independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Forum jump
Forums > Prince: Music and More > WELCOME 2 AMERICA: RELEASE DATE 07/30/21 -PT II
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 11 of 20 « First<789101112131415>Last »
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Reply #300 posted 07/26/21 8:01am

yeahronimo

avatar

Romeoblu said:

CAL3 said:
So this was sourced not from masters but a glitch-laden CD-R? . Damn, and I was really looking forward to this release. . Preorders cancelled immediately after reading the recent posts in this thread. . So it’s pretty much official I guess: the Estate simply does not have the capabilities to do anything correctly with the posthumous releases. . I shouldn’t be surprised. Oh well, if Prince didn’t want this released I feel it’s best to not listen to it or supports its release. That’s been my stance with the shit-fidelity vault material and now this album is following suit with shit-fidelity as well. . Personally I’m choosing to avoid any and all forthcoming releases - not only because no one knows if or when Prince would’ve released it, but also because apparently there is no way for the Estate to access master recordings in order to do a properly mastered release of any vault material.
Apparently a couple of people who have received the album early are reporting the clicks are not on their copies. Hopefully this is true and the leaked files were the same sent out for review purposes and use in the podcast [Edited 7/24/21 23:41pm] [Edited 7/25/21 0:36am]

THIS! Is what I was thinking all the time: who says the leak is from the finished album and not the cdr's Prince quickly put together to listen in his car to see if the song sequence worked ?

I feel there aren't any song transitions/crossfades/whatever you call it.

Here's hoping.

I had low expectations for this album but I actually like it a lot. As some people have said, there's not one song I don't like.

This is not music, this is a trip
No, it's not a drug, it's something more hip
Don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
Purple music does the same to my brain
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #301 posted 07/26/21 9:07am

TheEnglishGent

avatar

Yeah, let's not jump the gun and have a repeat of guttedgate. Let's wait and see how the actual product is.

RIP sad
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #302 posted 07/26/21 9:37am

Romeoblu

Was One Day We Will All B Free totally unknown of until the tracklist came out?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #303 posted 07/26/21 9:46am

Marco81

Romeoblu said:

Was One Day We Will All B Free totally unknown of until the tracklist came out?

Yep. Actually the last 3 tracks were not part of the tracks slated for W2A as mentioned on Pricevault before the final tracklist came out, although the existence of 1010 (handwritten lyrics) and Yes (PP Vault photo of the master) were known.

[Edited 7/26/21 9:49am]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #304 posted 07/26/21 9:56am

JAYJOE

I unfortunately think the clicks will be present on the release as Morris has recently stated that he was given a CD to work with (not the multi track master tape) So I would presume the "Masters" that were photographed in the vault would be the original files without Morris's production added, And the CD was the only way to get those tracks with the additional production (Hope I am wrong though)

he might have better luck if he was drummin with his Dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #305 posted 07/26/21 9:57am

Romeoblu

Marco81 said:



Romeoblu said:


Was One Day We Will All B Free totally unknown of until the tracklist came out?

Yep. Actually the last 3 tracks were not part of the tracks slated for W2A as mentioned on Pricevault before the final tracklist came out, although the existence of 1010 (handwritten lyrics) and Yes (PP Vault photo of the master) were known.

[Edited 7/26/21 9:49am]



Thanks.

I think that means now we've had 2 totally unknown tracks come out of the Vault.

It's Be like that Sometimes and One Day We Will All B Free.

