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Reply #240 posted 05/15/16 10:39pm

Tami3121

However he died and if he was sick or in pain.......I just like to think of him now being held in God's arms. heart

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Reply #241 posted 05/16/16 8:48am

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I don't know what to think, just have to wait for news. But there are some odd things as mentioned here. Another is that if you look at his Instagram posts made over the last couple of months, starting and finishing with blank posts, they form his symbol shape. This took a couple of months to make but was completed with his final post.


I noticed that. He posted my artwork as a massive post it's right underneath where the symbol shape started and I always wondered why the picture above mine was so small it now unfortunately makes sense.
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Reply #242 posted 05/16/16 9:09am

1contessa

So many questions are running through our minds because this all happened very fast. One day, Prince's plane is making an emergency landing, and it's reported that he was unresponsive on it and had to be rushed to the hospital, and the next, he's saying that he's fine and to save your prayers, and others that have spoken to him says that he told them he's completely fine, and not to worry, only to find out that he found dead in an elevator a few days later......WTH!!!!!! Now, some are saying that he was on drugs for years due to pain, while others say that he never touched drugs.....which is it??? If he was on drugs for years and taking them for pain, apparently he knew what to take, why would he overdose suddenly? Why did he die so quickly? Was there something going on that no one knew about except him, and perhaps a selective few around him? What did the doctors that treated him know, because we do know that he supposedly went to the doctor recently? Did he know that he didn't have long to live, and was that the reason for his melancoly and the way some say he was acting on stage? Who the hell knows, with so many things going on? This is just too much! All of these questions and no answers!

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Reply #243 posted 05/16/16 9:14am

purplegirl00

1contessa said:

So many questions are running through our minds because this all happened very fast. One day, Prince's plane is making an emergency landing, and it's reported that he was unresponsive on it and had to be rushed to the hospital, and the next, he's saying that he's fine and to save your prayers, and others that have spoken to him says that he told them he's completely fine, and not to worry, only to find out that he found dead in an elevator a few days later......WTH!!!!!! Now, some are saying that he was on drugs for years due to pain, while others say that he never touched drugs.....which is it??? If he was on drugs for years and taking them for pain, apparently he knew what to take, why would he overdose suddenly? Why did he die so quickly? Was there something going on that no one knew about except him, and perhaps a selective few around him? What did the doctors that treated him know, because we do know that he supposedly went to the doctor recently? Did he know that he didn't have long to live, and was that the reason for his melancoly and the way some say he was acting on stage? Who the hell knows, with so many things going on? This is just too much! All of these questions and no answers!

I know. It is maddening, but unfortunately, it will still be some time before the answers come out. Even then we may not get the full picture only what the media drops out. hug

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Reply #244 posted 05/16/16 9:19am

1contessa

^^So true purplegirl00, and so disheartening.

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Reply #245 posted 05/16/16 9:25pm

Sinnick

Right now, I believe that Prince had a terminal condition in addition to his chronic pain. I think he learned about it well before the hip problems fully set in. Once diagnosed, things played out in one of two ways:

The condition was treatable & Prince was managing it with meds, but then the chronic pain set in and he began taking painkillers as well. Unfortunately, the meds didn't interact well with each other. Consequently, he made the difficult decision to stop using meds for his terminal condition & leave the rest to (his) God.

OR

The condition was untreatable & he continued on with the knowledge that his health could suddenly take a turn for the worse at anytime.

Either way, my guess is that his condition worsened about a year or two ago. He had a idea with regards to how much time he had left & planned accordingly. Unfortunately, he didn't realize until it was too late that his health was now compromised to the point where he could no longer handle his heavy use of painkillers. Thus, his time was cut short.

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Reply #246 posted 05/26/16 6:27pm

FunkyFingers

he worked himself to death he luved music that much that's for sure
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Reply #247 posted 05/26/16 6:54pm

nursev

Tami3121 said:

However he died and if he was sick or in pain.......I just like to think of him now being held in God's arms. heart

[Edited 5/15/16 22:39pm]

I like this wink

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Reply #248 posted 05/27/16 8:23pm

keane

2olskool4u said:

liltalkm said:

There is a big part of me that says I need to listen to this song since his passing, but I am afraid to.

