PeggyO said:

There are obvious 'factions' here who will continue to believe what they do.

This has become rather silly.

At this point, many here and elsewhere have already decided what they want to believe, even disregarding what may be right in front of them, and it won't matter who may tell them differently, they will continue to believe what they want. Many people want and/or need to keep their illusions intact.

Don't worry, the detractors will be along soon.

[Edited 12/24/19 8:58am]

Mumio said:

PeggyO said:

There are obvious 'factions' here who will continue to believe what they do.

This has become rather silly.

At this point, many here and elsewhere have already decided what they want to believe, even disregarding what may be right in front of them, and it won't matter who may tell them differently, they will continue to believe what they want. Many people want and/or need to keep their illusions intact.

Don't worry, the detractors will be along soon.

[Edited 12/24/19 8:58am]

Yes. I'm so tired of keeping the medical part of it as accurate as I can. It is exhausting.

My intent for this entire endeavor was to try to see the man for who he was; I consider this the highest compliment. My attempts have been blocked repeatedly by people who need to keep Prince in a little box so they are not threatened.

Yes, I expect the detractors any moment.

Phase3 said:

I have to add,that if I had just overdosed and was brought back,I wouldn't dare take the same pill a few days later.Maybe Prince was suicidal or maybe he thought he just take a small dose then he would be alright but damn that was risky

Or maybe he simply got them mixed up

If he was stashing pills in vitamin and alleive bottles along with getting them from the street, it would have been easy to lose track.

appleseed said:

Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself either.

...Same thing that happened to John Lennon, Fred Hampton, Malcolm X, MLKjr, ... “CIA'd.”

All that Revolution-ary, peace, love, anti-war, anti-govt, freedom, unity, truth stuff simply cannot be tolerated.

Or Clinton-ized for crafting: pro-Trump “Donald Trump / Black Version”.

“TheTruth [album] is treason in an empire of lies.”

— George Orwell

[Edited 12/23/19 16:45pm]

Bolded part is true. The rest it crazy town.

Mumio said:

PeggyO said:

There are obvious 'factions' here who will continue to believe what they do.

This has become rather silly.

At this point, many here and elsewhere have already decided what they want to believe, even disregarding what may be right in front of them, and it won't matter who may tell them differently, they will continue to believe what they want. Many people want and/or need to keep their illusions intact.

Don't worry, the detractors will be along soon.

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So "people have formed opinions after almost 4 years based on the available evidence" then? Seems reasonable enough to me. Am I a "detractor"?

If there's something you want to enlighten anyone with, go ahead and post/cite it.

herb4 said:

Mumio said:

At this point, many here and elsewhere have already decided what they want to believe, even disregarding what may be right in front of them, and it won't matter who may tell them differently, they will continue to believe what they want. Many people want and/or need to keep their illusions intact.

Don't worry, the detractors will be along soon.

[Edited 12/24/19 8:58am]

So "people have formed opinions after almost 4 years based on the available evidence" then? Seems reasonable enough to me. Am I a "detractor"?

If there's something you want to enlighten anyone with, go ahead and post/cite it.

Actually Herb4, I'd mentioned to someone that your recent post on the 22nd as one of the best I'd seen in some time. So no, I would not say you are a detractor.

Happy holidays!

herb4 said:

darlingnikkkki said:

ladygirl99 said:

There was a blind item on blindgossip.com three days before Prince died— https://blindgossip.com/a...-has-aids/ I’m sure he’s aware of the blind item and knew it was about him and wanted to control the narrative that he was addicted to painkillers rather than be known as someone who died of AIDS given the stigma with it especially among African Americans. The silence from his camp on this subject is deafening. Would it have changed your view of Prince had he died from AIDS complications rather than drug OD and would it have affected his legacy?

Heck no. As a a matter of fact I would love him even more because I would feel sorry for him. This world is cruel toward Prince/our types and I am astonish he managed to make himself successful and lasted for over a half century. He was very strong and he fought to the end but the Universe wants him more and I felt he would rather be there than here on this Earth imo because he likely found peace within as much we all prefer he remains here on the physical level. All of us wants him here but its not our call.

As a black bisexual woman myself who also is an atheist and progressive yeah unfortunutely the black culture is very conservative aligns with white conservative so yeah I noticed Prince's online black fans refused to even talk about AIDS/ HIV possibly.