However without the Vault photos that would be a few more.
[Edited 7/26/21 9:57am]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #306 posted 07/26/21 10:00am

Romeoblu

JAYJOE said:

I unfortunately think the clicks will be present on the release as Morris has recently stated that he was given a CD to work with (not the multi track master tape) So I would presume the "Masters" that were photographed in the vault would be the original files without Morris's production added, And the CD was the only way to get those tracks with the additional production (Hope I am wrong though)



I think Morris said he didn't work on Stand Up Be Strong so they could use the Pausley Park master tape
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #307 posted 07/26/21 10:03am

JAYJOE

Romeoblu said:

JAYJOE said:

I unfortunately think the clicks will be present on the release as Morris has recently stated that he was given a CD to work with (not the multi track master tape) So I would presume the "Masters" that were photographed in the vault would be the original files without Morris's production added, And the CD was the only way to get those tracks with the additional production (Hope I am wrong though)

I think Morris said he didn't work on Stand Up Be Strong so they could use the Pausley Park master tape

Very true!

he might have better luck if he was drummin with his Dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #308 posted 07/26/21 10:58am

Phase3

Romeoblu said:

JAYJOE said:

I unfortunately think the clicks will be present on the release as Morris has recently stated that he was given a CD to work with (not the multi track master tape) So I would presume the "Masters" that were photographed in the vault would be the original files without Morris's production added, And the CD was the only way to get those tracks with the additional production (Hope I am wrong though)



I think Morris said he didn't work on Stand Up Be Strong so they could use the Pausley Park master tape

I want the rock version of "Stand up and be strong" with Prince on lead vocals that was mentioned here recently..I hope it gets a release one day
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #309 posted 07/26/21 11:32am

Strive

highcalonic said:

For the French readers, here's a new Morris Hayes interview about W2A :

www.funku.fr/2021/morris-...important/

One answer is interesting, about 1010 (Rin Tin Tin) he says :

This song as « 1000 Light Years From here », « Yes » and « One Day We’ll All Be Free » come from the estate and were not included on the CD that Prince gave me back then.

[Edited 7/26/21 2:36am]

Hmmmm, why would the estate offer to use the HNR2 version if they used a CD that Prince himself put together. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

"Oh, Man... This version is much better. Estate had offered to reuse this version, but I explained to them that the one I had was much higher and they ended up including it in this album."

Also this is interesting. Morris mentions that Prince did - and vaulted - an entire album with Maceo Parker.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #310 posted 07/26/21 11:37am

OnlyNDaUsa

avatar

few note the backwards part on Welcome 2 America: Says something like "Clear the channel of ??? clear the channel of facts, clear the channel of sin, clear the channel..." (anyone else?)

And the song "yes" had similar synth sound as "Beginning Endlessly" and parts of the guitar reminds me of "Peach"

"So the best way to get something done, if you, if you hold near and dear to that, you uh um, like to be able uh...Anyway." - Joe Biden
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #311 posted 07/26/21 12:09pm

SchlomoThaHomo

avatar

OnlyNDaUsa said:

few note the backwards part on Welcome 2 America: Says something like "Clear the channel of ??? clear the channel of facts, clear the channel of sin, clear the channel..." (anyone else?)

And the song "yes" had similar synth sound as "Beginning Endlessly" and parts of the guitar reminds me of "Peach"



Haha sly dig at Clear Channel.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #312 posted 07/26/21 12:13pm

Marco81

Strive said:


Also this is interesting. Morris mentions that Prince did - and vaulted - an entire album with Maceo Parker.

Wouldn't surprise me if that's the one featuring Turn Me Loose and Prince & the Band
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #313 posted 07/26/21 12:52pm

MIRvmn

avatar

I'm very glad that the estate has finally released a finished album from the vault and hope they continue with this. I didn't have any high expectations for W2A since some of Princes post-2000 output hasn't always been that great but I was surprised. W2A is not on the same level as TRC, Lotusflow3r, AOA and HNR2 but it's a good album. I wish it had been the follow up to Lotusflow3r instead of 20Ten back in 2010, then I wouldn't have been so disappointed. W2A shows that Prince was holding back some really good music for whatever reason and it makes me even more curious about the other unreleased albums recorded between 2010-13.
I'll rate it 3/5

Welcome 2 America - 3/5
I like this one and it reminds me of TRC.

Running Game (Son of a slave master)
3/5
Not bad.

Born 2 Die 4/5
It's very good.

1000 Light Years From Here - 3/5
It's nice to finally hear this version.

Hot Summer 2/5
A nice little song.

