blackbob said:

his 2004 tour of america earned nearly 90 million in ticket sales alone...the top grossing tour of the year...prince is far from broke.

No one here has a clue how much money he has. What if he invested the money from the tour in stocks that went downhill? We've had a big fionancial crisis a couple years later. A lot of rich folks lost a lot of money then. Have you ever heard about it?

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Scarfo said:

lezama said:

I have no idea what this post means..

Then you obviously haven't been paying atention these past 2 decades....just pay attention to how this whole Tidal thing will play out...then all will be revealed, yet again.

blackbob said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Sting is actually rich, not pretend-rich like Prince, and he actually does whatever the fuck he wants. Thus he isn't whining to reporters about record companies, because he's too busy releasing an album of him playing the lute and singing traditionals, or writing a play.

.

Meanwhile Prince continues to chse the pop charts (and bitches about failing to do so, which is obviously a conspiracy against him for speaking his mind).

.come on bart..your posts usually have an element of truth in them

Emphasis on "an element"..

leecaldon said:

EddieC said:

I'm not sure I understand why people are willling to give Josh credit for almost everything in the tracks they work together on. Yes, I know P supposedly didn't perform anything beyond vocals on some tracks on AOA--but I don't think that was the general model, at least from anything they've said. And I don't honestly believe it even when they say it just because they say it. Over- and mis-crediting others is so common, I can't tell anything from that--remember all those NPG and Revolution tracks that had limited or no input from bandmembers. I don't hear anything so stunningly "non-Prince" on AOA that I know it's Josh, and I have yet to hear anyone else make a compelling argument for any particular elements. I'd like to blame him for Funknroll, but I'm not really sure about it.

It just sounds like a Prince album after someone made him listen to some music he hadn't listened to before, and he pulls what he can from relatively little exposure (beyond U Know, of course). Pretty much still Prince, though.

Where did you hear that?

I don't remember. I saw someone else referring to it on one of the related threads in the last couple of days--they said possibly 3 tracks. And I think one of them's supposed to be Way Back Home.

I have no idea, and like I said, it all sounds like Prince to me.

tatocorcu said:

TheGhostlyNun said:

Yeah, I read that. But to me it just came across as a piss-take. At least he/they are acknowledging that true fans clearly aren't happy, even if that tweet came across as dismissive of those who don't support his every move.

I don't know whether they meant to be ironic, but it shows they are aware of the general feeling...

I don't know--sounds like naysayers are supposed to get some toast ready--but I'm not sure that worked before, so....

Oh, and I realize you can use multiple tweets for extended messages--but why (in her response) does aniraM think we want to read that many tweets of her opinion? Good lord.

KingSausage said:

Wow, some real nutfucks tweet at Prince. Look at those people. Jesus balls.

it's scary, isn't it?

PurpleMedley122 said:

Exactly, we should already predict what's going to happen with this deal:

1. Album comes out, very few people get a subscription to Tidal, and the rest of us bootleg it.

2. Album sells like shit, Prince complains in the press and blames Tidal for its failure, instead of himself for this whole bullshit deal and refusal to promote it.

3. Jay-Z and Tidal refuse to work with Prince again, Prince burns another bridge.

This has been the pattern of his career since the late 90s and if he continues doing this, maybe the joke Jay Leno made on him about distribution will be his future career (selling CDs through the mailbox hole in Paisley Park).

Yep, I can see this happening.. easily..

Aerogram said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

I feel like your the obsessional type, right? If it's not Prince, it's Bart. Get over your hard-on and move on.

I'm sorry you're upset people are challenging the Prince-is-desperate-for-money narrative that's supposed to explain this deal and every other deal before that but take solace in knowing you're already feeling well enough to patronize others.

Actually, my comment was directed at you. Every time Bart makes a comment, you pop up. Weird.

KingSausage said:

Wow, some real nutfucks tweet at Prince. Look at those people. Jesus balls.

We should invite some of these people over to the Org!!

It's gonna be a hot summmmmer!

filthyrichyuppie said:

Aerogram said:

I'm sorry you're upset people are challenging the Prince-is-desperate-for-money narrative that's supposed to explain this deal and every other deal before that but take solace in knowing you're already feeling well enough to patronize others.

