PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Disgusted? I'm outraged. I swear if I would live in the US, I'd hunt down their asses and slap them in the face. Seriously, they claim that P was their friend and yet they didn't do shit to really help him? I don't know about ya'll, but that's not how I'd treat my friends.

You wouldn't have had to llok far this past weekend they were all in MN celebrating.

It's so terrible, I really wanted to know more about what happened in his last months, but now that I know it, I sure wish I could turn back the clock to the time where I didn't know all of this. It's really, really sad that he had no one who wanted to help. And the few who did want to were blocked. It's really the way Chazz said it was: "They kept those who loved him away from him, just like they did with MJ."

luv4u said:

Enablers provided the drugs coz all they were interested in was a paycheck. Now that he is gone so is the enablers salary - vultures

Sorry but no. They are still drawing a paycheck and they are still using Prince to do so. Let's not forget the items with the symbol and butterfly that are being sold. People still seek them out for interviews, even after learning this horrible news on Thursday......

brett favre did it "on comman" Ray Charles did it "On command" Little Richard did it "on command" it does happen but everyone wants to take the poor addict idea in.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

no, i have plenty of life experiences, it's just hard to believe prince, was so goddamned stupid that he'd go the same way they all go. I always thought there always had to be severe alternatives at the very least to not taking pain medication. It's the same thing with me studying my other heroes, muhammad ali was quoted by his daughter as "being team pacquiao" before the big mayweather fight, having studied that man like i did, i 1. doubted he'd even be able to verbalize those sentiments and 2. there is no way in hell ali would be stupid enough to make a pick like that, partially because he knew he his meaning to the boxing world and wouldn't want to be that undiplomatic and also because he would never pick against the black guy publicly. turns out i was right, his daughter like pacquaio and so she put words in his mouth, she later retracted.

so, if prince was taking them i still think there had to be real good reasons for him to be taking them and that he knew what he was doing and was ready to accept the consequences. I don't want to "accept" suicide either but that's a very live possibility, who od's and does the same shit a week later, and no, don't bring up your loser street junkies who want to die anyways, prince knew what was gonna happen, he told us in song, he had the breakdown, he went back home, he was done. Also, he was no coward so i doubt he worried much about it. I'm thinking his thoughts were more along the lines of great boxers who say "you push that body as far as it will go" I think that's a possibility too. but, there are still plenty people who just want to forget the whole thing, not look closer, not think, that's cool too.

But Pete, come on now...Prince was his own man who was lead by none, and was never easily convinced or swayed to do otherwise. Stupidity has nothing to do with it.

This personality type was on display time and time again. This is indeed a very extreme person. Coupled that with addiction... all bets are off.

His was a journey based on duality and ambiguity. He lived by doing what he said, and often, not what he was doing. It was all part of the allure.

You mentioned " a real good reason he was taking them" . Yes! He was addicted. It matters not why/when he started...what matters most, is that he burned a trail figuring out two things:(1) How to consistently get more of it thru channels that are unconventional;(2) How to remain undetected. These are classic behavioral traits created by "self". I certainly don't believe Prince only took "meds" when he felt pain. Someone should be publicly stoned if they believe that. Addicts don't dabble in self-control. What he did not bargain for is his inability to relinquish said substances on command. It never works out that way. Therein lies the conundrum known as failure.

brett favre did it "on command" Ray Charles did it "On command" Little Richard did it "on command" it does happen but everyone wants to take the poor addict idea in.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

no, i have plenty of life experiences, it's just hard to believe prince, was so goddamned stupid that he'd go the same way they all go. I always thought there always had to be severe alternatives at the very least to not taking pain medication. It's the same thing with me studying my other heroes, muhammad ali was quoted by his daughter as "being team pacquiao" before the big mayweather fight, having studied that man like i did, i 1. doubted he'd even be able to verbalize those sentiments and 2. there is no way in hell ali would be stupid enough to make a pick like that, partially because he knew he his meaning to the boxing world and wouldn't want to be that undiplomatic and also because he would never pick against the black guy publicly. turns out i was right, his daughter like pacquaio and so she put words in his mouth, she later retracted.

so, if prince was taking them i still think there had to be real good reasons for him to be taking them and that he knew what he was doing and was ready to accept the consequences. I don't want to "accept" suicide either but that's a very live possibility, who od's and does the same shit a week later, and no, don't bring up your loser street junkies who want to die anyways, prince knew what was gonna happen, he told us in song, he had the breakdown, he went back home, he was done. Also, he was no coward so i doubt he worried much about it. I'm thinking his thoughts were more along the lines of great boxers who say "you push that body as far as it will go" I think that's a possibility too. but, there are still plenty people who just want to forget the whole thing, not look closer, not think, that's cool too.