Stand Up & B Strong 1/5
Nah its the worst track on the album.

Check the record 4/5
Strong track and feels like it could fit on Lotusflow3r.

Same page, different book 3/5
It's decent but haven't listened to it that much over the years.

When She Comes 4/5
Far better than the HNR2 version.

1010 (Rin Tin Tin) 2/5
Maybe it will grow on me.

Yes 4/5
Another really strong track but I wish it was longer.

One Day We Will All B Free 5/5
Best song on the album. I really like this one.
[Edited 7/26/21 12:55pm]
We are living in Orwell's 1984
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #314 posted 07/26/21 1:26pm

Genesia

avatar

Sounds like this release is one I want to "try before I buy." lol

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #315 posted 07/26/21 1:52pm

master

Genesia said:

Sounds like this release is one I want to "try before I buy." lol


U r probably better following a diff artist. £10 is insane for a music cd. I always ask at Kentucky if I can try before buy, but they keep saying no. I never sure if gonna like it. First they change straw to paper and then they stop normal sugary pepsi.
[Edited 7/26/21 13:53pm]
[Edited 7/26/21 13:54pm]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #316 posted 07/26/21 2:38pm

love2thenines2
003

Marco81 said:

Strive said:


Also this is interesting. Morris mentions that Prince did - and vaulted - an entire album with Maceo Parker.

Wouldn't surprise me if that's the one featuring Turn Me Loose and Prince & the Band



Here the sequence in the interview where Morris talked about it !


"
Are there any other albums of the same kind, i.e. fully finished and ready for release, in the Vault?

Yes, you have no idea! I'm thinking of a whole album with Maceo Parker, among others..."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #317 posted 07/26/21 4:12pm

herb4

avatar

Stellar review from the AV CLub


https://www.avclub.com/pr...1847362598

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #318 posted 07/26/21 9:04pm

fragglerock

avatar

herb4 said:

Stellar review from the AV CLub


https://www.avclub.com/pr...1847362598

I have no words for how ridiculous this review is, basically says everything from 1996 until 2010 was trash, and apparently this is fantastic. We're going to see so many reviews like this unfortunately, because theyre all scared theyll be accused of being racist if they say they dont like Princes black album

[Edited 7/26/21 23:42pm]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #319 posted 07/26/21 10:42pm

playtime92

fragglerock said:



herb4 said:


Stellar review from the AV CLub



https://www.avclub.com/pr...1847362598




I have no words for how ridiculous this review is, basically says everything from 1996 until 2010 was trash, and apparently this is fantastic. We're going to see so many reviews like this unfortunately, because theyre all scared theyll be accused of being racist if they say they dont like Princes black album



It says he was still capable of making interesting music but his curatorial skills meant most of his later albums weren't great. That's pretty on the money for me. The Rainbow Children and 3121 were good. Lotusflow3r is ok. I very rarely listen to his other albums from that period all the way through. Welcome 2 America is better.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #320 posted 07/26/21 11:34pm

antonb

Try reading the review from the Irish times! Wow the most negative review I have read of a prince album. 1 star! The good news is apparently it’s 23 tracks long! I kid you not!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #321 posted 07/26/21 11:46pm

fragglerock

avatar

antonb said:

Try reading the review from the Irish times! Wow the most negative review I have read of a prince album. 1 star! The good news is apparently it’s 23 tracks long! I kid you not!

Finally some honesty hehe its pretty harsh but its way closer to the truth than the other over-the-top positive drivel ive been reading

https://www.irishtimes.co...-1.4630636

[Edited 7/27/21 0:01am]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #322 posted 07/27/21 12:00am

Funkerogamer

Comment deleted - l'ange bleu - moderator
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #323 posted 07/27/21 1:15am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

i was going to buy this album this week but am suspicious of all the OTT reviews.

and then when people are saying this isnt as good as lotus flower and AOA, which while with their highlights, were def NOT great albums overall, im dubious how good this is really going to be.

my feeling is that a political prince album that finds him writing about race in 2021 is not an album white liberal critics are going to be too tough on.

