precioux said:

luv4u said:

No where in the press conference was Metz alluding to anyone, no one.

BS! Listen to it again... Metz even went as far as to say he was not here to “morally judge”...and he legally could not charge anyone based on what he basically knew but could not prove in a court of law. He did not have the evidence...it was deleted, remember??

Can you provide the link with the full press conference, please, Precioux?

I find what you say here interesting, cause the detective could have had his hunches and suspicions but if he was not able to make good on them and prove them, then he was left with a closed case. i think.

jtfolden said:

benni said:

What I want to know is HOW Manuela knows Kirk was deleting files off Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents? She was not at Paisley Park. She was not in Prince's inner circle any more. There is no conceivable way that she could have had that information. And according to the press conference that Mayte gave shortly after, Mani was the one that called and told her about Prince, that Mani had heard it from the news too.

Remember the little private memorial they had at PP just after he passed away?

The investigators confirmed that someone accessed Prince's computer and gmail account on 04/23/2016 and deleted all of his emails prior to 04/19/2016. So at least as far as deleting things off the computer, she was telling the truth.

[Edited 4/22/18 17:39pm]

This bothers me. Even if you delete stuff from the computer there are ways of accessing it, aren't there? Surely the Police could have done that.
Ûnless they did and realized what was deleted and shredded was personal stuff in order to ensure Prince's privacy and not something incriminating.

jtfolden said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I don't know where this stuff is coming from but it's crazy!

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Omarr states that Prince cut ties with him because he left the JW and did not like their "cult" practices. Omarr states that Larry was Prince's "Handler", and got very defensive when Omarr showed concern for Prince.

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I kinda feel bad for Omarr.

It's also in the files that Mani tried going to Larry because she was concerned about his usage of pain killers and that Larry told her she wasn't a doctor and to not try to diagnose.... What a friend he was...

That was not a shock to me. Also, in the report it states that LG drove past his own house twice before stopping, upon seeing the detective on his front door waiting to speak to him. Perhaps he thought it was a journalist.

He stated he had no knowledge of Prince's pill addiction to the Police, yet he told Mani that? So it seems that it was indeed an open secret and they all decided to deny any knowledge.

I also think there will be more news to come, now that all this is out in the open. People might start talking after reading what other have said about them, imo.

[Edited 4/23/18 1:55am]

Something else I found sad and perhaps telling. All of the immediate phone calls both Meron and Kirk made right after the 911 call had been placed, it seems not one call was made to a family member....

jtfolden said:

benni said:

What I want to know is HOW Manuela knows Kirk was deleting files off Prince's computer and Phaedra was shredding documents? She was not at Paisley Park. She was not in Prince's inner circle any more. There is no conceivable way that she could have had that information. And according to the press conference that Mayte gave shortly after, Mani was the one that called and told her about Prince, that Mani had heard it from the news too.

Remember the little private memorial they had at PP just after he passed away?

The investigators confirmed that someone accessed Prince's computer and gmail account on 04/23/2016 and deleted all of his emails prior to 04/19/2016. So at least as far as deleting things off the computer, she was telling the truth.

[Edited 4/22/18 17:39pm]

His ISP would have infomation on this. The police know this. I can't understand why a warrant wasn't issued for this data??

PeteSilas said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

dreamer5 said:

206Michelle said:

disch said:

MMJas said:

MMJas said:

disch said:

So since KJ and Meron didn't leave until 10:30 or 11 pm, he could've been coming down to see them and died in the elevator on the way down? And they just didn't know it.??

jtfolden said:

disch said:

The report notes emails sent in the very-early-morning hours to Prince that went unresponded to (I can't remember all the exact times). Of course, just because he didn't respond doesn't mean he was already gone, but it is one distinct possibility (esp considering Prince's typical night-owl ways)

We know the last time Prince sent an email from his account was at 10:03PM on 4/20 to Phaedra. A friend sent an email at 4:26AM with the subject line "Talk?" but got no response.

It also looks like there were no completed calls into or out of PP's phone system during the night/early morning of 4/21 going off the reports. It appears there were no calls made/received the evening of the 20th, either. On prior days it doesn't seem uncommon to see calls up until midnight or even 1/2AM, sometimes all through the night... (as an aside, it was reported in the media that Prince talked to Will Smith the night before he died. Those calls actually happened on 4/19, not 4/20.)

