Menes said:

precioux said:

Is it just me?? I don't think it's a coincidence AT ALL that JH said EXACTLY what came out of Tyka's mouth...JH said "Prince said he did all he came to do..."

I'm calling BS with Tyka. She was not even close to Prince, and probably asked JH what he hadsaid duringthe plane incident. I do NOT think that Prince said this same exact line to his sister 2 years prior. Maybe Tyka's dinosaur whispered it in her ear

Right you are! Know what's worse? Those who defended her because she was so "loving" to her brother. Where are those defenders now? Most of them can't define love , let alone claim Tyka of all people, "loved" her brother.

If YOU are a recovering addict, you will see clear signs of behavior resembling addiction. YOU, did nothing.

If YOU have verbally publicized messages as if you understood that your brother was "DYING" , yet neglected to intervene in his death spiral, that means YOU had knowledge of the problem. Your willful negligence makes YOU just as guilty as anyone else who saw it happening.

If YOU allowed the public to think( FOR TWO YEARS) that it could be anything else other than your brother was afflicted with a disease called addiction, then YOU are just as sinister. It clearly points to a mindset of someone devoid of a moral compass that some of the idiots in here have bestowed upon her.

She never really changed her jealous vitriolic sentiments for Prince. The reality is that it has always been tempered by his financial support . Sucks to be YOU. Sucks to be the people who supported your claim that YOU had the "answers'. What a joke .

I said it once on this thread, I say it twice: The only truth in her statement was that she waited for her brother to die. $$$

luv4u said:

Interesting that prizefighter says prince did not buy the drugs, someone bought them for him, and got the fentanyl pills on accident or on purpose...just interesting that that is her take from the inside of all of this...that she even suggests the on purpose theory is interesting from someone that obviously knows a lot

Menes said:

precioux said:

Is it just me?? I don't think it's a coincidence AT ALL that JH said EXACTLY what came out of Tyka's mouth...JH said "Prince said he did all he came to do..."

I'm calling BS with Tyka. She was not even close to Prince, and probably asked JH what he hadsaid duringthe plane incident. I do NOT think that Prince said this same exact line to his sister 2 years prior. Maybe Tyka's dinosaur whispered it in her ear

Right you are! Know what's worse? Those who defended her because she was so "loving" to her brother. Where are those defenders now? Most of them can't define love , let alone claim Tyka of all people, "loved" her brother.

If YOU are a recovering addict, you will see clear signs of behavior resembling addiction. YOU, did nothing.

If YOU have verbally publicized messages as if you understood that your brother was "DYING" , yet neglected to intervene in his death spiral, that means YOU had knowledge of the problem. Your willful negligence makes YOU just as guilty as anyone else who saw it happening.

If YOU allowed the public to think( FOR TWO YEARS) that it could be anything else other than your brother was afflicted with a disease called addiction, then YOU are just as sinister. It clearly points to a mindset of someone devoid of a moral compass that some of the idiots in here have bestowed upon her.

She never really changed her jealous vitriolic sentiments for Prince. The reality is that it has always been tempered by his financial support . Sucks to be YOU. Sucks to be the people who supported your claim that YOU had the "answers'. What a joke .

I defended her, but I will not any longer.

In fact I'm wondering if SNJ might not be as bad as they are made out to be in the Estate thread.

Dibblekins said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im looking at the the drug analysis records and these Watson 853's were so inconsistent..

Some only contained hydrocodone.

Some only contained Lidocaine.

Some contained Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

Perhaps the documents clarify - I haven't yet read them all - but it would be interesting to know if each distinct 'type' of Watson 853 was stored in a separate bottle / space, so for example (and these are just hypotheticals):
.

All Watson 853s containing only hydrcodone kept in the Bayer bottle;
.
All Watson 853s containing Fentanyl kept in the jewellery box.

.

Or were they completely muddled-up, thereby a Russian Roulette type affair every time he took one.

They were in fact separated into the different bottles.

For example, the Bayer bottle contained Fentanyl and Lidocain

The Aleve bottle contained only Lidocaine.



The 15 found in the jewelry box contained Fentanyl and Lidocain.

The second search showed the same. They Lidocain only pills were separate from the Fentanyl and Lidocain pills.

MMJas said:

jtfolden said:

Remember the little private memorial they had at PP just after he passed away?

