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Reply #570 posted 08/13/21 7:32am

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But was TRC anything more than a concept or a few songs recorded? Prince often spoke of forthcoming albums that never materialised. I hope he did, but I’m not convinced it exists in any solid form.


Well,Sam Jennings was asked by Prince to work on the packaging for TRC 2, so I'm assuming there was at least a rough tracklist.
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Reply #571 posted 08/13/21 9:42am

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after a few listens i have concluded this album was not shelved but rather just not complete .. obviously there is the missing guitar solo from check the record but also the whole album feels constructed for brilliant massive horn charts throughout similar to the hornwork at montreaux .. there is A LOT of space and sparse playing i can almost here the horn stabs and arrangements in my head filling in the very simple instrumental work that feels more like backing work instead of featured sounds .. i imagine p used his cdrs to work on horn arrangements but never got them in the studio to finish overdubbing .. if finished off this could have been an old friends for sale level of decent enough prince album .. the lyrics are far less stupid than rainbow children tho rc sounds finished to me .. there is always the risk of overdoing it as p has done at times but this really feels a bit empty in places it shouldn't .. born to die .. stand up .. someday we will all be free .. hot summer are the highlights but feel like a dirty mind demo without as much sense of purpose (or sex) .. again likely due to it being intended as a horn heavy record with a final vocal .. i think the chick on hot summer sounds like that chick in sly stones band that yells "sing a simple song do ray me fa etc ... " i think he was going for a sly stone vibe but with a lite conservative christian house band .. the kind of music that would bring jehova witness to tears but might put the rest of us to sleep .. for the forward poltical themes there is not much fire in the belly on these recordings .. ultimately a fun listen that reminds me of the song "forever" which i didn't love at first but grew on me but still remains a bit tame .. anyway .. not sure if any of these songs are truly keepers but still an interesting listen

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Reply #572 posted 08/13/21 9:44am

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OperatingThetan said:

Dandroppedadime said:
But was TRC anything more than a concept or a few songs recorded? Prince often spoke of forthcoming albums that never materialised. I hope he did, but I’m not convinced it exists in any solid form.
Well,Sam Jennings was asked by Prince to work on the packaging for TRC 2, so I'm assuming there was at least a rough tracklist.


pure conjecture on my part here but I would think that either TRC 2 evolved into "Last December" - the album mentioned in the ONA tour book, or the other way around "Last December -> TRC2".


if that is the case, it would be pretty safe to say it was a project that was more than just a couple
of songs, but something he'd been working on/thinking about for a little while at least.

what else could this "Last December" album be, other than a continuation on the same road he'd
turned into with TRC?

it would be interesting if Sam Jennings can remember the approx date when he was asked to do
artwork for TRC2.

very very interested right here about anything post-TRC/pre-MUSICOLOGY other than the (great)
instrumental albums and EP we got during that time.


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Reply #573 posted 08/13/21 11:14am

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TrevorAyer said:

after a few listens i have concluded this album was not shelved but rather just not complete .. obviously there is the missing guitar solo from check the record but also the whole album feels constructed for brilliant massive horn charts throughout similar to the hornwork at montreaux .. there is A LOT of space and sparse playing i can almost here the horn stabs and arrangements in my head filling in the very simple instrumental work that feels more like backing work instead of featured sounds .. i imagine p used his cdrs to work on horn arrangements but never got them in the studio to finish overdubbing .. if finished off this could have been an old friends for sale level of decent enough prince album .. the lyrics are far less stupid than rainbow children tho rc sounds finished to me .. there is always the risk of overdoing it as p has done at times but this really feels a bit empty in places it shouldn't .. born to die .. stand up .. someday we will all be free .. hot summer are the highlights but feel like a dirty mind demo without as much sense of purpose (or sex) .. again likely due to it being intended as a horn heavy record with a final vocal .. i think the chick on hot summer sounds like that chick in sly stones band that yells "sing a simple song do ray me fa etc ... " i think he was going for a sly stone vibe but with a lite conservative christian house band .. the kind of music that would bring jehova witness to tears but might put the rest of us to sleep .. for the forward poltical themes there is not much fire in the belly on these recordings .. ultimately a fun listen that reminds me of the song "forever" which i didn't love at first but grew on me but still remains a bit tame .. anyway .. not sure if any of these songs are truly keepers but still an interesting listen


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Reply #574 posted 08/13/21 5:32pm

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TrevorAyer said:

montreaux


https://www.montreuxriviera.com/en/

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Reply #575 posted 08/15/21 6:54pm

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After a few weeks of listening to this album, I have grown to like it even more.