Plus the mods wants us to stick with files and documents that are publicly available so I respect that and I think Judith's statement makes sense and I will defend her if I have to I think she was just walk into some mess and told her truth and I hate how some people condemn her for it.

Unless the authorities release Tyka and Kirk's full statements and how much pills Prince might had consume and are the edited info court documents linked to his health, then I won't buy the accidental drug theory. If you want me to buy a theory your theory won't be believable if you edited possibly key info.

Also that blindgossip I talked to the person who runs it and he WILL not print any bullshit tea unless there are solid evidence so in other words I believed someone from Prince's camp (either family or associate or someone who connected to the industry leaked that tea to him) gave him that information not some stan with no connections.

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PeggyO said:

ladygirl99 said:

darlingnikkkki said:

ladygirl99 said: There was a blind item on blindgossip.com three days before Prince died— https://blindgossip.com/a...-has-aids/ I’m sure he’s aware of the blind item and knew it was about him and wanted to control the narrative that he was addicted to painkillers rather than be known as someone who died of AIDS given the stigma with it especially among African Americans. The silence from his camp on this subject is deafening. Would it have changed your view of Prince had he died from AIDS complications rather than drug OD and would it have affected his legacy?

Heck no. As a a matter of fact I would love him even more because I would feel sorry for him. This world is cruel toward Prince/our types and I am astonish he managed to make himself successful and lasted for over a half century. He was very strong and he fought to the end but the Universe wants him more and I felt he would rather be there than here on this Earth imo because he likely found peace within as much we all prefer he remains here on the physical level. All of us wants him here but its not our call.

As a black bisexual woman myself who also is an atheist and progressive yeah unfortunutely the black culture is very conservative aligns with white conservative so yeah I noticed Prince's online black fans refused to even talk about AIDS/ HIV possibly.

Plus the mods wants us to stick with files and documents that are publicly available so I respect that and I think Judith's statement makes sense and I will defend her if I have to I think she was just walk into some mess and told her truth and I hate how some people condemn her for it.

Unless the authorities release Tyka and Kirk's full statements and how much pills Prince might had consume and are the edited info court documents linked to his health, then I won't buy the accidental drug theory. If you want me to buy a theory your theory won't be believable if you edited possibly key info.

Also that blindgossip I talked to the person who runs it and he WILL not print any bullshit tea unless there are solid evidence so in other words I believed someone from Prince's camp (either family or associate or someone who connected to the industry leaked that tea to him) gave him that information not some stan with no connections.

[Edited 12/24/19 11:56am]

As someone who loves my queer family members and loves my family members who've had medical issues with substance use, I've got a few observations related to this part of the discussion.

Stigma is cruel, and it kills.

Queerness is highly stigmatized.

Highly stigmatized medical conditions include AIDS, psychiatric conditions, chronic pain, and substance use conditions.

The cowardly, vile slurs that some use to reference these things are just one demonstration of the extent of the stigma.

[Edited 12/24/19 14:09pm]

STOP believing what you’re told in the WhosePapers and Skaggazines and on the Hellavision hook line and sinker. Parroting what you’re told isn't a sign of intelligence, it's a symptom of being brainwashed and conditioned to turn off your g*dgiven critical thinking skills.

In the age of #EpsteinDidntKillHimself, one would have to be a total IMBECILE to believe unquestionably anything any representative of our United States government issues as an OFFICIAL pronoucement.

For years afterward, LIES swirled around from faceless, nameless individuals about the demise of peace and civil rights activists like John Lennon, Fred Hampton, Malcolm X, MLKjr, JFK, RFK, Fred Hampton and others.

Prince’s demise is no diff.

Thousands of mens (and likely women) are behind bars for things they never did and non violent crimes that didn't harm any other human.

[Edited 12/24/19 16:30pm]

rednblue said:

ladygirl99 said:

Heck no. As a a matter of fact I would love him even more because I would feel sorry for him. This world is cruel toward Prince/our types and I am astonish he managed to make himself successful and lasted for over a half century. He was very strong and he fought to the end but the Universe wants him more and I felt he would rather be there than here on this Earth imo because he likely found peace within as much we all prefer he remains here on the physical level. All of us wants him here but its not our call.

