PennyPurple said:

LoveGalore said:

PennyPurple said:

I do not believe that he knew there was fentanyl in those pills.

I believe he knew that something was off and that he was not feeling well. Some of those pills in the same bottle had only lidocaine in them. They were made to look like Watson's.

I believe that when he took the ones that only had the lidocaine it threw him into withdrawels, and that was why he was not feeling well and couldn't figure it out.

I don't believe that there is any way he could've distinguished the fentanyl pills vs. the non-fentanyl pills.

Why would he refuse blood tests at Moline? Note that it couldn't be fear of his addiction issue getting out because that ship had sailed with both shots of narcan.

Because he knew he had drugs in his system and no script for them, also he didn't want the public to know.

He was also blaming the Narcan on him not feeling well. He was nervous about the Narcan and was questioning it while at the hospital.

PennyPurple said:

LoveGalore said:

Mumio said:

Sorry, but I'm gonna say that no one here believes this story you are putting out in the slightest. It sounds like some weird stan fanfiction.

While I definitely don't think all of Prince's music is about Denise, it's certainly very true that she was a constant weight on his mind over the years. They never stopped talking to each other despite the difference in directions their lives went and that's kind of fascinating given they really only dated for about a year and a half, maybe two. The song and video for Back In Time are quite fascinating as well. The video was not officially released until last year - well after the promo for the record was complete. The video does depict a sort of rebirth in purple light, which is kind of interesting when you consider the lyrics. Prince was certainly saying something with this production and I think it speaks volumes that Judith candidly does not refer to their relationship in a straightforward way. In her NYTimes interview, she describes it as a very intense relationship and that one of the last things he said to her was he loved her and he'd always be there for her. I doubt prince would've consciously decided to kill himself in front of Judith though. That seems extremely callous. Even with all his obsession with the afterlife and not putting a ton of value in the terrestrial things, making someone witness you die like that is hurtful and scarring. He'd obviously not taken those pills before and did not know they were bad news until then. But the refusal to take blood tests at Moline and the refusal to not take the pills again says, to me, that he was willing to die 4/20.

"that's kind of fascinating given they really only dated for about a year and a half, maybe two"

Two and a half according to a 1985 interview with Denise. However, Prince was continually trying to get her back.

They were still seeing each other.

What do you think Erotic City is about?

What do you think Kiss is about?

Diamonds and Pearl?

What do you think Prince's love sign is about?

Who do you think The Most Beautifule Girl In The World is?

In Call My Name who's beauty do you think slows Prince down? Clue: It's not Manuela Testolini. You guys are going to have your mind blown on this one. Was Prince's famous Superbowl performance a play to get Denise back? I think so.

Judith: "she describes it as a very intense relationship"

In my opinion she is understating

But you won't understand why at this point

"That seems extremely callous"

My word is unconscionable*

*With Prince, everything is subservient to the art.

He made Mayte do an Oprah interview only days after their child had died as a newborn in a most horrific way. That was callous.

What was done to Judith was even more extreme.

I have tried to understand why he would treat her so.

This is what I believe. Read Judith's statement to police. Prince was on the phone with Judith the night before. They were talking about Judith's music. From other interviews with Judith, I've gotten that it was the music of a new album that she completed on her own, Golden Child, in February 2016.

So Prince got the brillant idea, or so he thought, at the last minute to invite Judith on the trip to Atlanta. Prince knew she was going to be hurt whether she was there or not. He knew time was limited he was leaving her. The Back In Time video was coming out with the new album on its heels and his death would cause a firestorm of media and Judith would be all wrapped up in it.

I'm not saying this right but it is the best I can do in understanding his actions.

It may even be simply that he didn't want to be alone.

Also, in Judith's statement to police, when they get to the hospital Prince apologizes and Judith says "why are you apologizing?" She was thinking it was an overdose. But he knew it wasn't and that is why he was apologizing. He saw how upset she was and the commontion it caused.

So I think Prince realized it was maybe not a good idea to involve her directly. That is why he makes sure she is out of town and does the deed quietly the second time.

So Judith smashed Prince's beautiful picture/vision of his death, just like Vanity had done with his pictures/visions back in the 1980s. Judith has become and official Beautiful One because she did what Beautiful One's do - always, everytime. She smashed the picture/vision that Prince had in his mind about how he was to tansform - flying high in the sky.

