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Reply #270 posted 04/22/18 9:06pm

Bodhitheblackd
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Menes said:

206Michelle said:

Prince was in denial about what made him vomit, clearly. confused

His denial and not seeking help...it's what caused his life to end as a Greek tragedy, Chanhassen-style.

Setting aside what the ME stated, do you believe this "greek tragedy" is the result of an accident, or is it a personal failing that lead to something intentional?

The 'tragedy' part of the 'Greek Tragedy-Chanhassen-style' is that the Hero always carries within him the seeds of his own destruction. The Hero is well protected from external attack but is commonly destroyed by himself.

In this case and IMO Hubris was the culprit.In Greek tragedy, hubris is "excessive pride toward or defiance of the gods"

Not defiance of God per se ...but the gods who tell you what and who you can become or not become or that skinny, black 5'2" guys are not by definition sex symbols, or that real men don't wear makeup or heels or no you can't release an album whenever you want, etc, ad infinitum.

He prevailed over all the nay sayers...but he was still his own worst enemy.

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Reply #271 posted 04/22/18 9:10pm

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^^ bawl fro

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Reply #272 posted 04/22/18 9:17pm

disch

The report notes emails sent in the very-early-morning hours to Prince that went unresponded to (I can't remember all the exact times). Of course, just because he didn't respond doesn't mean he was already gone, but it is one distinct possibility (esp considering Prince's typical night-owl ways)

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

jtfolden said:


If we look at the numbers and do the math, it states that body temp drops 1.5F per hour. So even if Prince had been dead the full 6 hours indicated by that time, his body temp could still be as high as 89.6. ...and this ignores that the ambient temp of PP in general may have been lower than the temp inside the elevator which was alluded to I believe.


It says rigor begins within 2 to 6 hours after death. AK, KJ, and MB were eating between 8-9 so no it doesn't seem possible he would have been alive at that point BUT Should they have gone over as soon as AK got off the plane like he wanted? YES...

But we do not know what his body temperature was when they found him, right. One of the responders said they thought he still felt warm which is why they tried to resuscitate, right?...so I am guessing the ME is the one that gave the time of death window?...time of death is very hard to determine with totally accuracy that is why there is always such a big window of possibility to a death that was not witnessed, really time of death is an educated guess

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Reply #273 posted 04/22/18 9:56pm

80tomato

In #36 it statesthar Prince was wearing a" cut long sleeve black shirt and a gry shirt with the sleeves cut off under".I understand someone stated previously that the black shirt was cut to aid in revival efforts , but it does seem strange that the unfer shirt had the sleeves cut off .If Princes arms were already stiffand Kirk wanted to dress him , then cuttng the sleeves would be the easiest way to do it ..on the other hand ,why put 2 shirts on ...ok I am thinking while I type

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Reply #274 posted 04/22/18 9:58pm

benni

206Michelle said:

benni said:


Right, but Mani, nor Mayte were at that one. That's why they held one in L.A. (jointly) on May 11th. So the only way she could have known anything would have been for someone to tell her. So she's getting things second hand and then passing them on to Omarr. Anything second hand, could have been embellished.

Mayte was at the private memorial at PP.

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Prince's Friends and Family at Paisley Park for 'Beautiful' Private Memorial as Singer's Body Is Cremated

MELODY CHIU and MARIA MERCEDES LARA

April 23, 2016 06:25 PM

People (online)

Link: http://people.com/celebri...sley-park/

Excerpts:

Friends and family gathered at Paisley Park Studios in Chanhassen, Minnesota, on Saturday in honor of iconic musician Prince.

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Sheila E was spotted arriving at the compound on Saturday, dressed in an all white outfit. Other friends and family members, including Mayte Garcia, were spotted arriving as well, some of whom brought purple floral arrangements. A source confirms to PEOPLE that it was a private memorial for the singer.

[Edited 4/22/18 19:29pm]


Thanks for the correction 206Michelle! I couldn't find the article to verify, but for some reason was thinking she wasn't.