The investigators confirmed that someone accessed Prince's computer and gmail account on 04/23/2016 and deleted all of his emails prior to 04/19/2016. So at least as far as deleting things off the computer, she was telling the truth.

[Edited 4/22/18 17:39pm]

This bothers me. Even if you delete stuff from the computer there are ways of accessing it, aren't there? Surely the Police could have done that.
Ûnless they did and realized what was deleted and shredded was personal stuff in order to ensure Prince's privacy and not something incriminating.

From my understanding, Google/Gmail said that the backups are on international servers that do not have to answer US warrants. I am completely paraphasing here.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Correct and shocking...if anyone is interested, they can read the drug analysis in the NYT docs - https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html - pgs 152 - 153 / Items 173 - 174

This inconsistency w/the "ingredients" would have been very confusing and caused some serious issues. Prince may have taken 2 of the illicit Hydro and because there was no pain relieving properties in them (and could send the body into unintended/unwanted withdrawal), taken 2 the next time and was then overwhelmed w/the Fentanyl.

Menes said:

precioux said:

Is it just me?? I don't think it's a coincidence AT ALL that JH said EXACTLY what came out of Tyka's mouth...JH said "Prince said he did all he came to do..."

I'm calling BS with Tyka. She was not even close to Prince, and probably asked JH what he hadsaid duringthe plane incident. I do NOT think that Prince said this same exact line to his sister 2 years prior. Maybe Tyka's dinosaur whispered it in her ear

Right you are! Know what's worse? Those who defended her because she was so "loving" to her brother. Where are those defenders now? Most of them can't define love , let alone claim Tyka of all people, "loved" her brother.

If YOU are a recovering addict, you will see clear signs of behavior resembling addiction. YOU, did nothing.

If YOU have verbally publicized messages as if you understood that your brother was "DYING" , yet neglected to intervene in his death spiral, that means YOU had knowledge of the problem. Your willful negligence makes YOU just as guilty as anyone else who saw it happening.

If YOU allowed the public to think( FOR TWO YEARS) that it could be anything else other than your brother was afflicted with a disease called addiction, then YOU are just as sinister. It clearly points to a mindset of someone devoid of a moral compass that some of the idiots in here have bestowed upon her.

She never really changed her jealous vitriolic sentiments for Prince. The reality is that it has always been tempered by his financial support . Sucks to be YOU. Sucks to be the people who supported your claim that YOU had the "answers'. What a joke .

Thank you for that, Menes!

And...she has the NERVE to try to sue for wronful death...even more of a joke

Dibblekins said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im looking at the the drug analysis records and these Watson 853's were so inconsistent..

Some only contained hydrocodone.

Some only contained Lidocaine.

Some contained Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

Perhaps the documents clarify - I haven't yet read them all - but it would be interesting to know if each distinct 'type' of Watson 853 was stored in a separate bottle / space, so for example (and these are just hypotheticals):
.

All Watson 853s containing only hydrcodone kept in the Bayer bottle;
.
All Watson 853s containing Fentanyl kept in the jewellery box.

.

Or were they completely muddled-up, thereby a Russian Roulette type affair every time he took one.

Yes, some of them were mixed as there was a note that in some cases they tested more than one pill in a bottle as very close inspection revealed slight differences. So it seems very much like a case of Russian roulette. This would not only explain why Prince felt better/worse from day to day but ALSO why Prince wouldn't understand the problem was coming from the pills - he knew how his body reacted to the legitimate medicine, he didn't know the counterfeit pills contained something far more dangerous.

paulludvig said:

Kind of odd that Kirk told Mani that he had cleared PP of all medication and even alcohol it seems to keep P safe, but still when the police arrived the place was full of pills.

I can't remember if I saw much in the way of alcohol in the photos but I thought Kirk's comment was odd given how many pills they found - the only thing I can think of is that Kirk cleared the "business/public side" of the building and not the private residence. I'd also think Prince would object to Kirk going through his personal belongings...

Check this out....I googled Kirk's address, and there is the black Cadillac SUV, pulling out of the garage! This image is from August, 2014.

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https://www.google.com/ma...93.5761088

.

.

^^^^This one, of course, we all know!!

.

[Edited 4/23/18 14:11pm]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^^^^just makes me smh ...not fair to P
It is now kind of obvious why they did not speak...they had to get together to get the story to be told straight.

