ChocolateBox3121 said:

lastdecember said:

I see people citing that the public knew of the Narcan shots? Really? that was reported after death, I do not recall ever hearing he was given Narcan, I heard the plane landed and he had the Flu that was why it landed he went to the hospital and was released. All the other things came out after death, like the shot and also dismissing himself from the hospital. I think a lot is known in his circle, I think seeing the recent interviews with Morris, and he doesnt hide the fact that he "had a problem", also saying he had heard from others he was using. I dont really see a reason for him to lie. I think PRINCE had a problem did not want it known, no matter what, but something that MORRIS said is so true, he said " i had troubles with drugs but i was young in my 20's and it took less to come out of that" Prince was a much older man, regardless of where this started, if it was something as simple as becoming addicted to pain meds after surgery that is not "unusual" at all. It happened to everyone from Chevy Chase to Johnny Mathis to Richard Carpenter to Chris Cornell. Prince thought he was on a higher power and he could beat it, by himself with no one knowing, I think he was ashamed of his addiction, because of how and what he preached to now be addicted, and to have the press digging into him, for a man that NEVER had a scandal, thats right think about it, what scandal did PRINCE ever have? none, and now age 57 he was going to have to face drug addiction, he thought he was better and that he could beat it or honestly maybe at a point he felt if he died that was how it was to be.

TMZ revealed b 4 Prince(r.i.p.) transitioned that he had an emergency plane landing, life or death, Narcan shot.Which put him into damage control OVERDRIVE!

Dont recall it mainly because TMZ is shady to begin with, this would have been all over other media outlets and it never surfaced not even social media saw any of it.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

lastdecember said:

I see people citing that the public knew of the Narcan shots? Really? that was reported after death, I do not recall ever hearing he was given Narcan, I heard the plane landed and he had the Flu that was why it landed he went to the hospital and was released. All the other things came out after death, like the shot and also dismissing himself from the hospital. I think a lot is known in his circle, I think seeing the recent interviews with Morris, and he doesnt hide the fact that he "had a problem", also saying he had heard from others he was using. I dont really see a reason for him to lie. I think PRINCE had a problem did not want it known, no matter what, but something that MORRIS said is so true, he said " i had troubles with drugs but i was young in my 20's and it took less to come out of that" Prince was a much older man, regardless of where this started, if it was something as simple as becoming addicted to pain meds after surgery that is not "unusual" at all. It happened to everyone from Chevy Chase to Johnny Mathis to Richard Carpenter to Chris Cornell. Prince thought he was on a higher power and he could beat it, by himself with no one knowing, I think he was ashamed of his addiction, because of how and what he preached to now be addicted, and to have the press digging into him, for a man that NEVER had a scandal, thats right think about it, what scandal did PRINCE ever have? none, and now age 57 he was going to have to face drug addiction, he thought he was better and that he could beat it or honestly maybe at a point he felt if he died that was how it was to be.

TMZ revealed b 4 Prince(r.i.p.) transitioned that he had an emergency plane landing, life or death, Narcan shot.Which put him into damage control OVERDRIVE!

ChocolateBox is correct. I believe TMZ even had pics of him on the gurney on the runway.

I also agree that his damage control was in overdrive.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

TMZ revealed b 4 Prince(r.i.p.) transitioned that he had an emergency plane landing, life or death, Narcan shot.Which put him into damage control OVERDRIVE!

ChocolateBox is correct. I believe TMZ even had pics of him on the gurney on the runway.

I also agree that his damage control was in overdrive.

intersting I'm researching tmz and their mention that he was treated for a drug overdose was in an article dated on April 21 following his death

Sharonash said:

LoveGalore said:

Sharonash said:

He took the laced pills because he felt flu like symptoms from the withdrawal. The oxy didnt help. He needed stronger pills. He didnt know how dangerous these pills are. Who the hell gave him them??? My opinion ..

