MMJas said:

jtfolden said:

Remember the little private memorial they had at PP just after he passed away?

The investigators confirmed that someone accessed Prince's computer and gmail account on 04/23/2016 and deleted all of his emails prior to 04/19/2016. So at least as far as deleting things off the computer, she was telling the truth.

[Edited 4/22/18 17:39pm]

This bothers me. Even if you delete stuff from the computer there are ways of accessing it, aren't there? Surely the Police could have done that.
Ûnless they did and realized what was deleted and shredded was personal stuff in order to ensure Prince's privacy and not something incriminating.

that is my understanding, that's how they catch all these idiots who delete kiddie porn.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Disch: Some here may have "posited" he was deathly ill but there's not a lick of information in this report that supports that. There's no record of doctors visits (or even a regular doctor) other than the few Dr S visits, no prescribed medications other than the Dr S stuff, nothing. And this deathy illness apparently whizzed right by the doctors in Moline and Dr S, who made no mention of it (and of course Prince apparently didn't mention this supposed terminal illness to Dr S either, even though Prince was voluntarily visiting him to get relief from his various complaints, and that might be pertinent info. Prince did disclose his hip surgery and even his wisdom-teeth removal to him).

The PERFECT refutation of the illness theory in a nutshell!!!!!

He didn't have any other health problem, it was simply addiction. The only pain he mentioned to the Drs. was pain in his hands and possibly arm, paperwork showed he was having a slight back problem and was working with a chiro.

Now I'm not saying the addiction didn't start with his hip when he had surgery. You also notice him walking in and out of Dr. S office the night before, there was no limp, and no cane.

No cancer, no leukemia, no AIDS, no hepititis. Mulefunk might have to rewrite his book.

ok, here's where my confusion is coming in...correct me if I'm wrong.

Supposedly the results of the blood that was taken on 4/20 by Dr. S were forwarded straight to the ME, although the detective had requested the results. In other words, the results were purposefully forwarded to the ME so that it did not get in the detective's hands...BUT somewhere on here ISLIJAG stated there was dilaudid in Prince's system on 4/20 . Since I have not completed the documents I do not want to misspeak. Were the results that were revealed (dilaudid) only pertaining to a possible urinalysis or was this part of the bloodwork? If it was not part of the bloodwork, and rather a urinalysis-was the bloodwork results from 4/20 ever revealed or did the ME keep that under lock and key to this day. The tests from 4/20 were not part of the autopsy, but was compared to the autopsy results...so I'm thinking it should have been revealed in the ocuments,no?

Rebeljuice said:

When files are deleted from a computer they can be restored by data recovery software that is readily available on the market. Especially if it has recently been deleted and was one of the last tasks performed on the computer.

However, if Prince accessed his Gmail account through his browser and his emails were deleted through the browser, then the deleted files are not on his computer and are rather on the Google servers. It may be possible to retrieve the info through broweser caches, but the best way would be to approach Google with a warrant and ask to see the deleted emails. google keep backups of accounts on their servers. Not sure why this was not done.

too much work, he's just another junkie remember?

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

Uh-NO.

That's what pain killers are for, to take away pain. [Edited 4/23/18 11:09am]

You are living in denial about this case.

precioux said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-prince-friends-dahleen-glanton-20180420-story.html Prince's "friends" were enablers

“But sometimes enablers don’t care about you at all..they want you to be so dependent on them that you always keep them around.” - perfect defenition oh KJ. Maybe we should’ve LISTENED to prizefight (order on here that was in the immediate circle at one time,but lasted maybe a week before getting bullied off) Prizefight told it like it was -but certain ones here couldn’t handle it...NOW, everything prizefight said has come to fruition in

what did prizefight say, i'll search his handle.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

What strikes me as very odd is that according to the report, Prince didn't have his own doctor (Schulenberg was Kirk's doctor). Surely someone of his status should have his own physician who knows him inside out? It seems that either he was mistrustful of his details getting out, or more likely, he wasn't taking good enough care of himself. I do believe this probably would have been prevented if he had someone insist they look after him, but that said he also pushed people away and would probably fire someone for contradicting him.

I still can't get over the fact these files and transcripts have been released....it seems so weird that all the 'suspects' can read what others had said about them to the police, what happened to interviewee confidentiality?! How will people react to each other now, knowing what has been said about them by a supposed 'friend' to the police?!

Usually these kind of things are blocked for say 50/70 years until the risk of offence or reprisals has gone. It's intetesting to read of course but it seems somewhat negligent, not to mention tactless.

[Edited 4/23/18 9:08am]

simple answer: they do not GAF!

it's all about riding the post mortem purple gravy train now.period.

