George Clooney sucked. If you want to be a good bat fan stick with watching all the animated stuff because they are better than the movies (and yes including the Bale movies) | |
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The cure is to watch the following dvd's | |
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I blame the Ass-Known-As Joel Schumacher for that disaster, not Clooney. Schumacher said he wanted to make Batman "fun" again, and that it was time he got over the death of his parents. That's when you knew the film was in trouble. And don't get me started with the nipples on the Batsuit - what's up with that? Thank goodness for Nolan & Bale rescuing the franchise after Schumacher nearly killed it.
Hardcore comic/sci-fi geeks like me don't want light-hearted kiddie fare - fuck that shit. I'm glad these films are more "adult". I want dark, gritty superhero movies, with heroes and villians dying. | |
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I brought my 3 year old to see it and she loved it. She never once talked or complained or looked to leave. There was one bit that she jumped at and got a bit scared but she was ok. She laughed afterwards. It was the bit where the big bat appears in Bruces dream. Which, in fairness, frightened me more than it frightened her... She loves Batman though so I think she was just happy to see a live action version because up to now, she's only seen the animated series and the Arkham games my brother plays with her. | |
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Don't ever show her that awful 60s TV show. | |
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[Edited 4/6/16 15:37pm] Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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I liked The Batman cartoon but did not like the annimation. looked like that Jackie Chan cartoon (Probably the same people).
Also disappointed with the kiddish new Justice League cartoon
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This concept is very close to Grant Morrison's hypertime concept introduced in 1998 but soon given up, which also acknowledged every version/reboot of the DCU as authentic. The DCU in comics makes no sense to me anymore now, it's more of a non-continuity than a continuity and their attempts to rationalize it are more and more pathetic. After a few big post COIE continuity issues and inconsistencies, things had pretty much settled-up after Zero Hour and save a few quacks, from 1986 to 2004 the DCU had a pretty stable, cohesive and functional continuity. Then came Dan Didio who began to basically reboot either characters or the whole universe every other day, and that's when I lost interest. Didio will always be the man who destroyed the DCU, he's worse than the Anti-Monitor and Parallax altogether A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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OK you make a point with directorial powers and responsibilities. Regarding dark n gritty I see where u're coming from and it's been an ongoiung debate since the mid 80's: should superheroes remain innocent or be darkened to be more realistic? My take was always that superheroes are not Mickey Mouse and therefore grounded in the real world. They are people who take on violent situations, struggle against violent individuals and have to use physical force to stop them: I fail to see how their lives could be anything but filled with chaos and death. Their jobs are not unlike the jobs of policemen, soldiers or bounty hunters: violent professions. Now it doesn't mean it can't be fun or light-hearted and still good. It can even be both dark and funny (Peter David is an expert at doing that with genius), and the very light-hearted Giffen-DeMatteis era of JLA is one of my favorite writer run ever. But as long as the story isn't dull (like Image comics in the 90's), I would never blame a writer or moviemaker for making a character darker than its original incarnation if it makes it all the more believeable to me. Now the MCU has found quite a perfect balance between very happy-go-lucky characters such as Ant-Man or the Guardians of the Galaxy, very dark stories with the Netflix series, and things that are somewhat in between with for example Age of Ultron. I think the beauty of the DCU and the MU always have been that you can have a dark n gritty story coexisting with a hilarious series, a cursed anti-hero like Constantine coexisting with an idealistic hero like Superman in the same universe. The DCEU is an attempt at putting the DCU on screen, the Arrowverse is another, one is dark and the other is more light-hearted, I find this a good compromise in the end A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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I finally watched B&R for the first time 3 years ago. God was I scared! In the end I realized it was just a cartoon and thought "well I'm bored to death but I'm sure it's a great film if u're 6 years old!". And then I read that Schumacher was shouting "this is a cartoon, remember!" to the actors before shooting scenes, so in that regard the director has achieved his purpose: a great film for 6 years-old. Now of course it wasn't what the more mature audiences wanted and the film got what it deserved A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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I finally watched B&R for the first time 3 years ago. God was I scared! In the end I realized it was just a cartoon and thought "well I'm bored to death but I'm sure it's a great film if u're 6 years old!". And then I read that Schumacher was shouting "this is a cartoon, remember!" to the actors before shooting scenes, so in that regard the director has achieved his purpose: a great film for 6 years-old. Now of course it wasn't what the more mature audiences wanted and the film got what it deserved It's weird that the ACTUAL cartoon from the 90's was more mature than either of Joel Schumacher's movies. I really don't understand why they don't have Paul Dini and Bruce Timm involved in making the new movies. | |
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Good question. Have they ever spoken about this in interviews? Nolan/Snyder seemed a perfect team though, given both their past records by the time the production of MoS was started, I really totally didn't anticipate for a minute that I wouldn't like MoS before I watched it. One thing is that WB execs are just dicks when it comes to DC. To them DC is (or at least was) a minor property and they always considered only the 2 milk cows (Supes and Bats) had any cinematic potential. The rest was only good for lame b movies like Steel, Swamp Thing, Hex, Catwoman or The Losers, quick cash to make with teen audiences. Watchmen and V4Vendetta were sort of apart because mature comics, Alan Moore and not DCU, so they put more effort into those because they felt critical acclaim was a possibility. It's only when Marvel became big that they suddenly woke up and were like OK? maybe DC properties other than Bats and Supes can turn into blockbusters. But the problem is they have no love for, or knowledge of the source material. Marvel made a smart move by producing its own movies themselves: the company publishing