A few songs that I thought were clunkers (like Check The Record) have also grown on me.

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Reply #576 posted 08/15/21 9:17pm

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This live concert is GREAT!

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Reply #577 posted 08/16/21 4:09am

Se7en

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CAL3 said:

TrevorAyer said:

after a few listens i have concluded this album was not shelved but rather just not complete .. obviously there is the missing guitar solo from check the record but also the whole album feels constructed for brilliant massive horn charts throughout similar to the hornwork at montreaux .. there is A LOT of space and sparse playing i can almost here the horn stabs and arrangements in my head filling in the very simple instrumental work that feels more like backing work instead of featured sounds .. i imagine p used his cdrs to work on horn arrangements but never got them in the studio to finish overdubbing .. if finished off this could have been an old friends for sale level of decent enough prince album .. the lyrics are far less stupid than rainbow children tho rc sounds finished to me .. there is always the risk of overdoing it as p has done at times but this really feels a bit empty in places it shouldn't .. born to die .. stand up .. someday we will all be free .. hot summer are the highlights but feel like a dirty mind demo without as much sense of purpose (or sex) .. again likely due to it being intended as a horn heavy record with a final vocal .. i think the chick on hot summer sounds like that chick in sly stones band that yells "sing a simple song do ray me fa etc ... " i think he was going for a sly stone vibe but with a lite conservative christian house band .. the kind of music that would bring jehova witness to tears but might put the rest of us to sleep .. for the forward poltical themes there is not much fire in the belly on these recordings .. ultimately a fun listen that reminds me of the song "forever" which i didn't love at first but grew on me but still remains a bit tame .. anyway .. not sure if any of these songs are truly keepers but still an interesting listen

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Agreed that some of the songs sound like they're missing "something" - but still enjoyable. I don't want a blistering guitar solo on every track, but this album could use 1 or 2 songs like that.

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Reply #578 posted 08/18/21 10:27am

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Graycap23 said:

This live concert is GREAT!



I'm still going crazy over "17 Days" here dancing jig



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Reply #579 posted 08/18/21 11:56am

Milty2

Se7en said:

CAL3 said:

TrevorAyer said: . BOOM


Agreed that some of the songs sound like they're missing "something" - but still enjoyable. I don't want a blistering guitar solo on every track, but this album could use 1 or 2 songs like that.

Not that this has anything to do with W2A but I always wondered why Parade was pretty much bereft of guitar solos or guitar focused songs. I've stopped listening to W2A for now. Not because I don't like it - I actually do. I'm still waiting on my vinyl and want to experience it that way instead of just listening to it via iTunes.

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Reply #580 posted 08/18/21 11:56am

Milty2

LILpoundCAKE said:

Graycap23 said:

This live concert is GREAT!



I'm still going crazy over "17 Days" here dancing jig



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Reply #581 posted 08/19/21 9:56am

Milty2

Just got my W2A boxset but had to go to the post office and collect it. The lady I sometimes deal with at the post office is usually a bit surly in the morning. Never smiles or says hello. Maybe she doesn't have her V-8 until later in the day.

Anyway, I paid the duty and all that but on my way out the door she yells,"Enjoy Prince!". I guess she can't be that bad.

Boxset is gorgeous. Expensive but lots to look at. Also got the W2A 7 inch.

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Reply #582 posted 08/19/21 5:13pm

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Milty2 said:

Just got my W2A boxset but had to go to the post office and collect it. The lady I sometimes deal with at the post office is usually a bit surly in the morning. Never smiles or says hello. Maybe she doesn't have her V-8 until later in the day.