Something about that doesnt make sense to me. The flu like symptoms don't stop you from feeling the effects of opiates and he was already on opiates that day (21st) as it was in his piss. He did know those pills were bad news because he literally overdosed and almost died on them. So you're telling me that the doctor sits and advises him for 7 hours the night he almost died, tells him the mixing of pills could've been the culprit, he says he only took two (three?) pills but goes unconscious mere minutes after ingesting the Bayer bottle pills, and he goes right back to taking them while he is alone? Look, Prince was a smart guy. I don't know how much I buy the idea that he was somehow incredibly ignorant about these pills that way. We do not know why he bothered buying street drugs when he could've gotten pills prescribed a thousand times in someone else's name. And given how potent the pills were, you can be sure they weren't lent to him by someone who was already taking them. These were purchased right from a vendor and who knows how many other people they killed. He either knew the lethal potency ahead of time and was a real asshole by trying to kill himself in front of Judith OR he found out their lethal potential after Moline. Either way, it cannot be stated in good faith that Prince died not knowing the Bayer bottle pills were lethal.

In the investigative files, he asked a number of his staff to contact their MD's to meet with him for the purpose of prescribing opiates to him. This went on for some time. Perhaps he found it ultimately easier to order them directly.

-The opiates in his urine were not the opiates that killed him. They were not Fentanyl.

-Authorities have not shared blood-work from 4/20

-There has been quite a bit of commentary about whether Prince knew what was in the lethal pills.

Personally, I think he knew, as he was a long-time user. However, at the very least he likely knew they were stronger. He was able to successfully avoid them for 5 days after Moline.

He had 2 bottles next to his bed...one with Lidocaine pills, the other with Fent-laced pills. Why were both there?

Also had 15 Fent-laced pills on his dresser in tissue.

Also, an MD would not prescribe Fentanyl to someone who was not either a cancer patient or the equivalent.

[Edited 12/29/19 18:30pm]

LoveGalore said:

casi1 said:

LoveGalore said:

Something about that doesnt make sense to me. The flu like symptoms don't stop you from feeling the effects of opiates and he was already on opiates that day (21st) as it was in his piss. He did know those pills were bad news because he literally overdosed and almost died on them. So you're telling me that the doctor sits and advises him for 7 hours the night he almost died, tells him the mixing of pills could've been the culprit, he says he only took two (three?) pills but goes unconscious mere minutes after ingesting the Bayer bottle pills, and he goes right back to taking them while he is alone? Look, Prince was a smart guy. I don't know how much I buy the idea that he was somehow incredibly ignorant about these pills that way. We do not know why he bothered buying street drugs when he could've gotten pills prescribed a thousand times in someone else's name. And given how potent the pills were, you can be sure they weren't lent to him by someone who was already taking them. These were purchased right from a vendor and who knows how many other people they killed. He either knew the lethal potency ahead of time and was a real asshole by trying to kill himself in front of Judith OR he found out their lethal potential after Moline. Either way, it cannot be stated in good faith that Prince died not knowing the Bayer bottle pills were lethal.

Agreed. My opinion... he knew that those particular pills were ‘potentially’ lethal after Moline. He knew they were stronger than the legit pills, he had to also know that those same pills, whether taken individually or with another pill, resulted in near death. Stronger and almost killed him. Noted. Lets assume it’s not P. If a reasonable person had a near death experience after taking perhaps 1 or 2 pills that they knew they didn’t obtain on the up and up (they refuse to name their source when challenged at hospital), what reasons would said reasonable person have for taking more of those pills when other legitimate pills are available? Stronger but almost killed them. Either the Moline OD was caused by the bad pills alone or due to the bad pills being mixed with legit pills, we don’t know ... so why would a reasonable person, after said near death experience, take ANY of the bad pills or take them after the legit pills, thereby mixing them, while alone this time? Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. But maybe reasonable person is not expecting a different result... it’s a possibility. And wouldn’t reasonable person want someone around in the house if they absolutely felt that they needed the bad pills to function? If I’m reasonable person and the bad pills are the only thing that allows me to move my fingers and I am doing a show in an hour, then there might be some urgency and I might take that risk. But if I’m just chilling at home, would I risk ODing alone? If I had taken Oxy that afternoon, I’d be watching the clock to make sure those required 8 hours had passed before taking any pills from the bad bottle because I would have known the pills in the bad bottle were different/stronger/potentially something else since they worked SO much better. I feel like he was in control of how this happened. Regardless, we may never know the reason, underlying causes, or anything about the why behind the actions. There may never be an answer.

