Revolution said:

Isn't it this simple? Open up a website and sell the download of the entire CD for $10.

That's an easy million for you every time. That's assuming there is a core fan base of 100,000.

Bwahahahaha. I suggest you go look at the viewing figures of his YouTube clips.

The new album was mentioned on ITV in the UK this morning. Nothing new, they basically quoted the Star Tribune article, but it's interesting that such little news (not even a release date) was mentioned on TV.

BartVanHemelen said:

Revolution said:

Isn't it this simple? Open up a website and sell the download of the entire CD for $10.

That's an easy million for you every time. That's assuming there is a core fan base of 100,000.

Bwahahahaha. I suggest you go look at the viewing figures of his YouTube clips.

I agree with a lot of what you say, but that just seems like you're being negative for the sake of it.

BartVanHemelen said:

Revolution said:

Isn't it this simple? Open up a website and sell the download of the entire CD for $10.

That's an easy million for you every time. That's assuming there is a core fan base of 100,000.

Bwahahahaha. I suggest you go look at the viewing figures of his YouTube clips.

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What's actually a little surprising looking at them is that Fallinlove2nite is one of the most viewed with nearly 400k!

BartVanHemelen said:

Revolution said:

Isn't it this simple? Open up a website and sell the download of the entire CD for $10.

That's an easy million for you every time. That's assuming there is a core fan base of 100,000.

Bwahahahaha. I suggest you go look at the viewing figures of his YouTube clips.

Just give it time.... (patience which he hasn't)

I fail 2 c what is trying to achieve by bashing WB execs continuously like that, BTW. I don't c anything good in public bashing of business partners. This work relationship, it seems, has gone sour b4 it's even started. Get ready for The WB Wars, Pt. II

BartVanHemelen said:

Revolution said:

Isn't it this simple? Open up a website and sell the download of the entire CD for $10.

That's an easy million for you every time. That's assuming there is a core fan base of 100,000.

Bwahahahaha. I suggest you go look at the viewing figures of his YouTube clips.

Yeah well I suggest YOU go look at them

Botanique: 76,000 views.

FallInLove2Nite: 164,000 + 375,000 views.

Something In The Water @ Manchester: 169,000 views.

Let's Go Crazy @ Manchester: 400,000 views.

Etc., etc.

databank said:

I fail 2 c what is trying to achieve by bashing WB execs continuously like that, BTW. I don't c anything good in public bashing of business partners. This work relationship, it seems, has gone sour b4 it's even started. Get ready for The WB Wars, Pt. II

He acts like a spoiled child who blame anyone else without acknowledgment to his own negative impact or influence in things.

In the end all focus on the music seems to be lost as duds ending in melting snow.

We all know this man is capable of great stuff when he just goes for the music.

[Edited 6/24/14 1:11am]

databank said:

Yeah well I suggest YOU go look at them

How many of those people would be willing to fork over $10/€10 for an album? (physical or download)

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Bwahahahaha. I suggest you go look at the viewing figures of his YouTube clips.

Yeah well I suggest YOU go look at them

Botanique: 76,000 views.

FallInLove2Nite: 164,000 + 375,000 views.

Something In The Water @ Manchester: 169,000 views.

Let's Go Crazy @ Manchester: 400,000 views.

Etc., etc.

3rdEyeGirl youtube doesn't recieve any promotion outside of Prince's twitter. 3 million on the Breakfast Can Wait video.

dualboot said:

databank said:

I fail 2 c what is trying to achieve by bashing WB execs continuously like that, BTW. I don't c anything good in public bashing of business partners. This work relationship, it seems, has gone sour b4 it's even started. Get ready for The WB Wars, Pt. II

He acts like a spoiled child who blame anyone else without acknowledgment to his own negative impact or influence in things.

In the end all focus on the music seems to be lost as duds ending in melting snow.

We all know this man is capable of great stuff when he just goes for the music.

[Edited 6/24/14 1:11am]

Thing is u know, I remember this line from Strange But True: "All negativity bows".

What do we get from interviews? Nothing but negativity! Labels execs r bad. Radios and music TV channels r bad. Tour promoters r bad. The internet is bad. People covering songs r bad. Youtube is bad. Music listeners r bad. Digital formats r bad. iTunes is bad. Fans sharing bootlegs r bad. Fan forums r bad. Journalists and music critics r bad. Etc., etc.