PeteSilas said:

naw, that family just is simple and dysfunctional, the only thing notable about them is some dna they share. Prince had little in common with those simpletons other than his wierd way of interacting with the world. none of em seem to worldly or smart. pity the music doesn't go to brighter people. Jimi hendrix's dad didn't deserve his legacy either, he was an asshole who made jimi the screwup he was, at any rate, he was a dummie too who was swindled out of all jimi's shit and it took a billionaire to get it back for him.

Menes said:

Right you are! Know what's worse? Those who defended her because she was so "loving" to her brother. Where are those defenders now? Most of them can't define love , let alone claim Tyka of all people, "loved" her brother.

If YOU are a recovering addict, you will see clear signs of behavior resembling addiction. YOU, did nothing.

If YOU have verbally publicized messages as if you understood that your brother was "DYING" , yet neglected to intervene in his death spiral, that means YOU had knowledge of the problem. Your willful negligence makes YOU just as guilty as anyone else who saw it happening.

If YOU allowed the public to think( FOR TWO YEARS) that it could be anything else other than your brother was afflicted with a disease called addiction, then YOU are just as sinister. It clearly points to a mindset of someone devoid of a moral compass that some of the idiots in here have bestowed upon her.

She never really changed her jealous vitriolic sentiments for Prince. The reality is that it has always been tempered by his financial support . Sucks to be YOU. Sucks to be the people who supported your claim that YOU had the "answers'. What a joke .

There are no family members that had insite or verbalized anything like she did. She remains a succubus to this day. I don't need to mirco-analyze how dysfunctional his family was. I have enough proof of how she lived, what she said, and what she has done thereafter. If people cant see thru that wretched rose colored glass , then they deserve to be lead around with hooks in their nostrils .

It's no different than some of the seasoned posters who succumbed to some of the most incredulous ideas posted around here. As in the: "WB murder for hire, the man did it, the resurrection, the rapture, his faith wouldn't allow it, Prince in hiding, Tidal hit men...did I miss any? It was always anything but addiction. To absurd and abstract for those caught up in their own feelings. Mention that word and you would think that the 11th commandment had been broken. Apparently a lot of the adults in here have ZERO life experiences, and therefore, can not fathom such things.

Lastly, those who transferred their undying love for Prince, could not, and to this day, can not come to terms with that fact that he was an addict... It's always something else.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

naw, that family just is simple and dysfunctional, the only thing notable about them is some dna they share. Prince had little in common with those simpletons other than his wierd way of interacting with the world. none of em seem to worldly or smart. pity the music doesn't go to brighter people. Jimi hendrix's dad didn't deserve his legacy either, he was an asshole who made jimi the screwup he was, at any rate, he was a dummie too who was swindled out of all jimi's shit and it took a billionaire to get it back for him.

There are no family members that had insite or verbalized anything like she did. She remains a succubus to this day. I don't need to mirco-analyze how dysfunctional his family was. I have enough proof of how she lived, what she said, and what she has done thereafter. If people cant see thru that wretched rose colored glass , then they deserve to be lead around with hooks in their nostrils .

It's no different than some of the seasoned posters who succumbed to some of the most incredulous ideas posted around here. As in the: "WB murder for hire, the man did it, the resurrection, the rapture, his faith wouldn't allow it, Prince in hiding, Tidal hit men...did I miss any? It was always anything but addiction. To absurd and abstract for those caught up in their own feelings. Mention that word and you would think that the 11th commandment had been broken. Apparently a lot of the adults in here have ZERO life experiences, and therefore, can not fathom such things.

Lastly, those who transferred their undying love for Prince, could not, and to this day, can not come to terms with that fact that he was an addict... It's always something else.

Amen, Menes...it's almost like their love for Prince taints them with the same core personality trait of an addict: DENIAL.

no, i have plenty of life experiences, it's just hard to believe prince, was so goddamned stupid that he'd go the same way they all go. I always thought there always had to be severe alternatives at the very least to not taking pain medication. It's the same thing with me studying my other heroes, muhammad ali was quoted by his daughter as "being team pacquiao" before the big mayweather fight, having studied that man like i did, i 1. doubted he'd even be able to verbalize those sentiments and 2. there is no way in hell ali would be stupid enough to make a pick like that, partially because he knew he his meaning to the boxing world and wouldn't want to be that undiplomatic and also because he would never pick against the black guy publicly. turns out i was right, his daughter like pacquaio and so she put words in his mouth, she later retracted.