But Pete, come on now...Prince was his own man who was lead by none, and was never easily convinced or swayed to do otherwise. Stupidity has nothing to do with it.

This personality type was on display time and time again. This is indeed a very extreme person. Coupled that with addiction... all bets are off.

His was a journey based on duality and ambiguity. He lived by doing what he said, and often, not what he was doing. It was all part of the allure.

You mentioned " a real good reason he was taking them" . Yes! He was addicted. It matters not why/when he started...what matters most, is that he burned a trail figuring out two things:(1) How to consistently get more of it thru channels that are unconventional;(2) How to remain undetected. These are classic behavioral traits created by "self". I certainly don't believe Prince only took "meds" when he felt pain. Someone should be publicly stoned if they believe that. Addicts don't dabble in self-control. What he did not bargain for is his inability to relinquish said substances on command. It never works out that way. Therein lies the conundrum known as failure.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Disgusted? I'm outraged. I swear if I would live in the US, I'd hunt down their asses and slap them in the face. Seriously, they claim that P was their friend and yet they didn't do shit to really help him? I don't know about ya'll, but that's not how I'd treat my friends.

You wouldn't have had to llok far this past weekend they were all in MN celebrating.

I wonder if Strawberrylove and LR were there with the FACEBOOK GROUP WHO KNEW HE HAD CANCER.

Perhaps Mulefunk was there peddling the last shithole pages of his book ( the one buried in the Sahara) that purports the never ending struggle alongside the BLM contra the "man".

What a way to die. Cancer and getting knocked off by the "man" all in one damn week.


I need a drink.

PennyPurple said:

jtfolden said:

He did NOT know there was Fentanyl in them... Also, he did NOT know the pills he had were counterfeit.

I think he very well knew that they were counterfeit. He's been getting the counterfeits for years. This isn't his 1st rodeo.

What makes you think he knew the pills contained something other than what was printed on them, though? If anything he seemed in denial that it was the pills causing an issue. It wasn't the pills it was the narcan, it wasn't the pills it was bad soup, etc...

He knew he wasn't getting them legally, obviously, and maybe even thought they were made via shady means for all we know but it seems like he expected the pills to be the same ingredient as they always were and was reluctant to believe they might have been made out of something that would cause him issues (such as the comments, in the hospital, to Judith that it was the shot because he knows his body well...).

dreamer5 said:

I'm not sure who can read this report and not be completely disgusted with the 2 people who appear to be clearly obstructing justice. The other thing that stands out is the demeanor of these investigators. They appear to take "MN nice" to a new level--it's frustrating to listen to. It takes you until 2018 to get a statement from Sheila E? Really?

Whoever has the full audio recording of Theo (prince's chief of staff and tour manager, 2012-2015) needs to listen to the full recording (1 hour long). He seems very credible and honest.

He had MANY serious concerns which he reported to police. Where is the follow up on these concerns? Why are Phaedra and Kirk not forced to provide information?

• Theo was at PP on 4/21 and Kirk, Phaedra and Tyka were there busy cleaning a stain on the carpet (that was their top priority).
• On 4/21 Phaedra says, "We're gonna lock down PP and clean up and get rid of things".
• On 4/21 Phaedra says, we need to get to the bank and 'pay some bills'.
• On 4/21 Kirk says, who was on the his computer last? Phaedra says, 'I'll take care of it'--with a smirk.
• Claims Kirk has no backbone and is Phaedra's "puppet".
• Reports Phaedra responsible for accounts (i.e. NPG Music and Publishing) which had huge amount of missing money.
• Theo said on several occasions she would tell him she would "hack" into the computer of anyone that would not give her info that she needed because she is from Silicon Valley.
• Prince told Theo that Phaedra would properly "vet" anyone that would work for him by hacking their computers.
• Prince got mad at him for getting him Tylenol instead of something "stronger". He believed that others would get meds for him and it would be Phaedra, Kirk or Meron who would get them for him. He did not believe Prince would ever get them himself.

[Edited 4/23/18 14:34pm]

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I was reading that part today. Prince had some real shady-ass people working for him! I thought he was careful of whom he trusted?

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Phaedra, Kirk & Meron.......chatting on private texts, which can't be saved? Hmmm.