As a black bisexual woman myself who also is an atheist and progressive yeah unfortunutely the black culture is very conservative aligns with white conservative so yeah I noticed Prince's online black fans refused to even talk about AIDS/ HIV possibly.

Plus the mods wants us to stick with files and documents that are publicly available so I respect that and I think Judith's statement makes sense and I will defend her if I have to I think she was just walk into some mess and told her truth and I hate how some people condemn her for it.

Unless the authorities release Tyka and Kirk's full statements and how much pills Prince might had consume and are the edited info court documents linked to his health, then I won't buy the accidental drug theory. If you want me to buy a theory your theory won't be believable if you edited possibly key info.

Also that blindgossip I talked to the person who runs it and he WILL not print any bullshit tea unless there are solid evidence so in other words I believed someone from Prince's camp (either family or associate or someone who connected to the industry leaked that tea to him) gave him that information not some stan with no connections.

[Edited 12/24/19 11:56am]

As someone who loves my queer family members and loves my family members who've had medical issues with substance use, I've got a few observations related to this part of the discussion.

Stigma is cruel, and it kills.

Queerness is highly stigmatized.

Highly stigmatized medical conditions include AIDS, psychiatric conditions, chronic pain, and substance use conditions.

The cowardly, vile slurs that some use to reference these things are just one demonstration of the extent of the stigma.

[Edited 12/24/19 14:09pm]

Thanks for the above.

Stigma is alive and well among many orgers/ who have judgements about any of the following:

-poss. HIV+status

-poss. suicide

-poss. knowingly purchasing Fentanyl-laced drugs.

There is a collective gasp and freak-out if any of the above are mentioned.

I feel there is a possibility that at least 2 or 3 of the above are true.

PeggyO said:

Thanks for the above.

Stigma is alive and well among many orgers/ who have judgements about any of the following:

-poss. HIV+status

-poss. suicide

-poss. knowingly purchasing Fentanyl-laced drugs.

There is a collective gasp and freak-out if any of the above are mentioned.

I feel there is a possibility that at least 2 or 3 of the above are true.

I don't think you are wrong in your thoughts about this.

appleseed said:

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

He also logged onto a gossip site. I cant remember the name.


Also interesting to note that someone deleted his google account attached to one of his email accounts prior to his death, on April 9, 2016. This was an account that was logged into daily from January 23, 2016 up to April 9, 2016.

Didn't he see the Blind Items story too?

We can only assume he did because the date he logged onto the blind item site is the date they ran the story.

RJOrion said:

People need to reacquaint themselves with the different ways someone can get infected. Here is some reliable information to check out:

https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-b...ransmitted

another one who believes the governmint #epsteinsuicide malarkery and that mlk malcom fredhampton rfk jfk johnlennon hits were flukes

LoveGalore said:

RJOrion said:

most people at this site dont wanna hear/see that... most of them have too much in common with the entities that disseminate the false information and systematic lies

Or, people would like to rely on information that has at least a mote of truth to it. Blind items are not even remotely close to verified truth, but reports and lab results and first hand accounts are. Theorizing about things like suicide in this case are not far fetched - most poignantly due to Judith Hill's interview with police which gives crucial insight into Prince's demeanor just prior to death. As someone else said, if any old Joe was documented saying those things under these circumstances, suicide would not be a far reach. However, AIDS is a barreling slalom away from any actual, factual data sitting on the plate here. And saying his sexual history is some kind of indication of his likelihood of infection is (at best) fallacious and (at worst) slut shaming.

I've had to use pain pills at various times in my life because of blood clots. Anyone accidentally ever take too much? It makes you feel sick to your stomach, it makes you feel overheated, it makes it feel hard to breathe. So it's possible that he started feeling that way, took off his clothes to cool down, laid down on the bed, thinking it would pass, if he just laid down. When it didn't get better, he put back on his clothes, not caring how he was putting them on because of how lousy it makes you feel. You just want to cover up and find someone to help you through it. It could be he forgot that he sent everyone away and went looking for someone to take him to the hospital. Or it could even be that he was thinking if he could get downstairs, get down to the road he could flag someone down. Who knows what he was thinking at that moment.

But I will tell you that it is the worst feeling in the world when you've accidentally taken too much. I've only done that twice, because I was in so much pain, that I took one pill, waited for it to work and when it didn't, I'd take another pill, thinking enough time had passed because I wasn't watching a clock.