so, if prince was taking them i still think there had to be real good reasons for him to be taking them and that he knew what he was doing and was ready to accept the consequences. I don't want to "accept" suicide either but that's a very live possibility, who od's and does the same shit a week later, and no, don't bring up your loser street junkies who want to die anyways, prince knew what was gonna happen, he told us in song, he had the breakdown, he went back home, he was done. Also, he was no coward so i doubt he worried much about it. I'm thinking his thoughts were more along the lines of great boxers who say "you push that body as far as it will go" I think that's a possibility too. but, there are still plenty people who just want to forget the whole thing, not look closer, not think, that's cool too.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

naw, that family just is simple and dysfunctional, the only thing notable about them is some dna they share. Prince had little in common with those simpletons other than his wierd way of interacting with the world. none of em seem to worldly or smart. pity the music doesn't go to brighter people. Jimi hendrix's dad didn't deserve his legacy either, he was an asshole who made jimi the screwup he was, at any rate, he was a dummie too who was swindled out of all jimi's shit and it took a billionaire to get it back for him.

There are no family members that had insite or verbalized anything like she did. She remains a succubus to this day. I don't need to mirco-analyze how dysfunctional his family was. I have enough proof of how she lived, what she said, and what she has done thereafter. If people cant see thru that wretched rose colored glass , then they deserve to be lead around with hooks in their nostrils .

It's no different than some of the seasoned posters who succumbed to some of the most incredulous ideas posted around here. As in the: "WB murder for hire, the man did it, the resurrection, the rapture, his faith wouldn't allow it, Prince in hiding, Tidal hit men...did I miss any? It was always anything but addiction. To absurd and abstract for those caught up in their own feelings. Mention that word and you would think that the 11th commandment had been broken. Apparently a lot of the adults in here have ZERO life experiences, and therefore, can not fathom such things.

Lastly, those who transferred their undying love for Prince, could not, and to this day, can not come to terms with that fact that he was an addict... It's always something else.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

There are no family members that had insite or verbalized anything like she did. She remains a succubus to this day. I don't need to mirco-analyze how dysfunctional his family was. I have enough proof of how she lived, what she said, and what she has done thereafter. If people cant see thru that wretched rose colored glass , then they deserve to be lead around with hooks in their nostrils .

It's no different than some of the seasoned posters who succumbed to some of the most incredulous ideas posted around here. As in the: "WB murder for hire, the man did it, the resurrection, the rapture, his faith wouldn't allow it, Prince in hiding, Tidal hit men...did I miss any? It was always anything but addiction. To absurd and abstract for those caught up in their own feelings. Mention that word and you would think that the 11th commandment had been broken. Apparently a lot of the adults in here have ZERO life experiences, and therefore, can not fathom such things.

Lastly, those who transferred their undying love for Prince, could not, and to this day, can not come to terms with that fact that he was an addict... It's always something else.

Amen, Menes...it's almost like their love for Prince taints them with the same core personality trait of an addict: DENIAL.

Damn skippy. And DENIAL, 'aint a river in Egypt.

Dibblekins said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im looking at the the drug analysis records and these Watson 853's were so inconsistent..

Some only contained hydrocodone.

Some only contained Lidocaine.

Some contained Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

Perhaps the documents clarify - I haven't yet read them all - but it would be interesting to know if each distinct 'type' of Watson 853 was stored in a separate bottle / space, so for example (and these are just hypotheticals):
.

All Watson 853s containing only hydrcodone kept in the Bayer bottle;
.
All Watson 853s containing Fentanyl kept in the jewellery box.

.

Or were they completely muddled-up, thereby a Russian Roulette type affair every time he took one.

I've read the lot and used NYT serach function for some revisits. As far as I can tell (and there's a lot so I could well be mistaken) it wasn't complete roulette. Bayer bottles had pills that mixed fentanyl and lidocaine. Aleve bottle had Lidocaine. There was a vitamin bottle that had pills with different ingredients - lidocaine and hydrocodone but the one he seemed attached to was the Bayer - it was in Moine as well. I would like to know the quantity of fentanyl in each watson 853 in the bayer bottle (and if they were at all consistent across the pills). They were tested for quantity at the DEA lab in Chicago but I haven't found the results. If he meant to take a legitimate watson 853 why didn't he take the hydrocodone/oycodone that Kirk got from Schulenberg and that were sitting in the briefcase?