but ive a feeling this will just be another typical album of prince at this period - a few highlights, hopefully, but the rest will just be so so.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #324 posted 07/27/21 1:42am

themanfromnept
une

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

i was going to buy this album this week but am suspicious of all the OTT reviews.

and then when people are saying this isnt as good as lotus flower and AOA, which while with their highlights, were def NOT great albums overall, im dubious how good this is really going to be.

my feeling is that a political prince album that finds him writing about race in 2021 is not an album white liberal critics are going to be too tough on.

but ive a feeling this will just be another typical album of prince at this period - a few highlights, hopefully, but the rest will just be so so.

.

To be honest: why are you here if you only want to buy masterpieces by a dead artist? I will buy all the unreleased material from the vault, because I would love to hear all the songs he has created. I can understand a casual listener, but a lover of Prince's music who is in doubt whether spending $ 15 on his favorite musician's unreleased music is incomprehensible to me.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #325 posted 07/27/21 1:46am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

uhhh who on earth are you to judge me for deciding what i do and dont want to buy? maybe you want to read a bit closer - i didnt say i WASNT going to buy it, just that i was suspicious of the reviews. either way, if i dont want to buy a prince album, i dont have to. i am still a fan and have listened to prince more than any other artist, and read about him more than anyone else. besides, i own all his albums, even the ones from the 00s im not that keen on, so i get to voice an opinion, thanks very much, prince police. fandom is not meant to be a totalitarian state.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #326 posted 07/27/21 2:07am

dualboot

avatar

fragglerock said:

antonb said:

Try reading the review from the Irish times! Wow the most negative review I have read of a prince album. 1 star! The good news is apparently it’s 23 tracks long! I kid you not!

Finally some honesty hehe its pretty harsh but its way closer to the truth than the other over-the-top positive drivel ive been reading

https://www.irishtimes.co...-1.4630636

[Edited 7/27/21 0:01am]


it is actuallly quite accurate as assesment of this release. I regret having to say this.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #327 posted 07/27/21 2:09am

highcalonic

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

uhhh who on earth are you to judge me for deciding what i do and dont want to buy? maybe you want to read a bit closer - i didnt say i WASNT going to buy it, just that i was suspicious of the reviews. either way, if i dont want to buy a prince album, i dont have to. i am still a fan and have listened to prince more than any other artist, and read about him more than anyone else. besides, i own all his albums, even the ones from the 00s im not that keen on, so i get to voice an opinion, thanks very much, prince police. fandom is not meant to be a totalitarian state.

Listen to it by yourself and make your own judgement. Why care about reviews...

"You can skate around the issue if you like,
But who's gonna get you high in the middle of the night?"
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #328 posted 07/27/21 2:50am

TheEnglishGent

avatar

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

my feeling is that a political prince album that finds him writing about race in 2021 is not an album white liberal critics are going to be too tough on.

It's hardly a political album. It's pretty standard Prince song subjects. The social commentary song, the sex song, the religious song, the record companies are shit song, the fluffy pop song etc.

RIP sad
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #329 posted 07/27/21 1:55pm

lust

avatar

dualboot said:



fragglerock said:




antonb said:


Try reading the review from the Irish times! Wow the most negative review I have read of a prince album. 1 star! The good news is apparently it’s 23 tracks long! I kid you not!


Finally some honesty hehe its pretty harsh but its way closer to the truth than the other over-the-top positive drivel ive been reading



https://www.irishtimes.co...-1.4630636




[Edited 7/27/21 0:01am]




it is actuallly quite accurate as assesment of this release. I regret having to say this.




Accurate? Cool. I’ll wait for the 23 track version of the album then.

“A gruelling 23-track odyssey of farcical self-indulgence”

Pretty clear that he didn’t actually listen to the album. If he’s right, it’s a lucky guess.
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 11 of 20 « First<789101112131415>Last »
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Prince: Music and More > WELCOME 2 AMERICA: RELEASE DATE 07/30/21 -PT II