Now regarding the fentanyl. If he bought the pills illicitly, they do not mix them precisely. He could have been taking medicine from that bottle ever since the plane incident and not had any issues, because he was getting pills that didn't have much of anything in them. But then he happened to get ahold of the one or two pills that had a lot of fentanyl in them. That is the issue with buying pain pills illicitly, the way they are mixed is not precise. They are not mixed in a lab like regular prescribed medication. Those that are mixing them are not measuring out everything equally, or they are not mixing them precisely, and some pills may have no fentanyl in them when they are pressed, and others may have too much. It takes very little fentanyl to be fatal, and if they are not mixed precisely, it is easy to get a pill that has a fatal amount in it.

That very fact this thread exists attests to the lack of credibility the official stories have.

Given the lastest “science” around use/abuse/addiction/dependency and Prince having plenty to live for as reason to get off the junk, the official stories lack credibility. It also contradicts all of Prince’s pronoucements about trying to be as healthy as possible and mindful about his diet and living by example.

• https://www.cato.org/even...-addiction

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appleseed said:

That very fact this thread exists attests to the lack of credibility the official stories have.

Given the lastest “science” around use/abuse/addiction/dependency and Prince having plenty to live for as reason to get off the junk, the official stories lack credibility. It also contradicts all of Prince’s pronoucements about trying to be as healthy as possible and mindful about his diet and living by example.

• https://www.cato.org/even...-addiction

[Edited 12/25/19 15:26pm]

Similar to substance use conditions, many other medical conditions (e.g. heart disease, type 2 diabetes) have genetic and environmental components and involve behavior that can be conceptualized through a disordered learning (as featured in the Cato institute link you provided) model. Treatments are needed for all of these conditions, but treatments are far from perfect.

I believe that much thinking about medical conditions, especially chronic and/or stigmatized conditions, is too binary. Having such a condition dosen't preclude

"trying to be as healthy as possible and mindful about...diet and living by example."

Also, people who have plenty to live for can have painful challenges.

[Edited 12/25/19 19:16pm]

Three words:

#ClintonBodyCount

He died in 2016. The fact that he wrote and produced Donald Trump (Black Version) was enough for the Killary Hit Squad to slip poison into his medicine. Like the yet to be resolved Seth Rich murder. As the most popular (pre Kanye) AA artist, the mere suggestion that there was any AA support at all could not be tolerated.

http://www.princevault.co...k_Version)

appleseed said:

Thanks, PeggyO and Benni, for the personal and professional experience insights.

PeggyO said:

I do not know why Prince chose not to undergo hip replacement surgery for his other affected hip

but is as occurred to me that there may have been some issues with anesthesia. One needs to be forthcoming with the anesthesiologist about current alcohol/drug use so that anesthesia is adjusted accordingly.

It was noted in the files by one of his employees (I don't have time right now to look), that there may have been some issues with Prince after the surgery with some disorientation or something of that nature.

I have a client that I currently work with, who had hip replacement surgery for one hip, and is absolutely refusing to get the second one done. She had complications from the first surgery (not related to anesthesia) but it resulted in foot drop and there is a noticeable difference in the lengths of her legs. There are other complications associated with the surgery, including infection, dislocations, and I believe they used metal on metal a decade ago in some instances that had it's own complications. It was my understanding, though, that Prince didn't have hip replacement surgery. He could have had a partial replacement or even resurfacing done. If he had either of those done and it didn't correct the problem, he might have felt there was no sense in having the second surgery. Or if he did have a total hip replacement done, and a complication resulted, it may have caused him to not want to get the surgery done again. My client is insistent that she will absolutely not get it done again unless she absolutely has to and she is in constant pain right now.

I think what is difficult is we are trying to understand Prince's death/actions from a rational point of view. However, that isn't really possible.

Just look from the perspective of depression. It sounds like he was depressed during his final days based on JH's commentary. Depression is a state that most cannot understand unless they have been through it. Then add immense pain to the mix, the fact he couldn't perform like he used to, his music wasn't nearly as popular as it once was, he didn't seem to have solid relationships (I don't call enablers solid. People seemed to be more 'on call' for him than anything as well, like JH), his childhood was a mess, his child died, he was in the grips of addiction and the public would most likely soon know about it.... that would all be hard to deal with for anyone. Yes he had money and fame, but what did that really matter?

