jjam said:

I'll try and put this nicely, but Laura could do with getting a life.

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That's putting it very nicely, indeed.

DD55 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, but if she knew Prince had a problem, she should have intervened and try to help him; not just be a bystander and do nothing.

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Afterall, he helped her get off drugs. Maybe she did try to help him; but it does not appear that way.

This is what bothers me the most when I think about that they didn't help him. Yes he could be difficult to deal with but he was also helping those who needed help. And then when he needed some help no one seemed to care.

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Maybe they just could not deal with his headstrong ways? He knew he could always rely on Kirk, because he would do whatever he asked. Prince's former assistant Crystal said she quit because she knew he had a problem and she wasn't going to be one of his enablers.

The thing is, we'll never really know who knew it. I mean, obviously Sheila, Kirk and who are the others? I mean, a lot of people can say: "Well, I didn't know about it." And what can we do to prove otherwise? Should we sit here and just declare everyone guilty of enabling? This is my concern, because I don't believe that every single person that worked with him knew what was going on.

Purplebflogirl said:

Every single person who had knowledge of his problem should feel incredibly guilty.But by the looks of the Celebration pictures they look happy. And once this information was given to the family they all should of been removed from appearing at the Celebration.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Dr. Schulenberg is lucky; only had to pay a 30K fine, which is pocket-change for a doctor! I always give people the benefit of the doubt, and I'm sure he was only trying to help Prince, but he took a big risk writing Rxs in Kirk's name, knowing they were for Prince.

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I think he regrets that now -- he even said, he never wanted to be a celebrity doctor.

Do we really think this was the only time dr S wrote a prescription for prince via Kirk? I wonder if they even checked to see what prescription had been written for Kirk over the years?

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If he was doing that, then he took a very big risk and could lose his license to practice medicine. I know there are crooked doctors out there that "supply" rock stars and celebrities with whatever they need, but I hope Dr. Schulenberg wasn't one of those.

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

This is what bothers me the most when I think about that they didn't help him. Yes he could be difficult to deal with but he was also helping those who needed help. And then when he needed some help no one seemed to care.

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Maybe they just could not deal with his headstrong ways? He knew he could always rely on Kirk, because he would do whatever he asked. Prince's former assistant Crystal said she quit because she knew he had a problem and she wasn't going to be one of his enablers.

You know, if he would've asked me to get some pills for him under my name, I would've called the cops, I bet Kirk wasn't the only one who did it for him so maybe others would've talked too then?

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ThatWhiteDude said:

NotACleverName said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

You can't even imagine how bad they're all gonna look before the dust settles...and to think, they were members of the Lucky DNA Club and all they had to do was keep a low profile, buy a flaming cheeto factory if that was their hearts' desire or launch a singing career and spend money they had NOTHING to do with earning, living off creativity they had NOTHING to do with, receiving attention and accolades they didn't deserve, etc, etc, etc. But it's all OK...there IS a great God...and everything happens by itself. As for Prince? He's Resting in Peace far away from pain, sorrow and his revolting relatives.

PREACH! And Amen....

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Prince always knew his real family were his loving fans. Sad to say, but we all probably love him more than some of his family members.

Rocksdalocks said:

What exactly did Mani post on FB in 2011 that people didn't believe???

http://prince.org/msg/7/353953

Purplebflogirl said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

The thing is, we'll never really know who knew it. I mean, obviously Sheila, Kirk and who are the others? I mean, a lot of people can say: "Well, I didn't know about it." And what can we do to prove otherwise? Should we sit here and just declare everyone guilty of enabling? This is my concern, because I don't believe that every single person that worked with him knew what was going on.

That's why I said every person who had knowledge..We know Kirk & Sheila did.. And they were there IMHO all the fake " I miss him so much" crap is nauseating.

I always thought something's wrong with Kirk, but I was shocked about the thing Sheila did.

Rocksdalocks said:

rogifan said:

DD55 said:

Penny, you are totally correct, it’s all public record. They probably released it all at once because they knew they would be filling FOIL requests for years to come. So they put it all out there in stead of having full time staff spend time releasing it bit by bit.

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Like I said I don’t care that it’s public record. I wish it wasn’t. What public good is coming from this? All it’s doing is making fans more sad/angry/sick to their stomach. It certainly isn’t providing closure. The stupid family lawsuit doesn’t help matters. I’m just glad Prince isn’t here to see his private struggles available as a zip file for anyone to download.

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Don't you think there is good coming out of all of this? The liars and scammers are being exposed.

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No one ever wanted to see this, but Prince is no longer here because people wanted to protect his privacy.

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In reality, had Prince got himself into treatment years ago, he would have been better off -- and none of his business would be out there right now.

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But, I look at all of this as a blessing from God above, because all these liars and thieves are being exposed for who they truly are. God works in mysterious ways.

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That's how I look at it.

ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Maybe they just could not deal with his headstrong ways? He knew he could always rely on Kirk, because he would do whatever he asked. Prince's former assistant Crystal said she quit because she knew he had a problem and she wasn't going to be one of his enablers.

You know, if he would've asked me to get some pills for him under my name, I would've called the cops, I bet Kirk wasn't the only one who did it for him so maybe others would've talked too then?

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I would not want to ever be in a position where my Boss asks me to do something that is illegal. I don't think I would call the Police, but I would get in touch with a treatment center and get their advice on what to do. I dunno.....it's a sticky situation.

