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These are the investigations files released by the Carver County Sheriff's office on the overdose death of Prince.

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Reply #151 posted 04/22/18 4:37pm

poppys said:

Prince was spinning that what made him sick was the shot that woke him up. That's classic subterfuge. He was doing it for days after with Kirk and Judith to take the focus off of what HE was taking because he promised to go get tested in Moline and wasn't doing it. Maybe he wanted her/didn't want her there.

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Prince was spinning that what made him sick was the shot that woke him up. That's classic subterfuge.

yeahthat I totally agree.

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Prince was spinning that what made him sick was the shot that woke him up. That's classic subterfuge. He was doing it for days after with Kirk and Judith to take the focus off of what HE was taking because he promised to go get tested in Moline and wasn't doing it. Maybe he wanted her/didn't want her there.

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I wondered why he was so set on finding out what they gave him, and kept asking.

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Reply #155 posted 04/22/18 4:49pm

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cloveringold85 said:

rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:

^^^^Sure, Prince was far from being perfect. None of us are. I come from a poor, broken home and was raised by my Mother who drank very heavily. I left home when I was 18. All of those things and life experiences has made me who I am today.

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Prince was dealing with chronic pain, and needed help. He is gone, because that help never came. We all know what mild-to-moderate pain is, but Prince was really suffering with bad, chronic pain that was probably too much to endure on his small body.

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When you can no longer do the things you love and enjoy life, the world becomes a lonely and sad place. Sure, Prince got sad and even depressed. Losing loved one's will make anyone sad, especially losing a newborn child.

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He stayed in Minneapolis because it was home to him. He couldn't imagine living anywhere else.

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Prince had a tough childhood, but he had a dream, a talent and worked his ass off, and made something of himself. He rose above all of that. He was and will continue to be a great inspiration around the world. He was a prime example how you can come from virtually nothing, and change your life around.

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He made the world a better place, because he was a part of it. He did SO much for people, especially his associates, and they all should be ashamed of themselves and their behavior in these past 2-years.....grueling 2-years!!

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It certainly did not have to end this way.

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Got this off my chest now, Whew!!

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A couple years ago I slipped on some ice in my sister’s driveway on Christmas Day. I fell backwards, hit my head on the pavement and suffered a concussion. For days I had the worst possible headache you could imagine. I was so sick I couldn’t keep water down. I ended up in urgent care on IVs to stop the nausea. It was awful. I can’t even begin to imagine what Prince was going through and what he did so he could get up on stage and perform like nothing was wrong. Over the last 2 years I’ve seen so many videos of performances from the last 10 years or so. His singing and playing and band leading were always second to none. Whatever he was struggling with he didn’t bring it to the stage and it didn’t impact his voice or playing of instruments. Even the Piano and Microphone shows his voice and piano playing were amazing. That makes me respect and be in awe of him more than ever.

I'm so sorry. What a horrific experience that must have been for you. Glad you are okay now!

The way Prince sang in Atlanta -- his voice was amazing! He gave us his ALL, right up until the very end. If you listen to his voice on the new release of NC2U and compare it to how his voice sounded 2-years ago.....I was like, damn, his voice never changed -- I would say it even got better over the years!

Thank you, no long term issues for me, thankfully. I remember Lenny Kravitz marveling in a radio interview (I think it was on the day of Prince’s passing) about how his guitar playing was better than ever and his voice never moved. When you think about how many artists can’t even sing their songs in the same key anymore...Bon Jovi plays Living on a Prayer in a lower key and Jon still can’t sing the chorus, he farms it out to the fans. Prince was still hitting the high notes to the very end. The painkiller issue is so sad because in many other ways Prince was careful what he put in his body. He didn’t smoke, didn’t drink much other than sometimes wine or champagne, ate healthy. I do think that’s one reason his voice remained so strong up until the very end.

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Reply #156 posted 04/22/18 4:50pm

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cloveringold85 said:

Penny, I have the utmost respect for you for saying this.....& I could not agree more!!

PennyPurple said:

After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.

1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.

2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.

This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.

And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.

And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.

Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.

The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.

The above is my opinion.

Co-sign, Penny! And the ones singing KJ’s praises from the “CELEBRATION”?!?! Seriously?! You folk are DISGUSTING

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Reply #157 posted 04/22/18 4:50pm

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Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I thought Kirk carried Prince off the plane?

There is some confusion here...