IDK, this man has had a wonderful life overall, he succeeded in more things than most people ever will, he's rich and he now owns all his music, past and present, so why can't he just give up on the world not going the way he'd like it 2 and rejoice, and do exactly what he complains he can't do, i.e. give us the music the minute it's ready, releasing 10 albums a year by himself and just giving one a year to a major label for the sake of making money and getting promotion?

Like I keep saying people like John Zorn, Bill Laswell or Buckethead r operating their own labels, releasing 10 to 50 albums a year and both themselves and their fanbases r happy! What claims he can't do, other people r doing it, 4 chrissakes he even did it himself when he released 7 CD's in 1998 or an album's worth of material every month in 2001, it's not so difficult!

Now has full control over the vault again, + full control of his current music as has been the case 4 the last 18 years, so let's just flood the world with good funk and make everyone happy! And if he's not happy with majors 4 crying out loud then why doesn't he give up on working with them? Ever since he left WB he kept coming back to them: EMI in 96, BMG/Arista in 98-99, Sony in 04 and 07, Universal in 06 and now back to Sony and WB. There r tons of small labels who'd like 2 distribute his music on CD and when it comes 2 digital, hell he doesn't need anyone so 4 chrissakes let's cut the crap and enjoy life! Timspace&darknessdon'txist, do they?

udo said:

databank said:

Yeah well I suggest YOU go look at them

How many of those people would be willing to fork over $10/€10 for an album? (physical or download)

IDK, I don't care, those endless debates about sales figures r obsolete. This is 2014, one just doesn't sell as one used to do, fact of life, deal with it. It's like both fans and r stuck in the past, waiting 4 an album 2 sell 5M copies 2 say it's a success. According 2 Wikipedia The Rainbow Children sold 158,000 copies in the US, without the help of a major and with little promotion, and at a time when was totally abandonned by music critics and medias. That ain't that bad. Lotusflow3r was #2 at the Top 200 IIRC, once again without a major. That's not bad. is doing up to one million dollars an NIGHT by playing live. More than most of us will ever do in our own lifetimes! In an evening! That + the royalties he probably still gets from airplay of past hits (both by him and songs given to/covered by others), so IDK, my opinion is that when u make 1M a night by playing live u can just as well b happy with selling 50,000 to 300,000 copies of ur albums, particularly at a time when record sales r at their lowest. That's pocket money 4 him, OK, well it's not like he doesn't have any other source of income!

databank said:

Thing is u know, I remember this line from Strange But True: "All negativity bows".

What do we get from interviews? Nothing but negativity! Labels execs r bad. Radios and music TV channels r bad. Tour promoters r bad. The internet is bad. People covering songs r bad. Youtube is bad. Music listeners r bad. Digital formats r bad. iTunes is bad. Fans sharing bootlegs r bad. Fan forums r bad. Journalists and music critics r bad. Etc., etc.

IDK, this man has had a wonderful life overall, he succeeded in more things than most people ever will, he's rich and he now owns all his music, past and present, so why can't he just give up on the world not going the way he'd like it 2 and rejoice, and do exactly what he complains he can't do, i.e. give us the music the minute it's ready, releasing 10 albums a year by himself and just giving one a year to a major label for the sake of making money and getting promotion?

Like I keep saying people like John Zorn, Bill Laswell or Buckethead r operating their own labels, releasing 10 to 50 albums a year and both themselves and their fanbases r happy! What claims he can't do, other people r doing it, 4 chrissakes he even did it himself when he released 7 CD's in 1998 or an album's worth of material every month in 2001, it's not so difficult!

Now has full control over the vault again, + full control of his current music as has been the case 4 the last 18 years, so let's just flood the world with good funk and make everyone happy! And if he's not happy with majors 4 crying out loud then why doesn't he give up on working with them? Ever since he left WB he kept coming back to them: EMI in 96, BMG/Arista in 98-99, Sony in 04 and 07, Universal in 06 and now back to Sony and WB. There r tons of small labels who'd like 2 distribute his music on CD and when it comes 2 digital, hell he doesn't need anyone so 4 chrissakes let's cut the crap and enjoy life! Timspace&darknessdon'txist, do they?

