KoolEaze said:

Ok, apologies in advance if this was suggested already, but I haven't read through the dozens of posts. I usually hate these conspiracy theories, but this just dawned on me:

HitnRun Phase 1 starts with a snippet of For You, the very first song of his very first album under his name.

HitnRun Phase 2 ends with him shouting "That's it!", followed by a long pause.

... which makes me think:

Was he aware that he didn't have long to live when he started the HitnRun project? I am convinced that this project was meant to be a 4-album project, spanning his career from 1999 until 'now'. The 4 images (cover art?) on his Twitter account hints on this, as well.

... but did he feel somewhere midway releasing the albums that he was rapidly running out of time and therefore decide to incorporate the "That's it!" snippet at the end of the second CD? ... whereas the pause suggests that there was more to come.... just not with him alive anymore?

Was the HitnRun project meant as his final gift, his Magnum Opus, to us?

[Edited 6/6/16 8:19am]

andymacfunky said:

I don't believe that Prince (blessed are we by his memory) anticipated his imminent death. I think he would leave both a will and instructions for his legacy (The Vault, Paisley Park). I'm genuinely surprised that there were no instructions as to what to do on his death, maybe some will come to light, maybe they have been disposed of. Probably Prince simply did not anticipate / plan for it, despite starting his biography. The mystery is part of the joys Prince gave us.

Anecdotally, this reinforces my opinion that his death was not anticipated in any immediate sense. For a man who controlled virtually every visible aspect of his life - music, releases, contracts, interviews, artist development, etc. - it is highly counter-intuitive that he would leave HIS MUSIC - the only thing he wanted to talk about with outsiders - to chance after his death. Ditto Paisley Park.

That said - there is a lot of speculation out there that a will exists without any proof that a will exists.

Ugh. Conundrum.

mailaccount63 said:

andymacfunky said:

I don't believe that Prince (blessed are we by his memory) anticipated his imminent death. I think he would leave both a will and instructions for his legacy (The Vault, Paisley Park). I'm genuinely surprised that there were no instructions as to what to do on his death, maybe some will come to light, maybe they have been disposed of. Probably Prince simply did not anticipate / plan for it, despite starting his biography. The mystery is part of the joys Prince gave us.

From what I understand, and from what I have heard and read, Prince hated contracts. Wills are contracts. So why is anyone surprised that he didn't leave a Will? He hated contracts. Also, Prince was a smart man. Prince was also in excrutiating pain. When you are in that much pain, it is exhausting. When someone dies without a Will, the state makes up one for you. Prince knew his estate was/is massive, and would be complicated to unravel. Prince knew there would probably be claims against his estate. Actually probate is nothing to fear. The people who try to sell you trust schemes preach about how probate is to be feared. It's a bunch of baloney. Prince was in so much pain, I don't believe he had the strength to unravel his estate. The good people that work in the probate court will take care of Prince's estate for him. Prince loved Minnesota - he said so several times. The people of Minnesota love/d Prince. The Probate Court will take care of Prince's estate. Look at what they have done so far. The Court has appointed Bremer Trust to be the Administrator of Prince's estate. This was a good move by the Court. See the thread: "The Eztate" for tbe status of the Estate.

He hated contracts *with others* that usurped his control over that which the contract governed. A will is contract that the maker makes with him/herself with TOTAL control over the disposition of items contained therein.

You are, of course, entitled to your own interprestation, but everything I've read indicates otherwise. Just my speculative $.02 here.

thatGIRLthang said:

thatGIRLthang said:

(Well, then its been 4 days of me unable to take in food.)

OZ was mid feb...