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Reply #275 posted 04/22/18 10:00pm

benni

disch said:

It's in Omarr's statement (paragraph marked with 167 -- the pdf I'm looking at doesn't have page numbers), where Omarr was describing Prince and Larry's recent "falling out": "Omarr said his brother believed in hard work and didn't like "freeloaders.""

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How Omarr would know about this, I have no idea. Omarr also says he hadn't been in contact with Prince since 2011. And Larry spent an hour with Prince at PP on April 18.

benni said:


And it was reported that Larry and Prince were "on the outs" because Larry wouldn't do anything, and Prince didn't like "freeloaders". Can't remember which page of the documents that I read that in, but I read it.

[Edited 4/22/18 19:33pm]


Thanks, disch. I knew I had read it somewhere. I'm wondering where Omarr is getting all of his information, especially if he hadn't been in contact with Prince since 2011. It seems to me he was wanting to play a larger role in Prince's life, and just didn't have it, and was trying to take a larger role in his passing by "knowing more" than what he could have possibly known.

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Reply #276 posted 04/22/18 10:03pm

benni

206Michelle said:

precioux said:

Disch, I understand your points..but... if KJ thought Prince was ok and and could handle himself, WHY did he admittedly take the 3 prescriptions P had just gotten from the pharmacy under the guise that in his opinion,Prince should only be taking those meds (Clonidine, Xanax) in a “supervised setting”(this is in the documents)...meaning he did not trust Prince would not take them all at one time or take too much? This makes no sense. KJ knew he was not in a good frame of mind disch said:

precioux, great points, I totally agree with you!!!


I think that Kirk took them just to make sure that Prince wouldn't take them without supervision, considering what he had just went through on the 14th. It wasn't a matter of him taking too much, or taking them all, but rather that he recognized that Prince had a problem and wanted to make sure to keep him safe and not tempt him to take the meds in a way not prescribed without that added supervision and safety net.

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Reply #277 posted 04/22/18 10:21pm

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disch said:

The report notes emails sent in the very-early-morning hours to Prince that went unresponded to (I can't remember all the exact times). Of course, just because he didn't respond doesn't mean he was already gone, but it is one distinct possibility (esp considering Prince's typical night-owl ways)

We know the last time Prince sent an email from his account was at 10:03PM on 4/20 to Phaedra. A friend sent an email at 4:26AM with the subject line "Talk?" but got no response.

It also looks like there were no completed calls into or out of PP's phone system during the night/early morning of 4/21 going off the reports. It appears there were no calls made/received the evening of the 20th, either. On prior days it doesn't seem uncommon to see calls up until midnight or even 1/2AM, sometimes all through the night... (as an aside, it was reported in the media that Prince talked to Will Smith the night before he died. Those calls actually happened on 4/19, not 4/20.)

The email from Phaedra is a request for him to call "Marilyn" (whoever) and his 10:03 reply is "Done. Thanks"... Oddly it doesn't seem like that call was made on a PP phone at that time but he could have done it earlier at any time, as well.


Has anyone read ANYTHING in the data dump that shows any form of contact with Prince after 10:03PM? I think that timing is pretty significant.

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Reply #278 posted 04/22/18 10:25pm

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80tomato said:

In #36 it statesthar Prince was wearing a" cut long sleeve black shirt and a gry shirt with the sleeves cut off under".I understand someone stated previously that the black shirt was cut to aid in revival efforts , but it does seem strange that the unfer shirt had the sleeves cut off .If Princes arms were already stiffand Kirk wanted to dress him , then cuttng the sleeves would be the easiest way to do it ..on the other hand ,why put 2 shirts on ...ok I am thinking while I type


Kirk did not "dress" Prince or move him or clean him up or anything else... There's nothing at all to support it and on top of that, there was evidence in the elevator that things happened there.