Watch Judith's video again. And note the caption she writes. The video was to come out in April 2016. She holds it for over two years.

Judith Hill – Back In Time

https://www.youtube.com/w...=0&t=0

Some other things to ponder in Judith's video.

The colors that pelt the piano are colors associated with Vanity.

There is a shot of Judith at the piano with water in the basin of the piano. See Wendy and Lisa's video for Waterfalls. Lisa is sitting at a piano with water in the piano in similar fashion.

The end of the video where Judith is shown in close-up bathed in the purple color. Notice the color of her gown, notice she is on the right side of the screen and facing left, notice the expression on her face. Then look at Vanity on the cover of the Vanity 6 album.

Judith at the end of this video is juxtaposed to Vanity on the cover of the Vanity 6 album cover.

Judith is not only a better Vanity but a better Lisa and Wendy.

Maybe this will help understand more why Prince was seemingly so callous in having Judith on the plane with him. He wanted this video to come out at the time of his death.

Some here may think this is 'fan fiction' but there is one person in Prince world who does not think this is 'fan fiction'.

Shelia E.

Now watch Shelia's tribute video to Prince which was filmed and released in June/July 2016. Do you see any similarities? Do you see the sanctimony? Since when does Shelia play piano?

Sheila E – Prince Tribute – Girl Meets Boy

https://www.youtube.com/w...QR19f6Wjno

It is clear to me Shelia has seen Judith's video and very much understands the imagry and maybe she even advised Judith to not release it at the scheduled time. In the meantime, Shelia seizes the opportunity and imagry and gets her video out first but with a much smaller shooting budget.

Shelia knows. They, from the early days, all know.

And they don't like it and certainly don't want you to know about it.

PennyPurple said:

LoveGalore said:

PennyPurple said: Why would he refuse blood tests at Moline? Note that it couldn't be fear of his addiction issue getting out because that ship had sailed with both shots of narcan.

Because he knew he had drugs in his system and no script for them, also he didn't want the public to know.

He was also blaming the Narcan on him not feeling well. He was nervous about the Narcan and was questioning it while at the hospital.

He was nervous about the Narcan and was questioning it while at the hospital.

He wasn't nervous, he was angry. Because it was 'interfering'!

PeggyO said:

His overdose in Moline did not seem to be an unpleasant experience for him.

He had had experienced other overdoses and likely additional 'close-calls' before. Many of us have said "I would never touch those things again"or something of that nature.

He did not seem to share that aversion.

His last overdose was likely much worse for us.

I read a statement from a detective who said he had talked to a heroin user about Fentanyl and said that it produced a strong sense of euphoria.

I think he knew Fentanyl or something 'stronger' was in those pills as he was able to manage to not take them from 4/15-4/20 (blood-work shows no Fent)

He was withdrawing as he was relying on other opiates that were displayed in his urine test but are nowhere near as powerful. I think he was in withdrawal as he was trying to take as little as he possibly could.

I think he purposefully stayed away from 'those pills' (Fent-laced) as he knew they would show the depth of his addiction. (bloodwork.)

andrewm7 said:

I think this thread needs to exist. As far as I know (through reading up various sites) Prince died of a Fentanyl overdose.Whether this was intentional or accidental we will likely never know. It has been established that Prince regularly used opiate based pain killers in the months and years leading up to his death, and was seeking treatment with an addiction specialist.

The pill or pills that likely killed him were bootleg, illegally manufactured Norco tablets. How he came to obtain these pills is a matter of conjecture. Whether he knew that these tablets contained Fentanyl or not is unknown.

He left nothing that could be termed a "suicide note" although there is evidence that a cleanup of some kind was attempted and files were erased.What these files were, we do not know. His body was moved prior to police arrival, possibly in an attempt at resuscitation.

If there is anything that I am failing to understand or express properly please set me straight.

You can't ever really erase anything on a computer though.

LoveGalore said:

PennyPurple said:

Because he knew he had drugs in his system and no script for them, also he didn't want the public to know.

He was also blaming the Narcan on him not feeling well. He was nervous about the Narcan and was questioning it while at the hospital.

The public would have to know - they administered the narcan after all. Do they give narcan to people they don't suspect are ODing on opiates? It's clear he didn't want anyone to know, but is that because he was minimizing public knowledge or is it because he didn't want people to know what he was up to in the bigger picture? Why then tell people to wait a few days to pray? He either knew those pills were spiked or... I dunno. It just seems to strange to deny treatment and then continue taking the pills that (nearly) killed you. I mean, he'd have been dead had they not landed in those 5 mins.