Actually, my comment was directed at you. Every time Bart makes a comment, you pop up. Weird.

i thought you were going to say "every time bart makes a comment, a kitten dies"

I wonder if TIDAL is going to go down the Store route like iTunes kinda thing?

Their main selling point is High quality audio, would make sense if they opened as a Store to sell FLAC/WAV?

This would keep with Prince's argument about Lossless sound, if this is in the pipeline could be a way for Artists to sell their music direct to fans, I'd imagine a label will need to be involved at some stage for the Physical release to handle distribution etc...



We'll wait and see I guess either TIDAL has gaurenteed Prince a certain amount of Cash for the album or they could be planning selling directly through Tidal rather than having to subscribe to just be able to Stream it.

ludwig said:

blackbob said:

his 2004 tour of america earned nearly 90 million in ticket sales alone...the top grossing tour of the year...prince is far from broke.

No one here has a clue how money he has. What if he invested the money from the tour in stocks that went downhill? We've had a big fionancial crisis a couple years later. A lot of rich folks lost a lot of money then. Have you ever heard about it?

bart said that prince was "pretend rich"....which is nonsense..of course...yes..of course he could have lost money on various things...but he has the ability to generate millions with a few concerts which he can do at short notice...i dont think prince is ever going to worry about money ever again...i doubt he has since purple rain really..

blackbob said:

.i doubt he has since purple rain really..

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Haha.

Thaink again.

We do not know his CONtracts so he might not always have broken even with each album.

Also his private company endeavors....

What about NPGMC and similar enterprises?

His websites? CD mailorder?

ludwig said:

blackbob said:

his 2004 tour of america earned nearly 90 million in ticket sales alone...the top grossing tour of the year...prince is far from broke.

No one here has a clue how money he has. What if he invested the money from the tour in stocks that went downhill? We've had a big fionancial crisis a couple years later. A lot of rich folks lost a lot of money then. Have you ever heard about it?

Or in female proteges who went the same way

udo said:

blackbob said:

.i doubt he has since purple rain really..

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Haha.

Thaink again.

We do not know his CONtracts so he might not always have broken even with each album.

Also his private company endeavors....

What about NPGMC and similar enterprises?

His websites? CD mailorder?

And let's not forget that Paisley Park was in a state of financial chaos during the late 80's and 90's

due to the escalating cost of running the place with a full staff (costing upwards of $500,000 a

month) , the financial failiures of the Lovesexy tour and Graffiti Bridge, various legal battles due to

the premature firing of his managers, and Prince's use of it as his personal playground (for

example, making expensive projects and not profiting from them due to not releasing them)

instead of renting the place out to other musicians. It got so bad in the late 90's that Prince had to

fire most of the staff and his band went weeks without being paid.

I wouldn't completely rule out a limited vinyl run. Regardless, with no physical release fans will find their own ways to acquire the album. Prince knows this. (Two years is quite a long time)

Prince also isn't going to make any real money from this release. Tidal pay more than Spotify but it's still a fraction of a penny per song...

I don't believe Prince is SO into Tidal he's "donated an album" - He must be getting paid.

I struggle to believe Tidal would pay a million dollars for a Prince album. Perhaps that's why they've got it for two years? Perhaps they're also going to get his catalog? How long till Prince realizes he'd have 10 cheques at the end of the month instead of one if he put his music out there?

For Prince - He gets injected into the lives of 500,000 music lovers - these people are paying for the audio quality. Prince will be front page and "Recommended" to everyone. Prince is associated with a lot of the top earners in music via their participation with Tidal.

Jay-Z gets to add another legend to his rosta. If it's a good album he will trumpet it everywhere, and perhaps we'll see some remixes.

filthyrichyuppie said:

Aerogram said:

I'm sorry you're upset people are challenging the Prince-is-desperate-for-money narrative that's supposed to explain this deal and every other deal before that but take solace in knowing you're already feeling well enough to patronize others.

Actually, my comment was directed at you. Every time Bart makes a comment, you pop up. Weird.

Hopefully, you don't actually think I did not realize the comment was directed at me.

Bart's manners and personal resentment toward Prince are like they decided to hold the Pamplona's bull run in a China shop, he's as crassly contemptuous of others as it gets so I doubt he needs your help defending his honor.