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Reply #279 posted 04/22/18 10:25pm

Purplebflogirl

I think several orgers should be investigators..not being sarcastic..You guys are good!
PennyPurple,disch & Clovingame85 have been throughly reading the reports for several days and posting.
I check in a few times a day and you guys are good!
[Edited 4/22/18 22:25pm]
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Reply #280 posted 04/22/18 10:35pm

dreamer5

jtfolden said:

disch said:

The report notes emails sent in the very-early-morning hours to Prince that went unresponded to (I can't remember all the exact times). Of course, just because he didn't respond doesn't mean he was already gone, but it is one distinct possibility (esp considering Prince's typical night-owl ways)

We know the last time Prince sent an email from his account was at 10:03PM on 4/20 to Phaedra. A friend sent an email at 4:26AM with the subject line "Talk?" but got no response.

It also looks like there were no completed calls into or out of PP's phone system during the night/early morning of 4/21 going off the reports. It appears there were no calls made/received the evening of the 20th, either. On prior days it doesn't seem uncommon to see calls up until midnight or even 1/2AM, sometimes all through the night... (as an aside, it was reported in the media that Prince talked to Will Smith the night before he died. Those calls actually happened on 4/19, not 4/20.)

The email from Phaedra is a request for him to call "Marilyn" (whoever) and his 10:03 reply is "Done. Thanks"... Oddly it doesn't seem like that call was made on a PP phone at that time but he could have done it earlier at any time, as well.


Has anyone read ANYTHING in the data dump that shows any form of contact with Prince after 10:03PM? I think that timing is pretty significant.

How about the fact that 70% (in the month before his death) of incoming/outgoing calls to PP were from/to Natlaya Philips (the little girl from Milion Days video-maybe 21 years old now. Police call her and she will not speak to the about it. The police just accept that. I'm not an investigator, but I would think that would be an important person to speak with.

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Reply #281 posted 04/22/18 10:36pm

PeteSilas

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Setting aside what the ME stated, do you believe this "greek tragedy" is the result of an accident, or is it a personal failing that lead to something intentional?

The 'tragedy' part of the 'Greek Tragedy-Chanhassen-style' is that the Hero always carries within him the seeds of his own destruction. The Hero is well protected from external attack but is commonly destroyed by himself.

In this case and IMO Hubris was the culprit.In Greek tragedy, hubris is "excessive pride toward or defiance of the gods"

Not defiance of God per se ...but the gods who tell you what and who you can become or not become or that skinny, black 5'2" guys are not by definition sex symbols, or that real men don't wear makeup or heels or no you can't release an album whenever you want, etc, ad infinitum.

He prevailed over all the nay sayers...but he was still his own worst enemy.

I don't know, i still can't understand it. we're still getting a lot of contradictory info. The idea of a "fatal flaw" i don't know about either, Prince had lots of flaws as all men do, I don't know if they caused this. and we all know he's hardly an anamoly, something about the rockstar lifestyle just isn't spiritually healthy, i've said it since MJ died. From what i'm seeing, prince didn't really want to be here anymore, it looks like he didn't try very hard to avoid a second od and talked like he was ready to move on. even if that was true, there are still a myriad of questions about why he would feel that way, where he got what amounts to kill pills, was he already deathly ill with something terminal as many of us have posited? Overall, I guess the cops did what they could, they made a few mistakes, big ones, but 214 pages is a lot of work, more than you or i'd get if we keeled over. this will probably be the best info we get until the autopsy results are opened in the next century.

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Reply #282 posted 04/22/18 10:43pm

Purplebflogirl

dreamer5 said:



jtfolden said:




disch said:


The report notes emails sent in the very-early-morning hours to Prince that went unresponded to (I can't remember all the exact times). Of course, just because he didn't respond doesn't mean he was already gone, but it is one distinct possibility (esp considering Prince's typical night-owl ways)




We know the last time Prince sent an email from his account was at 10:03PM on 4/20 to Phaedra. A friend sent an email at 4:26AM with the subject line "Talk?" but got no response.