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

You know, if he would've asked me to get some pills for him under my name, I would've called the cops, I bet Kirk wasn't the only one who did it for him so maybe others would've talked too then?

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I would not want to ever be in a position where my Boss asks me to do something that is illegal. I don't think I would call the Police, but I would get in touch with a treatment center and get their advice on what to do. I dunno.....it's a sticky situation.

It really is. Yeah maybe calling to cops would be too harsh.....

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kmama07 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

The thing is, we'll never really know who knew it. I mean, obviously Sheila, Kirk and who are the others? I mean, a lot of people can say: "Well, I didn't know about it." And what can we do to prove otherwise? Should we sit here and just declare everyone guilty of enabling? This is my concern, because I don't believe that every single person that worked with him knew what was going on.

Understood. There is also the bottom line "personal accountability" factor. Prince spiraled out of control with his pill issue. He sadly chose to continue down the spiral. I don't disagree at all that people around him knew what the hell was going on. Some more than others; perhaps some not at all. And It would be nice to think the people who did know weren't ALL enablers riding the gravy train. But there is yet another side to this coin...it doesn't matter how much or how hard one tries to help an addict. If the person with the addiction isn't ready for the help he/she needs, nothing is going to work for that person. No matter how many well intentioned people they are surrounded by. On the flip side, as an addict it's becomes very easy to hold the well-intentioned at arms length while keeping those close to you who either turn a blind eye to your actions...or join you for the ride. Sad but true. I speak to this as a recovering FUNCTIONING alcoholic (I add functioning because I think it's importNt to clarify I believe Prince was a functioning addict). I'm thankfully now Six years sober. It's not easy. Trust me, I knew ALL the tricks. Booze, pills, food, sex, money...whatever the addiction, it's all the same game. [Edited 4/23/18 17:47pm] [Edited 4/23/18 17:52pm]

Thank you for your brave and generous post. ...and congratulations on your sobriety.

cloveringold85 said:

i'm not trying to be preachy or holier-than-thou here. but i don't think Prince would want us all to hate on the people in his circle and in his family.

in my family we have an alcoholic who has been disrupting familoy gatherings for all of us for years. she drinks until she blacks out, calls family members nasty things, steals alcohol from other family members, and absolutely refuses to stop drinking. when confronted she blames others for her drinking problem.

a couple of years ago (after trying interventions, confrontations, and saying "please, please" to get her to stop drinking to extreme excess we sent her a group letter setting it out in black and white: "we are worried about you. we are afraid you will die. please stop drinking."

this only resulted in her pushing all of us away. she will. not. stop. drinking. she chose alcohol over her family.

given this real life personal scenario (still playing out in my family) i don't think anyone could have forced Prince to stop taking opiates.

i don't think the members of Prince's inner circle are all innocent of culpability but i doubt any of them are as evil as we might think they are. for all we know some of them did try to get him help.

i think Prince would want us to show mercy and compassion in the name of L4OA. just my 2c

XxAxX said:

i'm not trying to be preachy or holier-than-thou here. but i don't think Prince would want us all to hate on the people in his circle and in his family.

in my family we have an alcoholic who has been disrupting familoy gatherings for all of us for years. she drinks until she blacks out, calls family members nasty things, steals alcohol from other family members, and absolutely refuses to stop drinking. when confronted she blames others for her drinking problem.

a couple of years ago (after trying interventions, confrontations, and saying "please, please" to get her to stop drinking to extreme excess we sent her a group letter setting it out in black and white: "we are worried about you. we are afraid you will die. please stop drinking."

this only resulted in her pushing all of us away. she will. not. stop. drinking. she chose alcohol over her family.

given this real life personal scenario (still playing out in my family) i don't think anyone could have forced Prince to stop taking opiates.

i don't think the members of Prince's inner circle are all innocent of culpability but i doubt any of them are as evil as we might think they are. for all we know some of them did try to get him help.

i think Prince would want us to show mercy and compassion in the name of L4OA. just my 2c

I hear ya, but after reading the files, the way Kirk acted doesn't make it look like he was concerned about Prince's condition. It rather looks like he didn't give a damn about his "dear friend". I don't hate on every associate, because as I said it before, I don't believe they're all as bad as Kirk. And Sheila telling Judith to lie and saying they could lawyer her up doesn't make her look good too.

I do hope that there are associates who really loved Prince, even if it's just two of them, speak up and show it.

I don't think I'll be able to forgive Kirk, Meron, Sheila and this other woman for what they did.

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cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

XxAxX said:

jtfolden said:

shednz said:

Exactly. While the respiratory retardation might have been "accidental" the choice to take fentanyl doesn't appear to be, from my reading.

I'm not sure what you mean... it seems pretty clear that Prince didn't know there was Fentanyl in only specific pills and he had absolutely no way of nowing one pill from another just by looking at them. The lgitimate pills, the counterfeit with lidocaine, and the counterfeit with lidocaine and fentanyl all looked the same.

He knew because the pills in the Bayer bottle were all of one type - fentanyl and licodaine; and the pills in the Aleve bottle were all licodaine. If he was actually after hydrocodone/oxycodone, as the counterfeit pills were marked, he could have taken legitimate versions of those - a bottle written out to Kirk was there - they had just got them from Walgreens. That's my understanding of events having gone through all the documentation on the NYT website. Of course, noone alive really knows, well maybe Kirk. But that's just my reading of the evidence. Which parts of the evidence makes you think he was actually after real watson 853s and took the fentanyl thinking it was hydrocodone?