The "Prince is actually starved for cash" narrative needs to be challenged because it's used to discredit anything Prince does, including this deal with Tidal. Things may not be as they seem but some people pretend they know for sure when in fact they are just learning things as time goes by like we all do.

Besides, anyone who hasn't given a fuck about a Prince album in ages should not reasonably care one way or another.

ThirdStrike said:

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PurpleMedley122 said:

udo said:

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Haha.

Thaink again.

We do not know his CONtracts so he might not always have broken even with each album.

Also his private company endeavors....

What about NPGMC and similar enterprises?

His websites? CD mailorder?

And let's not forget that Paisley Park was in a state of financial chaos during the late 80's and 90's

due to the escalating cost of running the place with a full staff (costing upwards of $500,000 a

month) , the financial failiures of the Lovesexy tour and Graffiti Bridge, various legal battles due to

the premature firing of his managers, and Prince's use of it as his personal playground (for

example, making expensive projects and not profiting from them due to not releasing them)

instead of renting the place out to other musicians. It got so bad in the late 90's that Prince had to

fire most of the staff and his band went weeks without being paid.

Prince has a booking fee today of about 1.5 million USD a show. As BlackBob stated, his capacity to make money through touring is extremely easy at this stage in his career. The fact that he's more content to record when there's much less money there and a much greater demand for him as a touring act kinda points to a lack of concern on his part to rack up on it.

Aerogram said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Actually, my comment was directed at you. Every time Bart makes a comment, you pop up. Weird.

Hopefully, you don't actually think I did not realize the comment was directed at me.

Bart's manners and personal resentment toward Prince are like they decided to hold the Pamplona's bull run in a China shop, he's as crassly contemptuous of others as it gets so I doubt he needs your help defending his honor.

The "Prince is actually starved for cash" narrative needs to be challenged because it's used to discredit anything Prince does, including this deal with Tidal. Things may not be as they seem but some people pretend they know for sure when in fact they are just learning things as time goes by like we all do.

Besides, anyone who hasn't given a fuck about a Prince album in ages should not reasonably care one way or another.

It's backfired on me. I've set you off again.

Check out this thorough opinion piece on why TIDAL is failing fast unless it makes some major changes: http://socialmediaweek.or...y-z-tidal/

love2thenines2003 said:

All this sucking buzz for in this end. ...no track list at this date? WTF!

Relax...

First everybody complains we don`t get new music, then AOA and PE came out...

Now after one year we get another new album plus free songs like xsface, stare, Baltimore and we still complain...

Ony three weeks to go^^

laurarichardson said:

ThirdStrike said:

Man, Is it really going to matter? Look, we'll all join Tidal for the free trial period the day it's released...all the while waiting for the illegal downloadable version to surface. Once we get that downloaded, all this streaming service exclusivity nonsense will go away. It's actually perfect timing. I'll have access to the music the second it's released, and I'll soon afterwards have a digital copy to listen to in the car (which I'll already be able to do using Tidal and my car's bluetooth connectivity option).

Sure, not the brightest idea he's ever had. But in the grander scheme of things, it's non consequential. We'll have a brand new P album in less then a month. Isn't that the most important thing?

Just my 2 cents...

Exactly however, this is good for he is getting a front payment at a time when music sales are at an time low. He gets distribution, press, and he knows people will download it and boot it. Everybody wins and maybe this will make him shut up about YouTube and Boots since he is getting money up front.

Is he?

MadeUpName said:

Check out this thorough opinion piece on why TIDAL is failing fast unless it makes some major changes: http://socialmediaweek.or...y-z-tidal/

So much false informations...

The normal price for Tidal is under 10$/€ for the normal audio quality....all streaming platforms cost basically the same

Just for the Tidal HiFi version it is more...

I use spotify which is quite good, but after trying tidal i have to say it is not bad either....

They have some good playlists there...

EddieC said:

leecaldon said:

Where did you hear that?

I don't remember. I saw someone else referring to it on one of the related threads in the last couple of days--they said possibly 3 tracks. And I think one of them's supposed to be Way Back Home.

I have no idea, and like I said, it all sounds like Prince to me.

I could imagine Art Official Cage and Funk N Roll having less P input. Way Back Home would really surprise me though.