It also looks like there were no completed calls into or out of PP's phone system during the night/early morning of 4/21 going off the reports. It appears there were no calls made/received the evening of the 20th, either. On prior days it doesn't seem uncommon to see calls up until midnight or even 1/2AM, sometimes all through the night... (as an aside, it was reported in the media that Prince talked to Will Smith the night before he died. Those calls actually happened on 4/19, not 4/20.)

The email from Phaedra is a request for him to call "Marilyn" (whoever) and his 10:03 reply is "Done. Thanks"... Oddly it doesn't seem like that call was made on a PP phone at that time but he could have done it earlier at any time, as well.



Has anyone read ANYTHING in the data dump that shows any form of contact with Prince after 10:03PM? I think that timing is pretty significant.





How about the fact that 70% (in the month before his death) of incoming/outgoing calls to PP were from/to Natlaya Philips (the little girl from Milion Days video-maybe 21 years old now. Police call her and she will not speak to the about it. The police just accept that. I'm not an investigator, but I would think that would be an important person to speak with.


Can anyone post the phone records to/ from PP? I can't access the files and I have seen various references here to several calls
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Reply #283 posted 04/22/18 10:44pm

Mumio

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PeteSilas said:

I don't know, i still can't understand it. we're still getting a lot of contradictory info. The idea of a "fatal flaw" i don't know about either, Prince had lots of flaws as all men do, I don't know if they caused this. and we all know he's hardly an anamoly, something about the rockstar lifestyle just isn't spiritually healthy, i've said it since MJ died. From what i'm seeing, prince didn't really want to be here anymore, it looks like he didn't try very hard to avoid a second od and talked like he was ready to move on. even if that was true, there are still a myriad of questions about why he would feel that way, where he got what amounts to kill pills, was he already deathly ill with something terminal as many of us have posited? Overall, I guess the cops did what they could, they made a few mistakes, big ones, but 214 pages is a lot of work, more than you or i'd get if we keeled over. this will probably be the best info we get until the autopsy results are opened in the next century.



This is true. There may still be more news coming too.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #284 posted 04/22/18 10:45pm

PeteSilas

206Michelle said:

jtfolden said:

WAIT... if you're trying to connect the soup made by the chef to statements made by Prince to Dr. Schulenberg then you've got some wires crossed on the timelines. The bisque soup was not delivered until AFTER Prince had come back from seeing the Doc.

Yes, Prince told the Doc he had vomited earlier in the week and blamed it on some soup but that's not the same soup.


Also, I looked at some later photos from 4/21 and the meal is missing from the table we see it at in the video. So perhaps Kirk or Meron had set the meal out for Prince to eat the evening of 4/20 and whoever cleaned up later in 4/21 sat the food back in the fridge.

Prince was in denial about what made him vomit, clearly. confused

His denial and not seeking help...it's what caused his life to end as a Greek tragedy, Chanhassen-style.

he seems to have said those types of things to the medical folk but he said different things to JH and Kirk, the bizarre thing he said to kirk, "you'll still do the shows if I'm not here" are just senseless. what show without the one man on the bill? wierd, but maybe prince was that out of it.

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Reply #285 posted 04/22/18 10:48pm

PeteSilas

poppys said:

NME01 said:

kmama07 said: 100% again. How a certain associate can still turn up to PP knowing that we have all seen the transcripts is beyond me. Shameful. The idea that P really kept this all completely to himself is a joke. The guy is a musical genius, he simply doesn’t have the intuition and ability to score illegal meds on his own.... he’s not exactly streetwise.

LOL, Prince was streetwise.

hard to say, guy was coddled since he was 18 basically. all things being relative though, compared to some he'd be streetwise and to others he wouldn't be. However, his general wariness would make me doubt he did a lot of the actual running around in the streets scoring pills.