[Edited 4/23/16 16:31pm]

i just think he knew something was up, and this was his way of telling us, maybe not, but it makes sense to me.

sure to bring a tear to your eye but it makes more sense now than ever

The more I listen to this song, the more I keep wondering...

Prince was a Jehovah Witness so he didn't believe in a life after death or meeting God. Unless he's changed his religion to another Christian that would allow him to make his surgery and free him to have children if he wanted to. JW don't like people having children as they believe the armagedon is very close and only them will come back from death. There's no Heaven.

Maybe going back to his previous religion and God could be his way home, I don't know but I really would like to understand this song as I find it very deep and touching....

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Reply #249 posted 05/27/16 8:31pm

funksterr

I don't believe the chronic pain angle for one second. I believe that was his excuse to take meds. For most of the conditions people are theorizing Prince might have had (carpal tunnel, hip problem), pain meds would not alow a joint to function. I believe he had a terminal illness, and he was addicted to pills, possibly playing fast and loose with his dosage depending how things were going in his life.

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Reply #250 posted 05/28/16 2:21pm

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funksterr said:

I don't believe the chronic pain angle for one second. I believe that was his excuse to take meds. For most of the conditions people are theorizing Prince might have had (carpal tunnel, hip problem), pain meds would not alow a joint to function. I believe he had a terminal illness, and he was addicted to pills, possibly playing fast and loose with his dosage depending how things were going in his life.


--- Kevin Smith said in his most recent webcast that Prince was complaing about pain when he was at Paisly Park in 2001 and Eric Leeds said he mentioned pain in his knees when he was on tour with in 2003. I think he had pain from joint priblems and a terminal illness and he was using those pain meds to make it through his last days.
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Reply #251 posted 05/28/16 2:30pm

paulludvig

funksterr said:

I don't believe the chronic pain angle for one second. I believe that was his excuse to take meds. For most of the conditions people are theorizing Prince might have had (carpal tunnel, hip problem), pain meds would not alow a joint to function. I believe he had a terminal illness, and he was addicted to pills, possibly playing fast and loose with his dosage depending how things were going in his life.



What terminal illness do you think he had?
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Reply #252 posted 05/28/16 2:40pm

Marrk

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paulludvig said:

funksterr said:

I don't believe the chronic pain angle for one second. I believe that was his excuse to take meds. For most of the conditions people are theorizing Prince might have had (carpal tunnel, hip problem), pain meds would not alow a joint to function. I believe he had a terminal illness, and he was addicted to pills, possibly playing fast and loose with his dosage depending how things were going in his life.

What terminal illness do you think he had?

What terminal illness lets you gig and party right before you die? confuse

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Reply #253 posted 05/28/16 2:51pm

PliablyPurple

I do believe he was dealing with chronic pain. Hell, I haven't done half of the athletic stuff that he did and I suffer from chronic pain. That is entirely believeable considering the athlete he was onstage for the first half of his career. I also think that he knew he was dying. I say this knowing good and well it's pure speculation and it's easy to read something like "wait a few more days before you waste any prayers" and take away whatever the hell meaning you want to from those words. It could mean, hey, I ain't going nowhere! Or it could mean he knew. Personally, believe that between the elevator and those words, he knew. Yes, I think dying in the elevator was a choice he made. And ya know what? I hope his last action was punching a higher floor.




What he was dying from doesn't matter to me except to say that if it was something treatable and he refused medication - sadface. His choice, but damn, that would hurt a little more to hear he had something that he could have lived with if not for denying meds. It seems the talk of HIV/AIDS is very triggering for some. Not sure why, exactly, but I don't give a feck if that's what he died from. Arrgh, it's ALL speculation at this point. And as time passes and we still don't know, well, it's kind of hard to not entertain the possibilities while we attempt to comfort ourselves and make sense of it all.

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Reply #254 posted 06/05/16 5:29am

EloiseEloise

jwar said:

I think that there's are clues that all was not well with his health. What in particular that might have been, I don't have any idea.