PeteSilas said:

MMJas said:

This bothers me. Even if you delete stuff from the computer there are ways of accessing it, aren't there? Surely the Police could have done that.
Ûnless they did and realized what was deleted and shredded was personal stuff in order to ensure Prince's privacy and not something incriminating.

that is my understanding, that's how they catch all these idiots who delete kiddie porn.

The emails were over a cloud server. By the time police got the computer, then contacted google to retrieve the deleted emails it was June, and google had already deleted them off the server. Additionally, the emails were stored on a server outside US jurisdiction so did not come under any US search warrant. BIG mistake the cops not taking the computer when they first come across it - they discuss regretting this oversight.

Whether disease was the focus of their investigation (and it would certainly be highly relevant to understand why he sought drugs and absolutely have criminal implications for medical malpractice and what not), disease would definitely come up incidentally -- in his medical records, inventorying his drugs, witness statements. Cancer, AIDS, etc are never mentioned by anyone. Dr S examined him and saw noted no evidence of anything like that.

-

I don't believe at all that the full autopsy contains a bombshell like that, that went unmentioned not only in the autopsy summary and in all of the investigation docs. In the investigation there are a number of references to the autopsy, the medical examiner's findings etc. Again, no cancer, AIDS etc. discussed.

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

I agree with you. But the folks who are positing "deathly illness" are alluding to conditions like cancer, AIDS -- not solely addiction.

and why not? cops don't try to find illness, they try to find someone to take to jail, the autopsy would have all of that info to shut us up but that will be sealed for 30 years in that backwater state.

Im looking at the the drug analysis records and these Watson 853's were so inconsistent..

Some only contained hydrocodone.

Some only contained Lidocaine.

Some contained Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

precioux said:

“But sometimes enablers don’t care about you at all..they want you to be so dependent on them that you always keep them around.” - perfect defenition oh KJ. Maybe we should’ve LISTENED to prizefight (order on here that was in the immediate circle at one time,but lasted maybe a week before getting bullied off) Prizefight told it like it was -but certain ones here couldn’t handle it...NOW, everything prizefight said has come to fruition in

Thanks for reminding me of prizefight precioux.

But prizefight wasnt bullied off off this site...in fact prizefight was a strong person, and could hold their own.

Prizefight told me he/she was leaving because the org wasnt ready to hear the truth.

Yes, prizefight is a strong person....and no, they were not ready for the truth, hence we never heard from prizefight again.

80tomato said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Thanks for reminding me of prizefight precioux.

But prizefight wasnt bullied off off this site...in fact prizefight was a strong person, and could hold their own.

Prizefight told me he/she was leaving because the org wasnt ready to hear the truth.

WOW!!! I just read the input by Prizefight ...this thread Part 3 pages 40 ish...They knew exactly what was going on and surmises that P died of neglect

precioux said:

ok, here's where my confusion is coming in...correct me if I'm wrong.

Supposedly the results of the blood that was taken on 4/20 by Dr. S were forwarded straight to the ME, although the detective had requested the results. In other words, the results were purposefully forwarded to the ME so that it did not get in the detective's hands...BUT somewhere on here ISLIJAG stated there was dilaudid in Prince's system on 4/20 . Since I have not completed the documents I do not want to misspeak. Were the results that were revealed (dilaudid) only pertaining to a possible urinalysis or was this part of the bloodwork? If it was not part of the bloodwork, and rather a urinalysis-was the bloodwork results from 4/20 ever revealed or did the ME keep that under lock and key to this day. The tests from 4/20 were not part of the autopsy, but was compared to the autopsy results...so I'm thinking it should have been revealed in the ocuments,no?

The urine sample taken by Dr. S showed hyrdrocodone and dilaudid.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im looking at the the drug analysis records and these Watson 853's were so inconsistent..

Some only contained hydrocodone.

Some only contained Lidocaine.

Some contained Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

He probably had a couple of different batches and threw them all together because he thought they were all the same, that's probably why some days he felt good and some days he felt bad. And then he wondered what was going on.

They found a baggie in the dumpster at PP that came back positive for Ecstasy.

But that could have come from anyone.

Also, P had his hip surgery in Texas.

shednz said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

They found a baggie in the dumpster at PP that came back positive for Ecstasy.

But that could have come from anyone.

Also, P had his hip surgery in Texas.

Seriously? Ecstasy?