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Reply #286 posted 04/22/18 10:48pm

HatrinaHaterwi
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benni said:

206Michelle said:

precioux, great points, I totally agree with you!!!


I think that Kirk took them just to make sure that Prince wouldn't take them without supervision, considering what he had just went through on the 14th. It wasn't a matter of him taking too much, or taking them all, but rather that he recognized that Prince had a problem and wanted to make sure to keep him safe and not tempt him to take the meds in a way not prescribed without that added supervision and safety net.


And yet he somehow missed ALL of the damn opiates that ended up in Prince and were later found by the police in various locations of PP. disbelief

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Reply #287 posted 04/22/18 10:51pm

PeteSilas

he should have never looked here, like i said, it's a cesspool, then and now but especiially then. He must have had some morbid compulsion to see what people were saying. I could never see Springsteen giving a shit what all his loser fans think of him and i'm sure it would be about as negative on any site devoted to him. I'm saying it's kinda strange for him to be fixated with this place, one thing i learned for myself in life is just how easy it is to avoid negative things and people, it's really easy so I don't get why he didn't make it easy by not ever looking at this place.

206Michelle said:

XxAxX said:

i feel bad that we ORGers were likely also part of why he drove himself so hard and worked so hard at keeping up his image when he was feeling so bad.

we can blame his close associates all we like, but the truth is that Prince is known to have spent time on this site and there were some truly malicious things said about him here.

maybe he felt he coulodn't let his guard down with so many ugly ill-wishers lurking around, poking fun at everything from his hair to his music.

i'm sorry i ever even posted on those joke threads about did he have a rib removed? does he really have six toes? and so on.

i never really believed he was here. nor that he was in any way at all emotionally or physically fragile.

going forward in life i'm going to be super extra careful what i say - even in jest - to anyone here and elsewhere. sad

I love what you have said XxAxX; it's very self-reflective and accountable.

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(I did not join the org until after his death, although I knew this site existed.)

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I think that as much as Prince liked to say that he did not care what others think, he really did care what other people, including his fans, thought. Having watched many videos of his live performances, he feeds off of the energy of the crowd, enjoyed putting smiles on the faces of his fans in the audience, and showed delight in being at the center of their attention and adoration. Few artists besides him allow fans to come into his own home as he allowed fans to come to his shows at Paisley Park. He truly wanted to develop a relationship with his fans.

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I wonder if he understood how much people loved him and cared for him.

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I wonder if he spent his entire life trying to develop relationships with his fans, and with various people (especially women), as a way to fill the void of feeling that his parents did not love him, want him, or care for him. It seems that he did not have that secure attachment and trust of his parents to use as a shelter in the storms of life. He seems to have had very insecure attachment to his parents which is not his fault because he was a child when his parents divorced, his mother re-married, and his father kicked him out of his home. Unfortunately, his time as a father was so short that he did not have much of a chance to redeem himself as a father and give children of his own the love that he never received from his own parents. I feel that deep down, he was emotionally fragile due to his trust/abandonment/attachment issues that resulted from the family dysfunction of his childhood. This is not a criticism of him; it's really a criticism of his parents.

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It's interesting. Neal Karlen wrote the following:

"Because there’s one thing I’m positive I know about Prince. After knowing him in forever alternating cycles of greater, lesser and sometimes not-at-all friendship over the last 31 years: His biggest and perhaps only fear was dying alone."

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Source:

Letters from Prince: A Minneapolis writer remembers his relationship with a lost star

Link: http://www.startribune.co...377555951/

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Reply #288 posted 04/22/18 10:55pm

disch

Some here may have "posited" he was deathly ill but there's not a lick of information in this report that supports that. There's no record of doctors visits (or even a regular doctor) other than the few Dr S visits, no prescribed medications other than the Dr S stuff, nothing. And this deathy illness apparently whizzed right by the doctors in Moline and Dr S, who made no mention of it (and of course Prince apparently didn't mention this supposed terminal illness to Dr S either, even though Prince was voluntarily visiting him to get relief from his various complaints, and that might be pertinent info. Prince did disclose his hip surgery and even his wisdom-teeth removal to him).