RenaRF said:

mailaccount63 said:

andymacfunky said: From what I understand, and from what I have heard and read, Prince hated contracts. Wills are contracts. So why is anyone surprised that he didn't leave a Will? He hated contracts. Also, Prince was a smart man. Prince was also in excrutiating pain. When you are in that much pain, it is exhausting. When someone dies without a Will, the state makes up one for you. Prince knew his estate was/is massive, and would be complicated to unravel. Prince knew there would probably be claims against his estate. Actually probate is nothing to fear. The people who try to sell you trust schemes preach about how probate is to be feared. It's a bunch of baloney. Prince was in so much pain, I don't believe he had the strength to unravel his estate. The good people that work in the probate court will take care of Prince's estate for him. Prince loved Minnesota - he said so several times. The people of Minnesota love/d Prince. The Probate Court will take care of Prince's estate. Look at what they have done so far. The Court has appointed Bremer Trust to be the Administrator of Prince's estate. This was a good move by the Court. See the thread: "The Eztate" for tbe status of the Estate.

He hated contracts *with others* that usurped his control over that which the contract governed. A will is contract that the maker makes with him/herself with TOTAL control over the disposition of items contained therein.

You are, of course, entitled to your own interprestation, but everything I've read indicates otherwise. Just my speculative $.02 here.

Listen when you are given employment with companies big or small you fill out paperwork listing who your next of kin is and who gets your last check,insurance, etc.

Prince was a member of ASCAP and the Screen Actors Guild. If at anytime in history he signed anything with them it should be there.

He got in touch with Dez after 12 years. It does make one think.

Welcome2daRevolution said:

Mumio said:

EloiseEloise said:

thatGIRLthang said:

Yes, he knew. He did prepare those whom he has near. When he told me, I said I would fly out to Australia Shows....in a heart beat...he said no, put those money in gold instead girl, I need you to build me an empire when I return. Always full of humor ...the last thing he said to me was hello. Simply hello (and my name). I answered him hallo Prince, and asked how he was doing...to which he never replied, then I told him it was the real Nisan 14 now and he should celebrate. jewish calendar. 13th month. He did commemorate our Messiah....to the fullest.

YES YES YES YES!!!! I can not believe how many people have disregarded/overlooked thatGIRLthang's comments. She posted emails, she can be tracked to FB, it's clear by messages on her FB page that she KNEW Prince. She KNEW him. I have never doubted what she said for one single minute. And yes, I believe Prince knew what was coming too.

[Edited 6/5/16 13:19pm]

I would love to hear more from her on this if she is willing.

MadamGoodnightTwo said:

He got in touch with Dez after 12 years. It does make one think.

yes, and Dez has said he will never discuss what was talked about. If it was just an old time catch up call, I sure he would have said as much. There is something that is not right. Not saying he had a terminal illness, but something is missing.

CROWNS1 said:

rogifan said:

CROWNS1 said:

yes, and Dez has said he will never discuss what was talked about. If it was just an old time catch up call, I sure he would have said as much. There is something that is not right. Not saying he had a terminal illness, but something is missing.

It was a private conversation. Why should he tell the media what it was about?

I don't think anyone said he should, but since you went there. He chose to tell the media he talked to P after not hearing from him in 12 years and then followed that up with "I'm not going to tell you what we talked about". Dez put it out there. If he didn't want anyone to know, he shouldn't have opened up the conversation. IMO

CROWNS1 said:

rogifan said:

CROWNS1 said: It was a private conversation. Why should he tell the media what it was about?

I don't think anyone said he should, but since you went there.... HE chose to tell the media he talked to P after not hearing from him in 12 years and then followed that up with "I'm not going to tell you what we talked about". Dez put it out there. If he didn't want anyone to know, he shouldn't have opened up the conversation. One of my pet peeves when someone dangles the carrot. IMO

CROWNS1 said:

It's all going to come out at some point. People will eventually talk, right now it's too fresh, but in time things will come out. Might be better for the family to get in front of it.

Yes agree with you. I think a lot of us Prince fans and supporters don't have closure because alot of us feel in our spirit we are not getting all the information, and why are we not getting this info? Prince has unfortunately passed on. So why can't we know the Truth since are all connected to him thru his music. He played because he loved it - he was music, but he also played for us. We are still connected to him, even after death our bonds to Prince will never be severed. I just wanna know what the heck happened. I am not in denial on anything that has been reported, but come on now that are alot of holes in the reporting and story, and his family and friends and inner circle are not saying a word. Maybe they are asked to refrain from comments a month and 3 weeks after his death.

