From another board:

I just confirmation that Oprah did do an interview and she set up right in the house Friday, Saturday and half of today. Most of the interview took place yesterday and her crew just shot photos and the inside of the home, Friday and half of today. They are having a party for Jermajesty today so I don't know she is capturing that. She is going for an angle of the whole Jackson family and not just Katherine. She spoke and met with the children as well, PPB, Jermaine's kids and Donte & Randy. WOW I'm shocked. I dont know if the children will be on the show though, from what I got they will be. WOW

seeingvoices12 said:

bboy87 said:

all the songs we know as of now that was intended or possibly intended for Thriller:

Behind The Mask

Billie Jean

Baby Be Mine

Hot Street

Thriller

Starlight

Slapstick

Human Nature

Carousel

Niteline (later given to The Pointer Sisters and Randy Crawford)

She's Trouble (later given to Scott Baio and Musical Youth)

The Lady In My Life

PYT

PYT (Early Version)

Beat It

The Girl Is Mine

Learned My Lesson

Much Too Soon

Nymphette Lover

Who Do You Know?

Got The Hots

For All Time

Rolling The Dice

Stand Tall

songs for ET Storybook

Someone In The Dark

Heartlight

Make A Wish

I want to hear those....

I would love for the Estate to compile a 4 CD boxset of unreleased material. Michael has stuff he wrote with Jermaine and Marlon when he was about 15 that has to be sitting somewhere in a vault of shelf.....

Michael Jackson Memorabilia Sells For $1M

Fans go crazy as 100 MJ items go under the hammer...

A celebrity and pop culture memorabilia auction held in Macau, Asia, has seen 100Michael Jackson items fetch over $1 million.

Bidders from around the world descended on the ‘Hollywood Legends’ auction to vie for goods formerly owned by the King Of Pop, including a black crystal-studded glove the superstar wore in a video shoot for 1995 album HIStory, which was sold to an anonymous bidder for $180,000.

A basketball signed by Jacko and former Chicago Bulls star Michael Jordan, which featured in the 1992 video for Jam, had a pre-sale estimate of $600 but eventually sold for a whopping $245,000! A Beat It jacket was bought for $156,000, nearly 20 times more than its estimated value.

Non-Jackson items up for auction included a black lace bra owned by Marilyn Monroe, a pair of Mr Spock's prosthetic ears, shoes owned by Bruce Lee and an outfit worn byMadonna on her Girlie Show tour. A costume Michael Keaton wore in Batman Returns sold for over $43,000 while a velvet ball gown worn by Princess Diana was bought by a museum in South America for $114,000.

In total 435 celebrity items were up for sale, raking in over $3.2 million.

mookie said:

From another board:

I just confirmation that Oprah did do an interview and she set up right in the house Friday, Saturday and half of today. Most of the interview took place yesterday and her crew just shot photos and the inside of the home, Friday and half of today. They are having a party for Jermajesty today so I don't know she is capturing that. She is going for an angle of the whole Jackson family and not just Katherine. She spoke and met with the children as well, PPB, Jermaine's kids and Donte & Randy. WOW I'm shocked. I dont know if the children will be on the show though, from what I got they will be. WOW

What is the world coming to?

[Edited 10/10/10 17:22pm]

mookie said:

From another board:

I just confirmation that Oprah did do an interview and she set up right in the house Friday, Saturday and half of today. Most of the interview took place yesterday and her crew just shot photos and the inside of the home, Friday and half of today. They are having a party for Jermajesty today so I don't know she is capturing that. She is going for an angle of the whole Jackson family and not just Katherine. She spoke and met with the children as well, PPB, Jermaine's kids and Donte & Randy. WOW I'm shocked. I dont know if the children will be on the show though, from what I got they will be. WOW

Who said this? and what's the source? If the kids are on the show, then Katherine is doing a terrible job.

MyLuv229 said:

Who said this? and what's the source? If the kids are on the show, then Katherine is doing a terrible job.

Someone on MJJC got it from another board. Like you, i'm hoping this is not true.

^^ Wait and see people. Saying she met the kids, doesn't mean she interviewed them.

Time will tell.

Unholyalliance said:

bboy87 said:

Michael's impact on culture and music

What a great topic for discussion. I would like to hear the opinion(s) of what those here, in this thread, think about what MJ's impact on music on was? This would also be kind of helpful for me, because I have been trying to doing some research on it.

There's another music board that I have frequented for quite a while where someone finally gave me some sort of answer:

1. Genre merging

2. Hook sculpting

Other sources I have come across also have repeated item 1 quite frequently. For example, in Beat It, MJ utilized conventions in rock, hard rock, thrash metal, pop, & r&b. Then came the collaboration between Run DMC and Aerosmith back in the late 80s which combined hard rock with rap. When Dangerous dropped, MJ released 'Black or White.' which combined, dance, pop, hard rock, and rap, in the song it features a white man rapping and even in the video. I feel that Michael's vision of people being 'together as one' was expressed in his music quite frequently which resulted in him combining various elements of different genres, especially in 'black' and 'white' music. This is also why I believe, Billie Jean was able to blur the lines of pop and r&b, interchanging the two genres greatly.

By doing this, I think this is why MJ was able to appeal to such a huge demographic in terms of his music. This is also why I think that Black or White was really one of the most significant pieces of work in his catalog, including the video. It's a theme that was repeated all throughout the song and video, which included the morphing and MJ engaging in all of the various dances in the video.

This is why, as I stated in the previous thread before it was locked, that just classifying his music as simply 'pop' and/or r&b is doing him a great disservice. There sounds as if there's a lot more going on in there. A way lot more.

Here's a video that I found that might be informational to those interested:

Topline thoughts on Michael's impact on music and culture.

• He defined child star and defined the successful transition to adult star.
• He melded music (cross genre pollination) in a way that opened the door for others and created a new blueprint for what an album could contain.
• He elevated the music video and made it an art form. He introduced storylines, movie aesthetics and production value to them.
• One changing the face of music video he continued to evolve it.
• He defied how much a "black" artist was capable of selling.
• He defied how much any artist was capable of selling.
• He defied how many singles could come of one album.
• He defied what the viable shelf life of an album was.
• He crossed racial boundaries.
• He crossed continents.
• He crossed age demographics.
• He influenced fashion.
• He defined what it meant to be current over 4 decades of music.
• He rescued the music industry (not once but twice)
• He inspired his contemporaries, and new generations of artists
• He raised the bar on what a live show could be
• He defined what a 'world tour' really meant
• He raised the bar on what music should be

For starters....

Swa said:

Unholyalliance said:

What a great topic for discussion. I would like to hear the opinion(s) of what those here, in this thread, think about what MJ's impact on music on was? This would also be kind of helpful for me, because I have been trying to doing some research on it.

There's another music board that I have frequented for quite a while where someone finally gave me some sort of answer:

1. Genre merging

2. Hook sculpting

Other sources I have come across also have repeated item 1 quite frequently. For example, in Beat It, MJ utilized conventions in rock, hard rock, thrash metal, pop, & r&b. Then came the collaboration between Run DMC and Aerosmith back in the late 80s which combined hard rock with rap. When Dangerous dropped, MJ released 'Black or White.' which combined, dance, pop, hard rock, and rap, in the song it features a white man rapping and even in the video. I feel that Michael's vision of people being 'together as one' was expressed in his music quite frequently which resulted in him combining various elements of different genres, especially in 'black' and 'white' music. This is also why I believe, Billie Jean was able to blur the lines of pop and r&b, interchanging the two genres greatly.

By doing this, I think this is why MJ was able to appeal to such a huge demographic in terms of his music. This is also why I think that Black or White was really one of the most significant pieces of work in his catalog, including the video. It's a theme that was repeated all throughout the song and video, which included the morphing and MJ engaging in all of the various dances in the video.

This is why, as I stated in the previous thread before it was locked, that just classifying his music as simply 'pop' and/or r&b is doing him a great disservice. There sounds as if there's a lot more going on in there. A way lot more.

Here's a video that I found that might be informational to those interested:

Topline thoughts on Michael's impact on music and culture.

• He defined child star and defined the successful transition to adult star.
• He melded music (cross genre pollination) in a way that opened the door for others and created a new blueprint for what an album could contain.
• He elevated the music video and made it an art form. He introduced storylines, movie aesthetics and production value to them.
• One changing the face of music video he continued to evolve it.
• He defied how much a "black" artist was capable of selling.
• He defied how much any artist was capable of selling.
• He defied how many singles could come of one album.
• He defied what the viable shelf life of an album was.
• He crossed racial boundaries.
• He crossed continents.
• He crossed age demographics.
• He influenced fashion.
• He defined what it meant to be current over 4 decades of music.
• He rescued the music industry (not once but twice)
• He inspired his contemporaries, and new generations of artists
• He raised the bar on what a live show could be
• He defined what a 'world tour' really meant
• He raised the bar on what music should be

For starters....

There you have it in a nice nutshell--MJ defied, influenced, rescued, inspired, and crossed multiple barriers...and continues to do so now...

MickyDolenz said:

Unholyalliance said:

Then came the collaboration between Run DMC and Aerosmith back in the late 80s which combined hard rock with rap.

Run-DMC was doing rock before they hooked up with Aerosmith, like King Of Rock and Rock Box. Here's a video where DMC talks about meeting Mike. The video and audio is off sync, but you can still hear what he's saying.

I'm sorry if I didn't express myself clearly enough.

This was the first time RUN DMC did a collaboration with a hard rock group. In fact, I'm pretty sure that was the first time a song with black rappers and white hard rockers was released in America. That's the difference. As I stated some time ago in a previous MJ thread, other black artists have incorporated elements of rock into their sound, but it was the collaboration between MJ/Van Halen that was so culturally & musically significant at the time Beat It was released.

The reason why Beat It is so significant is that MJ manages to appeal to an entirely different demographic by adding hard rock/thrash metal elements into that song. Also, the Van Halen guitar solo further appeals to that group, because you have included a prominent figure from those aforementioned genres. The music then posses the ability to appeal to people who like both artists & their respective genres, all who may have not given the other one another chance or listen to otherwise. The song's reception proved that it is possible for music to cross racial lines as they do exist as very much illustrated in the way musical genres are configured, at least was, or is still, the case in the US.

Would the Walk This Way collaboration between Run DMC & Aerosmith exist, or even be as well received, if MJ had not experienced the immense success with his collaboration with Van Halen on Beat It beforehand? I do not know, but what I do know is that Michael did it first and I, seriously, doubt that Run DMC and their producers were hiding in a cave when Beat It & Thriller were released.

In b4 someone tries to argue for Stevie Wonder & Paul McCartney's song. That song is not even in the same vein as any of the ones mentioned above.

An out-take from This is It - Dirty Diana.

I've always wanted to see how this performance would turn out. The way Kenny is explaining the performance, you can tell it would've been hot. Sadly, there's no Michael in this footage.

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[Edited 10/10/10 21:32pm]

Do you guys think the vitiligo started as early as this picture? I think he must've been in his early teens in this pic. If you zoom in the pic, you can see white patch on his finger tips as well.

Swa said:

• He crossed racial boundaries.
• He crossed continents.
• He crossed age demographics.

We hear this a lot, but no one ever really tries to find out "Why" he was able to do that.

At the symposium in Chicago, it was stated that MJ was a really quick study. Apparently, during the taping of the Wiz, he was learning everyone's parts besides his own at an alarming rate. Diana Ross told him to 'stop learning so fast.' This was also supported by the choreographer in the Making of Thriller who stated that even though most of the people in that room had spent years and money going to dance school, MJ just waltzed up in there and learned the moves with much ease. This would support some of the preople who call him a postmodern genius in being able to take his influences and, successfully, repackage them into his own. It was also stated that during his years on the chitlin' circuit in Chicago, he had been introduced to drag performers. If that is true, then that could possibly be the reason why he included so many male/female elements into his dancing and performances. (Some people have even cited vaudeville influences as well.)

Then again, seeing how Diana Ross seemed to have been big influence of his as well, it didn't matter who it was he studied, as long as they were good, impressed him, and/or got a great response from the audience. I felt that attitude seeped into his music as well, as he incorporated elements from multiple genres, often reiterated the message into his lyrics from songs such as Heal The World and etc., with the morphing scene in Black or White, and etc..

ActOfGod319 said:

There cant b anything else left to discuss about him!!! Personally I feel that hes been done to death(pardon the pun!!! )

Hes dead, hes gone, can we all move on with our lives now?????

Plenty of other threads you can visit then if this one isn't your thing

bboy87 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

I want to hear those....

I would love for the Estate to compile a 4 CD boxset of unreleased material. Michael has stuff he wrote with Jermaine and Marlon when he was about 15 that has to be sitting somewhere in a vault of shelf.....

I heard Mike talk about a Stevie song that was intended for Thriller as well. i forgot where I heard that. He said it was a great song but just din't fit the album. Wonder if it's any of the songs we know about or a different one.

just saw pictures of katherine and joe with oprah visiting thier home. lawd........

ActOfGod319 said:

There cant b anything else left to discuss about him!!! Personally I feel that hes been done to death(pardon the pun!!! )

Hes dead, hes gone, can we all move on with our lives now?????