Well-stated

casi1 said:

PennyPurple said:

One pill that isn't mixed properly, can kill. 1 (one) Uno.

PeggyO said

There can be a very high dose of Fentanyl in 1-2 pills.

Ok, the one pill theory.

Is that like the single bullet theory?

Ok, let’s explore the single pill theory:

Levels of Fentanyl in Prince’s body at death.

Blood: 67.8

Liver: 435

Stomach: 14,000

Total: 14,502.8 mcg/per pill of Fentanyl

Is it possible that one of Prince’s pills contained this extreme amount of Fentanyl in one pill? Yes

Is it probable? I don’t think so.

First, these were street pills disguised as legitimate pills.

The street manufacturer only cares about one thing: $$$

Do you think a street vendor is going to put that much Fentanyl in one pill, even by accident? Somehow, I don’t think so. To me this seems almost like an entire supply or an almost entire supply of Fentanyl worth thousands. A street manufacture is going to put as little Fentanyl in one pill he can get away with and sell at an exurbanite price. Lidocaine is used to cut Fentanyl. Even in Prince’s stash, they found a pill that was all lidocaine. So, he got gypped on that pill.

If Prince did have such a magic pill, to me, he would have had to place a special order requesting such and pay the fee. If that is the case, that goes with the suicide ‘fan faction’ theory.

The police file did say that one pill in the Aleve bottle was tested and it contained all lidocaine. However, the police file also reports that only one pill from each container was tested. So that does not mean all the pills in that bottle were totally lidocaine.

The police file just established that the tested pills contained Fentanyl and lidocaine but not how much in each tablet.

There is a note in the file that the pills were sent to the DEA lab to determine that amount of Fentanyl in each tablet. However, the report does not contain any information on the results of such testing.

Significant amount of information was redacted from both the Carver County file and the DEA file. I assume the result of such testing was withheld because the DEA investigation of the source of Fentanyl is still open. So, the file can’t help us on this issue.

The only thing we can get from the file is that “there was no doubt” that the Fentanyl was taken by mouth in “pill form”.

So, I have tried to find other sources to help make an educated guess about how many pills Prince probably took. I found this article about seized Fentanyl. This are blue pills and unlike the Prince pills. But it is the only article that I could find that talked about the amount of Fentanyl found in street pills. The most important paragraphs being:

The tablets in most cases are manufactured in primitive conditions with pill presses purchased online and the amount of fentanyl in each pill can vary widely, Wildblood said.

The amount of fentanyl in counterfeit pills can vary from 0.03 to 1.99 milligrams per tablet, or almost none to a lethal dose, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

"There is no quality control," Wildblood said.

https://www.usnews.com/ne...izona-hard

Again, this article is using milligrams and not mcg. I assume that is error. However, for argument sake, let’s assume this amount is true in the case of Prince pills.

Let’s start with the pill of highest amount, 1.99 milligrams would be 2000mcg. Assuming all Prince pills had the maximum amount in each pill noted in this article. And assuming that Fentanyl that was 100% absorbed by Prince’s body and did not lose anything in the absorption process. You can estimate that Prince took at least 7.5 pills.

(Note: most drugs do not absorb 100% through the digestive tract. It’s called bioavailability. It was hard for me to find any information on bioavailability of the type of Fentanyl Prince took – in pills – as this is not how Fentanyl is administered in legitimate use, which is usually transdermal or IV. The best estimate I had was 50%. So, if you take and oral pill of 1000mcg only half will be absorbed into the blood. But we will ignore this fact for our purposes here.)

