PennyPurple said:

AK stated “Prince was warm to the touch..” he didn’t say he was “stiff”.
Question: how long does it take for a body to get “cold”..how kind before rigor sets in??

Fact: AK took a red eye flight in because this was a “dire medical emergency “, yet gets off the plane at 5:55 am...goes to breakfast for 2 HOURS AND 45 minutes...THEN checks into the Country Inn and then they (AK, Meron & KJ) head to PP. seriously?! If P was still warm-he may have been able to be saved within the 2.75 hours they were phueking off eating breakfast! Never mind the fact that while P was “still warm”, KJ was busy cleaning him up INSTEAD OF calling 911!

Icing on the cake: all AK was worried about was if he was being charged and if not was he free to fly home. He was free to fly home and told the detective he was GOING TO GET SOME SLEEP NOW!!!

cloveringold85 said:

she was not there so the only way she could know that stuff is if someone who was there told her...someone did not want to talk to the cops and told mani and maybe asked her to tell... who was there in that time period that could have seen that stuff?

Strawberrylova123 said:

jtfolden said:

It's also in the files that Mani tried going to Larry because she was concerned about his usage of pain killers and that Larry told her she wasn't a doctor and to not try to diagnose.... What a friend he was...

Weird because prince was at the kingdom hall in march 20th 2016

.

Sorry, maybe I worded that wrong.

.

I meant to say Omarr left the JW (not Prince).

PennyPurple said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

cloveringold85 said: Davidson was also listed as a guest speaker at this years celebration. I think Sheila may be godmother to one of his kids...or something like that

See what I mean about fake ass people? Now who in their right mind decided it was ok to invite him to the service and to be a guest speaker at the celebration?

Militant was talking about him on his video of the Celebration. He's been around since the Purple Rain Tour. Sheila introduced him to her friend back then and they ended up getting married. Sheila was on the panel with him this weekend.

cloveringold85 said:

I see

Strawberrylova123 said:

The only common denominator I see with JH is the fact that she started hanging with P in 2014...and that’s when he started his physical decline

jtfolden said:

bondno9 said:

The chef said the meal was uneaten and left in one of the kitchens. However, in reviewing the video taken by Carver County Sheriff on 4/21 I noticed what appears to be a half eaten meal in two plastic "takeout" style containers. The containers are on a table near what appears to be a kitchen and also an "entertainment area" w/a couch and tv. On the table with the containers are also a pair of sunglasses, a set of keys, and a cd/dvd turned upside down. Is this the meal prepared by the chef? or another meal from outisde? Was it eaten by P eve of the 20th? If not, whom did it belong to along with the sunglasses and keys? And what was on the face down cd/dvd? Interesting ...

[Edited 4/22/18 15:42pm]

Yes, I looked at that video too. I honestly can't tell if they've been eaten at all or not. The one with ?salad? also has writing on it but I can't make it out. The Chef did say he delivered food that evening as opposed to cooking anything there. I think the Chef said one of the items he made was a bisque?

Yeah the green item could be a (salad?) and the other food item isn't bisque but looks ike something wrapped in filo dough or a tortilla? That item definitely looks half eaten. What's so odd is that both containers look so "perfect" on the table ... so "still" as if someone had recently sat at the table ... took a bite to eat ... got up ... grabbed a cd/dvd and placed it face down w/sunglasses on top??? Gives me the shivers

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

I don't know where this stuff is coming from but it's crazy!

.

Omarr states that Prince cut ties with him because he left the JW and did not like their "cult" practices. Omarr states that Larry was Prince's "Handler", and got very defensive when Omarr showed concern for Prince.

.

I kinda feel bad for Omarr.

she was not there so the only way she could know that stuff is if someone who was there told her...someone did not want to talk to the cops and told mani and maybe asked her to tell... who was there in that time period that could have seen that stuff?

.

I don't know why Omarr would say those things about Manuela, unless it were true? I know, I would not say shit like that, if I didn't know it was a fact, and he should know where the source came from (who) said it?

.

Omarr also said Kirk went to another room, and was saying things in private.....shady!

precioux said:

A body cools about 1 or 2 degrees per hour, he was so thin he would probably cool faster as no fat insulation...I have not understood the leisurely morning prior to them finding him...kornfeld said he wanted to go right to paisley but Kirk said they should eat and what ever. It makes no sense for someone to take the red eye and then waste time before attending a gravely ill person....zero sense

PennyPurple said:

The NY times link (I think it was posted on part 5 or 6 of this thread) has all pages and is completely free

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

See what I mean about fake ass people? Now who in their right mind decided it was ok to invite him to the service and to be a guest speaker at the celebration?