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According to Kiran, Phaedra and Kirky-boy shredded 8-Garbage bags-full of documents! Hmmm.

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Phaedra & Meron NEVER gave any statements......got lawyered-up real quick! Hmmm....

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Crystal (P's former assist), said Kirk knows full-well of Prince's pain and pill use, and when she expressed concern to Phaedra, she just shrugged it off and said Prince was tired and needed sleep (after Moline)......Another......Hmmm.

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After police left the scene on 4/21/16, supposedly Kirk & Phaedra did some spring cleaning......Hmmm.

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Kirk points to a stain on the carpet near the entry way to have cleaned-up.......Hmmm. Seems a bit odd, don't you think, considering most of the premises were in disarray.

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Theo (P's tour mgr) said Kirk had Prince's password for his laptop....Hmmm.

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This is only the tip of the iceberg!!

NotACleverName said:

Page 168 of the NYT article - https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html - Item 274, Kirk states that Prince confessed the following: "I can't beat this, I need a drink". I believe this was the night of April 20th. Prince knew in 2009 that he was succumbing to his addiction when he stated he was "too close" to MJ's death and sequestered himself in a room for several days. He knew then.....

typical cryptic statement prince made but if he meant he "was too close" to od'ing, it again indicates he knew what was going on. In truth they all do, elvis knew too, he told cybill sheppard that his biggest fault was that he was self-destructive, he kinda shrugged when he said it i guess, so he felt he couldn't change it. E's life was saved several times, he knew how it would end. Prince, sequestering himself, i always thought of as just mourning, i know i, and millions other were in mourning.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Right you are! Know what's worse? Those who defended her because she was so "loving" to her brother. Where are those defenders now? Most of them can't define love , let alone claim Tyka of all people, "loved" her brother.

If YOU are a recovering addict, you will see clear signs of behavior resembling addiction. YOU, did nothing.

If YOU have verbally publicized messages as if you understood that your brother was "DYING" , yet neglected to intervene in his death spiral, that means YOU had knowledge of the problem. Your willful negligence makes YOU just as guilty as anyone else who saw it happening.

If YOU allowed the public to think( FOR TWO YEARS) that it could be anything else other than your brother was afflicted with a disease called addiction, then YOU are just as sinister. It clearly points to a mindset of someone devoid of a moral compass that some of the idiots in here have bestowed upon her.

She never really changed her jealous vitriolic sentiments for Prince. The reality is that it has always been tempered by his financial support . Sucks to be YOU. Sucks to be the people who supported your claim that YOU had the "answers'. What a joke .

I defended her, but I will not any longer.

In fact I'm wondering if SNJ might not be as bad as they are made out to be in the Estate thread.

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I always thought Tyka was shady. How dare I say such a thing.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

I defended her, but I will not any longer.

In fact I'm wondering if SNJ might not be as bad as they are made out to be in the Estate thread.

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I always thought Tyka was shady. How dare I say such a thing.

I remember how some people on here (Especially LR) gave me shit for saying that Tyka is lying her ass off!

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

You wouldn't have had to llok far this past weekend they were all in MN celebrating.

I wonder if Strawberrylove and LR were there with the FACEBOOK GROUP WHO KNEW HE HAD CANCER.

Perhaps Mulefunk was there peddling the last shithole pages of his book ( the one buried in the Sahara) that purports the never ending struggle alongside the BLM contra the "man".

What a way to die. Cancer and getting knocked off by the "man" all in one damn week.


I need a drink.

haha, good one dude.

MMJas said:

PeteSilas said:

not all, some people are pissed and calling him a fraud, kinda understand their point but no, prince you were no fraud, like springsteen said of himself "i'm a phoney but i'm also the realest thing you ever seen"

Whoever is calling Prince a fraud has no idea, absolutely no fucking idea of the pain this man must have endured, both physical due to dancing/jumping/playing and emotional.

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And, the saddest part of all is that Prince could have gotten help. But instead he kept the "yes men" around. If it is true that Prince had doctor's in MN who would give him drugs and also when he was on-tour; I hope one day, they will be exposed. People saying things, but they don't want to give names.......or can't remember.......

NotACleverName said:

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

You wouldn't have had to llok far this past weekend they were all in MN celebrating.

I wonder if Strawberrylove and LR were there with the FACEBOOK GROUP WHO KNEW HE HAD CANCER.

Perhaps Mulefunk was there peddling the last shithole pages of his book ( the one buried in the Sahara) that purports the never ending struggle alongside the BLM contra the "man".