If you cut the amount of Fentanyl in each pill in half to 1000 mcg, then we are talking 15 pills. If there was variation in the amount of Fentanyl in each pill and factor in that some pills contained lidocaine only, then my low estimate of 25 pills is not out of the probable realm of possibility. Neither is my high estimate of 50.

However, there is some data in the DEA file that gives us some information. The DEA file contains the Moline, IL hospital records. In the hospital records Prince’s doctor made note of the Bayer bottle that Prince showed the doctor. One pill was taken from this bottle and sent to the lab for testing. However, the lab did no testing but instead relied entirely on the stamp and told the doctor it was Hydrocodone or Norco/Vicodin. The doctor describes this Bayer bottle her notes as ‘nearly entirely full’. This is very imprecise language but from that I am taking that (1) Prince did not take the April 15 Fentanyl from this bottle he probably took the Fentanyl from one of the CVS vitamin C bottles (2) this bottle was full when he left the hospital.

I went out and purchased the Bayer and Aleve to get the bottles for experimentation. The Aleve is really expensive – Wow. I first purchased the 25 pill bottle of Aleve but when I got home and looked at pictures in the files I realized it was the 50 pill bottle that Prince had so I went and purchased the 50 pill bottle. Only to discover it is the same container only with a different label. The size of the container did not change. The Bayer was the 100 pill enteric coated.

I focus on these two bottles as they were the bottles that were out in the open on the nightstand by his bed. I am making the assumption, that the Fentanyl pills from these bottles are the source of the Fentanyl that Prince took on April 21. The other bottles were stashed in his bag and not easily accessible. I believe Prince took the pills from these bottles standing next to the bed. The reason for this conclusion is the pill found in the bed sheets. If he was filling his hand with pills one could have easily fallen out of his hand into the sheet. I do this all the time even with one or two asprin or vitamin pills.

I had some of my mother’s left over Narco and Percocet, after she died, for size comparison to Bayer and Aleve pills. The narcotic pills are slightly thicker than the Bayer and slightly longer than the Aleve. So, I have made some adjustments to possible total number of Fentanyl pills that would fill each bottle.

This is the how I estimate that Prince took 25-50 pills.

Bayer 100 tablet bottle

100 - 64.5 = 35.5 – 1 (pharmacy) = 34.5 (Nearly and size adjustment) – 10 = 24.5 pills

Aleve 50 tablet bottle

50 - 20.5 = 29.5 (size adjustment) – 5 = 24.5 pills

Therefore, I estimate Prince took 25-50 pills in total. This is a crude estimate based on assumptions. However, I find it more plausible than the one pill theory.

Police picture of Prince’s nightstand with containers taken on April 21, 2016.

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This picture shows the two bottles on Prince’s bedroom nightstand with an almost empty large water bottle next to the bottles.

This is what I think happened after Prince returned from Dr. S. office on the night of April 20. He went to his office and set up the ‘suicide note’ and did some things on the computer maybe played his piano one last time. Sometime after midnight he went to his room opening these bottles and filled his hands with as many as possible and one went flying into the bedsheets.

He downed them all fairly quickly with the water.

He walked around the corner to the elevator and laid down.

He was found the next morning.

I think he had a pill(s) with high doses of Fentanyl made for this possibility.

There is no way he was haphazard about his pills. He was a long-time user, way before his hip surgery.

Mani talked about it. Mayte alluded to it.

PeggyO said:

Sharonash said:

LoveGalore said:

Sharonash said:

He took the laced pills because he felt flu like symptoms from the withdrawal. The oxy didnt help. He needed stronger pills. He didnt know how dangerous these pills are. Who the hell gave him them??? My opinion ..