I'm not sure who can read this report and not be completely disgusted with the 2 people who appear to be clearly obstructing justice. The other thing that stands out is the demeanor of these investigators. They appear to take "MN nice" to a new level--it's frustrating to listen to. It takes you until 2018 to get a statement from Sheila E? Really?

Whoever has the full audio recording of Theo (prince's chief of staff and tour manager, 2012-2015) needs to listen to the full recording (1 hour long). He seems very credible and honest.

He had MANY serious concerns which he reported to police. Where is the follow up on these concerns? Why are Phaedra and Kirk not forced to provide information?

• Theo was at PP on 4/21 and Kirk, Phaedra and Tyka were there busy cleaning a stain on the carpet (that was their top priority).
• On 4/21 Phaedra says, "We're gonna lock down PP and clean up and get rid of things".
• On 4/21 Phaedra says, we need to get to the bank and 'pay some bills'.
• On 4/21 Kirk says, who was on the his computer last? Phaedra says, 'I'll take care of it'--with a smirk.
• Claims Kirk has no backbone and is Phaedra's "puppet".
• Reports Phaedra responsible for accounts (i.e. NPG Music and Publishing) which had huge amount of missing money.
• Theo said on several occasions she would tell him she would "hack" into the computer of anyone that would not give her info that she needed because she is from Silicon Valley.
• Prince told Theo that Phaedra would properly "vet" anyone that would work for him by hacking their computers.
• Prince got mad at him for getting him Tylenol instead of something "stronger". He believed that others would get meds for him and it would be Phaedra, Kirk or Meron who would get them for him. He did not believe Prince would ever get them himself.

[Edited 4/23/18 14:34pm]

TheFreakerFantastic said:




I have read through all the 214 pages of the printed report, so before anyone comments or flames, i urge you to read it too.

I’m sorry to say this report just confirms my belief that the whole investigation was a hatchet job and was not done professionally or thoroughly enough, there are too many loose ends.

I think it’s insane that Paisley Park was not properly sealed off after his death for thorough investigation and staff were still able to walk around freely to potentially tamper with evidence.

But significanrtly, HOW ON EARTH CAN THE POLICE CLOSE THE INVESTIGATION WITHOUT FULL INTERVIEWS AND STATEMENTS FROM THE 3 PEOPLE CLOSEST TO HIM? KIRK JOHNSON, PHAEDRA LAMKINS AND MERON BEKURE!?

Below are some other points worthy of note, the page numbers correspond to the downloaded PDF taken from the NYT website: https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html

What was the unexplained liquid found in the elevator? It’s mentioned many times in the report but the test results are not mentioned.(P.108)

Why didn’t Prince have his own personal doctor and need to use Kirk’s (Dr. Schulenberg)? (P.126)

Tyka said she was unaware of any medical issues ‘he’ was having and he would not have told her anyway as he would not have wanted to worry or trouble her. (CONTRADICTS HER TV INTERVIEW WHEN SHE SAID SHE KNEW FOR YEARS SOMETHING WAS WRONG). (p.127)

One of Prince’s bodyguards, Chris Gaither, was bothered to hear Prince was found in the elevator. He said Prince hated the elevator and called it “the devil”. He said he’d see Prince take the stairs instead (however reading on, Judith Hill later says that he did use it a lot). (P.146)

Omarr Baker said he thought it strange when he noticed that while at PP., Kirk and Josh went for a private talk in an office to discuss what they would say to law enforcement.(p.149)

Omaarr claims that Manuela told him that Kirk had deleted files from Prince’s computer and Phaedra had shredded documents. What were these documents and why did no-one stop them? p.149

p.154 What was the "something else" in the ‘Bayer’ bottle that Judith alleges Prince told her

and Kirk about?

p.155 Why did prince wire $15,000 each to Susan Moonsie, Brenda Bennett and attempt to send to Appollonia, days before his death?

p.159 Why did Prince refuse all lab testing after the Moline incident?

p.167 Dr. Mancha from Rock Island, Illinois, asked Prince if he was suicidal to which he looked directly at her, made eye contact and said ‘Absolutely not!’

p.168 She also asked him if he needed help and and he told her “No, absolutely not”

p.168 Who accessed Prince’s twitter account on 08-24-16 to send a message to fans? Omarr reported it to police suspecting it could have been the same people sending messages around the time of his death, either Kirk or Meron?

p.169 Who is 'Stacy Littlejohn', the dealer Mani alleges Prince used in LA during their marriage and why couldn’t he/she be tracked down?

