purple05 said:

heres a link to the old thread to watch all the videos i posted

http://prince.org/msg/8/378720

Link fixed.

mjscarousal said:

aardvark15 said:

She hasn't died yet. I'm sure tons will after her death. Expecially some of her gay fans. For some of them, she's the only the reason they're not dead.

I disagree with that I dont think Gaga fans are the same as MJ fans. MJ has LIFE LONG fans. He has fans that grew up with him, been to his concerts, camped outside his house, hotels just to see a glimpse of him. Michael has been harrassed nearly jumped by his own fans.. NO artist out today has experience that. Gaga can walk freely to a restaurant if she wanted to.

Michael could not do that.Michael couldnt even walk a fuckin RED CARPET which he rarely did.. come on now...

So true .

CrabalockerFishwife said:

purple05 said:

heres a link to the old thread to watch all the videos i posted

http://prince.org/msg/8/378720

Link fixed.

thanks boo

REPOST w/vids

ahhh wep.... i tried but it didnt work(they closed my thread) so ill post in here

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I personally feel that its such a shame that MJ is soooo underrated as a vocalist. It seems like people get so caught up in the dancing, clothes and overall spectale that it the king of pop, that people forget one of the main things that has made him stand out from the beginning.. HIS VOCALS!!!! I think on vocals and showmanship alone, very few IF ANY can f*ck with him. \

these are exerpts from an article where a vocal coach talks about having to teach MJs voice for a play.

What is most challenging about singing for this part? I don’t think I have ever taught anything more difficult! To play the part of the young Michael Jackson you have to have extraordinary vocal stamina – I mean, you have to constantly change vocal qualities, from belt to head-voice to fast riffs and falsetto, and reach up to high G’s and A’s.

Has training Jean Mikhael given you a window into the talent of Michael Jackson? I’ve always thought that Michael Jackson was an absolute genius but this experience has certainly shown me that he was a genius on every level. He pushed his voice – even at a young age—as far as it could go. Coaching a young singer to replicate the vocal gymnastics he was capable of was quite an eye opener.

From a coaching point of view, what was it that made Michael’s singing so magical? He was able to combine, as no one had before, an incredible range and vocal athleticism – with vocal runs that parallel opera greats – and an intuitive feeling for shifting vocal qualities within a single song.

Is some of this magic available to all vocalists? Yes. For Michael what came first was his connection to the text and emotion of a song. His voice served to express his passions and beliefs. He could shift from a low, velvety tone to a high falsetto or high belt in an instant whilst retaining the musical phrase and the integrity of his expression. Riffs and ornaments were used to serve the emotion he was trying to convey, they were not used to simply “show off”, and he sang simple, beautiful phrases as well as exciting ornamental ones. Any singer can learn and improve on these qualities but with Michael it was a gift. Jean Mikhael has this gift as well.

http://voicecouncil.com/teaching-voice-to-michael-jackson/

little mike

whos lovin you

teenage mike

one day in your life

young adult mike

cant help it

adult mike (under 40)

liberian girl

cant let her get away- i added this one because I LOVE how he uses his voice(staccato).

adult mike (40+)

[Edited 4/2/12 13:43pm]

claudiax said:

mjscarousal said:

I disagree with that I dont think Gaga fans are the same as MJ fans. MJ has LIFE LONG fans. He has fans that grew up with him, been to his concerts, camped outside his house, hotels just to see a glimpse of him. Michael has been harrassed nearly jumped by his own fans.. NO artist out today has experience that. Gaga can walk freely to a restaurant if she wanted to.

Michael could not do that.Michael couldnt even walk a fuckin RED CARPET which he rarely did.. come on now...

So true .

no one receives that kind of hysteria.. not even the living beatles

Jammin hard to Off The Wall

MJ mobbed in San Fan Ca. 84'

Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Edited 4/3/12 2:11am]

Paris turns 14 today! My how time flies.

tangerine7 said:

MJ mobbed in San Fan Ca. 84'

Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Edited 4/3/12 2:11am]

Yea no other fans or just people in general would go stupid like that over somebody NOBODY out now.... There are people who cant stand Mike that would break their necks to get a glimpse of him and run him down. The man couldnt go NO WHERE and if he did he had to disguise himself. There is nobody out now that has that kind of effect over people. Im not star stunned by any of these stars at all.

purple05 said:

REPOST w/vids

ahhh wep.... i tried but it didnt work(they closed my thread) so ill post in here

===================================================

I personally feel that its such a shame that MJ is soooo underrated as a vocalist. It seems like people get so caught up in the dancing, clothes and overall spectale that it the king of pop, that people forget one of the main things that has made him stand out from the beginning.. HIS VOCALS!!!! I think on vocals and showmanship alone, very few IF ANY can f*ck with him. \

these are exerpts from an article where a vocal coach talks about having to teach MJs voice for a play.

What is most challenging about singing for this part? I don’t think I have ever taught anything more difficult! To play the part of the young Michael Jackson you have to have extraordinary vocal stamina – I mean, you have to constantly change vocal qualities, from belt to head-voice to fast riffs and falsetto, and reach up to high G’s and A’s.

Has training Jean Mikhael given you a window into the talent of Michael Jackson? I’ve always thought that Michael Jackson was an absolute genius but this experience has certainly shown me that he was a genius on every level. He pushed his voice – even at a young age—as far as it could go. Coaching a young singer to replicate the vocal gymnastics he was capable of was quite an eye opener.

From a coaching point of view, what was it that made Michael’s singing so magical? He was able to combine, as no one had before, an incredible range and vocal athleticism – with vocal runs that parallel opera greats – and an intuitive feeling for shifting vocal qualities within a single song.

Is some of this magic available to all vocalists? Yes. For Michael what came first was his connection to the text and emotion of a song. His voice served to express his passions and beliefs. He could shift from a low, velvety tone to a high falsetto or high belt in an instant whilst retaining the musical phrase and the integrity of his expression. Riffs and ornaments were used to serve the emotion he was trying to convey, they were not used to simply “show off”, and he sang simple, beautiful phrases as well as exciting ornamental ones. Any singer can learn and improve on these qualities but with Michael it was a gift. Jean Mikhael has this gift as well.

http://voicecouncil.com/teaching-voice-to-michael-jackson/

little mike

whos lovin you

teenage mike

one day in your life

young adult mike

cant help it

adult mike (under 40)

liberian girl

cant let her get away- i added this one because I LOVE how he uses his voice(staccato).

adult mike (40+)

[Edited 4/2/12 13:43pm]

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

mjscarousal said:

purple05 said:

REPOST w/vids

ahhh wep.... i tried but it didnt work(they closed my thread) so ill post in here

===================================================

I personally feel that its such a shame that MJ is soooo underrated as a vocalist. It seems like people get so caught up in the dancing, clothes and overall spectale that it the king of pop, that people forget one of the main things that has made him stand out from the beginning.. HIS VOCALS!!!! I think on vocals and showmanship alone, very few IF ANY can f*ck with him. \

these are exerpts from an article where a vocal coach talks about having to teach MJs voice for a play.

What is most challenging about singing for this part? I don’t think I have ever taught anything more difficult! To play the part of the young Michael Jackson you have to have extraordinary vocal stamina – I mean, you have to constantly change vocal qualities, from belt to head-voice to fast riffs and falsetto, and reach up to high G’s and A’s.

Has training Jean Mikhael given you a window into the talent of Michael Jackson? I’ve always thought that Michael Jackson was an absolute genius but this experience has certainly shown me that he was a genius on every level. He pushed his voice – even at a young age—as far as it could go. Coaching a young singer to replicate the vocal gymnastics he was capable of was quite an eye opener.

From a coaching point of view, what was it that made Michael’s singing so magical? He was able to combine, as no one had before, an incredible range and vocal athleticism – with vocal runs that parallel opera greats – and an intuitive feeling for shifting vocal qualities within a single song.

Is some of this magic available to all vocalists? Yes. For Michael what came first was his connection to the text and emotion of a song. His voice served to express his passions and beliefs. He could shift from a low, velvety tone to a high falsetto or high belt in an instant whilst retaining the musical phrase and the integrity of his expression. Riffs and ornaments were used to serve the emotion he was trying to convey, they were not used to simply “show off”, and he sang simple, beautiful phrases as well as exciting ornamental ones. Any singer can learn and improve on these qualities but with Michael it was a gift. Jean Mikhael has this gift as well.

http://voicecouncil.com/teaching-voice-to-michael-jackson/

[Edited 4/2/12 13:43pm]

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

yes he is. some people dont know what being a good vocalist means so they dont know any better.

purple05 said:

mjscarousal said:

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

yes he is. some people dont know what being a good vocalist means so they dont know any better.

Yea... most people think majority of whats playing on the radio are good vocalists. People are just....DUMB

mjforever said:

Lord...

That was one of the funniest videos I've seen a while. Kurt Cobain was priceless!!

mjforever said:

Freddie's hilarious!

And Michael's sweet as always

mjscarousal said:

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

He's definitely underrated as a songwriter.. most people refuse to believe that he even wrote his own songs!

As a vocalist, though, I think he's wildly considered a great singer.

He's my favorite vocalist, anyway. I particularly like his voice on the slower songs.. The Lady In My Life, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, For All Time, Break Of Dawn, Don't Walk Away, Whatever Happens, etc..

CrabalockerFishwife said:

mjscarousal said:

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

He's definitely underrated as a songwriter.. most people refuse to believe that he even wrote his own songs!

Yeah people still believe Quincy Jones WROTE "Billie Jean".

CrabalockerFishwife said:

mjscarousal said:

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

He's definitely underrated as a songwriter.. most people refuse to believe that he even wrote his own songs!

I think Michael was underrated, peroid. He may have been big commercially, but critically people failed to acknowledge how awesome he was

CrabalockerFishwife said:

As a vocalist, though, I think he's wildly considered a great singer.

He's my favorite vocalist, anyway. I particularly like his voice on the slower songs.. The Lady In My Life, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, For All Time, Break Of Dawn, Don't Walk Away, Whatever Happens, etc..

GOD YES!! I love his vocals on those songs. I get goose bumps when I hear some of those songs.

aardvark15 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

He's definitely underrated as a songwriter.. most people refuse to believe that he even wrote his own songs!

I think Michael was underrated, peroid. He may have been big commercially, but critically people failed to acknowledge how awesome he was

I don't know... most people now consider Off The Wall, Thriller & Bad to be classics. Even after that, most of his albums got good ratings from critics. Most of the reviews criticised the recurring themes in his songs (attacking the media; healing the world), and I think they have a point there.. I don't think every album needed a "Man In The Mirror" and a "Scream".

CrabalockerFishwife said:

aardvark15 said:

I think Michael was underrated, peroid. He may have been big commercially, but critically people failed to acknowledge how awesome he was

I don't know... most people now consider Off The Wall, Thriller & Bad to be classics. Even after that, most of his albums got good ratings from critics. Most of the reviews criticised the recurring themes in his songs (attacking the media; healing the world), and I think they have a point there.. I don't think every album needed a "Man In The Mirror" and a "Scream".

Dangerous was initially praised by the likes of Rolling Stone as well

i would have to agree, michael is not given enough credit for his vocals.. people get so caught up in his spectacular danceing and performing that they forget about his voice.

his voice is so diverse, he can sing an angelic soft classical ballad, or a raw emotional song, and everything in between.his voice is unlike any other. i feel that michael as an artist is underated as well, the Genius and the Magic that michael has created is so extrordinary, its above and beond anything that any other artist has created (of coars, this is my opinion)

dm3857 said:

i feel that michael as an artist is underated as well

According to VH1, he's second only to The Beatles on their list of greatest artists.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

dm3857 said:

i feel that michael as an artist is underated as well

According to VH1, he's second only to The Beatles on their list of greatest artists.

I was talking about more of a "today in music" type underated.. everyone is being marketed as "the next michael jackson" "who will be the next King of pop" type things... its almost like comparing someone who teaches themsef to play marry had a little on piano to Mozart.... you know? i dont know if im making much since,lol im having trouble explaining..lol

I personally don't think Michael is underrated as an artist or as a vocalist in general...before his death, definitely yes, but after he died definitely not...but I do agree a lot of people are not aware of how much of a hands-on artist he was when it comes to composing, writing, choreographing, coming up with concepts for music videos etc. Well yeah they talk about "who's the next MJ" all the time these days but I guess I'm too secure with MJ's talent and status(?) to be bothered by those comments...I mean they're only using that MJ comparison just because it's the biggest compliment they can come up with..nothing to take too seriously imo..

One thing I don't get is how "dancing" is underrated in general. A lot of people praise as if being a great instrument player is some kind of god-given talent but they look at dancing as something anyone can do...I just never understood this. Anyone can learn to play instrument just like anyone can take dance lessons...but being the best at it definitely takes practice and natural talent...I guess maybe because a lot of people think being able to play instruments equals the ability to compose music

btw I know it's a bit off-topic but why isn't orger Bboy87 here anymore...I know it sounds incredibly selfish but where am I supposed to get the new Mj music updates now...don't tell me to fuck off to MJ forums plz, took me like a year to come up with this awesome username for Prince.org...I don't wanna go anywhere else now...

dm3857 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

According to VH1, he's second only to The Beatles on their list of greatest artists.

I was talking about more of a "today in music" type underated.. everyone is being marketed as "the next michael jackson" "who will be the next King of pop" type things... its almost like comparing someone who teaches themsef to play marry had a little on piano to Mozart.... you know? i dont know if im making much since,lol im having trouble explaining..lol

Yea I agree and understand your point

Its as if his success is easy to achieve or his talent is not "unique" in the sense that anybody can be the next MJ or he can be replaced when we all know that isnt true. Michael is very underrated as an ARTIST.

He mostly gets accolades for his performances and music videos more so than his songwriting and diverse vocal/singing style.

JUST BECAUSE....

[img:$uid]http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/resources/F%20the%20press,%20Michael%20you're%20the%20best!.jpg[/img:$uid]

HotGritz said:

JUST BECAUSE....

[img:$uid]http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/resources/F%20the%20press,%20Michael%20you're%20the%20best!.jpg[/img:$uid]

I was always found Michael his most attractive during the bad and deangerous eras. This picture just gives proof