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Ok the pills had widely inconsistent amounts, some had none.
Yet, at death the amounts of Fentanyl in his body were 67.8 mcg in his blood, 435mcg in his liver and 14,000mcg in his stomach. So he took quite a lot of pills to have such an amount in his body given that some had none and the amounts were widely inconsistent. In a previous post I estimate that it was between 25-50 pills in a very short period of time a week after overdosing and after 6 days of no overdose. That is no accident. That is intent.
And he also made a statement that he thought what he was feeling in the hospital in Moline was after effects of Narcan, not an OD.
I have read the police files numerous times and have never come accross such a statement. Can you advise where you got this information. I would like to know.
I do not believe he would have intentionally ODd in front of Judith, either.
You wouldn't think that he wouldn't, but that is what he seems to have done. He put her through a lot and she needs lots of love from Prince fans.
[Edited 12/31/19 10:08am] There's no way to know how many pills he took but it's generally accepted that it wasn't a multitude since the levels were so different. This has been stated numerous times in this thread. There has been nothing released that states he took that many pills. The info is from the information in the police reports for Moline - iirc it was Judith who stated he told her this. And no I will continue to believe that he would not kill himself in front of someone he loved. That's just cruel. The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul | |
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Someone I know in EMS has treated one person FOUR times in a 24hr period with Narcan. Addicts (and I don't believe Prince was an addict, but he was dependent for pain control) know what will happen and still go back to it. [Edited 12/31/19 10:34am] Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end | |
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Thank you for sharing experience of EMS person you know! [Edited 12/31/19 12:42pm] | |
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[Edited 12/31/19 12:39pm] THIS Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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Morgaine said: LoveGalore said: I don't think he would purposely OD in front of Judith either. However, whatever his thoughts on the feelings in the hospital, he overdosed after using the pills in the bottle. If you were in his position, would you take those pills again? If you can accept he had an addiction to/was dependent on opiates, yes. It happens quite frequently. Chronic pain is horrible - it effects one's emotions, thoughts, basically everything. I can't imagine what it would be like to have to play music like he did & be unable to do so without pain. I don't believe he knew how strong the pills were - he blamed the Narcan for how he was feeling, not the pills. If he was an addict, taking the same pills for pain would be considered typical behavior - there are tons of stories of people who ODd & went right back to it. It may be true that people go right back to the same pills, but prince didn't actually reap the benefits of the pills to note whether they worked or not and he had tons of alternatives. Prince was unconscious within minutes of ingesting they Bayer bottle pills. Again, it would require a lot of ignorance for Prince to go back to those pills not knowing what was in them but knowing they nearly killed him especially when he had two or three other kinds of painkillers around. | |
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What would Prince think? He once wrote a song making fun of Elvis dying of a drug overdose "butt naked on the floor". Then he proceeds to die in an elevator with backwards clothes on. I think Prince would be embarrassed as shit if he had to answer for what happened to him, but only if it meant he'd be returned to his body somehow. If there is an afterlife and Prince is there, I don't think Prince gives one tiny bird shit about what people on Earth do because he reached the place he was dreaming of since he was a child. The ego and pride attached to terrestrial concerns is only a matter for the living. | |
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It kills me when people argue about the logic of it all. Addiction or dependency, whatever word one chooses to use, it's all the exact same chemical reaction to the body, overrides logic every time, it all comes down to that primary need. I'm still surprised no one outside the fanbase has officially specified what pain he was daaling with. Okay there's his interview that mentions his hip. That's it. Anything others have said they seem to have back peddled on. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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onlyforaminute said: It kills me when people argue about the logic of it all. Addiction or dependency, whatever word one chooses to use, it's all the exact same chemical reaction to the body, overrides logic every time, it all comes down to that primary need. I'm still surprised no one outside the fanbase has officially specified what pain he was daaling with. Okay there's his interview that mentions his hip. That's it. Anything others have said they seem to have back peddled on. Judith Hill didn't backpedal on hands. | |