PennyPurple said:

I had a brother who was addicted to percosets and xanax. Same thing he had a back injury at work and it turned into a addiction. There were times when he would call me that his speech was slurred and you could barely understand him. Other than that you would never know about his addiction. My question is no one has said that about Prince that i have read about. Correct me if i am wrong. Just curious since his inner circle and others said they did not know about his addiction. Also did anyone listen to Larry Graham's interview? He said he visited Prince on 4-18 and they never discussed the emergency landing. When first asked about their relationship he says friend and spiritual brother. So Mr Graham doesnt even ask him about it per him. What kind of friend is that?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

precioux said:

“But sometimes enablers don’t care about you at all..they want you to be so dependent on them that you always keep them around.” - perfect defenition oh KJ. Maybe we should’ve LISTENED to prizefight (order on here that was in the immediate circle at one time,but lasted maybe a week before getting bullied off) Prizefight told it like it was -but certain ones here couldn’t handle it...NOW, everything prizefight said has come to fruition in

Thanks for reminding me of prizefight precioux.

But prizefight wasnt bullied off off this site...in fact prizefight was a strong person, and could hold their own.

Prizefight told me he/she was leaving because the org wasnt ready to hear the truth.

apparently people are pulling up the threads where prizefight posted, curious whether everyone else will agree with you on "prizefight was not bullied off"....because even though she was strong, she was basically drug the f**k out of here, and knew what she was bringing up would and did cause a sh^i scene. Or maybe she wasn't "bullied", rather reported to the mods by enough people that she was banned for "speaking the truth"?....either way, I still agree with her exiting statement to you when she said "they're not ready for the truth".

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

You are living in denial about this case.

? Your point was that P not limping in the last video at Dr Schulenberg's office indicated that he didn't suffer from hip pain. But if he was using pain meds that would alleviate the pain, wouldn't it. Isn't that the point with pain meds? [Edited 4/23/18 12:34pm]

Look he may have started using pain meds for hip pain, but never did he tell the Dr.S that he had hip pain. He complained of pain in his hands, arm, seeing a chiro for back. He evidently didn't stop the meds from his hip replacement.

If you don't believe this then start reading the documents.

Yes the point of pain meds is to relieve pain, and the point of Tide Pods is to clean clothes....get it?

People don't always use them the way they are supposed to.

MMJas said:

80tomato said:

MMJas ,I actually put the name Prizefight in the Google custom search box on the top of this page and a bunch of threads came up with the word prizefight ...the one where they respond is from June 27 2017 ?

That was the thread in which I said Prince was a functioning addict and Laura nearly bit my head of, i think.

*

Prizefight said, and i quote: "He had a withdrawal in 2010 after surgery. He wrote a song about it. Because he was on meds for so long the withdrawal was gradual paranoia etc. Prince being more extra Prince. Its when he started riding his bike everywhere. Behaviour like that. Withdrawal doesn't always look the same for people who use until the the body starts reacting (vomiting shakes pain etc) thats usually a normal course. Endorphins have been overtaxed so then the nervous system takes a dip and your whole system goes nuts. He wasn't going through withdrawals in my opinion he was overdosing and had no idea. I'm sure he nor those around him told the doctors exactly what he was on because the either didnt know the pills were mislabelled or they knew. I'm not sure. Definitely don't trust anyone."

*

Remember the incident with the percocet withdrawal symptoms running around PP naked complaining he was hot, right after his hip surgery, in 2010, which was mentioned in the report?

*

She also said:

"Just from looking at pictures I would guestimate other issues (either same hip or the other one) started manifesting as of 2012/13 on. Someone I know assisted him after surgery. Then other people came in and did not take care of him or monitor him. As far as I know, he passed away due to enablers, accidental drug purchase or on purpose? and non-care. There was obviously no one there to tell him to rest and eat. He kept going, probably because he felt scared. There was something wrong at least a year prior. If he was taking fentanyl and no percocet which he was used to, then that started a different host of problems. If you look at him 2010-12, he's in good form. Pay attention to his skin and under eyes and cane usage. After 2012 you can see changes and not just from ageing."

"He treated people poorly so that made people less sympathetic towards his pill use."

"To say something when the plane goes down is TOO LATE. To not keep him in the hospital is TOO LATE. And I know many people here would say "Well if I was there..." The fact is probably not. He did allow these people in, for a reason. Very few would have stood up. I know of only two and they were dismissed."

"

My point is this - is it your job to do something illegal for anyone? No. Do we have a responsibility to each other as humans to do the right thing? I guess that depends on your moral compass and belief systems. But in the regular world, I guess, no, right? Everyman for himself.

Prince set it up that way. And if someone didn't do his bidding someone else would. So, in that respect you are correct. Would you rather do the right thing and not have a paycheck or be a willing enabler?