But you can't listen to "Art Official Age" and not see that, indeed, he was face-to-face with his own mortality. How? Well, the entire album revolves around the "artificial" -- specifically technology used to prolong one's life, i.e. cryogenic sleep; being revived 45 years later, etc. mentioned on the album. Add to that the fact that he didn't produce the album alone.



By the way, the most autobiographical song I think Prince ever wrote is on "Art Official Age" and mentioned in this thread -- "Way Back Home". In fact, when Warner Bros. released the audio track on Youtube, I left a message that stayed at the top for a month or so. It was warning Prince that if his sole desire mentioned in the song -- to be left alone -- was what he truly wanted, then he should remember that he would one day die, too, and it would be terrible to be alone (quoting Genesis about it not being good for us to be alone).



And to read the news that yes, actually, he died completely alone in an elevator at Paisley Park was just heartbreaking.



Maybe he was not afraid of dying alone but perhaps was exhausted with fighting illness, as in all the medical stuff mentioned also on the album.

There's an article. On Hollywood Life that suggests he deliberately sent the body guards home. (consider how many 911 calls were allegedly made in the months before for Paisley Park) Won't go into more ...but i found a comment written below the article to be smart.
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Reply #255 posted 06/05/16 5:30am

EloiseEloise

thatGIRLthang said:

Yes, he knew. He did prepare those whom he has near. When he told me, I said I would fly out to Australia Shows....in a heart beat...he said no, put those money in gold instead girl, I need you to build me an empire when I return. Always full of humor ...the last thing he said to me was hello. Simply hello (and my name). I answered him hallo Prince, and asked how he was doing...to which he never replied, then I told him it was the real Nisan 14 now and he should celebrate. jewish calendar. 13th month. He did commemorate our Messiah....to the fullest.
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Reply #256 posted 06/05/16 7:37am

Bunsterdk

I have come to think that he did know something. And that the way he died even if not deliberate, was still the best outcome of a bad situation.

And I do think that he was in the elevator on purpose and wouldn't be surprised at all if it was indeed at the highest floor in the building. Not (!) saying it was suicide, mind you, but if he felt that this was it, I wouldn't put it past him to make that move (elevator) as a message.

Seeing pictures from hours before his death it is very obvious that this is a very sick man indeed. I believe he knew and even probably had an idea that this day could be his last.

He wasn't afraid of dying and expected to come back again in the flesh (no pain!) as himself one day. Listen to the song 4ever. It was very real to him.

I saw some footage yesterday from a concert years back and he was clearly favouring his left leg. This corresponds with the scar on his left hip. Surgery is not always the solution.

Also it looks as if he might have had hypermobility issues which would have made matters worse.

Anyway this is what I have come up with in my attempt to make sense of it all. I grieve so much for the loss of this wonderful man, but I am no longer so sure it wasn't as I said the best outcome in a bad situation about to deteriorate further. Sad to say.
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Reply #257 posted 06/05/16 7:48am

Blakbear

Marrk said:

paulludvig said:

funksterr said: What terminal illness do you think he had?

What terminal illness lets you gig and party right before you die? confuse

With this stubborn little git? No telling. You'd basically have to chain him to a bed, I think, to keep him from doing what he wants to do. And depending on what kind of illness, and what stage, he could very wel have been abe to do that much. Keep in mind he only stayed about 20 minutes or so... unless I'm thinking of a different party. But hey, Prince was Prince, and the wee bastard never could be tamed. lol

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Reply #258 posted 06/05/16 7:52am

Bunsterdk

Blakbear said:



Marrk said:




paulludvig said:


funksterr said: What terminal illness do you think he had?


What terminal illness lets you gig and party right before you die? confuse



With this stubborn little git? No telling. You'd basically have to chain him to a bed, I think, to keep him from doing what he wants to do. And depending on what kind of illness, and what stage, he could very wel have been abe to do that much. Keep in mind he only stayed about 20 minutes or so... unless I'm thinking of a different party. But hey, Prince was Prince, and the wee bastard never could be tamed. lol



Exactly!! People tend to forget the power of stubbornness and willpower. He had both in abundance! And he would definitely not be the only one I have heard pull something like that off.
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Reply #259 posted 06/05/16 7:55am

EloiseEloise

Bunsterdk said:

I have come to think that he did know something. And that the way he died even if not deliberate, was still the best outcome of a bad situation.