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

I don't know, i still can't understand it. we're still getting a lot of contradictory info. The idea of a "fatal flaw" i don't know about either, Prince had lots of flaws as all men do, I don't know if they caused this. and we all know he's hardly an anamoly, something about the rockstar lifestyle just isn't spiritually healthy, i've said it since MJ died. From what i'm seeing, prince didn't really want to be here anymore, it looks like he didn't try very hard to avoid a second od and talked like he was ready to move on. even if that was true, there are still a myriad of questions about why he would feel that way, where he got what amounts to kill pills, was he already deathly ill with something terminal as many of us have posited? Overall, I guess the cops did what they could, they made a few mistakes, big ones, but 214 pages is a lot of work, more than you or i'd get if we keeled over. this will probably be the best info we get until the autopsy results are opened in the next century.



This is true. There may still be more news coming too.

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Reply #289 posted 04/22/18 10:56pm

disch

yeah that jumped out at me too. I mean, 70%???

dreamer5 said:

jtfolden said:

We know the last time Prince sent an email from his account was at 10:03PM on 4/20 to Phaedra. A friend sent an email at 4:26AM with the subject line "Talk?" but got no response.

It also looks like there were no completed calls into or out of PP's phone system during the night/early morning of 4/21 going off the reports. It appears there were no calls made/received the evening of the 20th, either. On prior days it doesn't seem uncommon to see calls up until midnight or even 1/2AM, sometimes all through the night... (as an aside, it was reported in the media that Prince talked to Will Smith the night before he died. Those calls actually happened on 4/19, not 4/20.)

The email from Phaedra is a request for him to call "Marilyn" (whoever) and his 10:03 reply is "Done. Thanks"... Oddly it doesn't seem like that call was made on a PP phone at that time but he could have done it earlier at any time, as well.


Has anyone read ANYTHING in the data dump that shows any form of contact with Prince after 10:03PM? I think that timing is pretty significant.

How about the fact that 70% (in the month before his death) of incoming/outgoing calls to PP were from/to Natlaya Philips (the little girl from Milion Days video-maybe 21 years old now. Police call her and she will not speak to the about it. The police just accept that. I'm not an investigator, but I would think that would be an important person to speak with.

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Reply #290 posted 04/22/18 10:57pm

PeteSilas

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

I don't know, i still can't understand it. we're still getting a lot of contradictory info. The idea of a "fatal flaw" i don't know about either, Prince had lots of flaws as all men do, I don't know if they caused this. and we all know he's hardly an anamoly, something about the rockstar lifestyle just isn't spiritually healthy, i've said it since MJ died. From what i'm seeing, prince didn't really want to be here anymore, it looks like he didn't try very hard to avoid a second od and talked like he was ready to move on. even if that was true, there are still a myriad of questions about why he would feel that way, where he got what amounts to kill pills, was he already deathly ill with something terminal as many of us have posited? Overall, I guess the cops did what they could, they made a few mistakes, big ones, but 214 pages is a lot of work, more than you or i'd get if we keeled over. this will probably be the best info we get until the autopsy results are opened in the next century.



This is true. There may still be more news coming too.

from where? i'm sure people know things and will talk but you know, i'm kinda surprised with how long it's taking people to come out with stories about MJ so i guess we'll wait. Elvis was different, everyone said everything about the man, much of it resulting in things that hurt his image but it's kinda ironic, in this era of the internet, news everywhere, back then, people were telling a helluva lot more about a major star of the time. I still hope the jody chandlers and all these kids come out someday and say they were either full of shit or not but it seems to be taking a long time. Well, we ain't got to worry about that kind of wierdness with Prince, compared to Elvis and Mj prince was conservative and humble.