Militant was talking about him on his video of the Celebration. He's been around since the Purple Rain Tour. Sheila introduced him to her friend back then and they ended up getting married. Sheila was on the panel with him this weekend.

Did Militant asking about skimming $$ and being fired? Or was it all about the celebration and how great davidson is? .....

another inconsistancy...

THe Food was on the table in the videos but according to Ray Roberts

When he returned to the musician’s studio home for his memorial service a few days later, Roberts found it in the refrigerator – just as he’d left it.

jtfolden said:

bondno9 said:

The chef said the meal was uneaten and left in one of the kitchens. However, in reviewing the video taken by Carver County Sheriff on 4/21 I noticed what appears to be a half eaten meal in two plastic "takeout" style containers. The containers are on a table near what appears to be a kitchen and also an "entertainment area" w/a couch and tv. On the table with the containers are also a pair of sunglasses, a set of keys, and a cd/dvd turned upside down. Is this the meal prepared by the chef? or another meal from outisde? Was it eaten by P eve of the 20th? If not, whom did it belong to along with the sunglasses and keys? And what was on the face down cd/dvd? Interesting ...

[Edited 4/22/18 15:42pm]

Yes, I looked at that video too. I honestly can't tell if they've been eaten at all or not. The one with ?salad? also has writing on it but I can't make it out. The Chef did say he delivered food that evening as opposed to cooking anything there. I think the Chef said one of the items he made was a bisque?

cloveringold85 said:

jtfolden said:

We can't answer which way he was going BUT we know he had been upstairs at some point. His coat and gloves were found in the hallway upstairs.

He had also used his latop (or computer, I can't remember which) up until around 10PM.

His meal the chef dropped off remained in one of the kitchens uneaten, however.

I believe it was stated that Prince had probably been dead for around 6 hours. So at some point between 10PM and 4AM, at the latest, he passed away in the elevator. He could have been alive but unconcious for a time before passing though, depending on the actual events in the elevator (such as when he vomited).

.

The sad part is that Prince was all alone and had no one to watch over him. Also, the fact that it was very late or in the wee hours of the morning, and no one was around. If only help had come sooner, they probably could have revived him. I know it's really no consolation now.

Prince had all the meds but it seems the one thing he did not have was human touch.When the right person gives u a hug all the anxieties and worries can leave u

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

If rigor had set in, then the arms couldn't have moved that easily or at all.

AK stated “Prince was warm to the touch..” he didn’t say he was “stiff”. Question: how long does it take for a body to get “cold”..how kind before rigor sets in?? Fact: AK took a red eye flight in because this was a “dire medical emergency “, yet gets off the plane at 5:55 am...goes to breakfast for 2 HOURS AND 45 minutes...THEN checks into the Country Inn and then they (AK, Meron & KJ) head to PP. seriously?! If P was still warm-he may have been able to be saved within the 2.75 hours they were phueking off eating breakfast! Never mind the fact that while P was “still warm”, KJ was busy cleaning him up INSTEAD OF calling 911! Icing on the cake: all AK was worried about was if he was being charged and if not was he free to fly home. He was free to fly home and told the detective he was GOING TO GET SOME SLEEP NOW!!!

It was stated that Prince had been dead for at least 6 hours. No matter what AK did after getting there, Prince would have still been gone. He is one of the most blameless people in this situation. He had no contact with Prince personally, went there at the request of his father, could do nothing to help at this pont, and wanted to go home. I'd be pretty concerned about not being charged and being able to go home at that point too, honestly.

cloveringold85 said:

I don't like what I'm reading about Phaedra. Can this get any worse?

.

Phaedra is looking like the shadiest and most unprofessional of them all! In the interview with Mariah (former assistant before Meron), it is revealed that Mariah would go and buy stuff that Prince wanted with her own money which was reimbursed at the end of the month. Instead of doing any sort of proper petty cash accounting or similar for this stuff, Phaedra let this be billed as income to Mariah, leaving Mariah responsible for paying taxes on an extra $100,000+. This is so unprofessional, sloppy and bush league. Someone else also said that she balked at paying the band what they were owed. I would never hire or do any business with Phaedra after reading this.

.