So we try to figure it out... We wonder why he didn't get a hip replacement as that seems like an easy solution for most. Well he had some reason whether it was a bad experience the first time around or he didn't want to be off his illicit drugs to go under anesthesia or something else we don't know about.

We wonder if he had a serious illness as well. I have wondered why he didn't seem to have romantic relationships his final years (that I know of. I don't know exactly where he and JH stood. She knew what side of the bed he slept on, but he also had her stay at the motel when she came to town.). So I wondered if the AIDS story could be real. Or maybe the drugs were just such a big part of his life that there was no room for romantic relationships. (I know we don't know what went on his bedroom, but his private life used to get so much press in that regard, and that just stopped.) Prince was only 57, it wasn't like he was elderly.

Yet, I realize that there is no way to get into Prince's head at that point in time, yet the questions around his death still arise for me. I try to understand what cannot be understood. His persona and talent were bigger than life, and it is hard to absorb that someone like Prince could die so young and in a way that I never could have imagined, whether it was truly an OD or suicide.

For whatever reason, I am drawn to this whole discussion though. Maybe it is because I have never believed the story that was put out there by the coroner's office and everyone else, so I try to figure it out. But I can't really talk about this with people in 'real life' as they don't know nearly as much as I do as they haven't read all the files. And they would probably think I am crazy to have spent so much time pondering it all. So I appreciate this community, and I am glad we can all talk about this.

I am sorry for all this rambling. Thank you for reading.

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iamafan said:

I think what is difficult is we are trying to understand Prince's death/actions from a rational point of view. However, that isn't really possible.

Just look from the perspective of depression. It sounds like he was depressed during his final days based on JH's commentary. Depression is a state that most cannot understand unless they have been through it. Then add immense pain to the mix, the fact he couldn't perform like he used to, his music wasn't nearly as popular as it once was, he didn't seem to have solid relationships (I don't call enablers solid. People seemed to be more 'on call' for him than anything as well, like JH), his childhood was a mess, his child died, he was in the grips of addiction and the public would most likely soon know about it.... that would all be hard to deal with for anyone. Yes he had money and fame, but what did that really matter?

So we try to figure it out... We wonder why he didn't get a hip replacement as that seems like an easy solution for most. Well he had some reason whether it was a bad experience the first time around or he didn't want to be off his illicit drugs to go under anesthesia or something else we don't know about.

We wonder if he had a serious illness as well. I have wondered why he didn't seem to have romantic relationships his final years (that I know of. I don't know exactly where he and JH stood. She knew what side of the bed he slept on, but he also had her stay at the motel when she came to town.). So I wondered if the AIDS story could be real. Or maybe the drugs were just such a big part of his life that there was no room for romantic relationships. (I know we don't know what went on his bedroom, but his private life used to get so much press in that regard, and that just stopped.) Prince was only 57, it wasn't like he was elderly.

Yet, I realize that there is no way to get into Prince's head at that point in time, yet the questions around his death still arise for me. I try to understand what cannot be understood. His persona and talent were bigger than life, and it is hard to absorb that someone like Prince could die so young and in a way that I never could have imagined, whether it was truly an OD or suicide.

For whatever reason, I am drawn to this whole discussion though. Maybe it is because I have never believed the story that was put out there by the coroner's office and everyone else, so I try to figure it out. But I can't really talk about this with people in 'real life' as they don't know nearly as much as I do as they haven't read all the files. And they would probably think I am crazy to have spent so much time pondering it all. So I appreciate this community, and I am glad we can all talk about this.

I am sorry for all this rambling. Thank you for reading.

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Most everything you said here is the reason why this discussion continues. This man made an impact that people can't easily put aside. People do not believe what has been put out there, too many conflicting pieces of information, too many things dropped or fumbled in the investigation itself along with info from the investigation that continues to be withheld, and a continued belief that od or not, there was something going on that he was self-treating with those meds and it wasn't a drug addiction. Too many holes throughout all of it, and for most, conspiracy theories just don't cut it. Sure, technicalities are such that if they found whoever made those pills they could be charged with a crime, but that is not gonna happen...they didn't even find anyone else who took the same formulation anywhere in the country so far as I know. So we will continue talking about it until it makes some sense and hopefully we'll find out what really went on.