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Your missing the Vital fact that he is now Tied to Warner and Cannot release anything by himself. The reason he got his music back/is getting his music back is because of that, and im sure the terms of the agreement favour WB alot more than P.

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Him complaining about them out loud like he is doing already wont go down well

[Edited 6/24/14 2:00am]

[Edited 6/24/14 2:03am]

BreakfastCanWait said:

Ppenguin said:

BreakfastCanWait said:

How is it even possible that Prince can't get in touch with execs at Warner Brothers? You'd think those billy jack bitches would have a purple phone in their office just for him!

Maybe once upon a time but not anymore...he's not the big news that we would like him to be anymore. He's a legend for the books but he's not going to shift records like he did 20-30 years ago. WB don't need to hear his album the second he thinks they should especially at a stupid time of night

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Plus Prince doesnt own a phone, maybe thats the reason he cant get hold of them?

fnksoul said:

Ppenguin said:

BreakfastCanWait said: Maybe once upon a time but not anymore...he's not the big news that we would like him to be anymore. He's a legend for the books but he's not going to shift records like he did 20-30 years ago. WB don't need to hear his album the second he thinks they should especially at a stupid time of night

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Plus Prince doesnt own a phone, maybe thats the reason he cant get hold of them?

He calls WB like this...

thisisreece said:

databank said:

Yeah well I suggest YOU go look at them

Botanique: 76,000 views.

FallInLove2Nite: 164,000 + 375,000 views.

Something In The Water @ Manchester: 169,000 views.

Let's Go Crazy @ Manchester: 400,000 views.

Etc., etc.

3rdEyeGirl youtube doesn't recieve any promotion outside of Prince's twitter. 3 million on the Breakfast Can Wait video.

But over 1 000 000 views of Breakfast Can Wait are strictly Bart watching it taking notes of what he doesn't like, then again and again to confirm he really doesn't like it, then some more to imagine what could have been if Mayte or Carmen E. were in it.

fnksoul said:

databank said:

Thing is u know, I remember this line from Strange But True: "All negativity bows".

What do we get from interviews? Nothing but negativity! Labels execs r bad. Radios and music TV channels r bad. Tour promoters r bad. The internet is bad. People covering songs r bad. Youtube is bad. Music listeners r bad. Digital formats r bad. iTunes is bad. Fans sharing bootlegs r bad. Fan forums r bad. Journalists and music critics r bad. Etc., etc.

IDK, this man has had a wonderful life overall, he succeeded in more things than most people ever will, he's rich and he now owns all his music, past and present, so why can't he just give up on the world not going the way he'd like it 2 and rejoice, and do exactly what he complains he can't do, i.e. give us the music the minute it's ready, releasing 10 albums a year by himself and just giving one a year to a major label for the sake of making money and getting promotion?

Like I keep saying people like John Zorn, Bill Laswell or Buckethead r operating their own labels, releasing 10 to 50 albums a year and both themselves and their fanbases r happy! What claims he can't do, other people r doing it, 4 chrissakes he even did it himself when he released 7 CD's in 1998 or an album's worth of material every month in 2001, it's not so difficult!

Now has full control over the vault again, + full control of his current music as has been the case 4 the last 18 years, so let's just flood the world with good funk and make everyone happy! And if he's not happy with majors 4 crying out loud then why doesn't he give up on working with them? Ever since he left WB he kept coming back to them: EMI in 96, BMG/Arista in 98-99, Sony in 04 and 07, Universal in 06 and now back to Sony and WB. There r tons of small labels who'd like 2 distribute his music on CD and when it comes 2 digital, hell he doesn't need anyone so 4 chrissakes let's cut the crap and enjoy life! Timspace&darknessdon'txist, do they?

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Your missing the Vital fact that he is now Tied to Warner and Cannot release anything by himself. The reason he got his music back/is getting his music back is because of that, and im sure the terms of the agreement favour WB alot more than P.

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Him complaining about them out loud like he is doing already wont go down well

[Edited 6/24/14 2:00am]

[Edited 6/24/14 2:03am]

I don't think he's tied 2 them when it comes 2 new music, he just managed to place a new album in the deal or maybe they requested it but it's not like he's signed a new exclusive or anything.