The email from Phaedra is a request for him to call "Marilyn" (whoever) and his 10:03 reply is "Done. Thanks"... Oddly it doesn't seem like that call was made on a PP phone at that time but he could have done it earlier at any time, as well.

Has anyone read ANYTHING in the data dump that shows any form of contact with Prince after 10:03PM? I think that timing is pretty significant.

Purplebflogirl said:

I think several orgers should be investigators..not being sarcastic..You guys are good! PennyPurple,disch & Clovingame85 have been throughly reading the reports for several days and posting. I check in a few times a day and you guys are good! [Edited 4/22/18 22:25pm]

Just imagine if they would've just checked on him before they left, he probably would still be alive.

PennyPurple said:

So since KJ and Meron didn't leave until 10:30 or 11 pm, he could've been coming down to see them and died in the elevator on the way down? And they just didn't know it.??

jtfolden said:

We know the last time Prince sent an email from his account was at 10:03PM on 4/20 to Phaedra. A friend sent an email at 4:26AM with the subject line "Talk?" but got no response.

It also looks like there were no completed calls into or out of PP's phone system during the night/early morning of 4/21 going off the reports. It appears there were no calls made/received the evening of the 20th, either. On prior days it doesn't seem uncommon to see calls up until midnight or even 1/2AM, sometimes all through the night... (as an aside, it was reported in the media that Prince talked to Will Smith the night before he died. Those calls actually happened on 4/19, not 4/20.)

The email from Phaedra is a request for him to call "Marilyn" (whoever) and his 10:03 reply is "Done. Thanks"... Oddly it doesn't seem like that call was made on a PP phone at that time but he could have done it earlier at any time, as well.

Has anyone read ANYTHING in the data dump that shows any form of contact with Prince after 10:03PM? I think that timing is pretty significant.

PennyPurple said:

So since KJ and Meron didn't leave until 10:30 or 11 pm, he could've been coming down to see them and died in the elevator on the way down? And they just didn't know it.??

With his clothes on Backwards?

I doubt it

Lovejunky said:

OperatingThetan said:

Lovejunky said:

With his clothes on Backwards?

I doubt it

It wasn't uncommon for Prince to wear his trousers and tops on backwards. This has been reported by various associates. Prince was found wearing the same clothes he wore to his medical appointment the day before. This clothing is clearly visible on both sets of footage and is documented and itemised in the reports. Unless Prince passed away naked or semi-clothed and Kirk dressed him before he was found by others, he would've been wearing those clothes backwards when the tragedy occured. If, and this is only speculation and rumour, Kirk did dress Prince to preserve his dignity I can only perceive that as an act of love. But I'm highly doubtful he did given the clothing Prince was discovered in was exactly what he was wearing when he was last seen alive. * [Edited 4/23/18 5:18am]

NO

Prince wore his undershirts INSIDE OUT, according to Judith Hill

WHo said it wasnt uncommon for Prince to wear his trousers and pants Backwards ?

WHich "Various Associates?"

Give me ONE

I dont recall reading that

So since KJ and Meron didn't leave until 10:30 or 11 pm, he could've been coming down to see them and died in the elevator on the way down? And they just didn't know it.??

That's what I've been thinking from the very beginning, tha he tried to get help but didn't make it. Thinking about it breaks my heart all over again......

sfinky1 said:

Something that really sticks out to me was how his jacket and gloves were found ON THE FLOOR upstairs in the hallway. Coupled with this it was noted that the sheets in his bedroom were 'disrupted' and pulled half off the bed onto the floor and a pill found in his bedsheets. Does this suggest that Prince made it to bed that night? That he perhaps took the fatal dose in bed? then maybe felt so unwell that he got up and frantically tried to get down to his car to go and get help? In the process he is so weak and staggering that he doesn't even get his jacket and gloves on, loses them on the floor and only manages to drag himself to the elevator

So since KJ and Meron didn't leave until 10:30 or 11 pm, he could've been coming down to see them and died in the elevator on the way down? And they just didn't know it.??

Something that really sticks out to me was how his jacket and gloves were found ON THE FLOOR upstairs in the hallway. Coupled with this it was noted that the sheets in his bedroom were 'disrupted' and pulled half off the bed onto the floor and a pill found in his bedsheets.