Well she's going for the gusto now that she's doing this program with Jay-Z and Van Jones

If she kept receipts and had a decent tax preparer, she wouldn't have to pay income as those would be classified as business reimbursements.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

precioux said:

AK stated “Prince was warm to the touch..” he didn’t say he was “stiff”. Question: how long does it take for a body to get “cold”..how kind before rigor sets in?? Fact: AK took a red eye flight in because this was a “dire medical emergency “, yet gets off the plane at 5:55 am...goes to breakfast for 2 HOURS AND 45 minutes...THEN checks into the Country Inn and then they (AK, Meron & KJ) head to PP. seriously?! If P was still warm-he may have been able to be saved within the 2.75 hours they were phueking off eating breakfast! Never mind the fact that while P was “still warm”, KJ was busy cleaning him up INSTEAD OF calling 911! Icing on the cake: all AK was worried about was if he was being charged and if not was he free to fly home. He was free to fly home and told the detective he was GOING TO GET SOME SLEEP NOW!!!

A body cools about 1 or 2 degrees per hour, he was so thin he would probably cool faster as no fat insulation...I have not understood the leisurely morning prior to them finding him...kornfeld said he wanted to go right to paisley but Kirk said they should eat and what ever. It makes no sense for someone to take the red eye and then waste time before attending a gravely ill person....zero sense

As far as the body cooling... the fire Chief said Prince was still warm but was unsure if that was because he had just recently stopped breathing OR because of the ambient temperature in the elevator. I got the impression from the statements that it was relatively hot in the elevator.

It seems like Kirk wanted to give Prince time to wake up... It was mentioned several times that Prince normally woke up or required others at 2PM. They surely weren't going to wait that long but it seems like Kirk thought he'd still be asleep.

[Edited 4/22/18 18:18pm]

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

The Star Tribune had just the interviews and stuff 214 pages of it. Stories are limited that you can read for free on their site, so I just kept the link open all weekend. I'll try to find it for you.

The NY times link (I think it was posted on part 5 or 6 of this thread) has all pages and is completely free

https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html

[Edited 4/22/18 18:18pm]

jtfolden said:

A body with a temperature of 75 degrees does not feel warm, I think they said it was 75 degrees in paisley...

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

jtfolden said:

As far as the body cooling... the fire Chief said Prince was still warm but was unsure if that was because he had just recently stopped breathing OR because of the ambient temperature in the elevator. I got the impression from the statements that it was relatively hot in the elevator.

A body with a temperature of 75 degrees does not feel warm, I think they said it was 75 degrees in paisley...

https://health.howstuffwo...dying4.htm

bondno9 said:

jtfolden said:

Yes, I looked at that video too. I honestly can't tell if they've been eaten at all or not. The one with ?salad? also has writing on it but I can't make it out. The Chef did say he delivered food that evening as opposed to cooking anything there. I think the Chef said one of the items he made was a bisque?

Yeah the green item could be a (salad?) and the other food item isn't bisque but looks ike something wrapped in filo dough or a tortilla? That item definitely looks half eaten. What's so odd is that both containers look so "perfect" on the table ... so "still" as if someone had recently sat at the table ... took a bite to eat ... got up ... grabbed a cd/dvd and placed it face down w/sunglasses on top??? Gives me the shivers

Ok I looked at the video again. The one has "something" salad written on the top of it. The other one I'm not sure; Is it something wrapped up OR is it a bowl of soup with a lid sitting inside the container with other veggies around it (broccoli, etc)...

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

Militant was talking about him on his video of the Celebration. He's been around since the Purple Rain Tour. Sheila introduced him to her friend back then and they ended up getting married. Sheila was on the panel with him this weekend.

Did Militant asking about skimming $$ and being fired? Or was it all about the celebration and how great davidson is? .....

Lol, don't shoot the messenger. I don't get into that stuff. The thread is on the org.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

jtfolden said:

As far as the body cooling... the fire Chief said Prince was still warm but was unsure if that was because he had just recently stopped breathing OR because of the ambient temperature in the elevator. I got the impression from the statements that it was relatively hot in the elevator.

A body with a temperature of 75 degrees does not feel warm, I think they said it was 75 degrees in paisley...

Yes and what was the temp inside the elevator specifically?

I think there is some confusion by people interviewed over who the people were that responded in Moline...both Judith and the attendant say that ems boarded the plane. The pilot says that it was a police officer. It seems that whoever boarded the plane determined that there was not room for the cot and that prince would have to be carried off. Ems says that when they got there and attempted to board the plane they were stopped and Kirk carried prince off.

I wonder if he was put on the cot at the bottom of the steps, examined, treated and then transferred to the ambulance. That would fit with Judith’s description.