What a way to die. Cancer and getting knocked off by the "man" all in one damn week.


I need a drink.

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Laura has said some very unkind things about people on the Org. She is up to her usual antics over on LA.

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Her and I butted heads a few times. She defended Tyka, Phaedra, Sheila & Van Jones.........saying what wonderful people they are and everything they do (or did) for Prince.

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Whatever, really!

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I'm giving all those leeches one big side-eye!!

NotACleverName said:

dreamer5 said:

I'm not sure who can read this report and not be completely disgusted with the 2 people who appear to be clearly obstructing justice. The other thing that stands out is the demeanor of these investigators. They appear to take "MN nice" to a new level--it's frustrating to listen to. It takes you until 2018 to get a statement from Sheila E? Really? Whoever has the full audio recording of Theo (prince's chief of staff and tour manager, 2012-2015) needs to listen to the full recording (1 hour long). He seems very credible and honest. He had MANY serious concerns which he reported to police. Where is the follow up on these concerns? Why are Phaedra and Kirk not forced to provide information?

• Theo was at PP on 4/21 and Kirk, Phaedra and Tyka were there busy cleaning a stain on the carpet (that was their top priority). On 4/21 Phaedra says, "We're gonna lock down PP and clean up and get rid of things". On 4/21 Phaedra says, we need to get to the bank and 'pay some bills'. On 4/21 Kirk says, who was on the his computer last? Phaedra says, 'I'll take care of it'--with a smirk. Claims Kirk has no backbone and is Phaedra's "puppet". Reports Phaedra responsible for accounts (i.e. NPG Music and Publishing) which had huge amount of missing money. Theo said on several occasions she would tell him she would "hack" into the computer of anyone that would not give her info that she needed because she is from Silicon Valley. Prince told Theo that Phaedra would properly "vet" anyone that would work for him by hacking their computers. Prince got mad at him for getting him Tylenol instead of something "stronger". He believed that others would get meds for him and it would be Phaedra, Kirk or Meron who would get them for him. He did not believe Prince would ever get them himself.[Edited 4/23/18 14:34pm]

Dreamer....do you have a link to the audio! I only read the police report from the NYT article - https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html - pgs 179 - 181. He revealed a lot/appeared credible, but I think the printed interview might not include all of what he said. Comparatively, 3 pgs of text vs a 1 hr interview seems a bit skewed. Thanks in advance!

I have only listened to that one audio file so far, but it appears the audios have much more info than the transcripts. I wish I was more tech savy. I will see if I can figure out how to share.

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I always thought Tyka was shady. How dare I say such a thing.

I remember how some people on here (Especially LR) gave me shit for saying that Tyka is lying her ass off!

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Yup! Her and I were going at it like two Bulls in a ring! Made me sick how she was giving Tyka and other's high-praises!

Please tell me someone has done the calculations for hydrocodone in urine but not in blood. Something has a meaning here. Come on people.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said:

Just saw this on StarTribune site - http://www.startribune.co...480578161/ Prince family suing IL hospital and Walgreens.

That tiny hospital may have dropped the ball somewhat, but they were thrust into a superstars circle of deception...And how is walgreens supposed to know those prescriptions were for Prince?...also his ratty ass estranged family that he obviously did not associate with, are doing such a public service by once again chasing the money...I have grown to hate them and that freakin Tyka with her flaming hot cheetos needs to CRAWL BACK UNDER THE ROCK SHE LIVED UNDER UNTIL 4/21/2016

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cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

I wonder if Strawberrylove and LR were there with the FACEBOOK GROUP WHO KNEW HE HAD CANCER.

Perhaps Mulefunk was there peddling the last shithole pages of his book ( the one buried in the Sahara) that purports the never ending struggle alongside the BLM contra the "man".

What a way to die. Cancer and getting knocked off by the "man" all in one damn week.


I need a drink.

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Laura has said some very unkind things about people on the Org. She is up to her usual antics over on LA.

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Her and I butted heads a few times. She defended Tyka, Phaedra, Sheila & Van Jones.........saying what wonderful people they are and everything they do (or did) for Prince.

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Whatever, really!

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I'm giving all those leeches one big side-eye!!

What is LA? I always liked herbs post for the most part.