Does this suggest that Prince made it to bed that night?
That he perhaps took the fatal dose in bed?
then maybe felt so unwell that he got up and frantically tried to get down to his car to go and get help?
In the process he is so weak and staggering that he doesn't even get his jacket and gloves on, loses them on the floor and only manages to drag himself to the elevator

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky said:

OperatingThetan said:

Lovejunky said: It wasn't uncommon for Prince to wear his trousers and tops on backwards. This has been reported by various associates. Prince was found wearing the same clothes he wore to his medical appointment the day before. This clothing is clearly visible on both sets of footage and is documented and itemised in the reports. Unless Prince passed away naked or semi-clothed and Kirk dressed him before he was found by others, he would've been wearing those clothes backwards when the tragedy occured. If, and this is only speculation and rumour, Kirk did dress Prince to preserve his dignity I can only perceive that as an act of love. But I'm highly doubtful he did given the clothing Prince was discovered in was exactly what he was wearing when he was last seen alive. * [Edited 4/23/18 5:18am]

NO

Prince wore his undershirts INSIDE OUT, according to Judith Hill

WHo said it wasnt uncommon for Prince to wear his trousers and pants Backwards ?

WHich "Various Associates?"

Give me ONE

I dont recall reading that

I posted this before. in reply #273... and there was no comment

in line item #36 it says Princes under tshirt had the sleeves cut off...I just thought rhat was weird

[Edited 4/23/18 6:13am]

When files are deleted from a computer they can be restored by data recovery software that is readily available on the market. Especially if it has recently been deleted and was one of the last tasks performed on the computer.

However, if Prince accessed his Gmail account through his browser and his emails were deleted through the browser, then the deleted files are not on his computer and are rather on the Google servers. It may be possible to retrieve the info through broweser caches, but the best way would be to approach Google with a warrant and ask to see the deleted emails. google keep backups of accounts on their servers. Not sure why this was not done.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Imagine.

You find Prince.

What would you do ?

First of all, you don't know if 'someone' is dead rightaway.

So you check it very quickly.

Few people stay cool, most react hysterical or in shock.

All logic reactions.

Then you can touch the body and examin if the person is still alive,

or you shout for help.

If there's no help, you try to give aid.

You touch the body.

The person could be unconscious, you (just) don't know,

cause you (just) can't tell rightaway.

In Prince's case, being in an elevator, it's not very handy to move around and give help.

So, you put the body in more comfortable position to give aid.

All of this neraly always happens in a split few seconds.

There's basically no time for logical and calm respons.

And that's perfectly normal.

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When visual blood is involved by a victim, then,

maybe then, nothing will be touched.

All depends on who finds what and when and where.

But basically, a human respons is to help another person.

No matter what.

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Prince's dead was an accident and not expected.

Now, afterwards, it's easy to have opinions on everything.

Because nearly all pieces of the puzzle are there.

And even then...

There is not one victim situation that's the same.

There will always be questions.

Not everything will ever be solved.

No matter how good an ivestigation is done.

Prince and the ones around him had secrets.

We all have.

Think about it, there will always be more secrets and lies ending in graves,

than solved ones, or cleared up ones. And, for the better I believe.

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There's nothing to change about death.

I agree with you. But the folks who are positing "deathly illness" are alluding to conditions like cancer, AIDS -- not solely addiction.

206Michelle said:

My guess is that his addiction to painkillers was the illness. I believe that addiction is a disease or an illness. He was dependent on opioid painkillers for years, and eventually, the dependence turned into addiction and put Prince in a downward spiral where the addiction took on a life of its own. He may have also been experiencing depression or anxiety. Addiction, depression, and anxiety are all conditions that require treatment for healing to occur. They are not character flaws, but rather, chronic conditions that require treatment. disch said:

Some here may have "posited" he was deathly ill but there's not a lick of information in this report that supports that. There's no record of doctors visits (or even a regular doctor) other than the few Dr S visits, no prescribed medications other than the Dr S stuff, nothing. And this deathy illness apparently whizzed right by the doctors in Moline and Dr S, who made no mention of it (and of course Prince apparently didn't mention this supposed terminal illness to Dr S either, even though Prince was voluntarily visiting him to get relief from his various complaints, and that might be pertinent info. Prince did disclose his hip surgery and even his wisdom-teeth removal to him).