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LoveGalore said: Morgaine said: If you can accept he had an addiction to/was dependent on opiates, yes. It happens quite frequently. Chronic pain is horrible - it effects one's emotions, thoughts, basically everything. I can't imagine what it would be like to have to play music like he did & be unable to do so without pain. I don't believe he knew how strong the pills were - he blamed the Narcan for how he was feeling, not the pills. If he was an addict, taking the same pills for pain would be considered typical behavior - there are tons of stories of people who ODd & went right back to it. It may be true that people go right back to the same pills, but prince didn't actually reap the benefits of the pills to note whether they worked or not and he had tons of alternatives. Prince was unconscious within minutes of ingesting they Bayer bottle pills. Again, it would require a lot of ignorance for Prince to go back to those pills not knowing what was in them but knowing they nearly killed him especially when he had two or three other kinds of painkillers around. No one knows which bottle/bottles he took the last pill(s) from. You cannot prove he took more from the Bayer bottle anymore than I can prove he didn't. There's also no way to prove exactly how much, if any, fentanyl was in each pill - we only have an off the record statement. It said only specific amount of pills were tested from each bottle and they all had different amounts of different medications. [Edited 12/31/19 18:55pm] The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul | |
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LoveGalore said: onlyforaminute said: It kills me when people argue about the logic of it all. Addiction or dependency, whatever word one chooses to use, it's all the exact same chemical reaction to the body, overrides logic every time, it all comes down to that primary need. I'm still surprised no one outside the fanbase has officially specified what pain he was daaling with. Okay there's his interview that mentions his hip. That's it. Anything others have said they seem to have back peddled on. Judith Hill didn't backpedal on hands. Ok I'm not picking at her, she's taken enough heat. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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Morgaine said: LoveGalore said: It may be true that people go right back to the same pills, but prince didn't actually reap the benefits of the pills to note whether they worked or not and he had tons of alternatives. Prince was unconscious within minutes of ingesting they Bayer bottle pills. Again, it would require a lot of ignorance for Prince to go back to those pills not knowing what was in them but knowing they nearly killed him especially when he had two or three other kinds of painkillers around. No one knows which bottle/bottles he took the last pill(s) from. You cannot prove he took more from the Bayer bottle anymore than I can prove he didn't. There's also no way to prove exactly how much, if any, fentanyl was in each pill - we only have an off the record statement. It said only specific amount of pills were tested from each bottle and they all had different amounts of different medications. [Edited 12/31/19 18:55pm] The Bayer bottle is where the fentanyl pills come from, sis. Of course we know he took more LOL. | |
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Pictures from great moments can be posted saying “this isn’t the face of suicide”. But what about pictures of him in pain/fearing for his secret to get out/fear of detox and going thru rehab/feeling the depression JH spoke about/etc etc. we don’t see those pictures although there’s plenty showing him worn out and gaunt. I think that he was overwhelmed by it all, knew he had strong pills and decided peace would be better than pain. Especially since it sounded like he felt his job on earth was done. I don’t think it was some long, drawn out decision. If it was suicide, I think it was a fairly quick decision made because of all the issues listed above. That’s a tough road under good circumstances, let alone when you are in withdrawal or whatever was going on physically when he told Kirk the pills weren’t working. But that’s just my opinion. | |
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If he'd been taking those pills in whatever, the bayer bottle, for a day or 2 with no ill affects until the Moline incident, why would he suspectthe any of pills would kill him? And we have no way of knowing if he took a pill, 2 or a half one from that same bottle after the Moline incident. We only assume he didn't. It's been said a trillion times if it was said once, all the pills had varying degrees of fentanyl and a host of other meds. Seems that if he took pills from that exct same bottle that didn't have lethal doses of fentanyl but a tiny amount some days he probably was noticing he wasn't feeling as much pain versus the pills that had the weaker hydrocodone in them that Kirk got him. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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onlyforaminute said: If he'd been taking those pills in whatever, the bayer bottle, for a day or 2 with no ill affects until the Moline incident, why would he suspectthe any of pills would kill him? And we have no way of knowing if he took a pill, 2 or a half one from that same bottle after the Moline incident. We only assume he didn't. It's been said a trillion times if it was said once, all the pills had varying degrees of fentanyl and a host of other meds. Seems that if he took pills from that exct same bottle that didn't have lethal doses of fentanyl but a tiny amount some days he probably was noticing he wasn't feeling as much pain versus the pills that had the weaker hydrocodone in them that Kirk got him. Well we could paint whatever story we want on ifs and maybes, I guess. But there is no evidence from which to base the idea that he was taking them beforehand. | |