Prince could also be manipulated and handled. Very few people did that. Theres more to say on the subject but it would be a moot point at this time."

"I agree with all that you've said except yes the inner circle knew it was bad. Severe. As early as ten years ago".

it is illegal to prescribe meds in another person's name. Its been done for years with him.

Coming down the first time from opiod use after the surgery is what prompted "The Breakdown""

"Please allow me to clarify. He was a complicated man he wasn't a saint and he wasn't all Sinner. But he wasn't a person that should be placed on a pedestal as someone who didn't do wrong. He did plenty wrong. But he was also full of light and generosity. It was sometimes given to the wrong people. We are all nuanced individuals and he was great and terrible. Don't discount the good stuff but don't overlook what reality was. He was also an addict. Due to pain but still an addict."

I wonder who Prizefight is...

[Edited 4/23/18 10:45am]

...and there you have it. Thanks for reposting

TheFreakerFantastic said:

What strikes me as very odd is that according to the report, Prince didn't have his own doctor (Schulenberg was Kirk's doctor). Surely someone of his status should have his own physician who knows him inside out? It seems that either he was mistrustful of his details getting out, or more likely, he wasn't taking good enough care of himself. I do believe this probably would have been prevented if he had someone insist they look after him, but that said he also pushed people away and would probably fire someone for contradicting him.

I still can't get over the fact these files and transcripts have been released....it seems so weird that all the 'suspects' can read what others had said about them to the police, what happened to interviewee confidentiality?! How will people react to each other now, knowing what has been said about them by a supposed 'friend' to the police?!

Usually these kind of things are blocked for say 50/70 years until the risk of offence or reprisals has gone. It's intetesting to read of course but it seems somewhat negligent, not to mention tactless.

[Edited 4/23/18 9:08am]

it's called "don't give a fuck"

PennyPurple said:

tmo1965 said:

disch said:

ha yes Prince emailed his assistant to have the cook use a different cooking oil because prince was concerned about "adrenal gland fatigue" as the cause of his health concerns -- but, what, he didn't connect those concerns to his terminal cancer/AIDS diagnosis?

[Edited 4/23/18 7:37am]

After reading some of the investigation documents, it's a sure thing that Prince had a Rx drug issue and that's what killed him. I see no evidence of there being any other illness. There were reports of him being severely anemic at the time of his death, and some where saying that it was sure sign of cancer or AIDS, but Dr. S told investigators that the only problem on his blood work was a very slight anemia that was not enough to do anything about. So let's just accept the fact that Prince died from drug addiction.

depends on what they were testing/looking for. I once asked my docs about some prescription medicine back when i was wanting to be a fighter, they said that they won't even look for it, they'd be looking for steroids and other drugs. And.., recently, i had my doc test for my cholesterol (came back high) but although there was lots of info, nothing about testosterone which is the next thing i wanted checked because i don't feel good. all depends what tests they run.

precioux said:

MMJas said:

That was the thread in which I said Prince was a functioning addict and Laura nearly bit my head of, i think.

*

Prizefight said, and i quote: "He had a withdrawal in 2010 after surgery. He wrote a song about it. Because he was on meds for so long the withdrawal was gradual paranoia etc. Prince being more extra Prince. Its when he started riding his bike everywhere. Behaviour like that. Withdrawal doesn't always look the same for people who use until the the body starts reacting (vomiting shakes pain etc) thats usually a normal course. Endorphins have been overtaxed so then the nervous system takes a dip and your whole system goes nuts. He wasn't going through withdrawals in my opinion he was overdosing and had no idea. I'm sure he nor those around him told the doctors exactly what he was on because the either didnt know the pills were mislabelled or they knew. I'm not sure. Definitely don't trust anyone."

*

Remember the incident with the percocet withdrawal symptoms running around PP naked complaining he was hot, right after his hip surgery, in 2010, which was mentioned in the report?

*

She also said:

"Just from looking at pictures I would guestimate other issues (either same hip or the other one) started manifesting as of 2012/13 on. Someone I know assisted him after surgery. Then other people came in and did not take care of him or monitor him. As far as I know, he passed away due to enablers, accidental drug purchase or on purpose? and non-care. There was obviously no one there to tell him to rest and eat. He kept going, probably because he felt scared. There was something wrong at least a year prior. If he was taking fentanyl and no percocet which he was used to, then that started a different host of problems. If you look at him 2010-12, he's in good form. Pay attention to his skin and under eyes and cane usage. After 2012 you can see changes and not just from ageing."

"He treated people poorly so that made people less sympathetic towards his pill use."