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iamafan said:

I think what is difficult is we are trying to understand Prince's death/actions from a rational point of view. However, that isn't really possible.

Just look from the perspective of depression. It sounds like he was depressed during his final days based on JH's commentary. Depression is a state that most cannot understand unless they have been through it. Then add immense pain to the mix, the fact he couldn't perform like he used to, his music wasn't nearly as popular as it once was, he didn't seem to have solid relationships (I don't call enablers solid. People seemed to be more 'on call' for him than anything as well, like JH), his childhood was a mess, his child died, he was in the grips of addiction and the public would most likely soon know about it.... that would all be hard to deal with for anyone. Yes he had money and fame, but what did that really matter?

So we try to figure it out... We wonder why he didn't get a hip replacement as that seems like an easy solution for most. Well he had some reason whether it was a bad experience the first time around or he didn't want to be off his illicit drugs to go under anesthesia or something else we don't know about.

We wonder if he had a serious illness as well. I have wondered why he didn't seem to have romantic relationships his final years (that I know of. I don't know exactly where he and JH stood. She knew what side of the bed he slept on, but he also had her stay at the motel when she came to town.). So I wondered if the AIDS story could be real. Or maybe the drugs were just such a big part of his life that there was no room for romantic relationships. (I know we don't know what went on his bedroom, but his private life used to get so much press in that regard, and that just stopped.) Prince was only 57, it wasn't like he was elderly.

Yet, I realize that there is no way to get into Prince's head at that point in time, yet the questions around his death still arise for me. I try to understand what cannot be understood. His persona and talent were bigger than life, and it is hard to absorb that someone like Prince could die so young and in a way that I never could have imagined, whether it was truly an OD or suicide.

For whatever reason, I am drawn to this whole discussion though. Maybe it is because I have never believed the story that was put out there by the coroner's office and everyone else, so I try to figure it out. But I can't really talk about this with people in 'real life' as they don't know nearly as much as I do as they haven't read all the files. And they would probably think I am crazy to have spent so much time pondering it all. So I appreciate this community, and I am glad we can all talk about this.

I am sorry for all this rambling. Thank you for reading.

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Very well said. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

iamafan said:

I think what is difficult is we are trying to understand Prince's death/actions from a rational point of view. However, that isn't really possible.

Just look from the perspective of depression. It sounds like he was depressed during his final days based on JH's commentary. Depression is a state that most cannot understand unless they have been through it. Then add immense pain to the mix, the fact he couldn't perform like he used to, his music wasn't nearly as popular as it once was, he didn't seem to have solid relationships (I don't call enablers solid. People seemed to be more 'on call' for him than anything as well, like JH), his childhood was a mess, his child died, he was in the grips of addiction and the public would most likely soon know about it.... that would all be hard to deal with for anyone. Yes he had money and fame, but what did that really matter?

So we try to figure it out... We wonder why he didn't get a hip replacement as that seems like an easy solution for most. Well he had some reason whether it was a bad experience the first time around or he didn't want to be off his illicit drugs to go under anesthesia or something else we don't know about.

We wonder if he had a serious illness as well. I have wondered why he didn't seem to have romantic relationships his final years (that I know of. I don't know exactly where he and JH stood. She knew what side of the bed he slept on, but he also had her stay at the motel when she came to town.). So I wondered if the AIDS story could be real. Or maybe the drugs were just such a big part of his life that there was no room for romantic relationships. (I know we don't know what went on his bedroom, but his private life used to get so much press in that regard, and that just stopped.) Prince was only 57, it wasn't like he was elderly.

Yet, I realize that there is no way to get into Prince's head at that point in time, yet the questions around his death still arise for me. I try to understand what cannot be understood. His persona and talent were bigger than life, and it is hard to absorb that someone like Prince could die so young and in a way that I never could have imagined, whether it was truly an OD or suicide.

For whatever reason, I am drawn to this whole discussion though. Maybe it is because I have never believed the story that was put out there by the coroner's office and everyone else, so I try to figure it out. But I can't really talk about this with people in 'real life' as they don't know nearly as much as I do as they haven't read all the files. And they would probably think I am crazy to have spent so much time pondering it all. So I appreciate this community, and I am glad we can all talk about this.