Actually the public wouldn't have known about the Narcan but I think TMZ broke with the story. Just because the gave him Narcan doesn't mean the public had to have known that.

I think he didn't want the public to know anything. I mean the story his camp put out was that he had the flu. Then as things started to break open, he tried to act like everything was fine by being seen in public riding his bike, and by throwing the party.

I've never understood why he said what he did about save your prayers for a few days. I don't know if it meant he knew he was going to rehab and to pray for him then, or what it meant?? I don't know if he meant that he didn't need the publics prayers, or you've not prayed for me before now, why start?

He wanted to know what people were thinking about it all because he visited the org and the blind item page. So he was aware peeps were talking.

authorbest said:

Who do you think The Most Beautifule Girl In The World is?

Mayte. And Erotic City was how he first got Sheila E. in the studio, so .... Your posts are fixated on Vanity and Judith Hill in a way that has nothing to do with Prince tha'ts verifiable.

[Edited 12/29/19 11:17am]

funksterr said:

Sharonash said:

He took the laced pills because he felt flu like symptoms from the withdrawal. The oxy didnt help. He needed stronger pills. He didnt know how dangerous these pills are. Who the hell gave him them??? My opinion ..

lavendardrummachine said:

authorbest said:

Who do you think The Most Beautifule Girl In The World is?

Mayte. And Erotic City was how he first got Sheila E. in the studio, so .... Your posts are fixated on Vanity and Judith Hill in a way that has nothing to do with Prince tha'ts verifiable.

[Edited 12/29/19 11:17am]

It's not Mayte. Even she recognizes it's not about her. She said it's about all women, which is code for Vanity because we don't want to mention her name.

'Erotic City was how he first got Sheila E. in the studio'

So? That doesn't mean it's not about Vanity? In fact it is about Vanity. Read the lyrics.

Vanity had just left him. He's talking about wanting to make the girl his wife

Wishing she was his dame. Well at least we can still....you know what

So is The Glamorous Life about Vanity, that is.

"Your posts are fixated on Vanity and Judith Hill in a way that has nothing to do with Prince tha'ts verifiable."

It is verifiable - Judith's video is only one example of the verifiability.

The music is another.

There are more.

Your missing the point. It was Prince who was 'fixated on' (I call it still loved) Vanity.

Your not listening to the lyrics.

If you understand that almost all Prince music is about Vanity, then you will understand his death.

She even appears in Judith's video. That is the point.

So, in your world, forget what Prince was telling you loud and clear and repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly

But instead be fixed on rabbit holes.

Prince ended his life to spend 'eternity' with Vanity. See '4Ever' from Lotus Flower.

He left you Judith.

That is what he was trying to tell you by his actions and his 'suicide note'.

Until you understand this you will never understand his death.

Maybe it has to be repeated, repeated, repeated until it sinks in.

But I'm not holding my breath.

PennyPurple said:

I've never understood why he said what he did about save your prayers for a few days. I don't know if it meant he knew he was going to rehab and to pray for him then, or what it meant?? I don't know if he meant that he didn't need the publics prayers, or you've not prayed for me before now, why start?

Because the full moon for the month was only days away.

This statement is part of the suicide note.

Can't you read the writing on the wall.

Sharonash said:

He took the laced pills because he felt flu like symptoms from the withdrawal. The oxy didnt help. He needed stronger pills. He didnt know how dangerous these pills are. Who the hell gave him them??? My opinion ..

so he took 30-50 pills?

authorbest said:

Sharonash said:

He took the laced pills because he felt flu like symptoms from the withdrawal. The oxy didnt help. He needed stronger pills. He didnt know how dangerous these pills are. Who the hell gave him them??? My opinion ..

so he took 30-50 pills?

? Who said he took 30-50 pills?

PennyPurple said:

authorbest said:

so he took 30-50 pills?

? Who said he took 30-50 pills?

That's an educated guesstimate

authorbest said:

PennyPurple said:

? Who said he took 30-50 pills?

That's an educated guesstimate

Sounds like fan fiction to me.

PennyPurple said:

authorbest said:

That's an educated guesstimate

Sounds like fan fiction to me.