NotACleverName said:

Just saw this on StarTribune site - http://www.startribune.co...480578161/ Prince family suing IL hospital and Walgreens. How will they win this? Every step of the way Prince refused most med treatment availed to him. When a patient refuses help, how can an institution be held liable? [Edited 4/23/18 15:29pm]

They had a famous patient who needed two narcan shots to regain consciousness. That same famous patient was being secretive but eventually stated that he had taken something else. The doctor then took that something else pill and sent it out for what should have been testing but instead was merely a visual confirmation of the medicine, something that any person could have done since it was marked watson whatever. The doctor, realizing Prince was lying about what he took and refused to do blood tests should have checked the composition for those pills, imo.

NotACleverName said:

Just saw this on StarTribune site - http://www.startribune.co...480578161/ Prince family suing IL hospital and Walgreens. How will they win this? Every step of the way Prince refused most med treatment availed to him. When a patient refuses help, how can an institution be held liable? [b

This means the autopsy will have to be released to both sides.

I dont see any way around that one....

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said:

Just saw this on StarTribune site - http://www.startribune.co...480578161/ Prince family suing IL hospital and Walgreens.

That tiny hospital may have dropped the ball somewhat, but they were thrust into a superstars circle of deception...And how is walgreens supposed to know those prescriptions were for Prince?...also his ratty ass estranged family that he obviously did not associate with, are doing such a public service by once again chasing the money...I have grown to hate them and that freakin Tyka with her flaming hot cheetos needs to CRAWL BACK UNDER THE ROCK SHE LIVED UNDER UNTIL 4/21/2016

The comments accompanying this article in Prince's hometown paper make your observations, LoveSymbolnumber2, pale in comparison...BTW, hearty thanks for posting the bolded!

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said:

Just saw this on StarTribune site - http://www.startribune.co...480578161/ Prince family suing IL hospital and Walgreens.

That tiny hospital may have dropped the ball somewhat, but they were thrust into a superstars circle of deception...And how is walgreens supposed to know those prescriptions were for Prince?...also his ratty ass estranged family that he obviously did not associate with, are doing such a public service by once again chasing the money...I have grown to hate them and that freakin Tyka with her flaming hot cheetos needs to CRAWL BACK UNDER THE ROCK SHE LIVED UNDER UNTIL 4/21/2016

Yeah, going after the hospital and pharmacy is just another money grab. If they really want to get to the bottom of it then where is the lawsuit against Kirk and Phaedra for deleting emails and documents, thereby obstructing justice?

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

I wonder if Strawberrylove and LR were there with the FACEBOOK GROUP WHO KNEW HE HAD CANCER.

Perhaps Mulefunk was there peddling the last shithole pages of his book ( the one buried in the Sahara) that purports the never ending struggle alongside the BLM contra the "man".

What a way to die. Cancer and getting knocked off by the "man" all in one damn week.


I need a drink.

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Laura has said some very unkind things about people on the Org. She is up to her usual antics over on LA.

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Her and I butted heads a few times. She defended Tyka, Phaedra, Sheila & Van Jones.........saying what wonderful people they are and everything they do (or did) for Prince.

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Whatever, really!

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I'm giving all those leeches one big side-eye!!

You wanna know what she said over there regarding suicide and Prince's son? "If he didn't have a problem taking Amiir off of life support, he wouldn't have a problem with suicide." Something of that nature. When I read that, I was about to smash the screen of my laptop to little pieces. Laura fits the pattern of certain people who called themselves Prince's friends, it's seems like she has no soul.

NotACleverName said:

Just saw this on StarTribune site - http://www.startribune.co...480578161/ Prince family suing IL hospital and Walgreens. How will they win this? Every step of the way Prince refused most med treatment availed to him. When a patient refuses help, how can an institution be held liable? [Edited 4/23/18 15:29pm]

What is it saying, I've used up my free views from the Star Tribune.

Instead of doing something, anything to the associates who was a player in the game, they sue the IL hospital and a pharmacy? WTH the pharmacy?

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I remember how some people on here (Especially LR) gave me shit for saying that Tyka is lying her ass off!

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Yup! Her and I were going at it like two Bulls in a ring! Made me sick how she was giving Tyka and other's high-praises!

It's too bad she ain't here right now, 'cause I'd love to say: "I TOLD YOU SO."

cloveringold85 said:

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Laura has said some very unkind things about people on the Org. She is up to her usual antics over on LA.

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Her and I butted heads a few times. She defended Tyka, Phaedra, Sheila & Van Jones.........saying what wonderful people they are and everything they do (or did) for Prince.

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Whatever, really!

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I'm giving all those leeches one big side-eye!!

She's STILL defending them? How can anyone defend them now after the documents were released?