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Reply #291 posted 04/22/18 10:59pm

disch

I think it's incredibly easy for big rock stars to get whatever drugs they want. Drugs are awash in that industry, and for the super-famous and -rich contingent? it's not a problem.

PeteSilas said:

poppys said:

LOL, Prince was streetwise.

hard to say, guy was coddled since he was 18 basically. all things being relative though, compared to some he'd be streetwise and to others he wouldn't be. However, his general wariness would make me doubt he did a lot of the actual running around in the streets scoring pills.

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Reply #292 posted 04/22/18 11:07pm

PeteSilas

disch said:

I think it's incredibly easy for big rock stars to get whatever drugs they want. Drugs are awash in that industry, and for the super-famous and -rich contingent? it's not a problem.

PeteSilas said:

hard to say, guy was coddled since he was 18 basically. all things being relative though, compared to some he'd be streetwise and to others he wouldn't be. However, his general wariness would make me doubt he did a lot of the actual running around in the streets scoring pills.

ya, but i thought we were talking about how much of the procuring PRN did himself, i just have a hard time picturing that. more than likely he'd have other folks doing it.

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Reply #293 posted 04/22/18 11:19pm

Lovejunky

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

I think it's incredibly easy for big rock stars to get whatever drugs they want. Drugs are awash in that industry, and for the super-famous and -rich contingent? it's not a problem.

ya, but i thought we were talking about how much of the procuring PRN did himself, i just have a hard time picturing that. more than likely he'd have other folks doing it.

If you listen to all the Phone Interviews

the general consensus is that SOme one got those pills for him.

His assistants, His other Body Guard, his ex managers,

they all report that Prince never did anything for himself

He would always ask someone to get this or get that

From ordering Clothes online to

getting drug store items..

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Reply #294 posted 04/22/18 11:29pm

PeteSilas

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, but i thought we were talking about how much of the procuring PRN did himself, i just have a hard time picturing that. more than likely he'd have other folks doing it.

If you listen to all the Phone Interviews

the general consensus is that SOme one got those pills for him.

His assistants, His other Body Guard, his ex managers,

they all report that Prince never did anything for himself

He would always ask someone to get this or get that

From ordering Clothes online to

getting drug store items..

that' sounds about right, i'm just trying not to be too presumptuous. also, i've thought many times, as bad as the guys around elvis were, and they seemed to really do some slick shit, as bad as they were, not even they supported elvis destroying himself. these folks around Prince i don't really get. I mean, I get that a lot of managers might not interfere with a clients personal business but it sounds to me that Prince didn't do things like Elvis and the colonel(the colonel did most of the business dealings on the phone or in his office and never hung out with Elvis), his people were right there a lot of the time and made to work. I'm also surprised that these names, Meron, Phaedra weren't really out here that much if at all the last two years being as they were such an integral part of his last days.

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Reply #295 posted 04/22/18 11:45pm

Lovejunky

PeteSilas said:

Lovejunky said:

If you listen to all the Phone Interviews

the general consensus is that SOme one got those pills for him.

His assistants, His other Body Guard, his ex managers,

they all report that Prince never did anything for himself

He would always ask someone to get this or get that

From ordering Clothes online to

getting drug store items..

that' sounds about right, i'm just trying not to be too presumptuous. also, i've thought many times, as bad as the guys around elvis were, and they seemed to really do some slick shit, as bad as they were, not even they supported elvis destroying himself. these folks around Prince i don't really get. I mean, I get that a lot of managers might not interfere with a clients personal business but it sounds to me that Prince didn't do things like Elvis and the colonel(the colonel did most of the business dealings on the phone or in his office and never hung out with Elvis), his people were right there a lot of the time and made to work. I'm also surprised that these names, Meron, Phaedra weren't really out here that much if at all the last two years being as they were such an integral part of his last days.

Meron was with him for the last two years attending to his every personal wish

Phaedra was around since 2013 and has been managing his money for the last two years

She is not very popular BTW

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Reply #296 posted 04/22/18 11:47pm

recordmanben

There is so much discussion about how shady the people who worked for Prince were. When you are forgetting how private this man was.

