’s nothing in there about Kirk or anyone moving his body from the bedroom. Theys just online gossip stuff.

bondno9 said:



MMJas said:




cloveringold85 said:


Penny, I have the utmost respect for you for saying this.....& I could not agree more!!



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PennyPurple said:


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After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.



1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.



2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.



This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.



And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.




And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.



Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.


The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.



The above is my opinion.





In the report Andrew stated that he saw Prince inside the elevator, laying on his side, like he had just layed down. (As opposed to having fall down, I guess?)
Then later in the report it says Kirk takes Chief Johnson (the medical staff that arrived at the scene) to the elevator and Chief Johnson states that Prince is lying on his back with the arms down to his sides.
I know there are 200 odd pages in that report and I'm still reading it, but is this right or did I read it wrong?




Nope. I read the same thing was like, hold up ... paramedics said upon arrival he was OUTSIDE the elevator (after being moved by Johnson) but his left hand was on the floor and right had on his abdomen ... AND he was "stiff" (couldn't move limbs) ... soooo ummm how were arms down to his sides INSIDE the elevator but after the body was moved they somehow became "moveable"???? That's crime scene 101: NEVER MOVE THE BODY!!!!

[Edited 4/22/18 12:20pm]

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Reply #47 posted 04/22/18 12:49pm

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MMJas said:

If that indeed happened, which we don't know if it did, it was out of love, imo. Not wanting Prince to being found out that way.

Out of love to clean him up redress him and throw him in the elevator?

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Reply #48 posted 04/22/18 12:52pm

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cloveringold85 said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


cloveringold85 said:


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They lied and covered it up. What lovely people they are! mad



This is so hard to read neutral i will not trust or listen 2 sheila e for a while now

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She's not one to be trusted, just like the other's. I'm not sure about JH, because I don't think she knew Prince all that well, and she was in shock and confused. But, Sheila telling her not to talk? I just don't know with these people anymore!! mad




JH was new in the camp/girlfriend so i don't really blame her on anything, to me she was the most sincere out of all of them
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Reply #49 posted 04/22/18 12:53pm

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PennyPurple said:

MMJas said:

If that indeed happened, which we don't know if it did, it was out of love, imo. Not wanting Prince to being found out that way.

Out of love to clean him up redress him and throw him in the elevator?

Again, we don't know if that happened, Penny. It's theory. A supposition, But if it did, would it not be so Prince would not be found naked/vomited/soiled/whatever?

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Reply #50 posted 04/22/18 12:54pm

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I really don't think JH was his girlfriend. She didn't seem to know very much, even the side of the bed he slept on.

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Reply #51 posted 04/22/18 12:55pm

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PennyPurple said:

I really don't think JH was his girlfriend. She didn't seem to know very much, even the side of the bed he slept on.

Yes, that was strange, she not immediately responding left or right to the question on what side of the bed did he sleep on.

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Reply #52 posted 04/22/18 12:57pm

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PennyPurple said:



MMJas said:




cloveringold85 said:


Penny, I have the utmost respect for you for saying this.....& I could not agree more!!



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PennyPurple said:


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After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.



1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.



2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.



This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.



And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.




And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.



Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.


The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.



The above is my opinion.





In the report Andrew stated that he saw Prince inside the elevator, laying on his side, like he had just layed down. (As opposed to having fall down, I guess?)
Then later in the report it says Kirk takes Chief Johnson (the medical staff that arrived at the scene) to the elevator and Chief Johnson states that Prince is lying on his back with the arms down to his sides.
I know there are 200 odd pages in that report and I'm still reading it, but is this right or did I read it wrong?



If rigor had set in, then the arms couldn't have moved that easily or at all.



I think they tipped him over on his back when they pulled him out of the elevator. In the pictures you can see his right arm is not laying close to his body, but standing out due to rigor mortis.
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Reply #53 posted 04/22/18 12:58pm

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PennyPurple said:

I really don't think JH was his girlfriend. She didn't seem to know very much, even the side of the bed he slept on.


Well who knows, from her interview when she told the police to speak to all of his previous girlfriends she said Andy allo was with him before her
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Reply #54 posted 04/22/18 12:58pm

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PennyPurple said:



MMJas said:








If that indeed happened, which we don't know if it did, it was out of love, imo. Not wanting Prince to being found out that way.



Out of love to clean him up redress him and throw him in the elevator?





If prince was soiled in some fashion and Kirk cleaned him and or changed his clothes, wouldn't the dirty clothes and or towels used to clean him be somewhere? And I thought he had been wearing the exact clothing he had last been seen in. It would have been hard for Kirk to do all that and redress him as he had been dressed the night before...it is interesting that it seems no one can remember what he looked like, seems to me that would be a detailed image that you would never be able to forget...but apparently the whole damn bunch has some type of amnesia
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Reply #55 posted 04/22/18 1:01pm

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With all that's coming out right now, I'm starting to side with Penny regarding the associates, tho I'd make some exceptions.......like the people who got blocked when they tried to reach out for him. I can't blame them for things they didn't have the power to prevent.

But I never fully trusted Kirk and now I really start to hate this guy. I'm downloading the rest of the files now.

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Reply #56 posted 04/22/18 1:03pm

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said:

Out of love to clean him up redress him and throw him in the elevator?

If prince was soiled in some fashion and Kirk cleaned him and or changed his clothes, wouldn't the dirty clothes and or towels used to clean him be somewhere? And I thought he had been wearing the exact clothing he had last been seen in. It would have been hard for Kirk to do all that and redress him as he had been dressed the night before...it is interesting that it seems no one can remember what he looked like, seems to me that would be a detailed image that you would never be able to forget...but apparently the whole damn bunch has some type of amnesia

.....but apparently the whole damn bunch has some type of amnesia....

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yup, every one of them it seems.


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Reply #57 posted 04/22/18 1:03pm

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PennyPurple said:

I'm also wondering why the Police would just let people into PP while Prince was still laying there? Shouldn't they have told people they couldn't come in? The Weltons were there, Tyka and her family showed up.


I think it should've been, no in, no one out.

They were not inside.

They were outside of PP.

This thread has now turned into hysteria.

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Reply #58 posted 04/22/18 1:08pm

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paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

If rigor had set in, then the arms couldn't have moved that easily or at all.

I think they tipped him over on his back when they pulled him out of the elevator. In the pictures you can see his right arm is not laying close to his body, but standing out due to rigor mortis.

The thing is, I think Andrew stated that before Prince was taken out of the elevator, he saw him laying down on his side.
And that Chief Johnson stated that when he arrived, Kirk lead him to the elevator, opened the door of the elevator and Chief Johnson saw Prince inside laying on his back, with arms to his side.

This was before he was dragged out.

There seem to be many discrepancies in the whole thing, imo.

[Edited 4/22/18 13:10pm]

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Reply #59 posted 04/22/18 1:09pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

I'm also wondering why the Police would just let people into PP while Prince was still laying there? Shouldn't they have told people they couldn't come in? The Weltons were there, Tyka and her family showed up.


I think it should've been, no in, no one out.

They were not inside.

They were outside of PP.

This thread has now turned into hysteria.

Agree.

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