Could be..

So let's hear your fictional story on how the amount of Fentanyl, as indicated in this leaked toxicolgy report shows, got into his system. This is not one, two, three or even ten pills. But let's hear your fictional account.

Blood: 67.8

Liver: 435

Stomach: 14,000

Note: The report uses mg but that is error Fentanyl is calibrated in mcg.

https://kstp.com/medical/fentanyl-related-overdoses-rising-chicago-dea-lab-chemists-track-drugs-prince-death/4491091/

authorbest said:

PennyPurple said:

Sounds like fan fiction to me.

Could be..

So let's hear your fictional story on how the amount of Fentanyl, as indicated in this leaked toxicolgy report shows, got into his system. This is not one, two, three or even ten pills. But let's hear your fictional account.

Blood: 67.8

Liver: 435

Stomach: 14,000

Note: The report uses mg but that is error Fentanyl is calibrated in mcg.

https://kstp.com/medical/fentanyl-related-overdoses-rising-chicago-dea-lab-chemists-track-drugs-prince-death/4491091/

You do realize that one or two grains of fentanyl kills??

Grains as in the size of a grain of salt for comparison.

One pill that isn't mixed properly, can kill. 1 (one) Uno.

authorbest said:

PennyPurple said:

Sounds like fan fiction to me.

Could be..

So let's hear your fictional story on how the amount of Fentanyl, as indicated in this leaked toxicolgy report shows, got into his system. This is not one, two, three or even ten pills. But let's hear your fictional account.

Blood: 67.8

Liver: 435

Stomach: 14,000

Note: The report uses mg but that is error Fentanyl is calibrated in mcg.

https://kstp.com/medical/fentanyl-related-overdoses-rising-chicago-dea-lab-chemists-track-drugs-prince-death/4491091/

Hi folks: There can be a very high dose of Fentanyl in 1-2 pills. Fentanyl is very powerful, concentrated and and small in size.

As I remember, the ME had difficulty finding the pill (s) in his stomach and was wondering if he had accessed it nasally or through other routes.30 pills would have been easily identified.

IMO, it was an extremely high dose in 1-2 pills.

It was established that he took it orally.

authorbest said:

authorbest said:

It's not Mayte. Even she recognizes it's not about her. She said it's about all women, which is code for Vanity because we don't want to mention her name.

'Erotic City was how he first got Sheila E. in the studio'

So? That doesn't mean it's not about Vanity? In fact it is about Vanity. Read the lyrics.

Vanity had just left him. He's talking about wanting to make the girl his wife

Wishing she was his dame. Well at least we can still....you know what

So is The Glamorous Life about Vanity, that is.

"Your posts are fixated on Vanity and Judith Hill in a way that has nothing to do with Prince tha'ts verifiable."

It is verifiable - Judith's video is only one example of the verifiability.

The music is another.

There are more.

Your missing the point. It was Prince who was 'fixated on' (I call it still loved) Vanity.

Your not listening to the lyrics.

If you understand that almost all Prince music is about Vanity, then you will understand his death.

She even appears in Judith's video. That is the point.

So, in your world, forget what Prince was telling you loud and clear and repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly

But instead be fixed on rabbit holes.

Prince ended his life to spend 'eternity' with Vanity. See '4Ever' from Lotus Flower.

He left you Judith.

That is what he was trying to tell you by his actions and his 'suicide note'.

Until you understand this you will never understand his death.

Maybe it has to be repeated, repeated, repeated until it sinks in.

But I'm not holding my breath.

I would not be rude but each of us is done differently and that is why we have different ideas, if it were not so this post would not exist.You can't expect everyone to think like you, nor can you force anyone to do it.

For example, I don't think all the songs he made are about Denise. I think 50% of her songs are about God, 45% of the various experiences she had or wanted to have, the remaining 5% of her mother and the complicated relationship she had with her and how she wanted it to be .

If you allow me I would like to ask you a question, have you read Prince-The Beautiful Ones' book? If you haven't done it yet, I suggest you do it.

Forgive me for spelling mistakes but I'm not American / English.

authorbest said:

PennyPurple said:

Sounds like fan fiction to me.

Could be..

So let's hear your fictional story on how the amount of Fentanyl, as indicated in this leaked toxicolgy report shows, got into his system. This is not one, two, three or even ten pills. But let's hear your fictional account.