If I had an addiction I would make sure my inner circle (if they knew anything) wouldnt let a peep out at all ESPECIALLY after I died.

It's either looking at these people as if they are hiding something to cover themselves or are they actually protecting Prince's legacy?
Who do you trust more? The ones who are spilling all the secrets he intrusted them with or the ones who are keeping hush hush?

I get it, it's a police investigation and everything should be truthful and under oath. Who cares? For all we know, these people are actually staying true to their boss' word and keeping his private problems PRIVATE.

We are not his family or even close to an aquantence. We are fans. The man was privately fighting demons that only a few of us know how it actually feels.

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Reply #297 posted 04/22/18 11:58pm

PeteSilas

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

that' sounds about right, i'm just trying not to be too presumptuous. also, i've thought many times, as bad as the guys around elvis were, and they seemed to really do some slick shit, as bad as they were, not even they supported elvis destroying himself. these folks around Prince i don't really get. I mean, I get that a lot of managers might not interfere with a clients personal business but it sounds to me that Prince didn't do things like Elvis and the colonel(the colonel did most of the business dealings on the phone or in his office and never hung out with Elvis), his people were right there a lot of the time and made to work. I'm also surprised that these names, Meron, Phaedra weren't really out here that much if at all the last two years being as they were such an integral part of his last days.

Meron was with him for the last two years attending to his every personal wish

Phaedra was around since 2013 and has been managing his money for the last two years

She is not very popular BTW

i've heard phaedra's name but i don't think i heard of meron, then again, our man had such a revolving door, it's hard to remember all the names. and no, i don't think much of anyone who allowed someone to hurt themselves, but I can say, that i have a life that would attest to me not fucking around and tolerating drugs or alcohol, i don't compromise on that with the people i'm around and i do not accept any drugs or any alchohol from all the morons who try to push it on me in the name of being friendly. so, therefore, i can tell you, i would not tolerate prince hurting himself and help him do it. I'd be gone, or i'd kidnap him, blow the whistle, whatever, but then i'm pretty extreme with shit as you may be able to see.

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Reply #298 posted 04/23/18 12:12am

Lovejunky

Obviously the Recovery without Walls brochures were found lying around but

I cant understand how come during all the investigtions and the Questioning

Neither Kirk nor Meron were asked


"Was Prince aware that help was coming that Morning ?"

I mean they asked 10,000 times whether Prince had a cell Phone !!!!

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Reply #299 posted 04/23/18 1:11am

MMJas

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precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

Penny, I have the utmost respect for you for saying this......& I could not agree more!!

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PennyPurple said:

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After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.


1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.


2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.


This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.


And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.


And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.


Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.

The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.


The above is my opinion.

Co-sign, Penny! And the ones singing KJ’s praises from the “CELEBRATION”?!?! Seriously?! You folk are DISGUSTING

Agree. From the beginning I've been saying some associates were too quick to make money off his death, imo. T-shirts and tribute songs and books and concerts. It did not make sense then and it certainly does not make sense now. Especially after reading the report and realizing how people around him mistrusted eachother, the inconsistencies, etc.

And upon reading the report, altough some maintained they did not know about Prince's painkiller addiction, there are many that admitted they knew, as is the case with Crystal Zehetner, a former business affairs manager (2010-2015), who even said Prince asked some people where to get pain pills and she advised them not to get involved. She also stated that Prince was in a lot of pain during the Australian tour. (report page 178, numbers 321, 324). She stated everyone knew, so yes, it was an open secret, which makes me think that all those who interacted with him on a daily basis must have known, even though they told the Police they did not. They might have not been aware of the recent extent of his addiction, which i also find odd cause all you had to do was look at how debilitated he seemed, but whatever. This is my opinion.

[Edited 4/23/18 2:11am]

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