Man...

FunkyFingers said:

it's really strange that they cremated him so soon

Not really. I believe the family was attempting to protect Prince's privacy. This way, no after-death photos could be taken and distributed, as has been done with other celebrities. Prince greatly valued his privacy. This way, his ashes can be put somewhere quietly - OR can be put somewhere at PP later, with a monument for all to see and/or visit. Something had to be done with the body asap after autopsy, to prevent any health issues to those living. I, too, was at first shocked by the speed that this was done. But the more I have thought about it, the more I believe Tyka did the right thing. She seems to have someone very wise/practical advising her.

[Edited 6/19/16 12:03pm]

CROWNS1 said:

It's all going to come out at some point. People will eventually talk, right now it's too fresh, but in time things will come out. Might be better for the family to get in front of it.

Agreed. Sooner or later, somebody talks - be it for 15 minutes of fame, or for money - sooner or later, somebody talks.

username00 said:

KoolEaze said:

The plans to write an autobiography, the save your prayers remark, the sometimes autobiographical and sentimental anecdotes during the shows, the lack of a band and focus on just him and his piano (his first instrument when he was a kid), and the let bygones be bygones attitude lately (meeting Susan Moonsie, Apollonia, Brenda, even Jill Jones again).

All this gave me a bit of a eerie feeling before he died, like he was entering a new phase.

But I don´t think he was expecting to die soon. Van Jones said Prince had a lot of plans for the future.

Indeed. It made it seem as if he was putting things in order and straightening it out closing one phase for the next....On the surface it looked like he was working on himself as a person through emotions, relationships (friends & work) and music. Now it appears that he was trying to buy up some time too and that he was no longer free in his own house nor the head of the household. So saddening that it became this infernal for him between 2015 & 2016. Hopefully the truth gets revealed, his name cleared up and his dignity restored with the immense respect and love that he deserves. Gone too soon but never forgotten. [Edited 6/6/16 7:06am]

At this point, I think we know all that we'll ever know and, I daresay, all we need to know about Prince's passing...and probably more than he would want us to know. With regard to his name and dignity, both are intact. Over four decades, Prince built an irrevocable legacy that can NEVER be denied. How he died is unfortunate, but stuff happens. Bottom line: Prince was arguably the greatest musical talent to ever live. EVER. So, I don't think we need to worry about his name...except for his apparent lack of an estate plan providing for the handling of his music and Paisley Park. That is my greatest worry.

Something that made me pause and wonder about Prince was his song REVALTION. It seemed so full of hope, that Prince was getting close to being with someone,

Then a couple of weeks back I heard an extended version of 'REVALATION,' and my heart sank. Where the first part seemed hopeful and loving, the exteded version with the instrumental addition was devastating. How can and instrumential addition sound devastating? Someone else may interpret it differently but what I heard in that last blast of instruments, was anger, sorrow, frustration, all the feelings one would feel if someone crashed your favorite thing and U no longer had the chance to hold it or show it respect or love.

Princes' music is always wonderrful but that extended instrumental was screaming all kinds of disappointment. I hate the thought but it gave me the impression that either someone he trusted gave him bad medicine, or someone was negectful in advising how and when to administer medication. He seemed to know he was going down and that exteded part of Revalation says lots to me. I don't know where I found it, but will post it if I find it again.

It's been a real life changer, not only because it took Prince to another realm, but I get the feeling that there are many who are still hurting and will not find closure until we know what happened. If someone deliberately killed our man, Prince who was a beautiful soul, kind, loving and caring for all the Souls in the World. He wanted and hoped that we would reach paradise together. In my eyes, Prince is the greatest artist that our generations will ever be so lucky to have been a part of along with the joyous ride Prince gave us on his journey.

luvparade said:

Kara said:

luvparade said:

Something that made me pause and wonder about Prince was his song REVALTION. It seemed so full of hope, that Prince was getting close to being with someone,

Then a couple of weeks back I heard an extended version of 'REVALATION,' and my heart sank. Where the first part seemed hopeful and loving, the exteded version with the instrumental addition was devastating. How can and instrumential addition sound devastating? Someone else may interpret it differently but what I heard in that last blast of instruments, was anger, sorrow, frustration, all the feelings one would feel if someone crashed your favorite thing and U no longer had the chance to hold it or show it respect or love.