Something about that doesnt make sense to me. The flu like symptoms don't stop you from feeling the effects of opiates and he was already on opiates that day (21st) as it was in his piss. He did know those pills were bad news because he literally overdosed and almost died on them. So you're telling me that the doctor sits and advises him for 7 hours the night he almost died, tells him the mixing of pills could've been the culprit, he says he only took two (three?) pills but goes unconscious mere minutes after ingesting the Bayer bottle pills, and he goes right back to taking them while he is alone? Look, Prince was a smart guy. I don't know how much I buy the idea that he was somehow incredibly ignorant about these pills that way. We do not know why he bothered buying street drugs when he could've gotten pills prescribed a thousand times in someone else's name. And given how potent the pills were, you can be sure they weren't lent to him by someone who was already taking them. These were purchased right from a vendor and who knows how many other people they killed. He either knew the lethal potency ahead of time and was a real asshole by trying to kill himself in front of Judith OR he found out their lethal potential after Moline. Either way, it cannot be stated in good faith that Prince died not knowing the Bayer bottle pills were lethal.

After the govt rescheduled and started cracking down on these pills, they were becoming harder and harder to get by legal means. Even for people with vast resources.

Sharonash said:

[Snip - luv4u]

herb4 said:

After the govt rescheduled and started cracking down on these pills, they were becoming harder and harder to get by legal means. Even for people with vast resources.

Exactly. Even people who were being managed for chronic pain by pain clinics were cut off.

PennyPurple said:

DirtyCache said:

"People that take opiods look a certain way"

Uh...
What?

DirtyCache said:

"People that take opiods look a certain way"

Uh...
What?

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"I think..."

"I believe strongly..."

"Most posibly..."

"I heard that..."

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He's dead.

Long Live the Prince.

We can't change a thing about that.

He loved mysteries, and surely gave us one hell of a big mystery.

Whatever happened, it doesn't change a thing how I feel about him or anyone else around him.

Everyone needs to deal with his own peace.

At the end, there will always be music...

hundreds of thousands of hours of music.

I'm spoiled, we all are spoiled.

What on earth could be better ?!

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[Edited 12/30/19 9:54am]

LoveGalore said:

Bro, you're gonna have to work on being concise. These long ass tomes with wonky formatting are not the tea.

You have a point. But when I was concise it was deemed 'fan fiction' so I give a little more. LOL!

As far as the formatting, you are very right. When I set up the post it is all formated for easy reading. However when I post it all gets bunched together. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Maybe someone can advise. I'm relatively new around here.

Vannormal said:

Roby78 said:

authorbest said:

It's not Mayte. Even she recognizes it's not about her. She said it's about all women, which is code for Vanity because we don't want to mention her name.

'Erotic City was how he first got Sheila E. in the studio'

So? That doesn't mean it's not about Vanity? In fact it is about Vanity. Read the lyrics.

Vanity had just left him. He's talking about wanting to make the girl his wife

Wishing she was his dame. Well at least we can still....you know what

So is The Glamorous Life about Vanity, that is.

"Your posts are fixated on Vanity and Judith Hill in a way that has nothing to do with Prince tha'ts verifiable."

It is verifiable - Judith's video is only one example of the verifiability.

The music is another.

There are more.

Your missing the point. It was Prince who was 'fixated on' (I call it still loved) Vanity.

Your not listening to the lyrics.

If you understand that almost all Prince music is about Vanity, then you will understand his death.

She even appears in Judith's video. That is the point.

So, in your world, forget what Prince was telling you loud and clear and repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly

But instead be fixed on rabbit holes.

Prince ended his life to spend 'eternity' with Vanity. See '4Ever' from Lotus Flower.

He left you Judith.

That is what he was trying to tell you by his actions and his 'suicide note'.

Until you understand this you will never understand his death.

Maybe it has to be repeated, repeated, repeated until it sinks in.

But I'm not holding my breath.

I would not be rude but each of us is done differently and that is why we have different ideas, if it were not so this post would not exist.You can't expect everyone to think like you, nor can you force anyone to do it.

For example, I don't think all the songs he made are about Denise. I think 50% of her songs are about God, 45% of the various experiences she had or wanted to have, the remaining 5% of her mother and the complicated relationship she had with her and how she wanted it to be .

If you allow me I would like to ask you a question, have you read Prince-The Beautiful Ones' book? If you haven't done it yet, I suggest you do it.

Forgive me for spelling mistakes but I'm not American / English.