Blood: 67.8

Liver: 435

Stomach: 14,000

Note: The report uses mg but that is error Fentanyl is calibrated in mcg.

https://kstp.com/medical/fentanyl-related-overdoses-rising-chicago-dea-lab-chemists-track-drugs-prince-death/4491091/

Where is the actual report showing the 14,000 mcg in the stomach? The actual report, not a secondary source.

barnswallow said:

authorbest said:

Could be..

So let's hear your fictional story on how the amount of Fentanyl, as indicated in this leaked toxicolgy report shows, got into his system. This is not one, two, three or even ten pills. But let's hear your fictional account.

Blood: 67.8

Liver: 435

Stomach: 14,000

Note: The report uses mg but that is error Fentanyl is calibrated in mcg.

https://kstp.com/medical/fentanyl-related-overdoses-rising-chicago-dea-lab-chemists-track-drugs-prince-death/4491091/

Where is the actual report showing the 14,000 mcg in the stomach? The actual report, not a secondary source.

the actual report was leaked showing extremely high levels of Fentanyl in his blood, stomach and liver.

These nmbers look accurate.

PeggyO said:

barnswallow said:

Where is the actual report showing the 14,000 mcg in the stomach? The actual report, not a secondary source.

the actual report was leaked showing extremely high levels of Fentanyl in his blood, stomach and liver.

These nmbers look accurate.

Hi Peggy!

The actual report was not released.

The journalist was talking to a DEA chemist, and someone at BCA about fent, and then the journalist spoke about what was found in Ps system. The journalist doesnt cite the source for the numbers.

This is the article that mentions U-4770 was found.

I see people citing that the public knew of the Narcan shots? Really? that was reported after death, I do not recall ever hearing he was given Narcan, I heard the plane landed and he had the Flu that was why it landed he went to the hospital and was released. All the other things came out after death, like the shot and also dismissing himself from the hospital. I think a lot is known in his circle, I think seeing the recent interviews with Morris, and he doesnt hide the fact that he "had a problem", also saying he had heard from others he was using. I dont really see a reason for him to lie. I think PRINCE had a problem did not want it known, no matter what, but something that MORRIS said is so true, he said " i had troubles with drugs but i was young in my 20's and it took less to come out of that" Prince was a much older man, regardless of where this started, if it was something as simple as becoming addicted to pain meds after surgery that is not "unusual" at all. It happened to everyone from Chevy Chase to Johnny Mathis to Richard Carpenter to Chris Cornell. Prince thought he was on a higher power and he could beat it, by himself with no one knowing, I think he was ashamed of his addiction, because of how and what he preached to now be addicted, and to have the press digging into him, for a man that NEVER had a scandal, thats right think about it, what scandal did PRINCE ever have? none, and now age 57 he was going to have to face drug addiction, he thought he was better and that he could beat it or honestly maybe at a point he felt if he died that was how it was to be.

lastdecember said:

I see people citing that the public knew of the Narcan shots? Really? that was reported after death, I do not recall ever hearing he was given Narcan, I heard the plane landed and he had the Flu that was why it landed he went to the hospital and was released. All the other things came out after death, like the shot and also dismissing himself from the hospital. I think a lot is known in his circle, I think seeing the recent interviews with Morris, and he doesnt hide the fact that he "had a problem", also saying he had heard from others he was using. I dont really see a reason for him to lie. I think PRINCE had a problem did not want it known, no matter what, but something that MORRIS said is so true, he said " i had troubles with drugs but i was young in my 20's and it took less to come out of that" Prince was a much older man, regardless of where this started, if it was something as simple as becoming addicted to pain meds after surgery that is not "unusual" at all. It happened to everyone from Chevy Chase to Johnny Mathis to Richard Carpenter to Chris Cornell. Prince thought he was on a higher power and he could beat it, by himself with no one knowing, I think he was ashamed of his addiction, because of how and what he preached to now be addicted, and to have the press digging into him, for a man that NEVER had a scandal, thats right think about it, what scandal did PRINCE ever have? none, and now age 57 he was going to have to face drug addiction, he thought he was better and that he could beat it or honestly maybe at a point he felt if he died that was how it was to be.

TMZ revealed b 4 Prince(r.i.p.) transitioned that he had an emergency plane landing, life or death, Narcan shot.Which put him into damage control OVERDRIVE!