Where I do agree that he's most likely tied is with the WB albums: obviously the deal had to be "u get all ur masters back but we get an exclusive right to release a remaster of each album with bonus material provided by you at least once before u can run away with the albums", i.e. owns the masters but he can't escape with any of them b4 WB has rereleased them once. This of course is pure speculation but it's the only logical explaination: WB had no reason to give him back the whole catalogue, they could have done it on a year by year 35 years basis up until 2031, but they probably figured they'd make more money getting the opportunity to rerelease each record remastered with bonus tracks once then lose them than to keep selling the same old copies until each is 35 y.o.

It's very possible that isn't satisfied with this, and that he's gonna try to fuck up the whole thing as much as he can hoping WB gets so tired of him that they end-up telling him "take ur bloody masters and get outta here" after they rerelease the 3 or 4 most profitable albums. I wouldn't be surprised if would write "slave" on his face again in 2 years crying that he would love to release his remasters independently or with Sony but that evil WB has him go through them

databank said:

fnksoul said:

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Your missing the Vital fact that he is now Tied to Warner and Cannot release anything by himself. The reason he got his music back/is getting his music back is because of that, and im sure the terms of the agreement favour WB alot more than P.

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Him complaining about them out loud like he is doing already wont go down well

[Edited 6/24/14 2:00am]

[Edited 6/24/14 2:03am]

I don't think he's tied 2 them when it comes 2 new music, he just managed to place a new album in the deal or maybe they requested it but it's not like he's signed a new exclusive or anything.

Where I do agree that he's most likely tied is with the WB albums: obviously the deal had to be "u get all ur masters back but we get an exclusive right to release a remaster of each album with bonus material provided by you at least once before u can run away with the albums", i.e. owns the masters but he can't escape with any of them b4 WB has rereleased them once. This of course is pure speculation but it's the only logical explaination: WB had no reason to give him back the whole catalogue, they could have done it on a year by year 35 years basis up until 2031, but they probably figured they'd make more money getting the opportunity to rerelease each record remastered with bonus tracks once then lose them than to keep selling the same old copies until each is 35 y.o.

It's very possible that isn't satisfied with this, and that he's gonna try to fuck up the whole thing as much as he can hoping WB gets so tired of him that they end-up telling him "take ur bloody masters and get outta here" after they rerelease the 3 or 4 most profitable albums. I wouldn't be surprised if would write "slave" on his face again in 2 years crying that he would love to release his remasters independently or with Sony but that evil WB has him go through them

You don't know that and it would be very unusual to not have a clause in there preventing him from releasing his own competing records.

Aerogram said:

databank said:

I don't think he's tied 2 them when it comes 2 new music, he just managed to place a new album in the deal or maybe they requested it but it's not like he's signed a new exclusive or anything.

Where I do agree that he's most likely tied is with the WB albums: obviously the deal had to be "u get all ur masters back but we get an exclusive right to release a remaster of each album with bonus material provided by you at least once before u can run away with the albums", i.e. owns the masters but he can't escape with any of them b4 WB has rereleased them once. This of course is pure speculation but it's the only logical explaination: WB had no reason to give him back the whole catalogue, they could have done it on a year by year 35 years basis up until 2031, but they probably figured they'd make more money getting the opportunity to rerelease each record remastered with bonus tracks once then lose them than to keep selling the same old copies until each is 35 y.o.

It's very possible that isn't satisfied with this, and that he's gonna try to fuck up the whole thing as much as he can hoping WB gets so tired of him that they end-up telling him "take ur bloody masters and get outta here" after they rerelease the 3 or 4 most profitable albums. I wouldn't be surprised if would write "slave" on his face again in 2 years crying that he would love to release his remasters independently or with Sony but that evil WB has him go through them

You don't know that and it would be very unusual to not have a clause in there preventing him from releasing his own competing records.

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Yep he might not be tied to release X amount of albums with them but there will be something in there to prevent him working with other labels whilst their deal is in place, its a business and these days, he's just another Artist to them not a key source of revenue.

