the fonky new album, entitled:

"P R N C E & The NeW PoWeR GeNerAtiOn FeAt 3rdEyeGiRl"

lwr001 said:

The new Prince sound is Here

https://www.youtube.com/w...f2J7L6nDXc

love2thenines2003 said:

EyeHatechu said:

love2thenines2003 said:

The new Prince sound is Here

https://www.youtube.com/w...f2J7L6nDXc

Harts is actually an awesome musician..i love his music. Its so Prince inspired.

This is PURE MINNEAPOLIS SOUND from the early 80's...Very Very Very GOOD!!

https://www.youtube.com/w...f2J7L6nDXc

databank said:

thedance said:

Sorry Databank, you must come to your senses, there are no s in the world, only princes.

Please consider to skip that symbol in your posts.... please..!

U can cut all my fins but 2 ur ways I will not bend.

I'll keep calling him if I so please. He should have kept that name, reverting back 2 Prince was a really sad thing he did

From the looks of things, Prince will be dusting off any day now.

In my opinion, the only reason Prince came out complaining about Warner Brothers not answering his calls and about how long it takes for a record company to release new material, is so when it flops commercially he has someone to blame.

dualboot said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

And so do U & all the negative peeps in this thread. Who will all be in the front of the line when O( > unveils his latest "MasterPiece".....

True, if he delivers a real masterpiece I will be there. I know what he can do and deliver when he puts his heart into it. I trust his father and mother both smile down on him to help him find his path back to the music which helped him to be where his soul belongs.

To have manage to stay revelant in a very fickled muziq business 4 over 35 years is unheard of. has remained royalty among any label! He can sign ANYWHERE he chooses to. He is not a HAS BEEN! Like most here paint him. He is still considered a SUPERSTAR! Especially now since Mj is gone.

Of coursE his Father a musical genius himself is smiling down on him. Also his inherited beautiful Mother is also. His childhood brother/buddy Andre(who Eye recently saw live) is still very proud of him... Warners wouldn't have begged him back if no one cared about him anymore. U can BELIEVE THAT! They gave him back his MASTERS! Prince has ALWAYS called the shots. That is why he is so hated on! Even on his own fan made fansite Princehate.org.

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

dualboot said:

True, if he delivers a real masterpiece I will be there. I know what he can do and deliver when he puts his heart into it. I trust his father and mother both smile down on him to help him find his path back to the music which helped him to be where his soul belongs.

To have manage to stay revelant in a very fickled muziq business 4 over 35 years is unheard of. O( > has remained royalty among any label! He can sign ANYWHERE he chooses to. He is not a HAS BEEN! Like most here paint him. He is still considered a SUPERSTAR! Especially now since Mj is gone.

Of coursE his Father a musical genius himself is smiling down on him. Also his inherited beautiful Mother is also. His childhood brother/buddy Andre(who Eye recently saw live) is still very proud of him... Warners wouldn't have begged him back if no one cared about him anymore. U can BELIEVE THAT! They gave him back his MASTERS! Prince has ALWAYS called the shots. That is why he is so hated on! Even on his own fan made fansite Princehate.org.

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I find it hard to believe WB begged him to come back, Prince needed them more than they needed him, his album sales for the past 20 years without them has been no where near as good. His vast majority of album sales over this time have been albums that were signed to Warner. They held the cards because he wants his masters. Even after the 35 years for each one, there was no gaurentee he would get them back easily. He's not an artist who is going to make them alot of money now, the remasters wont even make them that much but it was better to have him on board for them than not.

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WB would be better fronting an extensive world or something if they both want to make real money. Look at Bon Jovi last year over $200 million highest grossing, Springsteen $150 mil.

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databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Far more likely: he shopped the album and nobody gave a fuck.

Kobalt did.

I bet P submitted something to them, and they replied "not up to the standard we feel we require to make this a success" and started putting forward their demands. Perhaps including some test tracks to see what would happen.Like "Breakfast Can Wait".

Notice how 3EG just disappeared at one point in 2013 and it was NPG or funky/pop Prince all of a sudden. Then early this year 3EG suddenly become the focus again and there's a "soon" for their record plus a front page in Mojo -- and then nothing happens because no label took the bait. Or if they did they balked at Prince's monetairy demands.

Purple Music would have. I can name 50 indie labels who'd see a significant improvement in their yearly income by distributing a album or side project because those labels r struggling on a daily basis and open a bottle of champagne whenever they sell 50,000 copies of an album, which doesn't happen to them so often.

They need to sell a truckload of albums to get any ROI on the undoubtedly bloated advance Prince would demand. Oh, and let's not forget chances are he'll do ZILCH to promote anything.

databank said:

had worked with several indies so far, for the manufacturing and/or distribution of TMBGITW, 1-800 New Funk, Exodus, Child Of The Sun, U Make My Sun Shine, The Rainbow Children, N.E.W.S.