Anyway, I paid the duty and all that but on my way out the door she yells,"Enjoy Prince!". I guess she can't be that bad.

Boxset is gorgeous. Expensive but lots to look at. Also got the W2A 7 inch.


Enjoy! cool

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Reply #583 posted 08/19/21 10:50pm

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Wish I could get into this, but I just can't. I prefer every album released within 5 years of when this was recorded by quite some distance. I like the idea of a complete album (though this just sounds like it was compiled based on one of a few CDRs floating around) being released all the same, but yeah, there's nothing here that stands out as special, IMO. Maybe 6 songs I'd rate a 7/10, but there are a few clunkers in there as well.

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Reply #584 posted 08/20/21 10:18am

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Moonbeam said:

Wish I could get into this, but I just can't. I prefer every album released within 5 years of when this was recorded by quite some distance. I like the idea of a complete album (though this just sounds like it was compiled based on one of a few CDRs floating around) being released all the same, but yeah, there's nothing here that stands out as special, IMO. Maybe 6 songs I'd rate a 7/10, but there are a few clunkers in there as well.

I am enjoying it, but I get what you are saying...there are no outstanding tracks. IMO, there are quite a few GOOD tracks and it flows well, but it doesn't have that one or two songs that wows me, unlike releases after this. I still hate Hot Summer.

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Reply #585 posted 08/21/21 12:16am

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Sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere.

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At 3:44:00 on the latest episode of Violet (in French):

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https://podcast.ausha.co/...lon-prince

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Morris Hayes mentions that, for his additional work, he used Prince's stereo mixes from a CD (CD-R, I guess?) and imported those stereo mixes onto his computer to add his parts. Most of the tracks Morris worked on (all except one, if I understand correctly) are not mixed from the multitracks, but from the stereo mixes from Prince + the additional tracks from Morris. At some point, Morris had to actually rip those CD-Rs on his computer (at his home!) and it's that rip that we hear on the final mixes including Morris' parts.

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So, yeah, it could be an explanation for why we hear ripping artifacts on some of the tracks. But not "Stand Up And B Strong", as Morris didn't work on that song...

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Reply #586 posted 08/21/21 5:17am

Milty2

olb99 said:

Sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere.

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At 3:44:00 on the latest episode of Violet (in French):

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https://podcast.ausha.co/...lon-prince

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Morris Hayes mentions that, for his additional work, he used Prince's stereo mixes from a CD (CD-R, I guess?) and imported those stereo mixes onto his computer to add his parts. Most of the tracks Morris worked on (all except one, if I understand correctly) are not mixed from the multitracks, but from the stereo mixes from Prince + the additional tracks from Morris. At some point, Morris had to actually rip those CD-Rs on his computer (at his home!) and it's that rip that we hear on the final mixes including Morris' parts.

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So, yeah, it could be an explanation for why we hear ripping artifacts on some of the tracks. But not "Stand Up And B Strong", as Morris didn't work on that song...

I don't understand. Why didn't he just add his parts to the multi tracks? Or am I not reading it right?

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Reply #587 posted 08/21/21 6:40am

MIRvmn

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Poplife88 said:



Moonbeam said:


Wish I could get into this, but I just can't. I prefer every album released within 5 years of when this was recorded by quite some distance. I like the idea of a complete album (though this just sounds like it was compiled based on one of a few CDRs floating around) being released all the same, but yeah, there's nothing here that stands out as special, IMO. Maybe 6 songs I'd rate a 7/10, but there are a few clunkers in there as well.




I am enjoying it, but I get what you are saying...there are no outstanding tracks. IMO, there are quite a few GOOD tracks and it flows well, but it doesn't have that one or two songs that wows me, unlike releases after this. I still hate Hot Summer.


Yes I agree. It's like Musicology but still a good album and better than 20Ten, HNR1 and Plectrumelectrum imo.
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Reply #588 posted 08/21/21 1:50pm

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Milty2 said:

olb99 said:

Sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere.

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At 3:44:00 on the latest episode of Violet (in French):

.

https://podcast.ausha.co/...lon-prince

.