70% of emails and phone calls made from Prince’s landlines at PP in the last month of his life were to

Natalya Philips, a singer/songwriter from California. Who was/is she?

p.172-173

Missing bodyguard - apparently, Kirk told Omarr, Shaun Powell was the bodyguard who first found Prince but oddly it seems police didn’t manage to get hold of him and speak to him?! Surely speaking to the first on the scene is of paramount importance?

p.170.

According to Kiran Sharma when visiting PP after his death she was shown private WhatsApp messages. Phaedra/Kirk and Meron had been discussing on an encrypted WhatsApp chat. What were the contents of these messages?

p.175

What were the 8 garbage bags of shredded documents that Kiran and other eye witnesses said that Phaedra and Kirk had taken out after law enforcement left on 4/21?

p.175

Why the heck did the police not get a warrant sooner to take Prince’s laptop on 4-21?

An examination showed it was accessed on 4-23, the day of his memorial service. After obtaining a search warrant on Prince’s Google accounts they found no information prior to 4-19, suggesting content had been deleted!

p.175

WHY WASN’T THIS RECOVERED (OR OBTAINED VIA COURT ORDER) FROM GOOGLE?

(although I note that p.173 seems to imply it was held on servers outside the US jurisdiction and the preservation letter was received too late - June 2016)

Prince’s manager, Phaedra Lamkins and Meron Bekure, his PA, never provided a statement to law enforcement

p.177

Kirk only provided an initial statement but has refused all subsequent attempts to speak (p.192)

WHY WEREN’T THEY ARRESTED and QUESTIONED then?! Police are allowed to hold someone for questioning, without charge, for a set time limit I believe.

What were Kirk and Phaedra "cleaning” up inside Paisley Park, the same day he passed (after law enforcement had gone)?

p.180

Comments of Phaedra being ‘manipulative’, not paying band members and not following Dr’s advice to help Prince after the Moline incident. p.180/81

P.191 Sheila E. said she heard from someone (could not recall who) that Prince was found in his bedroom and that Kirk had dressed Prince and moved him to the elevator. When asked if it was true Kirk laughed and said “no” it was not true.

[Edited 4/23/18 13:46pm]

Yep, agreed - the police job seems provincially incompetent, especially around not taking the computer and leaving Paisley Park free for those closest to him to 'clean up'. Incompetent is the best option - the other is corrupt- but I'm not going there. I presume you can't make the inner 3 talk and that plus the computer blunder makes the case doomed really.

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Amen, Menes...it's almost like their love for Prince taints them with the same core personality trait of an addict: DENIAL.

Damn skippy. And DENIAL, 'aint a river in Egypt.

no denial here, if he was an addict, he was an addict, i was open from the beginning, although i wouldn't have like it. I'm the same way with MJ/Child Molestation, I don't WANT to believe he diddled with little hairless dicks but if someone comes out with some valid info, I'll look at it. I'm not one of you clowns who go "why can't we let him rest in peace, why can't it be just about the music" some people love ignorance, and ignorance has it's merits (bliss as they say) but I'm a guy who likes to look at minutiae, they said that's what brough nixon down, just not being able to let little things go, he had to get further into it, when he could have done what you do just said "i know nothing" and it would have dissappeared, some of us ain't built like that though, if you are, go pull your blankets over your head, shut your blinds and don't say anymore.

Tyka's statement begins on page 127. The most interesting revelation was in Item 33. It reads as follows (not verbatim):

Tyka was unaware of any medical issues Prince was having. Prince would NOT have shared that info as he would not want to worry or trouble her.

So, my question is, what is with the 2 year (or 3 year....she is not consistent with her timeline) "song" and "photo" Prince apparently sent her in which she interpreted he was dying. Also, didn't she mention a few close friends were sent this? No mention in the police reports/docs about this.

NotACleverName said:

Tyka's statement begins on page 127. The most interesting revelation was in Item 33. It reads as follows (not verbatim): Tyka was unaware of any medical issues Prince was having. Prince would NOT have shared that info as he would not want to worry or trouble her. So, my question is, what is with the 2 year (or 3 year....she is not consistent with her timeline) "song" and "photo" Prince apparently sent her in which she interpreted he was dying. Also, didn't she mention a few close friends were sent this? No mention in the police reports/docs about this.

also, if P had medical issues he wouldn't share with his own flesh and blood, he was suppossed to share them with doctors who we know he wouldn't trust? fuck that.