Princes' music is always wonderrful but that extended instrumental was screaming all kinds of disappointment. I hate the thought but it gave me the impression that either someone he trusted gave him bad medicine, or someone was negectful in advising how and when to administer medication. He seemed to know he was going down and that exteded part of Revalation says lots to me. I don't know where I found it, but will post it if I find it again.

You must be talking about the version of "Revelation" from the April 19, 2015 Paisley Park show. It began with the studio version playing, then Prince started playing guitar over it, and then the band joined in. The recording has been circulating since last November... http://prince.org/msg/7/420329

Thank U. I'll admit possibly missing this when he first played it. Hearing it for the first time, after Prince passed, made me think it was a recent addition. Thanks for the info, something still sounds like something went wrong at the end of the extended version... wrong as in: the song wouldn't be fulfilled or lost it's meaning idk. There'll always be unsolved mysteries regarding Prince.

It hurts but I too have had this same thought. He first looked ill to me at the 2015 Grammy's but I never put two and two together until now - all of the points you mentioned below being key. I don't believe he was using fentanyl for hip pain. Fentanyl is typically reserved for the extreme pain experienced by someone who is terminally ill.

FunkyFingers said:

It would make sense being he was very ill the last week the hospital visit in moline the frequent trips to walgreens the appearance at paisley concert the comments made about save ur prayers a couple days then to b left alone at paisley park the day he died Prince always had security with him which leaves me to think he knew he was dying

dJJ said:

I think there was more going on than we knew. As usual.


He was seen in a wheelchair. He was walking with his cane. He was touring sitting behind the piaon, with little movement. Cycling, not walking. He was touring big time, living life the fullest.

He probably has been suffering from chronic pain in his hips.

It was his choice to keep his physical suffering from us. He kept it private. I don't think he expected to leave the earth so soon. But it was clear he was in pain.

sounds logical. I guess we won't know the fully autopsy report for the next 30 years.

[Edited 6/20/16 12:53pm]

1contessa said:

dolphinkiing23 said:

he couldve been terminal..but i'd always picture a terminal person not being able to ride a bike.. and would need assistance and not being left alone.. this whole situation is just so fucking mysterious... and i hate that..

Paul McCartney's former wife, Linda had cancer and rode her horse the day before she died. So it is possible.

Ironic isn't it, knowing that being mysterious was Prince's way of life.

[Edited 6/20/16 12:54pm]

derrick31 said:

Prince knew something. I believe he had another illness unrelated to his hip issues. His live performance over the past two years were very sporadic with lots of days or weeks in between shows. The Hit n Run tour started and stopped abruptly, the Piano and Microphone tour had long breaks between shows, he returned to Paisley after shows instead of moving onto other cities, and he was now living there. The memoir thing is a dead giveaway. It was set to be out next year. Does anyone who has followed Prince really believe he wanted to answer questions about his personal life for the next twenty or thirty years after it was published? I don't know if the rumors on less credible websites are true, but as a life long Prince follower I just believe in my heart there was something really wrong with Prince over the past couple of years. I'm really sad. I'm going to miss Prince so much. I had seen him perform every year since 1991 with the exception of this year. There was no one like this man live and I doubt there will ever be. [Edited 4/23/16 9:25am]

Hi Derrick, I was planning on attending a show this year when he came to Philadelphia. What were the shows like for those who could not attend? By the videos I've seen on Youtube, looks like people never sat down.

Over the years, what differences did you notice in his performances?

I am shocked too that he is gone. I have been watching his LIVE performances since he passed. I feel we lost a man that can not be replaced. My favorite performance besides the Musicology tour, is the Brit Awards when he sang "Fury". Wow, that video is so energizing. Really miss him too.

FlyOnTheWall said: