2elijah said:

That's just it, no one said he didn't believe in them, the OP states Prince would not have been as popular without them. I disagree, his name was out there before W&L joined his band. He may have used them for later projects after he fired them as 'band members' but if he needed them that bad for the direction he wanted to take with his music, he would have kept them as permanent band members if he felt they were badly needed for his career to survive, as well as his survival as a musician, but obviously he didn't feel that way, as is obvious, and only called on them for occasional projects, as many musicians do with ex-band members. Fact is, Prince moved on without them, and did just fine, no matter how much butter, cream, donuts, jam, cookies, sugar some W&L fans try to sprinkle on W&L not being part of his band anymore.

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Yeah, I hear u. I think why some people feel that way is P has been living off a lot of that music from that period. He plays greatest hits set lists when he plays to the masses. Many people only know P for the Revolution era. When he plays arenas people expect him to play the hits.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

2elijah said:

That's just it, no one said he didn't believe in them, the OP states Prince would not have been as popular without them. I disagree, his name was out there before W&L joined his band. He may have used them for later projects after he fired them as 'band members' but if he needed them that bad for the direction he wanted to take with his music, he would have kept them as permanent band members if he felt they were badly needed for his career to survive, as well as his survival as a musician, but obviously he didn't feel that way, as is obvious, and only called on them for occasional projects, as many musicians do with ex-band members. Fact is, Prince moved on without them, and did just fine, no matter how much butter, cream, donuts, jam, cookies, sugar some W&L fans try to sprinkle on W&L not being part of his band anymore.

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Yeah, I hear u. I think why some people feel that way is P has been living off a lot of that music from that period. He plays greatest hits set lists when he plays to the masses. Many people only know P for the Revolution era. When he plays arenas people expect him to play the hits.

Exactly, but it is his music, so he can live off of what is his, whether W&L 'may' have participated/performed on those songs, it's still his songs, and W&L still sing/perform some of those songs as well. on their own, but somehow there's some fans who think Prince can't survive in his music career, without the W&L hanging off his arm like an intravenous attached to him. It's obvious he moved past them along time ago. If he felt he needed them to 'stay on' with him, he would have kept them, but apparently he had his own plans for his own future, music career and it is obvious W&L was not going to be part of that. They had their time with him. He's moved on, and they've moved on. So if folks want to reminisce and listen to songs with P & W&L on it, dip into their catalogue and listen to it. I mean...seriously..what's the problem?

2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Yeah, I hear u. I think why some people feel that way is P has been living off a lot of that music from that period. He plays greatest hits set lists when he plays to the masses. Many people only know P for the Revolution era. When he plays arenas people expect him to play the hits.

Exactly, but it is his music, so he can live off of what is his, whether W&L 'may' have participated/performed on those songs, it's still his songs, and W&L still sing/perform some of those songs as well. on their own, but somehow there's some fans who think Prince can't survive in his music career, without the W&L hanging off his arm like an intravenous attached to him. It's obvious he moved past them along time ago. If he felt he needed them to 'stay on' with him, he would have kept them, but apparently he had his own plans for his own future, music career and it is obvious W&L was not going to be part of that. They had their time with him. He's moved on, and they've moved on. So if folks want to reminisce and listen to songs with P & W&L on it, dip into their catalogue and listen to it. I mean...seriously..what's the problem?

I can't speak for Prince or Wendy and Lisa. I can only provide a fans perspective.

I personally like a lot of P's work since the Revolution days and like Wendy and Lisa's music as well even though it doesn't sell as well as Prince music. Sales doesn't always mean great music to me, the Spice Girls sold 75 million records. Hell, to me the Original 7ven cd is 1000 times better than anything Spice did.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

2elijah said:

Exactly, but it is his music, so he can live off of what is his, whether W&L 'may' have participated/performed on those songs, it's still his songs, and W&L still sing/perform some of those songs as well. on their own, but somehow there's some fans who think Prince can't survive in his music career, without the W&L hanging off his arm like an intravenous attached to him. It's obvious he moved past them along time ago. If he felt he needed them to 'stay on' with him, he would have kept them, but apparently he had his own plans for his own future, music career and it is obvious W&L was not going to be part of that. They had their time with him. He's moved on, and they've moved on. So if folks want to reminisce and listen to songs with P & W&L on it, dip into their catalogue and listen to it. I mean...seriously..what's the problem?

I can't speak for Prince or Wendy and Lisa. I can only provide a fans perspective.

I personally like a lot of P's work since the Revolution days and like Wendy and Lisa's music as well even though it doesn't sell as well as Prince music. Sales doesn't always mean great music to me, the Spice Girls sold 75 million records. Hell, to me the Original 7ven cd is 1000 times better than anything Spice did.

Hey neither can I, I'm just giving my personal opinion on this thread regarding the OP's statement. Well, nothing wrong with having your own music tastes. I just don't agree with the OP's statement about Prince wouldn't have been as popular without W&L. No one knew who the heck W&L was, before they joined Prince's band, and his name was already out there. I agree that sales dooesn't always mean great music, so I don't really judge an aritst's music too much on how much they sell of it. If I like the sound, then I 'll buy the music. Many musicians change band members and move on, so I see no difference with Prince deciding to do the same. I never expected W&L or any of the band members he was associated with back in the 80s or 90s, to still be a part of his band or be with him forever. His name always stood alone with all the band members who performed with him;even in present day.

2elijah said:

Hey neither can I, I'm just giving my personal opinion on this thread regarding the OP's statement. Well, nothing wrong with having your own music tastes. I just don't agree with the OP's statement about Prince wouldn't have been as popular without W&L. No one knew who the heck W&L was, before they joined Prince's band, and his name was already out there.

It was almost 30 years ago. It was much more difficult for chicks to play guitar pro. That entire, the boys can rock harder than the girls. You had to have a set of balls to play guitar back then and get credit. The times have changed. I'm sure it would have been tough for W/L to make it in the early 80's. Imagine trying to crawl into that sexist cesspool.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I was ashamed of this one, the noituloveR was probably too

It was what it was. I found 100 copies of this and NPS at goodwill for 50 cents each. Target or bestbuy must have dumped them. Remember Chris Gaines(aka Garth Brooks) they had 100's of copies of that cd as well.

LOL omg I almost choked when I read this lol 50cents

I remember when I first saw it, I just felt so sorry for Prince

Then I listened and almost cried

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

We are talking about protege's and you keep bring up Wendy & Lisa, maybe you should call them up and tell them this stuff lol

Where in that was I talking about W&L

this part of the conversation, that I and other were having was about Prince's (extension of music via the proteges) not about W&L

anyone can be replaced but no one really can be replaced as Angel345 said. We might add new people in but if it was good it can't be replaced.

As U said "but hey to each their own"

I just have a different idea of individual people and their purpose gifts and talents. No 1 person is the same, therefore cannot be replaced.

LOL I'm loving the blue eyed Africans...seriously

This thread is about W&L is it not? (see title of thread). Oh and no thanks, I have no desire to call W&L. How 'bout you call up Prince and try telling some bullcrap that he can't survive musically without W&L?

His band members have been replaced several times, including W&L and others, so yes, in my opinion, they can be replaced. Prince, was the one who fired them early on in his career, wasn't he? So yes they can be replaced, with better talent. And yes, I said 'to each their own', meaning you and I just have a different view on this.

(Oh and I'm loving that you're so bothered by the 'blue-eyed Africans' comment, that you're losing sleep over it and keep bringing it up. Wow, I guess I really ruffled your feathers.. )

No it's not just about Wendy & Lisa (Read the thread title) ...and many other artist... <- see that??

Hell people are talking about if Funk music is dead or not in hear...

Why would I want to call Prince about that when I'm not saying he can't survive musically without W&L? You are the one continually harping on that topic. Only 1 or 2 other people have stressed the title of this thread, everyone else is disagreeing but talking about particular areas where the music was better or worse. And the different influence in his life. Giving more credit to James Brown vs the people he was with intimately in his life is unbalanced.

U jumped into the discussion about the proteges stressing your ideas, that really had nothing to do with that aspect of the protege period, we are talking about.

Prince released Wendy & Lisa because of emotional reasons. Not because they couldn't do the job. Any real fan of his career knows, The biggest output of music was the 1984-1986 years. That speaks volumes of the people in his camp, and trust Prince didn't create all that music by himself. It's not possible. I can take u to task on the music output, if you want to go there.

Prince years later, wrote a song called In This Bed I Scream dedicated to Wendy Lisa & Susannah saying... And I quote: To these walls I talkTellin' 'em what I wasn't strong enough to sayTo these walls I talkTellin' 'em how I cried the day you went away
How did we ever lose communication?How did we ever lose each other's sound?Baby, if you wanna, we can fix the situationMaybe we can stop the rain from coming down, yeah
In this bed I screamLonely nights I lay awake thinking of youAnd if I'm cursed with a dreamA thousand times I feel whatever I've put you through
Tell me, how're we gonna put this back together?How're we gonna think with the same mind?Knowing all along that life is so much betterLiving and loving together all the time, living and loving
In this bed I, in this bed I, in this bed I scream
In this car I driveI'm looking for the road that leads back to the soul we sharedWith my very lifeI'd gladly be the body upon the cross we bear(Cross we bear)

dems Prince's words. He didn't write one like that to Tony M.

I'm not focusing on Wendy & Lisa only but proteges band members engineers and management

I posted some stuff by Eric Leeds who has a high respect for Prince (even though he had problems getting paid) check it out.

And when did I say I was loosing sleep over it? I find it humorous, and it bring joy to my heart cause it causes laughter to spring up from the depths of my heart. Laughter doesn't = ruffled feathers (smile)

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

This thread is about W&L is it not? (see title of thread). Oh and no thanks, I have no desire to call W&L. How 'bout you call up Prince and try telling some bullcrap that he can't survive musically without W&L?

His band members have been replaced several times, including W&L and others, so yes, in my opinion, they can be replaced. Prince, was the one who fired them early on in his career, wasn't he? So yes they can be replaced, with better talent. And yes, I said 'to each their own', meaning you and I just have a different view on this.

(Oh and I'm loving that you're so bothered by the 'blue-eyed Africans' comment, that you're losing sleep over it and keep bringing it up. Wow, I guess I really ruffled your feathers.. )

No it's not just about Wendy & Lisa (Read the thread title) ...and many other artist... <- see that??

Hell people are talking about if Funk music is dead or not in hear...

Why would I want to call Prince about that when I'm not saying he can't survive musically without W&L? You are the one continually harping on that topic. Only 1 or 2 other people have stressed the title of this thread, everyone else is disagreeing but talking about particular areas where the music was better or worse. And the different influence in his life. Giving more credit to James Brown vs the people he was with intimately in his life is unbalanced.

U jumped into the discussion about the proteges stressing your ideas, that really had nothing to do with that aspect of the protege period, we are talking about.

Prince released Wendy & Lisa because of emotional reasons. Not because they couldn't do the job. Any real fan of his career knows, The biggest output of music was the 1984-1986 years. That speaks volumes of the people in his camp, and trust Prince didn't create all that music by himself. It's not possible. I can take u to task on the music output, if you want to go there.

Prince years later, wrote a song called In This Bed I Scream dedicated to Wendy Lisa & Susannah saying... And I quote: To these walls I talkTellin' 'em what I wasn't strong enough to sayTo these walls I talkTellin' 'em how I cried the day you went away
How did we ever lose communication?How did we ever lose each other's sound?Baby, if you wanna, we can fix the situationMaybe we can stop the rain from coming down, yeah
In this bed I screamLonely nights I lay awake thinking of youAnd if I'm cursed with a dreamA thousand times I feel whatever I've put you through
Tell me, how're we gonna put this back together?How're we gonna think with the same mind?Knowing all along that life is so much betterLiving and loving together all the time, living and loving
In this bed I, in this bed I, in this bed I scream
In this car I driveI'm looking for the road that leads back to the soul we sharedWith my very lifeI'd gladly be the body upon the cross we bear(Cross we bear)

dems Prince's words. He didn't write one like that to Tony M.

I'm not focusing on Wendy & Lisa only but proteges band members engineers and management

I posted some stuff by Eric Leeds who has a high respect for Prince (even though he had problems getting paid) check it out.

And when did I say I was loosing sleep over it? I find it humorous, and it bring joy to my heart cause it causes laughter to spring up from the depths of my heart. Laughter doesn't = ruffled feathers (smile)

W&L is still part of the thread, regardless. Also, you have to start reading my posts thoroughly, because I never said he released them because of their music talent, I basically said he was the one who fired them.

Also whether you're 'a real fan' or not, (which is silly believing you can tell someone if they're a real fan or not.. )doesn't mean 'so-called' real fans know Prince personally. All fans of his music,(that includes me), can do is give our opinions of his music/songs/performances, but if we never sat down and talked to him to get to know him personally, then we don't know him on a personal basis, just by the person we see on stage performing or by some song, some claim he wrote for a former gf or band member.

Oh, and about your comment on laughter, you're right, laughter doesn't equal ruffled feathers, but maybe, just maybe if you laugh a little bit more, then maybe your feathers will loosen up and a smile might actually show through your posts. Anyway, you're like a pain in the ass sibling so you have a good night org partner in crime, because I'm sure your ass will be right back here tomorrow nit'n and pickin' away at my post. Admit it, you just can't help yourself and you did say you enjoy reading my posts... and those were your words.

[Edited 1/26/12 19:27pm]

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No it's not just about Wendy & Lisa (Read the thread title) ...and many other artist... <- see that??

Hell people are talking about if Funk music is dead or not in hear...

Why would I want to call Prince about that when I'm not saying he can't survive musically without W&L? You are the one continually harping on that topic. Only 1 or 2 other people have stressed the title of this thread, everyone else is disagreeing but talking about particular areas where the music was better or worse. And the different influence in his life. Giving more credit to James Brown vs the people he was with intimately in his life is unbalanced.

U jumped into the discussion about the proteges stressing your ideas, that really had nothing to do with that aspect of the protege period, we are talking about.

Prince released Wendy & Lisa because of emotional reasons. Not because they couldn't do the job. Any real fan of his career knows, The biggest output of music was the 1984-1986 years. That speaks volumes of the people in his camp, and trust Prince didn't create all that music by himself. It's not possible. I can take u to task on the music output, if you want to go there.

Prince years later, wrote a song called In This Bed I Scream dedicated to Wendy Lisa & Susannah saying... And I quote: To these walls I talkTellin' 'em what I wasn't strong enough to sayTo these walls I talkTellin' 'em how I cried the day you went away
How did we ever lose communication?How did we ever lose each other's sound?Baby, if you wanna, we can fix the situationMaybe we can stop the rain from coming down, yeah
In this bed I screamLonely nights I lay awake thinking of youAnd if I'm cursed with a dreamA thousand times I feel whatever I've put you through
Tell me, how're we gonna put this back together?How're we gonna think with the same mind?Knowing all along that life is so much betterLiving and loving together all the time, living and loving
In this bed I, in this bed I, in this bed I scream
In this car I driveI'm looking for the road that leads back to the soul we sharedWith my very lifeI'd gladly be the body upon the cross we bear(Cross we bear)

dems Prince's words. He didn't write one like that to Tony M.

I'm not focusing on Wendy & Lisa only but proteges band members engineers and management

I posted some stuff by Eric Leeds who has a high respect for Prince (even though he had problems getting paid) check it out.

And when did I say I was loosing sleep over it? I find it humorous, and it bring joy to my heart cause it causes laughter to spring up from the depths of my heart. Laughter doesn't = ruffled feathers (smile)

W&L is still part of the thread, regardless. Also, you have to start reading my posts thoroughly, because I never said he released them because of their music talent, I basically said he was the one who fired them.

Also whether you're 'a real fan' or not, (which is silly believing you can tell someone if they're a real fan or not.. )doesn't mean 'so-called' real fans know Prince personally. All fans of his music,(that includes me), can do is give our opinions of his music/songs/performances, but if we never sat down and talked to him to get to know him personally, then we don't know him on a personal basis, just by the person we see on stage performing or by some song, some claim he wrote for a former gf or band member.

Oh, and about your comment on laughter, you're right, laughter doesn't equal ruffled feathers, but maybe, just maybe if you laugh a little bit more, then maybe your feathers will loosen up and a smile might actually show through your posts. Anyway, you're like a pain in the ass sibling so you have a good night org partner in crime, because I'm sure your ass will be right back here tomorrow nit'n and pickin' away at my post. Admit it, you just can't help yourself and you did say you enjoy reading my posts... and those were your words.

2Elijah said: So yes they can be replaced, with better talent.

Yeah You actually can, some posts back there was someone going on about Prince being this and that(praise) and proceeds to talk about the band members when they came in etc etc basing his arguement on the things he was saying, and ALL of it was wrong. Sorry "Not a Real fan" post 120 by wonder505.

LOL sister this whole thing and the other is very lighthearted and amusing to me, It's been a good month so far and I'm feeling good. So I am very loose. I might be serious or factual doesn't mean I'm uptight or not having fun with it. I love it, and U'll be right back pickin at my post lol

post #153 OF4S said: Hate 2 admit it at times, but it's kinda fun lol

2Elijah said: I agree.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

2elijah said:

Hey neither can I, I'm just giving my personal opinion on this thread regarding the OP's statement. Well, nothing wrong with having your own music tastes. I just don't agree with the OP's statement about Prince wouldn't have been as popular without W&L. No one knew who the heck W&L was, before they joined Prince's band, and his name was already out there.

It was almost 30 years ago. It was much more difficult for chicks to play guitar pro. That entire, the boys can rock harder than the girls. You had to have a set of balls to play guitar back then and get credit. The times have changed. I'm sure it would have been tough for W/L to make it in the early 80's. Imagine trying to crawl into that sexist cesspool.

Thanks for bringing that up. I didn't even think about it in the place of gender.

I remember watching an interview with Wendy & Lisa and they talked about this stuff

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

W&L is still part of the thread, regardless. Also, you have to start reading my posts thoroughly, because I never said he released them because of their music talent, I basically said he was the one who fired them.

Also whether you're 'a real fan' or not, (which is silly believing you can tell someone if they're a real fan or not.. )doesn't mean 'so-called' real fans know Prince personally. All fans of his music,(that includes me), can do is give our opinions of his music/songs/performances, but if we never sat down and talked to him to get to know him personally, then we don't know him on a personal basis, just by the person we see on stage performing or by some song, some claim he wrote for a former gf or band member.

Oh, and about your comment on laughter, you're right, laughter doesn't equal ruffled feathers, but maybe, just maybe if you laugh a little bit more, then maybe your feathers will loosen up and a smile might actually show through your posts. Anyway, you're like a pain in the ass sibling so you have a good night org partner in crime, because I'm sure your ass will be right back here tomorrow nit'n and pickin' away at my post. Admit it, you just can't help yourself and you did say you enjoy reading my posts... and those were your words.

2Elijah said: So yes they can be replaced, with better talent.

Yeah You actually can, some posts back there was someone going on about Prince being this and that(praise) and proceeds to talk about the band members when they came in etc etc basing his arguement on the things he was saying, and ALL of it was wrong. Sorry "Not a Real fan" post 120 by wonder505.

LOL sister this whole thing and the other is very lighthearted and amusing to me, It's been a good month so far and I'm feeling good. So I am very loose. I might be serious or factual doesn't mean I'm uptight or not having fun with it. I love it, and U'll be right back pickin at my post lol

post #153 OF4S said: Hate 2 admit it at times, but it's kinda fun lol

2Elijah said: I agree.

What wa? You know, Prince obviously musta put a big fat dick on you musically for you to be so STUCK and OBSESSED in a time era that was over 20 years ago for you to be all up the associated artist ass because they, who were apart of the era are no longer apart of Prince's band. And btw, i have A LIFE, therefore excuse me if I don't know all the minor details of who came when. The fact that you consider me less than a fan because I don't know these things makes me want to suggest for you to step away from the keyboard and go outside and let the sunshine hit your face once in awhile.

The bottom line is this. I became a fan during the Purple Rain era and I rarely listen to music from that time. I, like Prince, has MOVED ON and appreciate the catalog of his work. I'm actually glad he got rid of Wendy and Lisa. Yes it was a fun era in music but hey, I really like what he has done since then. I enjoy his recent work. The studio releases of the associated artists, not so much. Their music does not move me the way Prince's does, although it was a great collaboration in the past. If they were the masters of music like yall make them out to be, I would assume that their music would reflect that and frankly, it DOES NOT. Like 2Elijah says, to each his own.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

W&L is still part of the thread, regardless. Also, you have to start reading my posts thoroughly, because I never said he released them because of their music talent, I basically said he was the one who fired them.

Also whether you're 'a real fan' or not, (which is silly believing you can tell someone if they're a real fan or not.. )doesn't mean 'so-called' real fans know Prince personally. All fans of his music,(that includes me), can do is give our opinions of his music/songs/performances, but if we never sat down and talked to him to get to know him personally, then we don't know him on a personal basis, just by the person we see on stage performing or by some song, some claim he wrote for a former gf or band member.

Oh, and about your comment on laughter, you're right, laughter doesn't equal ruffled feathers, but maybe, just maybe if you laugh a little bit more, then maybe your feathers will loosen up and a smile might actually show through your posts. Anyway, you're like a pain in the ass sibling so you have a good night org partner in crime, because I'm sure your ass will be right back here tomorrow nit'n and pickin' away at my post. Admit it, you just can't help yourself and you did say you enjoy reading my posts... and those were your words.

2Elijah said: So yes they can be replaced, with better talent.

Yeah You actually can, some posts back there was someone going on about Prince being this and that(praise) and proceeds to talk about the band members when they came in etc etc basing his arguement on the things he was saying, and ALL of it was wrong. Sorry "Not a Real fan" post 120 by wonder505.

LOL sister this whole thing and the other is very lighthearted and amusing to me, It's been a good month so far and I'm feeling good. So I am very loose. I might be serious or factual doesn't mean I'm uptight or not having fun with it. I love it, and U'll be right back pickin at my post lol

post #153 OF4S said: Hate 2 admit it at times, but it's kinda fun lol

2Elijah said: I agree.

Oh hush, I'm glad you have a sense of humor...but now you messed with my sister friend 'Wonder505' . So I'm going to sit back and have some popcorn, while she rips you a new one....

[Edited 1/27/12 7:47am]

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

2Elijah said: So yes they can be replaced, with better talent.

Yeah You actually can, some posts back there was someone going on about Prince being this and that(praise) and proceeds to talk about the band members when they came in etc etc basing his arguement on the things he was saying, and ALL of it was wrong. Sorry "Not a Real fan" post 120 by wonder505.

LOL sister this whole thing and the other is very lighthearted and amusing to me, It's been a good month so far and I'm feeling good. So I am very loose. I might be serious or factual doesn't mean I'm uptight or not having fun with it. I love it, and U'll be right back pickin at my post lol

post #153 OF4S said: Hate 2 admit it at times, but it's kinda fun lol

2Elijah said: I agree.

What wa? You know, Prince obviously musta put a big fat dick on you musically for you to be so STUCK and OBSESSED in a time era that was over 20 years ago for you to be all up the associated artist ass because they, who were apart of the era are no longer apart of Prince's band. And btw, i have A LIFE, therefore excuse me if I don't know all the minor details of who came when. The fact that you consider me less than a fan because I don't know these things makes me want to suggest for you to step away from the keyboard and go outside and let the sunshine hit your face once in awhile.

The bottom line is this. I became a fan during the Purple Rain era and I rarely listen to music from that time. I, like Prince, has MOVED ON and appreciate the catalog of his work. I'm actually glad he got rid of Wendy and Lisa. Yes it was a fun era in music but hey, I really like what he has done since then. I enjoy his recent work. The studio releases of the associated artists, not so much. Their music does not move me the way Prince's does, although it was a great collaboration in the past. If they were the masters of music like yall make them out to be, I would assume that their music would reflect that and frankly, it DOES NOT. Like 2Elijah says, to each his own.

:See Wonder, I told him he should not have messed with you.

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

2Elijah said: So yes they can be replaced, with better talent.

Yeah You actually can, some posts back there was someone going on about Prince being this and that(praise) and proceeds to talk about the band members when they came in etc etc basing his arguement on the things he was saying, and ALL of it was wrong. Sorry "Not a Real fan" post 120 by wonder505.

LOL sister this whole thing and the other is very lighthearted and amusing to me, It's been a good month so far and I'm feeling good. So I am very loose. I might be serious or factual doesn't mean I'm uptight or not having fun with it. I love it, and U'll be right back pickin at my post lol

post #153 OF4S said: Hate 2 admit it at times, but it's kinda fun lol

2Elijah said: I agree.

What wa? You know, Prince obviously musta put a big fat dick on you musically for you to be so STUCK and OBSESSED in a time era that was over 20 years ago for you to be all up the associated artist ass because they, who were apart of the era are no longer apart of Prince's band. And btw, i have A LIFE, therefore excuse me if I don't know all the minor details of who came when. The fact that you consider me less than a fan because I don't know these things makes me want to suggest for you to step away from the keyboard and go outside and let the sunshine hit your face once in awhile.

The bottom line is this. I became a fan during the Purple Rain era and I rarely listen to music from that time. I, like Prince, has MOVED ON and appreciate the catalog of his work. I'm actually glad he got rid of Wendy and Lisa. Yes it was a fun era in music but hey, I really like what he has done since then. I enjoy his recent work. The studio releases of the associated artists, not so much. Their music does not move me the way Prince's does, although it was a great collaboration in the past. If they were the masters of music like yall make them out to be, I would assume that their music would reflect that and frankly, it DOES NOT. Like 2Elijah says, to each his own.

ewwwww such nastiness from a lady(?)

LOL I smacked you on that already, read back

LOVE me some Prince LOVE

Why do you say obsessed when I just appreciate that period especially the "triple threat" period

I'm not trying to get that back I just liked that period.

But since you want to go their with your foul mouth, Don't make statements of base on 99% ignorance lol what a foundation to build on.

No I don't excuse u

Most people who became fans during the PR era either were fairweather fans or they got into Prince, they went back and got all of Prince.

BrownMark joined the band in 1984?? lol I know people who just became fans last year who know better than that.

Sounds like Prince put some crotch juice on you, that you can't appreciate what he did with the proteges. I respect his whole catalogue.

Go on back and get your purple studies in sugar then come back and talk

Wonder505

:His first band was Andre, Gayle, Matt, Dez and Bobby. Lisa replaced Gayle and then Wendy and BrownMark replaced Dez and Andre.

Wrong Wendy replaced Dez in 1983 BrownMark replaced Andre in 1981.

In additoin to Bambi there was another song from his second album that has crossover appeal. I cant remember right now but it was guitar heavy.

Did you figure out what song that was?

I'm not sure exactly when MarkBrown came on board or Lisa, but 1999 was released in 1983

wrong 1982

and I don't think Wendy or mark was no board then.

wrong,they both were

2elijah said:

wonder505 said:

What wa? You know, Prince obviously musta put a big fat dick on you musically for you to be so STUCK and OBSESSED in a time era that was over 20 years ago for you to be all up the associated artist ass because they, who were apart of the era are no longer apart of Prince's band. And btw, i have A LIFE, therefore excuse me if I don't know all the minor details of who came when. The fact that you consider me less than a fan because I don't know these things makes me want to suggest for you to step away from the keyboard and go outside and let the sunshine hit your face once in awhile.

The bottom line is this. I became a fan during the Purple Rain era and I rarely listen to music from that time. I, like Prince, has MOVED ON and appreciate the catalog of his work. I'm actually glad he got rid of Wendy and Lisa. Yes it was a fun era in music but hey, I really like what he has done since then. I enjoy his recent work. The studio releases of the associated artists, not so much. Their music does not move me the way Prince's does, although it was a great collaboration in the past. If they were the masters of music like yall make them out to be, I would assume that their music would reflect that and frankly, it DOES NOT. Like 2Elijah says, to each his own.

:See Wonder, I told him he should not have messed with you.

LOL oh please, ooooo Im scared

when she can come back with facts then we'll see if she can mess with me, other than that it's just talkin junk that can't be backed up. She jumped in an arguement and drowned

You should have corrected her back then. Should have 'helped a sista out' you know that was some bullshhhh she let flop out of her mouth. Her behind was out, you saw it, and didn't tell her to cover up lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

wonder505 said:

What wa? You know, Prince obviously musta put a big fat dick on you musically for you to be so STUCK and OBSESSED in a time era that was over 20 years ago for you to be all up the associated artist ass because they, who were apart of the era are no longer apart of Prince's band. And btw, i have A LIFE, therefore excuse me if I don't know all the minor details of who came when. The fact that you consider me less than a fan because I don't know these things makes me want to suggest for you to step away from the keyboard and go outside and let the sunshine hit your face once in awhile.

The bottom line is this. I became a fan during the Purple Rain era and I rarely listen to music from that time. I, like Prince, has MOVED ON and appreciate the catalog of his work. I'm actually glad he got rid of Wendy and Lisa. Yes it was a fun era in music but hey, I really like what he has done since then. I enjoy his recent work. The studio releases of the associated artists, not so much. Their music does not move me the way Prince's does, although it was a great collaboration in the past. If they were the masters of music like yall make them out to be, I would assume that their music would reflect that and frankly, it DOES NOT. Like 2Elijah says, to each his own.

ewwwww such nastiness from a lady(?)

LOL I smacked you on that already, read back

LOVE me some Prince LOVE

Why do you say obsessed when I just appreciate that period especially the "triple threat" period

I'm not trying to get that back I just liked that period.

But since you want to go their with your foul mouth, Don't make statements of base on 99% ignorance lol what a foundation to build on.

No I don't excuse u

Most people who became fans during the PR era either were fairweather fans or they got into Prince, they went back and got all of Prince.

BrownMark joined the band in 1984?? lol I know people who just became fans last year who know better than that.

Sounds like Prince put some crotch juice on you, that you can't appreciate what he did with the proteges. I respect his whole catalogue.

Go on back and get your purple studies in sugar then come back and talk

Wonder505

:His first band was Andre, Gayle, Matt, Dez and Bobby. Lisa replaced Gayle and then Wendy and BrownMark replaced Dez and Andre.

Wrong Wendy replaced Dez in 1983 BrownMark replaced Andre in 1981.

In additoin to Bambi there was another song from his second album that has crossover appeal. I cant remember right now but it was guitar heavy.

Did you figure out what song that was?

I'm not sure exactly when MarkBrown came on board or Lisa, but 1999 was released in 1983

wrong 1982

and I don't think Wendy or mark was no board then.

wrong,they both were

You are OBSESSED and no you obviously don't respect his whole catalog because you are trapped in the past. As stated I appreciate his CATALOG of music, which includes the era of the Revolution and beyond. I look at their work as a great colloboration, but because of his work before and after them, I am in the camp that believes because of his drive, his vision, his talent, his refusal to be stuck in one category, that he would have done to be great anyway. That does not dimish what they brought to the table, but it only means they benefitted each other, yet, I appreciate Prince's recent releases more than theirs and that is what I based my opinion on. So far the O7 is the only band that kicked my ass, and gave Prince a run for his money, cuz I still got Condensate on repeat.

Either way, Prince has proven himself BEFORE THEY JOINED AND AFTER, and the STUDIO RELEASES FROM ALL OF THEM, IN MY OPINION, does not come close to Prince's music. there are alot of fans who love it and think the Associated Artist music is better and that is fine with me.

Calling people ignorant because they are a little off about knowing when the Revolution joined. I mean come on Get a LIFE MAN! Please GET A LIFE!.You knowing when BrownMark joined does not negate the fact that his solo work SUCKS!! I bought his last cd and gave that shit away to the library, so what difference does it make when he joined. Wow, so people you met people who just became fans last year who knows when BrownMark joined, WOW, those people must be really smart.

[Edited 1/27/12 9:10am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

:See Wonder, I told him he should not have messed with you.

LOL oh please, ooooo Im scared

when she can come back with facts then we'll see if she can mess with me, other than that it's just talkin junk that can't be backed up. She jumped in an arguement and drowned

You should have corrected her back then. Should have 'helped a sista out' you know that was some bullshhhh she let flop out of her mouth. Her behind was out, you saw it, and didn't tell her to cover up lol

You make me laugh with your stereotypical terminology you use with specific orgers. I thought you were more intelligent than that. You tag some of them as the 'soul patrol', yet cry a river that you are against labeling people....but yet you always practice what you cry about. Makes one not take your complaints seriously about labeling others. But go ahead... keep being 'you', I'm enjoying it.

[Edited 1/27/12 9:09am]

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

ewwwww such nastiness from a lady(?)

LOL I smacked you on that already, read back

LOVE me some Prince LOVE

Why do you say obsessed when I just appreciate that period especially the "triple threat" period

I'm not trying to get that back I just liked that period.

But since you want to go their with your foul mouth, Don't make statements of base on 99% ignorance lol what a foundation to build on.

No I don't excuse u

Most people who became fans during the PR era either were fairweather fans or they got into Prince, they went back and got all of Prince.

BrownMark joined the band in 1984?? lol I know people who just became fans last year who know better than that.

Sounds like Prince put some crotch juice on you, that you can't appreciate what he did with the proteges. I respect his whole catalogue.

Go on back and get your purple studies in sugar then come back and talk

Wonder505

:His first band was Andre, Gayle, Matt, Dez and Bobby. Lisa replaced Gayle and then Wendy and BrownMark replaced Dez and Andre.

Wrong Wendy replaced Dez in 1983 BrownMark replaced Andre in 1981.

In additoin to Bambi there was another song from his second album that has crossover appeal. I cant remember right now but it was guitar heavy.

Did you figure out what song that was?

I'm not sure exactly when MarkBrown came on board or Lisa, but 1999 was released in 1983

wrong 1982

and I don't think Wendy or mark was no board then.

wrong,they both were

I am in the camp that believes because of his drive, his vision, his talent, his refusal to be stuck in one category, that he would have done to be great anyway. ................

..................Either way, Prince has proven himself BEFORE THEY JOINED AND AFTER, and the STUDIO RELEASES FROM ALL OF THEM, IN MY OPINION, does not come close to Prince's music.[Edited 1/27/12 9:10am]

....and there it is.

2elijah said:

wonder505 said:

I am in the camp that believes because of his drive, his vision, his talent, his refusal to be stuck in one category, that he would have done to be great anyway. ................

..................Either way, Prince has proven himself BEFORE THEY JOINED AND AFTER, and the STUDIO RELEASES FROM ALL OF THEM, IN MY OPINION, does not come close to Prince's music.[Edited 1/27/12 9:10am]

....and there it is.

My thing is its quite okay for him to feel the way he does but that whole "non-fans" and purple studies crap is hilarious. At the end of the day its a personal preference really.

wonder505 said:

2elijah said:

....and there it is.

My thing is its quite okay for him to feel the way he does but that whole "non-fans" and purple studies crap is hilarious. At the end of the day its a personal preference really.

I hear you. OF4s knows I don't take him seriously, but yes, a lot of fans get into the 'real fans vs no-fans' thing, which doesn't make any sense really.

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL oh please, ooooo Im scared

when she can come back with facts then we'll see if she can mess with me, other than that it's just talkin junk that can't be backed up. She jumped in an arguement and drowned

You should have corrected her back then. Should have 'helped a sista out' you know that was some bullshhhh she let flop out of her mouth. Her behind was out, you saw it, and didn't tell her to cover up lol

You make me laugh with your stereotypical terminology you use with specific orgers. I thought you were more intelligent than that. You tag some of them as the 'soul patrol', yet cry a river that you are against labeling people....but yet you always practice what you cry about. Makes one not take your complaints seriously about labeling others. But go ahead... keep being 'you', I'm enjoying it.

please 2Elijah, almost everyone I know black white red and yellow use that term now. Looks like your the one locked in race thinking. Yes Soul Patrol is what it is, No I don't cry a river about 'labelling people' I'll label an idiot in a minute. You know my arguement had nothing to do with general labels. Stop it. A man is a man a woman is a woman, I'm not against those labels. Purple Soldiers, Fam are labels too, and I use them generously.

2Elijah said: my sister friend

You must be living in 1970 when only black people said certain things and white people said others.

Tell me what music, fashion, terminology isn't shared across the board now in America

Who doesn't say, "What's Up" "What's up bro" "What's up brotha" "My Dog" all the white people I know use those.

wonder505 said:

2elijah said:

....and there it is.

My thing is its quite okay for him to feel the way he does but that whole "non-fans" and purple studies crap is hilarious. At the end of the day its a personal preference really.

Just 4 your information Wonder505, that was all done if fun. I know it's cyberspace and We don't know each other and thankfully can't see each other, but the jibbing between 2Elijah & I is mostly in fun back n forth debate. Mostly.

It is hilarious. Cause I spanked you on that some posts ago.

You still shouldn't base a fact on wrong info, that is hilarious.

And I'll mess around with 'true fans' 'non fans' in a light way if I want to

Just be studied up on you facts, cause the Purple Yoda and his Purple Knights are watchin

Don't mind me guys, I'm not part of this debate, I'm just seeing the drama explode.

Bets on wonder505 or OldFriends for the kill? Anyone?

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

ewwwww such nastiness from a lady(?)

LOL I smacked you on that already, read back

LOVE me some Prince LOVE

Why do you say obsessed when I just appreciate that period especially the "triple threat" period

I'm not trying to get that back I just liked that period.

But since you want to go their with your foul mouth, Don't make statements of base on 99% ignorance lol what a foundation to build on.

No I don't excuse u

Most people who became fans during the PR era either were fairweather fans or they got into Prince, they went back and got all of Prince.

BrownMark joined the band in 1984?? lol I know people who just became fans last year who know better than that.

Sounds like Prince put some crotch juice on you, that you can't appreciate what he did with the proteges. I respect his whole catalogue.

Go on back and get your purple studies in sugar then come back and talk

Wonder505

:His first band was Andre, Gayle, Matt, Dez and Bobby. Lisa replaced Gayle and then Wendy and BrownMark replaced Dez and Andre.

Wrong Wendy replaced Dez in 1983 BrownMark replaced Andre in 1981.

In additoin to Bambi there was another song from his second album that has crossover appeal. I cant remember right now but it was guitar heavy.

Did you figure out what song that was?

I'm not sure exactly when MarkBrown came on board or Lisa, but 1999 was released in 1983

wrong 1982

and I don't think Wendy or mark was no board then.

wrong,they both were

You are OBSESSED and no you obviously don't respect his whole catalog because you are trapped in the past. As stated I appreciate his CATALOG of music, which includes the era of the Revolution and beyond. I look at their work as a great colloboration, but because of his work before and after them, I am in the camp that believes because of his drive, his vision, his talent, his refusal to be stuck in one category, that he would have done to be great anyway. That does not dimish what they brought to the table, but it only means they benefitted each other, yet, I appreciate Prince's recent releases more than theirs and that is what I based my opinion on. So far the O7 is the only band that kicked my ass, and gave Prince a run for his money, cuz I still got Condensate on repeat.

Either way, Prince has proven himself BEFORE THEY JOINED AND AFTER, and the STUDIO RELEASES FROM ALL OF THEM, IN MY OPINION, does not come close to Prince's music. there are alot of fans who love it and think the Associated Artist music is better and that is fine with me.

Calling people ignorant because they are a little off about knowing when the Revolution joined. I mean come on Get a LIFE MAN! Please GET A LIFE!.You knowing when BrownMark joined does not negate the fact that his solo work SUCKS!! I bought his last cd and gave that shit away to the library, so what difference does it make when he joined. Wow, so people you met people who just became fans last year who knows when BrownMark joined, WOW, those people must be really smart.

naww sweetness, I love his whole career, like most fans we have a particular favorite periods and albums.

a little off? waaaaay off

I do album era threads cause I appreciate those periods, outside of the 1980 period my other favorite is the One Night Alone-Planet Earth period. The albums and periods I didn't have much appreciation for I get to learn stuff from other members and share in their ideas and experiences for that time. And I love 20Ten & Rainbow Children

And guess what? Some albums and eras are still a bit wack. My head isn't up is purple royalness a$$ where everything has to be good.

I can back up my words with my actions. I get involved in era threads(as well as others topic on certain songs and albums) to learn more about those periods I might not have had much interest in an "LEARN" from others, not acting like I know everything there is to know about Prince. I don't make huge statements about time periods I know nothing of. I bet you weren't even alive in 1984 (suspicions)

If Prince stayed a 1 man band you think he still would have been just as great? Seriously, that isn't even a truthful idea in any part of life. How old are u? If Tony M or other people who really didn't believe in Prince's vision were in his band he wouldn't be 'just as great' If he had mindless clones in his band back then with no personality he wouldn't be 'just as great'

Prince started changing the bands up often after 1988 cause he was weary about people using his fame to jump start his career ie Cat & Boni Boyer. But I also read somewhere about Sheila E begging him not to change the band up -before she had her lung collapse and had to leave the band anyway. He asked Rosie Gaines before she joined if she was going to quickly leave to go get her career going.

I didn't define U as ignorant, I said U made a statement based on 99% ignorance, those are 2 different things.

Definition:ignorant

LOL is it hard not to learn things about Prince and his bandmates? When I became a Prince fan everything he had prior to that I bought even protege stuff, knew who was who, B sides etc and that was in the early 80's, we didn't have internet back then, like know when you can just do of freakin google search and waaa laaa there is the info on when BrownMark joined the band.

2elijah said:

wonder505 said:

My thing is its quite okay for him to feel the way he does but that whole "non-fans" and purple studies crap is hilarious. At the end of the day its a personal preference really.

I hear you. OF4s knows I don't take him seriously, but yes, a lot of fans get into the 'real fans vs no-fans' thing, which doesn't make any sense really.

After alll this is the music business/entertainment industry. Schtick! KWIM? Every musician needs an edge.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

2elijah said:

I hear you. OF4s knows I don't take him seriously, but yes, a lot of fans get into the 'real fans vs no-fans' thing, which doesn't make any sense really.

After alll this is the music business/entertainment industry. Schtick! KWIM? Every musician needs an edge.

True, a lot of Prince's popularity is based on that cult following he aquired during the 1978-1990 years. If it wasn't for that period that Uptown Erotic City Paisley Park expansion along with the movie Purple Rain that just created this fantasy world side by side with the reality.

How many artists have fans that dress like them, only a few. Prince is in the top 3

is a good thread on this

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

You make me laugh with your stereotypical terminology you use with specific orgers. I thought you were more intelligent than that. You tag some of them as the 'soul patrol', yet cry a river that you are against labeling people....but yet you always practice what you cry about. Makes one not take your complaints seriously about labeling others. But go ahead... keep being 'you', I'm enjoying it.

please 2Elijah, almost everyone I know black white red and yellow use that term now. Looks like your the one locked in race thinking. Yes Soul Patrol is what it is, No I don't cry a river about 'labelling people' I'll label an idiot in a minute. You know my arguement had nothing to do with general labels. Stop it. A man is a man a woman is a woman, I'm not against those labels. Purple Soldiers, Fam are labels too, and I use them generously.

2Elijah said: my sister friend

You must be living in 1970 when only black people said certain things and white people said others.

Tell me what music, fashion, terminology isn't shared across the board now in America

Who doesn't say, "What's Up" "What's up bro" "What's up brotha" "My Dog" all the white people I know use those.

Laughing at all this ridiculousasserry...

[Edited 1/27/12 11:58am]

I sure am laughing, that 'sista' is a black only term in 2012 maybe in 1970 but not 2012

Didn't u say I was being stereotypical with sista? follow the post sista.

I don't say sister & brother, I usually say sista or brutha for anyone black white puerto rican everybody just a freakin

OldFriends4Sale said:

I sure am, that 'sista' is a black only term in 2012 maybe in 1970 but not 2012

Brain freezing up like an ice cube again? Snap out of it.

In the first part of your sentence you state 'black only term in 2012' on the end of your sentence you said 'but not in 2012'. Now who's stuck in 1970? I called her 'my sister friend,' I didn't say 'sista'. Sister friend is a term I picked up from living in the south some years ago, just like some in the south say 'guy friend'...has nothing to do with one's ethnicity. You had no idea if 'Wonder505' was a female or male by her username, so this is why I referred to her in that way.

[Edited 1/27/12 12:22pm]

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I sure am, that 'sista' is a black only term in 2012 maybe in 1970 but not 2012

Brain freezing up like an ice cube again? Snap out of it.

In the first part of your sentence you state 'black only term in 2012' on the end of your sentence you said 'but not in 2012'. Now who's stuck in 1970? I called her 'my sister friend,' I didn't say 'sista'. Sister friend is a term I picked up from living in the south some years ago, just like some in the south say 'guy friend'...has nothing to do with one's ethnicity. You had no idea if 'Wonder505' was a female or male by her username, so this is why I referred to her in that way.

[Edited 1/27/12 12:22pm]

bwwaahhhhhhh are u serious, you have no more arguement so your pulling at straws again

Im saying I sure am laughing too that "sista is a black only term in 2012" maybe in 1970 it was but it's not in 2012. Go back in read my post, did you remove a word from my line?

Cool, I never made it an ethnic thing, U did, you attributed my use of sista to be a stereotypical ethic term. I call everyone female "sista", even my mother.

Maybe you did that to help me out with Wonder505's gender, maybe not-most likely not

"If it don't make sense it's probably not true" Judge Judy

Why after all this would u need to inform me or anyone of her gender. Anyone gender has nothing to do with the discussion, so why would I need to know that.

U know that was an ethnic thing u were doing...

I knew from a previous post 2 me that Wonder505 is female post #226 First of all i'm a female.

Sorry I prob should use puncuation to help out the sistas

It's out of steam now 2Elijah, let's move on, it was fun