If you read Judiths account, when they carried Prince off

the emts each took a limb ???

PAGES 19 and 20 of this document describes taking him out to the Ambulance

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4442869-Judith-Hill-statement.html#document/p1

I found that strange while reading it

1) Becasue Prince was such a light weight

2) I have read that Kirk Carried him on and one persons account was that he carried him

as if he was a small child or a Baby

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Reply #158 posted 04/22/18 4:54pm

precioux

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PennyPurple said:

Very Shady, but they are the ones who will have to live with what they have done or didn't do..

I'm guessing that is what Metz was alluding to in press conference.

No where in the press conference was Metz alluding to anyone, no one.

BS!
Listen to it again... Metz even went as far as to say he was not here to “morally judge”...and he legally could not charge anyone based on what he basically knew but could not prove in a court of law. He did not have the evidence...it was deleted, remember??

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Reply #160 posted 04/22/18 4:58pm

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PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

Prince was spinning that what made him sick was the shot that woke him up. That's classic subterfuge. He was doing it for days after with Kirk and Judith to take the focus off of what HE was taking because he promised to go get tested in Moline and wasn't doing it. Maybe he wanted her/didn't want her there.

I wondered why he was so set on finding out what they gave him, and kept asking.

Probably wanted to look up what it does, just like many of us have. And he was trying to get out in front of the story, even to Kirk and Judith. And avoid getting the tests by making it the Narcan's fault?

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Reply #161 posted 04/22/18 5:00pm

precioux

PennyPurple said:

luv4u said:

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said: I'm guessing that is what Metz was alluding to in press conference.

No where in the press conference was Metz alluding to anyone, no one.

No names were mentioned.

He mentioned and emphasized KJ (as well as DrS)SEVERAL times. He also admitted that he was not able to charge on his “hunches”..that the evidence simply was not there...and we all know (from the documents) the evidence was more than likely on that laptop..and erased

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Reply #162 posted 04/22/18 5:03pm

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"A guy in a black suit carrying a guy out of the airplane like you would carry a small child or a baby"

and according to Judith Hill

"everyone just picks up and arm and a leg and they all kind of like just carry him out into the Ambulance and onto the bed "

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Reply #163 posted 04/22/18 5:05pm

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Co-sign, Penny! And the ones singing KJ’s praises from the “CELEBRATION”?!?! Seriously?! You folk are DISGUSTING

I can't take this Celebration crap anymore, a lot of FAKE associates running around there.

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Reply #164 posted 04/22/18 5:08pm

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The chef said the meal was uneaten and left in one of the kitchens. However, in reviewing the video taken by Carver County Sheriff on 4/21 I noticed what appears to be a half eaten meal in two plastic "takeout" style containers. The containers are on a table near what appears to be a kitchen and also an "entertainment area" w/a couch and tv. On the table with the containers are also a pair of sunglasses, a set of keys, and a cd/dvd turned upside down. Is this the meal prepared by the chef? or another meal from outisde? Was it eaten by P eve of the 20th? If not, whom did it belong to along with the sunglasses and keys? And what was on the face down cd/dvd? Interesting ...

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Yes, I looked at that video too. I honestly can't tell if they've been eaten at all or not. The one with ?salad? also has writing on it but I can't make it out. The Chef did say he delivered food that evening as opposed to cooking anything there. I think the Chef said one of the items he made was a bisque?

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Reply #165 posted 04/22/18 5:11pm

poppys said:

206Michelle said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yea, and Kirk also carried Prince's body off the plane in Moline, which is odd as well. He should have let the Paramedics do that.

From Judith's interview, pp. 19-20

Source: http://www.documentcloud....ocument/p1

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I don't know who is saying that Kirk carried Prince's body off of the plane because Judith did not say that. I think that her testimony is her interview seems pretty credible.

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CN: Okay, okay so the plane is ah is finally getting down to the ground and what happens next?

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JH: We finally land and then the paramedics come onto the plane and, and they're very, to me in my opinion they were moving too slow, I was like, they're like okay we've heard that someone's unresponsive but oh they're still alive, I was just.it was frustrating me ..

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CN: Okay. .. finally they're like oh can we move this table and I was like is the ambulance here and

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JH: they're like they're five minutes out so it was like okay so you know, then they're like oh can we move this table, how do we get him out of his seat, I was like guys this is kind of an emergency

like, so finally their like, someone just like picks, someone, everybody just kind of picks up a leg and an arm and they all kind of just carry him out into the ambulance and get him onto the bed.