CatB said:

Always happens when someone speaks the truth too loudly. That's why these things can go on for so long. And afterwards everyone will tell you that "there were never any signs".

There is not only light, and especially when it came to Prince many didn't want to hear it. They kept killing the messenger.

That's why I gave up too.

Indeed CatB. I remember the bold. I also remember other orgers that had credible info and stopped posting after a while for the same reasons.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

During the second search of PP when the DEA went they found an additional 130 Watson 853's.

The total 853 Watson's found was 229+.

Thanks. Also the DEA believed (I am paraphasing) that the pills may have came from California as there were busts on presses there. I may be wrong on that. It was a late night when I got to that part.

nelcp777 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

During the second search of PP when the DEA went they found an additional 130 Watson 853's.

The total 853 Watson's found was 229+.

Thanks. Also the DEA believed (I am paraphasing) that the pills may have came from California as there were busts on presses there. I may be wrong on that. It was a late night when I got to that part.

I don't think they believed they came from California, only that was one possibility. In the end, after two years, no other pills surfaced exactly like these...

Disgusted? I'm outraged. I swear if I would live in the US, I'd hunt down their asses and slap them in the face. Seriously, they claim that P was their friend and yet they didn't do shit to really help him? I don't know about ya'll, but that's not how I'd treat my friends.

dreamer5 said:

I'm not sure who can read this report and not be completely disgusted with the 2 people who appear to be clearly obstructing justice. The other thing that stands out is the demeanor of these investigators. They appear to take "MN nice" to a new level--it's frustrating to listen to. It takes you until 2018 to get a statement from Sheila E? Really?

Whoever has the full audio recording of Theo (prince's chief of staff and tour manager, 2012-2015) needs to listen to the full recording (1 hour long). He seems very credible and honest.

He had MANY serious concerns which he reported to police. Where is the follow up on these concerns? Why are Phaedra and Kirk not forced to provide information?

• Theo was at PP on 4/21 and Kirk, Phaedra and Tyka were there busy cleaning a stain on the carpet (that was their top priority).
• On 4/21 Phaedra says, "We're gonna lock down PP and clean up and get rid of things".
• On 4/21 Phaedra says, we need to get to the bank and 'pay some bills'.
• On 4/21 Kirk says, who was on the his computer last? Phaedra says, 'I'll take care of it'--with a smirk.
• Claims Kirk has no backbone and is Phaedra's "puppet".
• Reports Phaedra responsible for accounts (i.e. NPG Music and Publishing) which had huge amount of missing money.
• Theo said on several occasions she would tell him she would "hack" into the computer of anyone that would not give her info that she needed because she is from Silicon Valley.
• Prince told Theo that Phaedra would properly "vet" anyone that would work for him by hacking their computers.
• Prince got mad at him for getting him Tylenol instead of something "stronger". He believed that others would get meds for him and it would be Phaedra, Kirk or Meron who would get them for him. He did not believe Prince would ever get them himself.

[Edited 4/23/18 14:34pm]

dreamer5 said:

Dreamer....do you have a link to the audio! I only read the police report from the NYT article - https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html - pgs 179 - 181. He revealed a lot/appeared credible, but I think the printed interview might not include all of what he said. Comparatively, 3 pgs of text vs a 1 hr interview seems a bit skewed. Thanks in advance!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im looking at the the drug analysis records and these Watson 853's were so inconsistent..

Some only contained hydrocodone.

Some only contained Lidocaine.

Some contained Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

That is what makes them so dangerous. Perhaps P had legit Vicodin and his source mixed up street vicodine with legit. This explains how he had Lidocaine along with fentanyl in his system. Unfortunately, he grabbed the wrong pill. I believe he waited till Kirk and Meron left. At some point, he took a pill, could have contained only licodaine. If it hydrocodine, he would not have taken another. The first pill did not work, took a second with lidocaine and fentanyl. Got in the elevator, leaned up against the wall, started drooling and succumbed to the drugs. Pure speculation on my end.

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

They found a baggie in the dumpster at PP that came back positive for Ecstasy.

But that could have come from anyone.

Also, P had his hip surgery in Texas.

Seriously? Ecstasy?