Not relevant: ages ago.

and R&RLA.

One single isn't an album.

2 b honest I'm not even sure he got any from the majors he worked with after 1996, I think the deal was pretty clear with EMI? BMG/Arista, Universal and Sony: no advance but gets full benefit over the sales,

We know for a fact that Arista paid him. Plus: all of those are from years ago. His MO in recent years is clear: P wants a truckload of money in advance, and then its up to the label (or the store, remember the Target deal) to shift product and give him a hit. That's what he was bitching about re iTunes: they wouldn't pay him an advance for his record.

Okay, I've resisted posting on this long enough...

This was not even CLOSE to a preview of an album. I've never seen such an empty album review. No, it's not mysterious, just vaporware.

Yet, we now have SEVEN pages of discussion over nothing.

That's all, folks!

~G

Giovanni777 said:

Okay, I've resisted posting on this long enough...

This was not even CLOSE to a preview of an album. I've never seen such an empty album review. No, it's not mysterious, just vaporware.

Yet, we now have SEVEN pages of discussion over nothing.

That's all, folks!

~G

Have to agree. Can only remember 3 songs and the Rita Ora track.

The article seemed...not ready. Perhaps he was too tired after Bruno Mars but just seems so uninformative.

motherfunka said:

In my opinion, the only reason Prince came out complaining about Warner Brothers not answering his calls and about how long it takes for a record company to release new material, is so when it flops commercially he has someone to blame.

the blaming won't start until after the following:
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* warners agrees to release the album, more previews pop up

* first single is released

* there's no video

* prince doesn't promote the song, or

* prince goes on tv shows and plays a different song

* the album is released

* prince releases a 3rdEyeGirl track on another label 2 days later

* press reports that prince is now working with a new starlet

* warners is like 'ok, so this album is over, let's concentrate on the PR remaster for november'

* prince starts sulking

* release of a video for the 1st single from the solo album, 4 months after is failed to chart

* prince talks to the press how warners didn't promote his album enough

* warners is up and ready for the PR 30 campagne but prince has moved on and is touring

with the NPG, releasing the brand new single "Big City" on 3rdEyeGirl.com

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something like that. THEN the blame game will begin full throttle

I am tired of the teasing. 3 projects due out and one that has been waved in front of us for almost 2 years now.

@Drfunkenberry on Twitter:

That Jon Bream article seems incomplete. 3 songs and a remix but says it is an entire album? Right.

Here is hoping that WB execs and Prince have been in contact since Bream article. That was frustrating to read...

Personally, I think the new Prince CD should be released the same day as the "Purple Rain" remaster special edition.....

As for PLECTRUMELECTRUM, that should be released as vinyl with a digital download code only.

too much time has passed. Make PLECTRUMELECTRUM rare, special, and unique.

This conversation comes from frustration. I want new Prince product in my hands. Remasters and new material.

They can blame each other til Kingdom Come but the fact of the matter is 2009 is too long for a proper release.

Also, I like remixes. I like what Josh did with "Breakfast Can Wait".

Now those laser sounds in the "BREAKDOWN"? Yea, that I have a problem with. Yet U guys complain bout mixes.

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I like Funks honesty. No yes man mentality and have seen that more when it comes to talking about the purple dude on the spreecast and twitter account.

Even about Plectrum and it should be on vinyl, for the 4 of us who still care about it!

Perhaps Warners released "The Breakdown" without hearing it and after putting it on iTunes wondered what those laser sounds were as well.

He was just on the radio talking about it. He only got to listen to four tracks. He says they're clearly one-man band efforts. He didn't sound enthusiastic about them at all. He described the 2nd track as 'complex' again and that it baffled him, going on to say that Prince aficionados would know it was him straight away, but others might not, which sounds promising. Here's hoping the album is in that vein (which sounds experimental) and isn't just a run of the mill stab at the charts. It doesn't sound good though so far.

warning2all said:

If this album was any good, Bream would have been singing its praises.Prince is just a bitter has-been playing games with no goods to back it up anymore-goods not good enough to even get released- forget about any sales figures! Its over, folks. Bring on the remasters. Bottom line: Plectrum Electrum isn't released because its not good. WB isnt interested in the new album, because it isn't good either. The days of releasing autopilot crap is over

i'm just baffled that he even wants a major label to release his new material

at this point.

he tried it so many times in the past and it never got him the millions in cash

that he was hoping for, or the chart success.

when he did have chart success it was through gimmicks, which he could've

employed just as easily as a free agent.

/

the main problem i can see now with warners is that once again there is a

lot of material 'ready' and it can't all be released at once.