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LoveGalore said: onlyforaminute said: If he'd been taking those pills in whatever, the bayer bottle, for a day or 2 with no ill affects until the Moline incident, why would he suspectthe any of pills would kill him? And we have no way of knowing if he took a pill, 2 or a half one from that same bottle after the Moline incident. We only assume he didn't. It's been said a trillion times if it was said once, all the pills had varying degrees of fentanyl and a host of other meds. Seems that if he took pills from that exct same bottle that didn't have lethal doses of fentanyl but a tiny amount some days he probably was noticing he wasn't feeling as much pain versus the pills that had the weaker hydrocodone in them that Kirk got him. Well we could paint whatever story we want on ifs and maybes, I guess. But there is no evidence from which to base the idea that he was taking them beforehand. Yep with absolutely no facts on how many times he used the pills out of that same bottle people can make up whatever scenerio they want. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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onlyforaminute said: LoveGalore said: Well we could paint whatever story we want on ifs and maybes, I guess. But there is no evidence from which to base the idea that he was taking them beforehand. Yep with absolutely no facts on how many times he used the pills out of that same bottle people can make up whatever scenerio they want. .... Right, so for the purposes of this thread, we have some info to base the discussion on and that is that he took pills from the bottle twice and OD'd both times. I'm not sure what your point is except to suggest that it was some miraculous coincidence. | |
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authorbest prince didnt commit suicide. But please let us know more about prince and denise. I do agree that prince and her had true love story
When prince was given Narcan two doses it earesed every opioids effect on his body and caused him withdrawal symptoms which was hell. In this situation he must have felt he needed more and more opioids to stop the withdrawal symptoms. That's why he overdosed. Thats what i think.. [Edited 1/1/20 2:01am] [Edited 1/1/20 2:03am] | |
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I think there is no evidence to suggest that Prince knew he was taking Fentanyl, He thought was just taking his usual pain meds. Even though there was a large amount of Fentanyl in his body, there is no suggestion from the ME report that he took a large quantity of pills the night he died.We do not know, and will likely never know, where these bootleg pills came from.If I were an investigator, I would want to narrow down an answer to that question. The explanation could be banal, perhaps he asked one of his employees or entourage to obtain some for him, and they chanced upon fake pills rather than real pills. He may have even ordered them himself on the internet. I would find it easier to come to terms with his passing If I could get answers to this question. I have come to accept that his death was likely accidental, but it troubles me that so much still remains unknown
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andrewm7 said: I think there is no evidence to suggest that Prince knew he was taking Fentanyl, He thought was just taking his usual pain meds. Even though there was a large amount of Fentanyl in his body, there is no suggestion from the ME report that he took a large quantity of pills the night he died.We do not know, and will likely never know, where these bootleg pills came from.If I were an investigator, I would want to narrow down an answer to that question. The explanation could be banal, perhaps he asked one of his employees or entourage to obtain some for him, and they chanced upon fake pills rather than real pills. He may have even ordered them himself on the internet. I would find it easier to come to terms with his passing If I could get answers to this question. I have come to accept that his death was likely accidental, but it troubles me that so much still remains unknown
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LoveGalore said: onlyforaminute said: Yep with absolutely no facts on how many times he used the pills out of that same bottle people can make up whatever scenerio they want. .... Right, so for the purposes of this thread, we have some info to base the discussion on and that is that he took pills from the bottle twice and OD'd both times. I'm not sure what your point is except to suggest that it was some miraculous coincidence. Stating an opinion. Are you telling me I don't have a right to? If there are facts that prove it's impossible that some of the pills in that exact same bottle didn't have lethal doses of fentanyl and it's completely impossible he took a few of those feel free to provide those facts. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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No I don't think that at all. What you posted is not gossip or speculation it's human compassion. Paisley Park is in your heart
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That is not for this thread. | |
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onlyforaminute said: LoveGalore said: .... Right, so for the purposes of this thread, we have some info to base the discussion on and that is that he took pills from the bottle twice and OD'd both times. I'm not sure what your point is except to suggest that it was some miraculous coincidence. Stating an opinion. Are you telling me I don't have a right to? If there are facts that prove it's impossible that some of the pills in that exact same bottle didn't have lethal doses of fentanyl and it's completely impossible he took a few of those feel free to provide those facts. Do you think that's what I'm telling you? | |
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Thank you for that.
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Props to Kirk for keeping P's secrets. That's a good friend right there. | |
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