And I do think that he was in the elevator on purpose and wouldn't be surprised at all if it was indeed at the highest floor in the building. Not (!) saying it was suicide, mind you, but if he felt that this was it, I wouldn't put it past him to make that move (elevator) as a message.

Seeing pictures from hours before his death it is very obvious that this is a very sick man indeed. I believe he knew and even probably had an idea that this day could be his last.

He wasn't afraid of dying and expected to come back again in the flesh (no pain!) as himself one day. Listen to the song 4ever. It was very real to him.

I saw some footage yesterday from a concert years back and he was clearly favouring his left leg. This corresponds with the scar on his left hip. Surgery is not always the solution.

Also it looks as if he might have had hypermobility issues which would have made matters worse.

Anyway this is what I have come up with in my attempt to make sense of it all. I grieve so much for the loss of this wonderful man, but I am no longer so sure it wasn't as I said the best outcome in a bad situation about to deteriorate further. Sad to say.
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Didn't want so much to put this up, but it is one article and not necessarily true....

http://hollywoodlife.com/.../#comments
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Reply #260 posted 06/05/16 7:58am

Iamtheorg

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He knew he was sick, not that he was dying or would die soon.

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Reply #261 posted 06/05/16 8:11am

Bunsterdk

EloiseEloise said:

Bunsterdk said:

I have come to think that he did know something. And that the way he died even if not deliberate, was still the best outcome of a bad situation.

And I do think that he was in the elevator on purpose and wouldn't be surprised at all if it was indeed at the highest floor in the building. Not (!) saying it was suicide, mind you, but if he felt that this was it, I wouldn't put it past him to make that move (elevator) as a message.

Seeing pictures from hours before his death it is very obvious that this is a very sick man indeed. I believe he knew and even probably had an idea that this day could be his last.

He wasn't afraid of dying and expected to come back again in the flesh (no pain!) as himself one day. Listen to the song 4ever. It was very real to him.

I saw some footage yesterday from a concert years back and he was clearly favouring his left leg. This corresponds with the scar on his left hip. Surgery is not always the solution.

Also it looks as if he might have had hypermobility issues which would have made matters worse.

Anyway this is what I have come up with in my attempt to make sense of it all. I grieve so much for the loss of this wonderful man, but I am no longer so sure it wasn't as I said the best outcome in a bad situation about to deteriorate further. Sad to say.
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Didn't want so much to put this up, but it is one article and not necessarily true....

http://hollywoodlife.com/.../#comments


I doubt it.

1. He did not take lots of pills from a bottle. If footage showed this there is no way it would have been put down as accidental od.

2.This is from a 2004 article in Awake, the JW magazine, on aids treatment. "Awake! does not endorse any particular approach" Link to the entire article here:
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/...&p=par

It isn't difficult to check all the theories posted about his faith, it is easily available on www.jw.org.

Plus why would someone be against medication and then choose to kill himself deliberately with pills? Makes no sense. smile

I have no problem with the aids diagnosis, and it would be plausible. I was young in the 80s and it was a very real factor back then for those of us with multiple partners. But this article is fiction, even if he did turn out to have aids. Cancer is also a possibility, or perhaps his body was just worn out. It doesn't really matter what it was if anything. But the last couple of years the look in his eyes changed. Increasingly. And they were always very expressive.

Missing them.. Sigh.
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Reply #262 posted 06/05/16 8:37am

Linn4days

Well...

The Time visiting and performing at Paisley Park (especially after Jellybean's comments a while back)

St. Paul and Eric Leeds performing at PP.

(Peterson saying that Prince gave him some adivce..)

(Alan Leeds, Eric's brother, both have had problems with Prince at times.. Alan Leeds negative comments after Prince's last SNL perfromance).

The Memoirs

The return to Warner Brothers..

Piano Tour Moment: Mixing David Bowie's "Heroes" with his song "Dolphin".