Morris Hayes mentions that, for his additional work, he used Prince's stereo mixes from a CD (CD-R, I guess?) and imported those stereo mixes onto his computer to add his parts. Most of the tracks Morris worked on (all except one, if I understand correctly) are not mixed from the multitracks, but from the stereo mixes from Prince + the additional tracks from Morris. At some point, Morris had to actually rip those CD-Rs on his computer (at his home!) and it's that rip that we hear on the final mixes including Morris' parts.

.

So, yeah, it could be an explanation for why we hear ripping artifacts on some of the tracks. But not "Stand Up And B Strong", as Morris didn't work on that song...

I don't understand. Why didn't he just add his parts to the multi tracks? Or am I not reading it right?

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Prince apparently didn't give him the multitracks. I don't know why. It doesn't really make sense, but that's what Morris is saying.

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Reply #589 posted 08/21/21 2:50pm

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Milty2 said:

olb99 said:

Sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere.

.

At 3:44:00 on the latest episode of Violet (in French):

.

https://podcast.ausha.co/...lon-prince

.

Morris Hayes mentions that, for his additional work, he used Prince's stereo mixes from a CD (CD-R, I guess?) and imported those stereo mixes onto his computer to add his parts. Most of the tracks Morris worked on (all except one, if I understand correctly) are not mixed from the multitracks, but from the stereo mixes from Prince + the additional tracks from Morris. At some point, Morris had to actually rip those CD-Rs on his computer (at his home!) and it's that rip that we hear on the final mixes including Morris' parts.

.

So, yeah, it could be an explanation for why we hear ripping artifacts on some of the tracks. But not "Stand Up And B Strong", as Morris didn't work on that song...

I don't understand. Why didn't he just add his parts to the multi tracks? Or am I not reading it right?

He didn't have the multi tracks. (2 my understanding)

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Reply #590 posted 08/21/21 7:47pm

Milty2

olb99 said:

Milty2 said:

I don't understand. Why didn't he just add his parts to the multi tracks? Or am I not reading it right?

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Prince apparently didn't give him the multitracks. I don't know why. It doesn't really make sense, but that's what Morris is saying.

How odd. So the multi tracks must be in the Vault (at Iron Mountain) but without Morris's contributions. Right?

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Reply #591 posted 08/21/21 11:00pm

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Milty2 said:

olb99 said:

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Prince apparently didn't give him the multitracks. I don't know why. It doesn't really make sense, but that's what Morris is saying.

How odd. So the multi tracks must be in the Vault (at Iron Mountain) but without Morris's contributions. Right?

Exactly.

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Reply #592 posted 08/23/21 1:46pm

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olb99 said:



Milty2 said:




olb99 said:



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Prince apparently didn't give him the multitracks. I don't know why. It doesn't really make sense, but that's what Morris is saying.



How odd. So the multi tracks must be in the Vault (at Iron Mountain) but without Morris's contributions. Right?



Exactly.



This is so strange

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Reply #593 posted 08/23/21 2:36pm

Milty2

olb99 said:

Milty2 said:

How odd. So the multi tracks must be in the Vault (at Iron Mountain) but without Morris's contributions. Right?

Exactly.

Something doesn't make sense because I can't imagine it's that hard to migrate Morris's parts onto the multi tracks. With today's computer recording techniques, you can literally do anything. Maybe the multi tracks are damaged and they had no choice but to use the cd-r.

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Reply #594 posted 08/23/21 6:54pm

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Milty2 said:

olb99 said:

Exactly.

Something doesn't make sense because I can't imagine it's that hard to migrate Morris's parts onto the multi tracks. With today's computer recording techniques, you can literally do anything. Maybe the multi tracks are damaged and they had no choice but to use the cd-r.

Morris would likely have a DAW file with Prince's stereo master, along with his own seperated tracks.

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Reply #595 posted 08/25/21 5:40am

Milty2

It seems that W2A is trending on Discogs again. All formats too. It's not a numerical chart but two of the formats are "Top Ten".

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Reply #596 posted 08/30/21 5:05pm

Milty2

W2A is the top trending item on Discogs for the last couple of days.

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