/

warners' main interest is, no question about it, remastering/re-releasing the

back catalogue.

/

i sincerely doubt it was a demand from warners that he release a new album

this year, in order for them to give him his masters back. what's the point?

/

if he'd just got that deal with them and said 'look, i'm going to stick to what

i set out for in 94, i'm still going to release what i want when i want and you

can do with the remasters as you please as long as i get my masters back'

he could now be releasing 4 albums for all they cared.

/

it's not like his internet releases or target store deals will hinder the sales of

the PR remaster. especially if it is a decent package with lots of content. he

will only sell his new album to the hardcore base anyway, and they won't

skip on a decent remaster package because they bought PlectrumElectrum

and a solo prince record months before.

/

the general public? they will be none the wiser. those who pick up on it will

be few anyway. it's not like a 4 million more people will be jumping at the

bit to buy the new prince album simply because warners releases it. unless

it is backed with mamoth promotion, huge radio play, tv appearances and

a world tour. and even then, it's doubtful.

/

so is it prince who wanted to release a new album on warners this year? if

so: why? for the advance? but do they give anyone 5 mil simply to hand in

an album? surely there is such a thing as ROI for promo and all that. so he

might sell more units, but promotion and whatever will cost more. then the

net result is arbitrary, no?
/

meanwhile, his money is in touring anyway. plus getting back ownership of

his masters will probably make him lots of money in the future. therefore,

the most important thing to him right now would be making sure the whole

masters/rereleases, reverting back of publishing etc etc is handled with a

great deal of care and thought.

/

there was nothing to stop him from releasing "welcome 2 america", the
deluxe andy allo album with their duets as bonus, "plectrum electrum",

the supposed in the works NPG album (including Big City) and then the

solo stuff he had knocking about. he could have put all of that onto his

website. instead a lot of it will end up in the vault.

/

so that begs the question: is it better to record, talk about and selectly

preview material all the time and then stick it in the vault never to be

seen of or heard again, or simply release it to your core fanbase who

will be glad to pick all of it up - thus making you a bit of money and be

on top of your goodwill.

/

it might come across as very cinical but my personal conclusion is that

prince doens't care about what his fans want unless he can make lots

of millions off each album. releasing an album and earning just 1 mil

from it doesn't seem enough. he'd rather just file it away and forget it

ever existed.

/

what is still planned for release now can only serve to convolute all his

dealings with warners regarding the remasters.

/

at this point though, we can only hope that there will be any remaster

after the PR one because things don't look all to great even now, two

months in.

I'm assuming this album is the same album that Prince played for a few people in Los Angeles back in April, shortly after the announcement from Warner Brothers. Jon Bream didn't seem to get the same vibe as what they heard.

thisisreece said:

He was just on the radio talking about it. He only got to listen to four tracks. He says they're clearly one-man band efforts. He didn't sound enthusiastic about them at all. He described the 2nd track as 'complex' again and that it baffled him, going on to say that Prince aficionados would know it was him straight away, but others might not, which sounds promising. Here's hoping the album is in that vein (which sounds experimental) and isn't just a run of the mill stab at the charts. It doesn't sound good though so far.

I read that as "this song opens with a Linn-Drum programmed to hell and back with dry snare and syncopation". But what about "The Gold Standard"? Based on the title alone, I suspect it's partly about colonialism and world economies and partly about how great he is and how there will never be another like Prince. One part of me is like "Aw Yeah, Prince is FINALLY going to shut down these haters by singing about how great he was... again", but then another part of me is all, "Yay, Prince is FINALLY going to sing about history and banks and shit I don't care about... again".

EyeHatechu said:

Maybe P is messing with us. My fantasy is that Josh played some terrible reject songs that arent going to be on the album so when the review came out we would all bitch. But truly P is about to release a masterpiece and blow our minds. You think im crazy now but wait until the album is on repeat in your car when it comes out. P is probably laughing at us and all of our negativity and shaking his head at the supposed fans who have turned negative on him. [Edited 6/24/14 17:14pm]

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correct me if i'm wrong, but most of the people here who 'bitch' or

'turn negative' have been here for a decade or more. and we've

been fans of prince's music, buying every release he put out there

for much, much longer than that.

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so why is it that people call us, 'supposed fans', or keep saying we

should just pack our shit and not let the door hit us on the way out?

is it because they think that prince thinks of us that way? well he's

never said it directly, but who knows. but when all truth is told, we

can honestly say that we stuck by him all these years through all

of his crazy shit. we still bought his music and we still went to see

his shows. no artist can realisticly expect any more from his fans

than that. we don't have to blow smoke up his ass, he's got a new

girlfriend every year or so to do just that.

.

i can honestly say that i've bought and paid for every thing prince

officially released in his carreer [except "planet earth" which i got

given by someone]. that includes all his websites and the stuff he

scattered about left and right.