Dont buy the Black Album. Sorry had to say it.

shednz said:

Dibblekins said:

Perhaps the documents clarify - I haven't yet read them all - but it would be interesting to know if each distinct 'type' of Watson 853 was stored in a separate bottle / space, so for example (and these are just hypotheticals):
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All Watson 853s containing only hydrcodone kept in the Bayer bottle;
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All Watson 853s containing Fentanyl kept in the jewellery box.

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Or were they completely muddled-up, thereby a Russian Roulette type affair every time he took one.

I've read the lot and used NYT serach function for some revisits. As far as I can tell (and there's a lot so I could well be mistaken) it wasn't complete roulette. Bayer bottles had pills that mixed fentanyl and lidocaine. Aleve bottle had Lidocaine. There was a vitamin bottle that had pills with different ingredients - lidocaine and hydrocodone but the one he seemed attached to was the Bayer - it was in Moine as well. I would like to know the quantity of fentanyl in each watson 853 in the bayer bottle (and if they were at all consistent across the pills). They were tested for quantity at the DEA lab in Chicago but I haven't found the results. If he meant to take a legitimate watson 853 why didn't he take the hydrocodone/oycodone that Kirk got from Schulenberg and that were sitting in the briefcase?

...because he preferred Fentanyl...

PeteSilas said:

no, i have plenty of life experiences, it's just hard to believe prince, was so goddamned stupid that he'd go the same way they all go. I always thought there always had to be severe alternatives at the very least to not taking pain medication. It's the same thing with me studying my other heroes, muhammad ali was quoted by his daughter as "being team pacquiao" before the big mayweather fight, having studied that man like i did, i 1. doubted he'd even be able to verbalize those sentiments and 2. there is no way in hell ali would be stupid enough to make a pick like that, partially because he knew he his meaning to the boxing world and wouldn't want to be that undiplomatic and also because he would never pick against the black guy publicly. turns out i was right, his daughter like pacquaio and so she put words in his mouth, she later retracted.

so, if prince was taking them i still think there had to be real good reasons for him to be taking them and that he knew what he was doing and was ready to accept the consequences. I don't want to "accept" suicide either but that's a very live possibility, who od's and does the same shit a week later, and no, don't bring up your loser street junkies who want to die anyways, prince knew what was gonna happen, he told us in song, he had the breakdown, he went back home, he was done. Also, he was no coward so i doubt he worried much about it. I'm thinking his thoughts were more along the lines of great boxers who say "you push that body as far as it will go" I think that's a possibility too. but, there are still plenty people who just want to forget the whole thing, not look closer, not think, that's cool too.

Menes said:

There are no family members that had insite or verbalized anything like she did. She remains a succubus to this day. I don't need to mirco-analyze how dysfunctional his family was. I have enough proof of how she lived, what she said, and what she has done thereafter. If people cant see thru that wretched rose colored glass , then they deserve to be lead around with hooks in their nostrils .

It's no different than some of the seasoned posters who succumbed to some of the most incredulous ideas posted around here. As in the: "WB murder for hire, the man did it, the resurrection, the rapture, his faith wouldn't allow it, Prince in hiding, Tidal hit men...did I miss any? It was always anything but addiction. To absurd and abstract for those caught up in their own feelings. Mention that word and you would think that the 11th commandment had been broken. Apparently a lot of the adults in here have ZERO life experiences, and therefore, can not fathom such things.

Lastly, those who transferred their undying love for Prince, could not, and to this day, can not come to terms with that fact that he was an addict... It's always something else.

But Pete, come on now...Prince was his own man who was lead by none, and was never easily convinced or swayed to do otherwise. Stupidity has nothing to do with it.

This personality type was on display time and time again. This is indeed a very extreme person. Coupled that with addiction... all bets are off.

His was a journey based on duality and ambiguity. He lived by doing what he said, and often, not what he was doing. It was all part of the allure.

You mentioned " a real good reason he was taking them" . Yes! He was addicted. It matters not why/when he started...what matters most, is that he burned a trail figuring out two things:(1) How to consistently get more of it thru channels that are unconventional;(2) How to remain undetected. These are classic behavioral traits created by "self". I certainly don't believe Prince only took "meds" when he felt pain. Someone should be publicly stoned if they believe that. Addicts don't dabble in self-control. What he did not bargain for is his inability to relinquish said substances on command. It never works out that way. Therein lies the conundrum known as failure.