I very much doubt would have agreed 2 be under exclusive licencing contract with WB outside of the remasters. They would have known better than to totally tie his ass again because they know better than anyone how good at public bashing he is, and anyway I doubt he'd have fallen 4 it even 4 getting the masters back. Apparently, according 2 a few in-the-know sources, the deal has taken months of negociations and almost failed a couple of times. I doubt would have given up his freedom of all things. If u consider how long the whole remastering program may take that would mean he's tied 2 them 4 years. It's not so uncommon nowadays 4 artists 2 make licencing deals with labels, even majors, on a one album basis, and those usually don't involve any sort of excludivity. U guys r still thinking like it's 1994. It's not, the industry has changed a lot.

(I don't know what the fuck it means that I always disagree with the majority on everything, and I mean outside of the Org just as much as here. Some people say I'm a fool and many others claim that I'm a visionary. So far history has always proven me right, so I'll opt 4 the second option if u don't mind )

databank said:

I very much doubt would have agreed 2 be under exclusive licencing contract with WB outside of the remasters. They would have known better than to totally tie his ass again because they know better than anyone how good at public bashing he is, and anyway I doubt he'd have fallen 4 it even 4 getting the masters back. Apparently, according 2 a few in-the-know sources, the deal has taken months of negociations and almost failed a couple of times. I doubt would have given up his freedom of all things. If u consider how long the whole remastering program may take that would mean he's tied 2 them 4 years. It's not so uncommon nowadays 4 artists 2 make licencing deals with labels, even majors, on a one album basis, and those usually don't involve any sort of excludivity. U guys r still thinking like it's 1994. It's not, the industry has changed a lot.

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How come he is bitching about them not getting back to him then? If that was the case he would take it somewhere else to release surely, just out of spite because he could.

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Could be he is tied to release one Album at the same time as Purple Rain but there will certainly be something in place because PR will probabaly be their most profitable item and even then I cant see it being a massive hit on the album charts, it has to benifit both parties because they could have quite easily held on to the Masters until the licening expires and even then it would be a lenghthy process to try and get them back if they wanted to play hard.

fnksoul said:

databank said:

I very much doubt would have agreed 2 be under exclusive licencing contract with WB outside of the remasters. They would have known better than to totally tie his ass again because they know better than anyone how good at public bashing he is, and anyway I doubt he'd have fallen 4 it even 4 getting the masters back. Apparently, according 2 a few in-the-know sources, the deal has taken months of negociations and almost failed a couple of times. I doubt would have given up his freedom of all things. If u consider how long the whole remastering program may take that would mean he's tied 2 them 4 years. It's not so uncommon nowadays 4 artists 2 make licencing deals with labels, even majors, on a one album basis, and those usually don't involve any sort of excludivity. U guys r still thinking like it's 1994. It's not, the industry has changed a lot.

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How come he is bitching about them not getting back to him then? If that was the case he would take it somewhere else to release surely, just out of spite because he could.

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Could be he is tied to release one Album at the same time as Purple Rain but there will certainly be something in place because PR will probabaly be their most profitable item and even then I cant see it being a massive hit on the album charts, it has to benifit both parties because they could have quite easily held on to the Masters until the licening expires and even then it would be a lenghthy process to try and get them back if they wanted to play hard.

I think he's bitching at them 4 the mere pleasure of doing it, and it's very possible that they DO answer his every call. Obviously he signed a deal with them saying he owes them a new album by the time the remaster gets released. I doubt that means he ain't allowed to release something else elsewhere in the meantime. I may b wrong, I'm not "in the know", but that's my guess. On the other hand I'll give u that the fact that PE seems 2 have been shelved may mean that he wasn't allowed to release something else elsewhere b4 that new WB album is released, but considering that PE has been teased and not released 4 a year b4 the WB deal happened I think it more has to do with the fact that he could never find a satisfying configuration. At first it was supposed to be a garage rock album with the vocals shared between him and the girls, then it became an instrumental jazz rock album, then it became a little bit of both... IDK WTF happened but obviously he just couldn't make up his mind. God knows how many configurations of this project have been compiled over the course of last year.

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Bwahahahaha. I suggest you go look at the viewing figures of his YouTube clips.

Yeah well I suggest YOU go look at them

Botanique: 76,000 views.

FallInLove2Nite: 164,000 + 375,000 views.

Something In The Water @ Manchester: 169,000 views.

Let's Go Crazy @ Manchester: 400,000 views.

Etc., etc.

