Ottensen said:

can we add this to school curriculums...you know...it should be like the pledge of allegiance for high school kids.....

re-quired reading !

I'm not reading every post so I don't know if this has been stated before but it's not the disease itself that would turn me away but how it reflects on the character of the person that has it.

iinthesky85 said:

x a billion!!!!!

JustErin said:

Well thank you!!! Glad I'm not alone!

iinthesky85 said:

Hilarious.

iinthesky85 said:

Okay...I'm gonna go out on a limb....what does it reflect about a person?

CarrieLee said:

From one of SCNDLS' links...

StillGotIt said:

Well in this day and age, having sex without protection demonstrates irresponsibility, carelessness, reckless stupidity, thoughtlessness, selfishness, foolishness, etc. A wise person would, at the very least, use protection.

"Shrewd is the one that has seen the calamity and proceeds to conceal himself, but the inexperienced have passed along and must suffer the penalty" Proverbs 22:3

And it just keeps getting better with each post.

iinthesky85 said:

Or it could mean you are trying for children

JustErin said:

Like it or not, you know I'm right.

iinthesky85 said:

People catch shit for all kinds of reasons...you shouldn't judge so harshly. Calling somebody reckless, thoughtless, selfish and foolish for contracting something isn't fair. Everybody doesn't fall in the same category. Lets say somebody is dating another for years, and believed the relationship to have been just the two of them. One partner goes to the doctor only to discover they have contracted something...but they have been faithful.....also remember. Some people are carriers and have no idea.....

endymion said:

Or it could mean that you are in a committed relationship. Or it could mean nothing. Judgments like the person you are responding too are just fucked up.

StillGotIt said:

You're absolutely right, but with this foreknowledge that it could potentially happen, why take chances?

iinthesky85 said:

Anyone that quotes the bible is never right in my opinion.

Wow ...

JustErin said:

JustErin said:

Unfortunately people who quote the bible think they have a monoploy on whats 'right' so pointless arguing

endymion said:

Ya, for sure...I know. I just wanted to make sure that they understood that we were not in agreement at all.

iinthesky85 said:

Ironic that in a statement on sexual ethics you'd invoke a proverb attributed to a figure who, while recalled as wise, was perhaps the most rampant and undiscriminating womanizer in the ancient world.

Anyway, I'm not certain if all this is mere bait, but...

The overall seroprevalence of HSV-1 in the U.S. is a pretty big 58%; that of HSV-2 is about 17%. By age 50, somewhere near 90% of Americans will have antibodies for one or the other strain of the virus -- no matter how holier than thou they are. Both strains can be transmitted by something as innocuous as a kiss and both can cause genital outbreaks.

That said, if infections are a reflection of character, I'd say they pretty much confirm what we should already know and, in consistent faith, believe... especially if we're gonna start prooftexting scripture: "We are all as an unclean thing." -Isaiah 64:6
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I like lammastide.

JerseyKRS said:

Thanks, but just don't kiss me... not without a dental dam or something.

Lammastide said:

So 80% of all sexually active people have antibodies for HPV, having been exposed to it, and 90% have been exposed to herpes?



It keeps getting better and better!

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lascantas said:

I'm not sure about the HPV seroprevalence rates. Is 80% what you've heard? And is that overall, or for a particular age range?

Also keep in mind the 90ish% figure for HSV 1 and 2 are for U.S. adults age 50 and above, as far as I understand, although the overall infections rates are still pretty high IMHO.

In any case, yeah, it's a jungle out there. I'd not be out there giving it up without the assumption I would eventually take some little gift home with me.
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Lammastide said:

Lammastide said:

Yeah... We were at a little get-together, and we started to talking to a doctor about the HPV vaccine. Well.. this doctor was saying that 80% of sexually active people had been exposed to HPV! Apparently, the kind that causes cervical cancer DOES NOT produce warts? The kind that causes cancer is asymptomatic, and most people don't even know they have it. Worse, it can lie there dormant and show up when a person's immune system is down or something like that? So that's why is'really important for women to have pap smears throughout their lifetime..

I may have misunderstood some of this.. because we also were told something about the virus "clearing" one's system. So...I'm not sure of a lot of it.

I think the HPV vaccine helps protect agains the strains that cause cancer?

Oh... also apparently men are most often carriers or something, but also can end-up with cancer??

I was just shocked that 80% had been exposed.

Once, I had a slightly irregular pap smear, and the doctor ran an HPV test... I guess that's standard procedure? Well it was all negative, and then my next follow-up pap test was OK. It was nothing, apparently. But it scared me to have a slightly irregular or abnormal.. I can't remember it was their were cell changes or something. But I didn't have any evidence of any STD or infection.

I thought Oh.. I'm clear, but according to this other doctor, it can still show up or something later. In other words, just because an HPV test comes back negative, it can still be in your system. Apparently, there are blood tests, but since 80% of people have been exposed, there are some false positives or something?

I don't understand it very well, so I'm not sure.

I haven't had all that many partners, but... you know I've had more than one! LOL And even if my husband had more partners, he could have exposed me to something without even knowing!

So yeah.. I think it's wise to protect oneself...but in the moment of passion, I guess we are careless sometimes.

JustErin said:

You don't have to be a Christian to appreciate the principle. Think about it.

lascantas said:

Wow.

Yeah, this is all pretty throwing. I need to read up on HPV. I know almost nothing about it, but its link to cervical cancer is terrifying to me.

I'm glad you've been OK through your ordeals.