"To say something when the plane goes down is TOO LATE. To not keep him in the hospital is TOO LATE. And I know many people here would say "Well if I was there..." The fact is probably not. He did allow these people in, for a reason. Very few would have stood up. I know of only two and they were dismissed."

"

My point is this - is it your job to do something illegal for anyone? No. Do we have a responsibility to each other as humans to do the right thing? I guess that depends on your moral compass and belief systems. But in the regular world, I guess, no, right? Everyman for himself.

Prince set it up that way. And if someone didn't do his bidding someone else would. So, in that respect you are correct. Would you rather do the right thing and not have a paycheck or be a willing enabler?

Prince could also be manipulated and handled. Very few people did that. Theres more to say on the subject but it would be a moot point at this time."

"I agree with all that you've said except yes the inner circle knew it was bad. Severe. As early as ten years ago".

it is illegal to prescribe meds in another person's name. Its been done for years with him.

Coming down the first time from opiod use after the surgery is what prompted "The Breakdown""

"Please allow me to clarify. He was a complicated man he wasn't a saint and he wasn't all Sinner. But he wasn't a person that should be placed on a pedestal as someone who didn't do wrong. He did plenty wrong. But he was also full of light and generosity. It was sometimes given to the wrong people. We are all nuanced individuals and he was great and terrible. Don't discount the good stuff but don't overlook what reality was. He was also an addict. Due to pain but still an addict."

I wonder who Prizefight is...

[Edited 4/23/18 10:45am]

...and there you have it. Thanks for reposting

re the bolded above: this is another aspect that draws hate and outrage whenever it is brought up here as if the ONLY thing that was keeping Prince isolated was childhood trauma, being a misunderstood musical genius...whatever. What is now being openly discussed is how many of his nearest and dearest used and took advantage of him. I don't think it is ONLY about his wealth and fame. I believe he treated many people poorly and there was a lot of resentment simmering under the surface. For prizefight to state this so clearly and powerfully says a lot...and she would know.

voph said:

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

Look he may have started using pain meds for hip pain, but never did he tell the Dr.S that he had hip pain. He complained of pain in his hands, arm, seeing a chiro for back. He evidently didn't stop the meds from his hip replacement.

If you don't believe this then start reading the documents.

Yes the point of pain meds is to relieve pain, and the point of Tide Pods is to clean clothes....get it?

People don't always use them the way they are supposed to.

He went to the doctor to complain about something he wasn't used to, new ailments. Hip pain had been part of his life for close to ten years at least. That's why he had been using the meds. He didn't need to talk to the doctor about that.

No of course he didn't, because he was using drugs that he wasn't supposed to. He told the Dr he had a hip replacement and had his WT taken out though. If he were using legally prescribed medicine correctly he'd still be here...and that is the truth. Like it or not.

voph said:

Prince’s murder does not add up. He had prescriptions at home. He went to Walgreens to get a new prescription. Prince did not need to get street drugs because if he wanted he could get it from a Doctor. I believe like many the pills were planted. Why are some of you so willing to believe what you are being told when it’s right there in your face. The investigators are saying Prince thought he was taking a Vicodin but the pill was LACED with Fentanyl. That means someone wanted Prince dead. The case is closed for right now but can be reopened. No one finds it’s strange how Kirk Johnson, Judith Hill, Tyka Nelson, Merune Berke and a few more people that their stories don’t add up. Plus the connections to some of these people like Van Jones and Merune Berke. This stinks and I believe Prince was murdered to get access to his vault music, music catalog and other reasons I will not go into. Sheila E and Mayte Garcia, I see now why Prince kept his distance from them. Money, Greed, lovers scorn, revenge, JEOLOSY, Power. It’s not over. [Edited 4/23/18 12:57pm]

Prince wasn't murdered.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

precioux said:

ok, here's where my confusion is coming in...correct me if I'm wrong.

Supposedly the results of the blood that was taken on 4/20 by Dr. S were forwarded straight to the ME, although the detective had requested the results. In other words, the results were purposefully forwarded to the ME so that it did not get in the detective's hands...BUT somewhere on here ISLIJAG stated there was dilaudid in Prince's system on 4/20 . Since I have not completed the documents I do not want to misspeak. Were the results that were revealed (dilaudid) only pertaining to a possible urinalysis or was this part of the bloodwork? If it was not part of the bloodwork, and rather a urinalysis-was the bloodwork results from 4/20 ever revealed or did the ME keep that under lock and key to this day. The tests from 4/20 were not part of the autopsy, but was compared to the autopsy results...so I'm thinking it should have been revealed in the ocuments,no?

The urine sample taken by Dr. S showed hyrdrocodone and dilaudid.

? to the highlighted?