Those are free views, but if the music is good, selling 100,000 copies at $10 each is easily possible. But isn't this like the 10 billionth listening party for this new album(including Plectrum Noreleasedum)

alandail said:

I had to laugh at Prince already complaining about his new deal with WB before the first actual release (not counting the Breakdown).

What has it been, 4 years without releasing an album in the US before he signed that deal? I figured hte problem was he was too busy touring to coordinate the promotion of a release.

Promotion? Prince? Are you serious? When has he actually promoted an album? Lotus Flow3r? No. He does a few talk shows, and two weeks after the album is out, he ignores it, and barely plays any concerts, and when he does, only plays a handful of tracks. Rave was the last Prince album where there was even a hint of real promotion work being done.

This is Prince being Prince. He has been independent for all this time, and can release an album whenever he wants, but doesn't. Then he signs a deal, and starts bitching about the label not doing something he hasn't done for 4 years that he easliy could have done himself.

Too busy touring? Really? He's done less than 150 shows in the last 24 months, probably less than 100. And no, that 2 shows in one day crap doesn't count as 2 shows.

BartVanHemelen said:

Revolution said:

Isn't it this simple? Open up a website and sell the download of the entire CD for $10.

That's an easy million for you every time. That's assuming there is a core fan base of 100,000.

Bwahahahaha. I suggest you go look at the viewing figures of his YouTube clips.

he normally sells around 180,000 copies of his albums in the first week in the states...same again roughly worldwide...that would tell me he has hundreds of thousands of hardcore followers...a better guide than youtube i would say.

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Bwahahahaha. I suggest you go look at the viewing figures of his YouTube clips.

Yeah well I suggest YOU go look at them

Botanique: 76,000 views.

FallInLove2Nite: 164,000 + 375,000 views.

Something In The Water @ Manchester: 169,000 views.

Let's Go Crazy @ Manchester: 400,000 views.

Etc., etc.

Those figures are still low when you compare them to the views on other artists' videos, most of which easily reach at least 20 million and over.

databank said:

dualboot said:

He acts like a spoiled child who blame anyone else without acknowledgment to his own negative impact or influence in things.

In the end all focus on the music seems to be lost as duds ending in melting snow.

We all know this man is capable of great stuff when he just goes for the music.

[Edited 6/24/14 1:11am]

Thing is u know, I remember this line from Strange But True: "All negativity bows".

What do we get from interviews? Nothing but negativity! Labels execs r bad. Radios and music TV channels r bad. Tour promoters r bad. The internet is bad. People covering songs r bad. Youtube is bad. Music listeners r bad. Digital formats r bad. iTunes is bad. Fans sharing bootlegs r bad. Fan forums r bad. Journalists and music critics r bad. Etc., etc.

IDK, this man has had a wonderful life overall, he succeeded in more things than most people ever will, he's rich and he now owns all his music, past and present, so why can't he just give up on the world not going the way he'd like it 2 and rejoice, and do exactly what he complains he can't do, i.e. give us the music the minute it's ready, releasing 10 albums a year by himself and just giving one a year to a major label for the sake of making money and getting promotion?

Like I keep saying people like John Zorn, Bill Laswell or Buckethead r operating their own labels, releasing 10 to 50 albums a year and both themselves and their fanbases r happy! What claims he can't do, other people r doing it, 4 chrissakes he even did it himself when he released 7 CD's in 1998 or an album's worth of material every month in 2001, it's not so difficult!

Now has full control over the vault again, + full control of his current music as has been the case 4 the last 18 years, so let's just flood the world with good funk and make everyone happy! And if he's not happy with majors 4 crying out loud then why doesn't he give up on working with them? Ever since he left WB he kept coming back to them: EMI in 96, BMG/Arista in 98-99, Sony in 04 and 07, Universal in 06 and now back to Sony and WB. There r tons of small labels who'd like 2 distribute his music on CD and when it comes 2 digital, hell he doesn't need anyone so 4 chrissakes let's cut the crap and enjoy life! Timspace&darknessdon'txist, do they?

If this isn't the troof, I don't what is!

The artists that I regularly buy music from I never look at their youtube pages. Im not an adolescent so thats just not ingrained in my habits. I assume most of his audience is not of the youtube era either, so I agree with Blackbob that those stats are interesting but not relevant in assessing potential sales of a new album.