"If I came-back as a Dolphin, would you listen to me then? I'd die b4 I let you tell me how to swim.."

Dedicating the performance of "The Dance Electric" to Andre Cymone..

Tidal. Working with Roc Nation artists: Rihanna and Rita Ora (fromer Roc Nation artist)

Perfroming with Kendrick Lamar.

3rd Eye Girl disbanding: - Well, the drummer was pregnant, and its been 3 years.

"I am ..Transitioning"

No friends around.

Piano Tour: No band..No band that Kirk was in. They performed for some European prince. No more from thisband on tour.

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Reply #263 posted 06/05/16 8:53am

muleFunk

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Josephine Baker did a spectacular concert and was found dead 4 days later.

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Reply #264 posted 06/05/16 8:58am

Linn4days

terrig said:

From where I sit, as a professional motion-based person. I have to tell you -years of dancing in heels and jumping off those risers takes a toll and I can believe whole heartedly that Princes knees and hips were gone way before he hit age 40. Having taught classes myself for 35+ years daily...theres pain, with every step. As you age you lose the cushioning in your joints - the glucosamine& chondroitin helps but its daily maintenance.

Once you have the hip replacement surgery it doesnt mean the pain is gone. Cycling is in effect a prescription for maintaining motion and it was probably a painless way for him to move around. Some of the tweets where he responded to me were in regards to the mitigation of the pain of performance. I've worked with many musicians extensively and know the physical toll it takes.

I dont think he knew he was dying - I think its possible the flu turned into walking pneumonia, which is extremely dangerous - combine that with pain meds, cold medicince and not having been cared for properly by a doctor eithe rbecause he didnt realize how sick he was or he was unable to admit he needed more medical care...but I think it was an unfortunate accident of a combination of meds and the seriousness of a wlaking pnuemonia that possibly overwhelmed his heart.

People like Prince are used to keeping going at all costs. He and Madonna are very similar that way.

I've learned myself this year after breaking a foot. 50-something is not the new 30-something. Ignore it at your peril. I understand why he would ignore it and I cant believe the OD story nor can I believe he knew he was dying.

I am having such a hard time processing his home-going. I cant say 'death' anymore...I refuse to believe him to be gone. sad

My brother and his girlfriend, and his best friend form High School saw him a long time ago... He told me that Prince ran, and fell, and perfromed splits like James Brown...He said Prince "busted his ---" running across the stage in Atlanta during the Purple Rai Tour..

My brother claims that he and his best friend taught him that "hand dance" that he does whiel stadning on the top of his piano during the Movie edit of "Let's Go Crazy" during "Purple Rain". That dance was (supposedly) big in Atlanta around the time that tehy saw him aroun 81-82.

Watch.

THe Purple Rain Syracuse tape: I played that for a woman--before we watch he and "Cat" do super-human dancing on "The Sign O' The Times" VHS..

She said, "Play that back!!

Rewind! He spins arounds so fast!! How?!!"

He was hype during that concert, and there was a spin that he did that was so fast... I had to slow it down just to see how he did it. The neck-popping dance at teh end of the "Let's Go Crazy/Delirious opening"--was superhuman. I suprised that his back was not hurting..

Parade Tour Opening: "Around The World N A Day". Dancing on Top of The Paino (During the dance break-down in the song). His face when he dances with the taborine.. I joked with someone that the expressions on his face were that his feet were hurting while he was dancing on the piano.

Jam O' THe Year Atlanta 97:

He sings the first few words of "Nikki" while on top of the piano, and then says, "UH-UH..Y'all so nasty!". THen, he jumps off the piano with the heels on.

1999 Special: He supposedly "retires" the splits.

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Reply #265 posted 06/05/16 9:02am

Vashtix

Linn4days said:

Well...

The Time visiting and performing at Paisley Park (especially after Jellybean's comments a while back)

St. Paul and Eric Leeds performing at PP.

(Peterson saying that Prince gave him some adivce..)

(Alan Leeds, Eric's brother, both have had problems with Prince at times.. Alan Leeds negative comments after Prince's last SNL perfromance).

The Memoirs

The return to Warner Brothers..