I'm American and make spelling mistakes all the time, so no problem there. LOL! However, it is hard to understand what you are saying. I think you are using her and she when I think you mean he and him. Tell me if I am wrong.

Yes, I have read The Beatiful One's and

Mayte: The Most Beatiful: My Life With Prince

Kim Berry: Diamonds and Curlz

Shelia E: The Beat Of My Own Drum

Jay Corn: The Death Of Prince Roger's Nelson

Duane Tudahl: Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions

Alan Light: Let's Go Crazy

Toure: I Would Die 4 U: Why Prince Became and Icon

Joseph Vogel: This Thing Called Life

Matt Thorne: Prince: The Man and His Music

Prince: The Last Interview and Other Conversations

The Caver County police files

The DEA files

I have not read

Denise Matthews Book: Blame It On Vanity - It was 2k so I found other ways to find out about her and that is how I know what I know. I went to interviews, music, videos and film and anthing I could get my hands on.

Morris Day's Book. I haven't read it because I don't thing it going to shed light on anything for me. Has anybody read it? Does he talk about Vanity in it?

LoveGalore said:

It doesn't add up. Add to this the statement about waiting for prayers and it gets more grim. Add to this the stuff he told Judith and... Listen, if it were any one else but someone who millions of people Revere and admire and need around for inspiration, we'd not be discussing it so much. It's clear. And not to give too much credence to the Vanity thing, I will say the imagery and lyrical content of the Back In Time song and video juxtaposed with this scenario makes a really poignant statement.

And I haven't even talked about the bombshells because I can't or this thread will be deleted. But the bombshells are 50% of the story.

More of the suicide note:

Vanity spent a year in Japan modeling before she met Prince. The cultural experience had great impact on her. So Prince associates things Japanese with Vanity.

Judith Hill is half Japanese.

Research the Lotus Flower in Japanese culture and religious belief.

The booming of the flower symbolizes enlightenment/rebirth.

The last thing Prince tweet about before Moline was Boom from Lotus Flower.

Boom is the blooming of the flower.

Also read the lyrics for 4Ever from Lotus Flower.

Prince tweets at 8:33am "I am transformed" on April 15, 2016.

I know people around here believe that was a retweet. I don't but anyway tweet or retweet it is Prince's tweet. He sends it for a reason.

The Moline Hosptial report states Prince was at the hospital from 1:56am until 9:34am on the 15th.

Judith Hill's statement says Prince used his laptop when away from home.

The laptop was collected as evidence.

The report says the laptop was not used in the am on the 15th from 12:43am until 10:34am.

So how did Prince send this 'I am transformed' tweet at 8:33am.

He set up in advance, thinking he would be dead, and the world would get his postumous tweet.

Again what we keep missing is the fact and I rarely hear it, PRINCE had a problem, an addiction. We can come up with these monday morning quarterback scenarios of conspiracy to murder, but it really comes down to a person (Prince in this case) having a circle of people he controlled that would do things for him, help him even if it meant it was hurting him in the long run. We tend to think of PRINCE as being above and greater and smarter than addiction. Well news to all, ADDICTION will come find the smartest and the dumbest. And also I do look at Prince's age more than ever now, as he was getting older, you are losing the feeling it had to you, but what is his outlet? He was a musician and that was his gig, its like an athelete looking at his age and wondering now what do I do when I cant compete on that level, I cant tour, I cant get on stage without some kind of pain. It depresses you, and Prince showed multiple signs of this. I dont for a minute rule anything out, you could tell me tomorrow that Prince took his own life and I would not be shocked, because I look at how he was talking to some people, how stripped down everything was at the end, how bare bones the circle around him was. The time was up, and he may have wanted to try to kick it himself, because of his Privacy, but something was going to get out. I think we can debate and have scenarios all day long, but prince had a problem, and it may have started long ago, and grew as his body broke down, and as pain set in. Lets not forget that these things he was taking almost stopped having effect on him in his mind, that is what addiction does, especially pain medication. One is enough then you need more then you need another then you want stronger medication and soon, you are taking anything you can get.