I am sorry for all this rambling. Thank you for reading.

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Prince(r.i.p.) toured with 3rdEYEGIRL & The Npg all the way up to 2015 merely months before he transitioned. He was only on the Piano & Microphone tour for three months prior to his passing.That IS NOT a man that couldn't perform like he use to.

He also had a minor hit that climbed the charts "1000 X's & O's" just barely months before he left this earth. NOT a man that's muziq wasn't as popular.

As far as relationships. Prince(r.i.p.) & JH was in a FULL FLEDGED relationship along with a SOLID relationship with the beautiful Tamron Hall who he talked to EVERYDAY & invited her to his last party merely a week before he transitioned.

HE WAS NOT some sad, tragic,depressed figure waiting to die. If that's how U and most here want to paint him it's a false narrative. I will continue to defend his legacy.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

iamafan said:

I think what is difficult is we are trying to understand Prince's death/actions from a rational point of view. However, that isn't really possible.

Just look from the perspective of depression. It sounds like he was depressed during his final days based on JH's commentary. Depression is a state that most cannot understand unless they have been through it. Then add immense pain to the mix, the fact he couldn't perform like he used to, his music wasn't nearly as popular as it once was, he didn't seem to have solid relationships (I don't call enablers solid. People seemed to be more 'on call' for him than anything as well, like JH), his childhood was a mess, his child died, he was in the grips of addiction and the public would most likely soon know about it.... that would all be hard to deal with for anyone. Yes he had money and fame, but what did that really matter?

So we try to figure it out... We wonder why he didn't get a hip replacement as that seems like an easy solution for most. Well he had some reason whether it was a bad experience the first time around or he didn't want to be off his illicit drugs to go under anesthesia or something else we don't know about.

We wonder if he had a serious illness as well. I have wondered why he didn't seem to have romantic relationships his final years (that I know of. I don't know exactly where he and JH stood. She knew what side of the bed he slept on, but he also had her stay at the motel when she came to town.). So I wondered if the AIDS story could be real. Or maybe the drugs were just such a big part of his life that there was no room for romantic relationships. (I know we don't know what went on his bedroom, but his private life used to get so much press in that regard, and that just stopped.) Prince was only 57, it wasn't like he was elderly.

Yet, I realize that there is no way to get into Prince's head at that point in time, yet the questions around his death still arise for me. I try to understand what cannot be understood. His persona and talent were bigger than life, and it is hard to absorb that someone like Prince could die so young and in a way that I never could have imagined, whether it was truly an OD or suicide.

For whatever reason, I am drawn to this whole discussion though. Maybe it is because I have never believed the story that was put out there by the coroner's office and everyone else, so I try to figure it out. But I can't really talk about this with people in 'real life' as they don't know nearly as much as I do as they haven't read all the files. And they would probably think I am crazy to have spent so much time pondering it all. So I appreciate this community, and I am glad we can all talk about this.

I am sorry for all this rambling. Thank you for reading.

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Prince(r.i.p.) toured with 3rdEYEGIRL & The Npg all the way up to 2015 merely months before he transitioned. He was only on the Piano & Microphone tour for three months prior to his passing.That IS NOT a man that couldn't perform like he use to.

He also had a minor hit that climbed the charts "1000 X's & O's" just barely months before he left this earth. NOT a man that's muziq wasn't as popular.

As far as relationships. Prince(r.i.p.) & JH was in a FULL FLEDGED relationship along with a SOLID relationship with the beautiful Tamron Hall who he talked to EVERYDAY & invited her to his last party merely a week before he transitioned.

HE WAS NOT some sad, tragic,depressed figure waiting to die. If that's how U and most here want to paint him it's a false narrative. I will continue to defend his legacy.

I appreciate your support of Prince and want to make clear that I supported him as well.

I also feel that neither Judith nor Tamron knew about Prince's drug use nor possible health issues and were both blind-sided. Judith sounded somewhat traumatised during her questioning by the authorities and Tamron needed to take time off to process his death. This tells me he hid a significant part of himself from them. It's understandable but shows he was not in a fully-fledged relationship with either. Tamron declined the invitation to PP after Moline. This is not to place blame but to show the relationship was not that of someone in love.

I think they both loved him but were not in current intimate relationships with him.