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it also includes all the stuff from last year's 3rdEyeGirl site, those

kinda horrible remixes of Dance 4 Me and more on itunes and the

latest release "the breakdown".

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lastly, i still enjoy his music that's right, prince. you might

make me physically sick at times with your constant mindgames

and warped ramblings, but i still like your music and i'll still be in

line to sign up for more in the future.

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i know that buying all of someone's work and supporting them by

going to see them live (and enjoying it) doesn't give anyone the

right to tell someone what to do or force expectations upon them.

however, voicing an opinion and being negative about things you

don't like is just as much a part of being a 'fan' as the rest of it.

at least it is for anyone beyond 12 years old.

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it's human to want to voice your opinion on something, and if you

can form one based on the catalogue in relation to the new work,

and reason about it. then why not? i'm more scared by people on

this site or on prince's own sites in the past, who never say one

negative word. that's idolatry, something prince would be the 1st

to yell doesn't sit well with his god.

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prince and some of his fans are pretty world weary, at least it

seems that way to me. prince gets away with so much shit, on

the basis of who he was. and yet he and these fanatics still

believe that everything he does should go unquestioned. in

this day and age? who else is above reproach right now? that's

right, no one.

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if i get my bread from the same baker everytime and i like all

his different flavorings, i'll keep going there. until he starts to

charge me too much, or mix the flour with sawdust. then i'll

either voice my concern, or quietly search out another baker.

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the thing is that prince never gets to hear those concerns. he

just sees dwindling sales and -perhaps justly- wonders why.

so he blames the recording industry, radio, whatever. but a

large chunk of what is happening to his career is happening

to all artists. some of it is also based on his change in style,

his lesser compositions (which is also very reasonable, since

no one can keep pumping out stellar material as long as he

has anyway).

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in the few instances where he does actually hear complaints

(about his failed websites, for one) he seems to become kind

of pissed off (F.U.N.K [brilliant song by the way]) or he just

pushes someone else under the buss and then continues on

until the next 'crisis'.

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but the big reveal is that there IS no crisis. this is happening

all over the place. it's a (haha) sign of the times.

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in a world where people get death threats over changing the

lettering on a can of soda, prince is still doing very well and

his fans are, though a grumpy old lot, still quite alright if you

ask me. we've been fed on a diet of 'weird and unconventional'

since our youth and, seemingly unlike prince, we're for the

most part still pretty resilient and accepting of change. what

is being called our bitterness and nastyness or rudeness is

just discussion. the nature of the discussion is that there will

always be those who stand outside of it and don't even want

the discussion and will perceive one end of the spectrum to be

of negative origin. which is not strictly true.

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when you put them on a scale, i think our 'negativity' is by far

outweighed by prince's own negativity and disgruntled ramblings

about everything from fans (trading bootlegs, complaining about

his defunct/troubled websites, asking for more music, gasp) to

record companies, to the music industry, to radio, to television,

to basically everything outside the prince bubble, i think anyone

with half a mind will find that prince is the negative one in all of

this.

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as i said, i'll still be here in 10 years time and god willing prince

will be too. but i wonder if he realises that if he messes up this

whole remasters project, he will lose most of what is left of the

ever dwindling fanbase.

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i don't think he cares either way. it's become pathological at this

stage. it's a cyclical pattern, repeating over and over with ever

such slight variations.

why all the criticism of an album no ones heard? frustrated little babies

IstenSzek said:

EyeHatechu said:

Damn...wtf? I didnt direct my comment to everyone. I was just speaking on the so called fans who fall under that category. But i will just let the chips fall where they may.

i was affraid this would happen in my usual convoluted way

of rambling i didn't make it clear enough that my post WASN'T

directed at you or any of the things you said.

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what you wrote, the highlighted part, that you jokingly said is

probably what prince is thinking, just started me off on a train

of thought about comments i read on here all the time about

how we're all too negative.

/

but again, i didn't mean my post as an attack on you, or even

as a direct response to what you said. so i'm sorry if i made

you feel like i was.

EyeHatechu said:

Maybe P is messing with us. My fantasy is that Josh played some terrible reject songs that arent going to be on the album so when the review came out we would all bitch. But truly P is about to release a masterpiece and blow our minds. You think im crazy now but wait until the album is on repeat in your car when it comes out. P is probably laughing at us and all of our negativity and shaking his head at the supposed fans who have turned negative on him. [Edited 6/24/14 17:14pm]

Susannah Melvoin said back in the day would always play them his worse material 2 c what their reaction would b. Then get pissed & throw them out when they say they didn't like it. Meanwhile holding on to a brilliant "MasterPiece" they never heard. It was a trick he often played. La Reid said the same thing.

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