the comics and the company making the movies is the same, the people working on the movies have respect for the properties they are working on. Sure they aim to make money but they know what a good comic is and they aim to take the best of comics and put it onscreen. There's a consistency in quality in Marvel's self-produced films while with DC it's really hit (Burton's Batman, Nolan's Batman, Watchmen, V4Vendetta) or miss (virtually everything else), a bit like it was with non-Marvel produced MU films. Now in the end was GL or is BvS as bad as some say? I don't think so, they are pretty decent superheroes films if u ask me but maybe they lack something, a little magic or passion that you have in Marvel's films. But as I said I pretty much liked BvS overall and my final judgment over it will depend on how they build the universe from that point on. For all I know I may even like MoS better when I see it again, not as a stand alone film but as an episode in a series. It did that to me with Batman begins or Spider-Man 3: I wasn't too hot about those but when I saw the trilogies in a row suddenly they made much more sense and I got to like them better. [Edited 4/7/16 1:52am] A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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I really enjoyed this film. I know that it was really intense and a lot of the scenes would be upsetting for younger fans, but, it was never meant to be for younger children. They can enjoy the cartoons! A lot of the violence is over the top, but, this is supposed to be representative of a world that needs saving! The film was far from perfect. Lex Luther was incredibly badly cast! We really didn't require that final shot. Doomsday had a much better backstory in the comicbooks. I got the feeling that a lot of studio pressure was on the director to set up the next film where he should have been allowed to tell this tale over a couple of movies. Still, I think that The Dark Knight suffered from the same thing, where too much storytelling leads to an allegedly 'epic' film where two movies telling the same story could have had greater character development leading to a better emotional payoff. All in all a great night's entertainment which provoked a lot of debate within our family. Definitely not recommended for small children and people who take these things far too seriously. It's a great spectacle that should be watched on a big screen and I promise you that you will want to talk about it afterwards. My favourite movies are the ones that provoke thought and debate and this was very successful at that! | |
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I blame the Ass-Known-As Joel Schumacher for that disaster, not Clooney. Schumacher said he wanted to make Batman "fun" again, and that it was time he got over the death of his parents. That's when you knew the film was in trouble. And don't get me started with the nipples on the Batsuit - what's up with that? Thank goodness for Nolan & Bale rescuing the franchise after Schumacher nearly killed it.
Hardcore comic/sci-fi geeks like me don't want light-hearted kiddie fare - fuck that shit. I'm glad these films are more "adult". I want dark, gritty superhero movies, with heroes and villians dying. Yeah, Joel's Batman & Robin did suck. I never thought Clooney was bad it was just that script. I've always thought suppose Clooney was cast in Tim Burton's Batman & Batman Returns. Clooney in my opinion would have done well. Out of Clooney,Kilmer,Keaton I've always thought only Clooney could do both. P I've often wondered what we would have gotten In Batman 3 had Tim Burton,Michael Keaton had stayed with the the project. | |
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Mark Waid created the Hypertime concept. Morrison was one of the few writers who actually got what Waid was trying to do and wrote decent stories about it. There is a definite similarity, but in this case they are just opening up the possibility for stories to be told in the other universes. Whether or not Rebirth winds up using this or not remains to be seen. One encouraging thing, to me anyway, is that they seem to know they screwed the pooch with the New 52 reboot, and that the sense of legacy in the DCU took a massive hit. At this point, it may just be a band-aid on a shotgun wound though. We'll see. Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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Well, I agree with you, to a certain extent. I don't have a problem with multiple universes, as long as they are telling stories primarily in one. Marvel also has a Multiverse, and (until recently) they were telling the stories within both the Marvel Universe and Ultimate Universe. Now that those two universes have merged, it might streamline things...or it might make them way more confusing!
Still, this is the problem with BvS. These characters all act like some sort of alternate reality versions of their characters, instead of how they are depicted in the prime continuity. Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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The various series that Bruce Timm and Paul Dini worked on (Batman: The Animated Series, The New Adventures of Batman & Robin, Superman: The Animated Series, Batman: Beyond, Justice League and Justice League: Unlimited) are the single best translations of DC characters to date. Kevin Conroy remains THE best Batman...PERIOD! When I read a Batman comic, I hear his voice in my head!
Speaking of...THIS is washing away my pain from BvS! This looks simply superb! Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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I definitely think it's a legitimate concern. I mean, I understand that they didn't make this movie with kids in mind, but these are iconic superheroes that kids will still want to see. Most kids won't be disturbed by the subject matter, but it bugs me that these children will grow up thinking that the Justice League is a bunch of gun-toting, neck-snapping thugs. Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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Okay, this site really needs a "reply to multiple posts" function!!! Just saying!
I think there is a happy medium. You can have movies that are "darker" but also keep with the tone of the characters from the comics. Also, there are different characters that lend themselves to this treatment. A Justice League film should probably have a tone more in line with what Marvel did with The Avengers, but DC also owns The Authority, which is a violent, adult-aimed book. If they want to do a movie with characters killing their antagonists left and right, adapt that one!
The scene in BvS where Batman rescues Martha Kent is a great example. I have NO problem with 90% of the action in that scene. In fact, if you take Batman's use of guns out of the scene, it would be the fight I've always wanted in a Batman film. Batman should be dark (but not murderous). Superman, on the other hand, should not be. There should be a contrast between the two characters. It's a dynamic that makes their team-ups in the comics fascinating. Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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