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CN: Okay so the first two people that showed up were separate from the actual ambulance showing up?

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JH: Yeah they were like paramedics ..

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CN: Okay.

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JH: .. they were not the ambulance.

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CN: in .. Okay, all right so you guys pick him up, you carry him out and you get him on the bed

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JH: Yeah.

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CN: .. and they put him in the ambulance um do you all go in the ambulance or who goes in the ambulance?

Judith said everybody picked him up. Maybe that included Kirk.

Sure, he could have been one of the people who carried Prince, but he wasn’t the only one.

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Reply #166 posted 04/22/18 5:14pm

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PennyPurple said:

I wondered why he was so set on finding out what they gave him, and kept asking.

Probably wanted to look up what it does, just like many of us have. And he was trying to get out in front of the story, even to Kirk and Judith. And avoid getting the tests by making it the Narcan's fault?

Yeah I don't remember it word for word but if I recall correctly Judith makes comments in the interview, something to the effect that Prince was fixated on the narcan as being the problem and what really messed him up that night and not what he took... that he said he was just "dreaming" and would have come out of it or something and she didn't want to argue with him at the time.

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Reply #167 posted 04/22/18 5:20pm

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jtfolden said:

poppys said:

Probably wanted to look up what it does, just like many of us have. And he was trying to get out in front of the story, even to Kirk and Judith. And avoid getting the tests by making it the Narcan's fault?

Yeah I don't remember it word for word but if I recall correctly Judith makes comments in the interview, something to the effect that Prince was fixated on the narcan as being the problem and what really messed him up that night and not what he took... that he said he was just "dreaming" and would have come out of it or something and she didn't want to argue with him at the time.

nod just let that sink in. Denial.

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Reply #168 posted 04/22/18 5:22pm

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#158 -- #162, where Omar states that Manuela told him that Kirk was deleting files off of Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents...... eek

#160 -- Gilbert Davidson (fmr pres of pp) was fired by Prince, for embezzling money, yet now works for Sheila E? WTF? eek

Meron skimming money from Prince?.........It just doesn't end!! rolleyes

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Reply #169 posted 04/22/18 5:26pm

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cloveringold85 said:

#158 -- #162, where Omar states that Manuela told him that Kirk was deleting files off of Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents......

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#160 -- Gilbert Davidson (fmr pres of pp) was fired by Prince, for embezzling money, yet now works for Sheila E? WTF?

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Meron skimming money from Prince?.........It just doesn't end!!

What I want to know is HOW Manuela knows Kirk was deleting files off Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents? She was not at Paisley Park. She was not in Prince's inner circle any more. There is no conceivable way that she could have had that information. And according to the press conference that Mayte gave shortly after, Mani was the one that called and told her about Prince, that Mani had heard it from the news too.

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cloveringold85 said:

#158 -- #162, where Omar states that Manuela told him that Kirk was deleting files off of Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents..... eek

#160 -- Gilbert Davidson (fmr pres of pp) was fired by Prince, for embezzling money, yet now works for Sheila E? WTF? eek

Meron skimming money from Prince?.....It just doesn't end!! rolleyes

Davidson was also listed as a guest speaker at this years celebration. I think Sheila may be godmother to one of his kids...or something like that

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Reply #171 posted 04/22/18 5:29pm

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benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

#158 -- #162, where Omar states that Manuela told him that Kirk was deleting files off of Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents......

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#160 -- Gilbert Davidson (fmr pres of pp) was fired by Prince, for embezzling money, yet now works for Sheila E? WTF?

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Meron skimming money from Prince?.........It just doesn't end!!

What I want to know is HOW Manuela knows Kirk was deleting files off Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents? She was not at Paisley Park. She was not in Prince's inner circle any more. There is no conceivable way that she could have had that information. And according to the press conference that Mayte gave shortly after, Mani was the one that called and told her about Prince, that Mani had heard it from the news too.

THIS

I was just about to write something similar

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Reply #172 posted 04/22/18 5:34pm

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poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

I wondered why he was so set on finding out what they gave him, and kept asking.

Probably wanted to look up what it does, just like many of us have. And he was trying to get out in front of the story, even to Kirk and Judith. And avoid getting the tests by making it the Narcan's fault?

JT that is a good summary of what Judith said. I love Prince, but he was in denial about what caused his overdose. Judith and the narcan saved him.