Piano Tour Moment: Mixing David Bowie's "Heroes" with his song "Dolphin".

"If I came-back as a Dolphin, would you listen to me then? I'd die b4 I let you tell me how to swim.."

Dedicating the performance of "The Dance Electric" to Andre Cymone..

Tidal. Working with Roc Nation artists: Rihanna and Rita Ora (fromer Roc Nation artist)

Perfroming with Kendrick Lamar.

3rd Eye Girl disbanding: - Well, the drummer was pregnant, and its been 3 years.

"I am ..Transitioning"

No friends around.

Piano Tour: No band..No band that Kirk was in. They performed for some European prince. No more from thisband on tour.

I do believe all your noted instances says he knew he was dying

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Reply #266 posted 06/05/16 9:22am

pyramidseye

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Prince probably knew that his condition was getting worse but he didn't know if he'd die of it. The thought of death must have crossed his mind at some point, though, especially after the emergency landing a week prior to his passing.

I believe that he underwent an operation in the past (2010?) to remove his chronic pain but it failed and the opioids were his last resort. He must have recognized that the pain-relieving effects of the opioids were lessening as time went by and he had to keep taking them, probably in larger doses and one day they would take his life.

He must have realized he was walking on a dead-end street. I for one, would.

"Cuz I've seen the top and it's just a dream"
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Reply #267 posted 06/05/16 9:31am

Bunsterdk

Maybe "suspected" is more accurate?

But I still think it was at least very close to knowledge on that last day, if not before.
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Reply #268 posted 06/05/16 9:37am

TopazGirl

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Vashtix said:

Linn4days said:

Well...

The Time visiting and performing at Paisley Park (especially after Jellybean's comments a while back)

St. Paul and Eric Leeds performing at PP.

(Peterson saying that Prince gave him some adivce..)

(Alan Leeds, Eric's brother, both have had problems with Prince at times.. Alan Leeds negative comments after Prince's last SNL perfromance).

The Memoirs

The return to Warner Brothers..

Piano Tour Moment: Mixing David Bowie's "Heroes" with his song "Dolphin".

"If I came-back as a Dolphin, would you listen to me then? I'd die b4 I let you tell me how to swim.."

Dedicating the performance of "The Dance Electric" to Andre Cymone..

Tidal. Working with Roc Nation artists: Rihanna and Rita Ora (fromer Roc Nation artist)

Perfroming with Kendrick Lamar.

3rd Eye Girl disbanding: - Well, the drummer was pregnant, and its been 3 years.

"I am ..Transitioning"

No friends around.

Piano Tour: No band..No band that Kirk was in. They performed for some European prince. No more from thisband on tour.

I do believe all your noted instances says he knew he was dying


No offense to anyone, but why would anyone think he was dying for the reasons above? Ok, he was taking on some new projects and thinking further into the future. He sang Bowie's song in tribute to the man and mixed a song of his in to speak about reincarnation...well, because Bowie had passed away. He stated he wanted to do the Piano Tour to challenge himself...like tying his hand behing his back, he stated. Those are just some examples, but why would any of that say he knew he was dying? Just wondering.

Also, the quote "I am...Transitioning"...isn't it "I am transformed" and that was from his Twitter? I think that quote was hashed out in another thread and it was a quote he retweeted that someone else had said after they had been to one of his recent concerts.


"And I know you're not just what you say to me
And I'm not the only moment you're made of..."
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Reply #269 posted 06/05/16 9:39am

tigerLily77

Blakbear said:

Marrk said:

What terminal illness lets you gig and party right before you die? confuse

With this stubborn little git? No telling. You'd basically have to chain him to a bed, I think, to keep him from doing what he wants to do. And depending on what kind of illness, and what stage, he could very wel have been abe to do that much. Keep in mind he only stayed about 20 minutes or so... unless I'm thinking of a different party. But hey, Prince was Prince, and the wee bastard never could be tamed. lol

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lol "stubborn little git". stop lol .

But i agree.

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Prince was in control in all manners of his career and life.

Why wouldnt he choose to have some type of control over his death too?

He knew. Even if it wasnt on concious level. He was spiritually tapped in.

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