I remember looking at the video from the airport and there were a number of response vehicles there. I’m guessing that there were police vehicles, the ambulance and the fire department’s ems vehicle. That is the way it would be handled in my community.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

precioux said:

AK stated “Prince was warm to the touch..” he didn’t say he was “stiff”. Question: how long does it take for a body to get “cold”..how kind before rigor sets in?? Fact: AK took a red eye flight in because this was a “dire medical emergency “, yet gets off the plane at 5:55 am...goes to breakfast for 2 HOURS AND 45 minutes...THEN checks into the Country Inn and then they (AK, Meron & KJ) head to PP. seriously?! If P was still warm-he may have been able to be saved within the 2.75 hours they were phueking off eating breakfast! Never mind the fact that while P was “still warm”, KJ was busy cleaning him up INSTEAD OF calling 911! Icing on the cake: all AK was worried about was if he was being charged and if not was he free to fly home. He was free to fly home and told the detective he was GOING TO GET SOME SLEEP NOW!!!

A body cools about 1 or 2 degrees per hour, he was so thin he would probably cool faster as no fat insulation...I have not understood the leisurely morning prior to them finding him...kornfeld said he wanted to go right to paisley but Kirk said they should eat and what ever. It makes no sense for someone to take the red eye and then waste time before attending a gravely ill person....zero sense

.

Didn't he have time to eat on the plane? Does not sound like they were on a "life saving mission", as Dr. Kornfeld put it.

.

Who the fuck goes home and goes to sleep after something like that just happens.....uh, a person just died!!!!

The PDF from the NYT is much easier to read. I know a few of us posted it already!!

.

https://assets.documentcl...Files1.pdf

someone who at that point has been awake for probably well over 24 hours.

-

While I'm sure this was awrenching thing for Andrew to be part of, he didn't have the kind of personal investment in the situation that the people in P's inner circle.

-

I think Andrew comes across fine here. He seemed genuinely concerned with trying to help Prince. He wanted to get to PP asap when he got off that all-night flight. I think Kirk and Meron delayed slightly to try to accomdate Prince's schedule. I think that they likely felt that after P's dr's appoinment the previous evening, P had things basically under control for the time. And frankly he probably would have been basically fine when they arrived at PP had he taken say a regular percocet to 2 that night and not the fentanyl-laced stuff.

cloveringold85 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

precioux said: A body cools about 1 or 2 degrees per hour, he was so thin he would probably cool faster as no fat insulation...I have not understood the leisurely morning prior to them finding him...kornfeld said he wanted to go right to paisley but Kirk said they should eat and what ever. It makes no sense for someone to take the red eye and then waste time before attending a gravely ill person....zero sense

.

Didn't he have time to eat on the plane? Does not sound like they were on a "life saving mission", as Dr. Kornfeld put it.

.

Who the fuck goes home and goes to sleep after something like that just happens.....uh, a person just died!!!!

Well maybe that food wasn't what Ray Roberts brought. Or maybe someone had put it in the fridge by the time of the memorial.

-

What do you think the significance of the "inconsistency" is? Just getting some detail off isn't necessarily sinister.

Lovejunky said:

another inconsistancy...

THe Food was on the table in the videos but according to Ray Roberts

When he returned to the musician’s studio home for his memorial service a few days later, Roberts found it in the refrigerator – just as he’d left it.

Yes, I looked at that video too. I honestly can't tell if they've been eaten at all or not. The one with ?salad? also has writing on it but I can't make it out. The Chef did say he delivered food that evening as opposed to cooking anything there. I think the Chef said one of the items he made was a bisque?

precioux said:

(deleted my own comment. Misread the response)
[Edited 4/22/18 19:02pm]

Lovejunky said:

another inconsistancy...

THe Food was on the table in the videos but according to Ray Roberts

When he returned to the musician’s studio home for his memorial service a few days later, Roberts found it in the refrigerator – just as he’d left it.

The chef states what he brought in the article, too; He cooked Prince a roasted red pepper bisque with a kale and spring vegetable salad.

However, stating it was just as he left it - I wonder if he meant it was simply untouched OR that he literally put it in the fridge too. There are pics of the inside of a fridge on 4/21 and nothing that really matches the description except there is a container with a blue plastic lid inside a brown paper bag...

Okay, I'm getting really confused with the part with Manuela (#270). She said Prince was never nervous before a show and never had to take anything to calm him down!

.

She also said that Kirk never told her that Prince overdosed on that plane! She had to find out from the news about the Narcan! I can't believe this shit!! Kirk didn't tell her??

.

And, what's the deal on Prince's jacket and gloves laying on the hallway floor?

.

The night before Prince died, Kirk told Manuela that he "cleared Paisley Park", and Prince was saying "I can't kick this"??

.

...........I've had enough for one day! I'm gonna call it a night folks!!