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Reply #173 posted 04/22/18 5:34pm

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benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

#158 -- #162, where Omar states that Manuela told him that Kirk was deleting files off of Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents......

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#160 -- Gilbert Davidson (fmr pres of pp) was fired by Prince, for embezzling money, yet now works for Sheila E? WTF?

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Meron skimming money from Prince?.........It just doesn't end!!

What I want to know is HOW Manuela knows Kirk was deleting files off Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents? She was not at Paisley Park. She was not in Prince's inner circle any more. There is no conceivable way that she could have had that information. And according to the press conference that Mayte gave shortly after, Mani was the one that called and told her about Prince, that Mani had heard it from the news too.

I don't know where this stuff is coming from but it's crazy!

Omarr states that Prince cut ties with him because he left the JW and did not like their "cult" practices. Omarr states that Larry was Prince's "Handler", and got very defensive when Omarr showed concern for Prince.

I kinda feel bad for Omarr.

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Lovejunky said:

benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

#158 -- #162, where Omar states that Manuela told him that Kirk was deleting files off of Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents.....

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#160 -- Gilbert Davidson (fmr pres of pp) was fired by Prince, for embezzling money, yet now works for Sheila E? WTF?

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Meron skimming money from Prince?.....It just doesn't end!!

What I want to know is HOW Manuela knows Kirk was deleting files off Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents? She was not at Paisley Park. She was not in Prince's inner circle any more. There is no conceivable way that she could have had that information. And according to the press conference that Mayte gave shortly after, Mani was the one that called and told her about Prince, that Mani had heard it from the news too.

THIS

I was just about to write something similar

Interesting. However, I do believe what Mani said about P’s use of painkillers.

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Reply #175 posted 04/22/18 5:36pm

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What I want to know is HOW Manuela knows Kirk was deleting files off Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents? She was not at Paisley Park. She was not in Prince's inner circle any more. There is no conceivable way that she could have had that information. And according to the press conference that Mayte gave shortly after, Mani was the one that called and told her about Prince, that Mani had heard it from the news too.

Remember the little private memorial they had at PP just after he passed away?

The investigators confirmed that someone accessed Prince's computer and gmail account on 04/23/2016 and deleted all of his emails prior to 04/19/2016. So at least as far as deleting things off the computer, she was telling the truth.

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
cloveringold85 said:

#158 -- #162, where Omar states that Manuela told him that Kirk was deleting files off of Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents......

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#160 -- Gilbert Davidson (fmr pres of pp) was fired by Prince, for embezzling money, yet now works for Sheila E? WTF?

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Meron skimming money from Prince?.........It just doesn't end!!

Davidson was also listed as a guest speaker at this years celebration. I think Sheila may be godmother to one of his kids...or something like that

See what I mean about fake ass people? Now who in their right mind decided it was ok to invite him to the service and to be a guest speaker at the celebration?

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Reply #177 posted 04/22/18 5:39pm

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cloveringold85 said:

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I don't know where this stuff is coming from but it's crazy!

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Omarr states that Prince cut ties with him because he left the JW and did not like their "cult" practices. Omarr states that Larry was Prince's "Handler", and got very defensive when Omarr showed concern for Prince.

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I kinda feel bad for Omarr.

It's also in the files that Mani tried going to Larry because she was concerned about his usage of pain killers and that Larry told her she wasn't a doctor and to not try to diagnose.... What a friend he was... confused

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jtfolden said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I don't know where this stuff is coming from but it's crazy!

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Omarr states that Prince cut ties with him because he left the JW and did not like their "cult" practices. Omarr states that Larry was Prince's "Handler", and got very defensive when Omarr showed concern for Prince.

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I kinda feel bad for Omarr.

Weird because prince was at the kingdom hall in march 20th 2016

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Reply #179 posted 04/22/18 5:47pm

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PennyPurple said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
cloveringold85 said: Davidson was also listed as a guest speaker at this years celebration. I think Sheila may be godmother to one of his kids...or something like that

See what I mean about fake ass people? Now who in their right mind decided it was ok to invite him to the service and to be a guest speaker at the celebration?

I'm at a loss for words. I'm just shaking my head here. disbelief

The family is obviously cool with all of this, because they are allowed at PP. Sheila using her Butterfly with Prince's symbol has never sat right with me! mad

Dysfunction-central..... rolleyes

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