Like it or not,people will be talking about Michael Jackson for many many years....just like people still talk about Elvis Presely,Marilyn Monroe and others.Future generations will discover MJ's music,too.If you can't accept that,you might wanna consider spending the rest of your life on the moon

MyLuv229 said:

Do you guys think the vitiligo started as early as this picture? I think he must've been in his early teens in this pic. If you zoom in the pic, you can see white patch on his finger tips as well.

Beautiful picture.

I'd like to ask you guys something...how do your families deal with your love for MJ? I mean for his music, his dance, him as a person, and so on? Do they care or do they just leave you alone?

I wish mine would leave me alone. They never do. Always thinking I'm wrong in being so faithful or defending him. So I don't think he was an addict at the time of his passing. I think he's a hero and someone who tried to make the world a better place for all. So much so that he forgot about himself (something I wish he would've taken care of). My parents think that because he was an addict he was a glorified hypocrite. And they want me to "wake-up". What do they know really? They've never been fans...nor ever understood anything related with MJ.

So how would you deal with this? I'm used to dealing with haters I come across, but what do you do when they're family?

SherryJackson said:

I'd like to ask you guys something...how do your families deal with your love for MJ? I mean for his music, his dance, him as a person, and so on? Do they care or do they just leave you alone?

I wish mine would leave me alone. They never do. Always thinking I'm wrong in being so faithful or defending him. So I don't think he was an addict at the time of his passing. I think he's a hero and someone who tried to make the world a better place for all. So much so that he forgot about himself (something I wish he would've taken care of). My parents think that because he was an addict he was a glorified hypocrite. And they want me to "wake-up". What do they know really? They've never been fans...nor ever understood anything related with MJ.

So how would you deal with this? I'm used to dealing with haters I come across, but what do you do when they're family?

I hate to say, but i have to keep it to myself. Otherwise, I'm making myself volunerable to their arrogant jokes. I made the mistake of telling one co-worker at work (who was a friend) about how I was a fan of Michael... oh man, never again! You name it... skin-bleaching, psychotic, abnormal, hermophite, pedophile... try defending all that to people who've already made up their mind. Even with my closest friends, if I just casually mention that I'm currently enjoying a particular unreleased song, they burst out laughing. I give up. So that's my way of dealing with it. I keep it hidden. No one checks or has access to my laptop so they don't know how I spend my free time.

Not to sound all sappy, but coming to threads and certain mssage boards like this is truly great. You guys probably don't realize how much I enjoy just coming here and re-discovering things about this great man's life. It's places like this that I can interact with others, exchange news, stories, pictures and celebrate the life of a man with others when I know I can't in the "real world" Plus, I don't have to exhaust myself in explaining anything since we're all pretty knowledgable on all things Michael Jackson.

[Edited 10/11/10 9:37am]

SherryJackson said:

I'd like to ask you guys something...how do your families deal with your love for MJ? I mean for his music, his dance, him as a person, and so on? Do they care or do they just leave you alone?

When I hear these stories, I feel so sorry for you guys. I try to hide my fandom, in general, b/c I don't feel like discussing it with people. (This is true with anything I'm into actually.) Though some of my friends know that I really like him, but they all like him also even though they aren't as big of fans as I am. Actually, so do my parents. My mom was one year older than him and she always bought all of his albums, but I usually don't even tell anyone that I do unless I can tell that they are a fan as well.

It does suck to read how all of you have to deal with so much ridicule and hate. I don't understand why people have to give each other such grief about these things. Just leave each other alone, damn. If one day I met someone like that, I would respect their opinions if they weren't fans of his music, but let them have it if they were talking out of their ass about some shit that they don't know about.

In the end, all that other shit doesn't matter. All that matters, at the end of the day, is just the art.

[Edited 10/11/10 10:00am]

So Oprah recorded an interview with LMP and with his parents/family. I would like for her to do and interview with Debbie Rowe because I really would like to hear what she has to say now. We've already heard from LMP by way of her blogs and Katherine and them have done plenty of interviews, but we havent heard anything from the mother of Prince and Paris. I would really like to hear her thoughts and how she's been coping with all of what's happened.

MyLuv229 said:

SherryJackson said:

I'd like to ask you guys something...how do your families deal with your love for MJ? I mean for his music, his dance, him as a person, and so on? Do they care or do they just leave you alone?

I wish mine would leave me alone. They never do. Always thinking I'm wrong in being so faithful or defending him. So I don't think he was an addict at the time of his passing. I think he's a hero and someone who tried to make the world a better place for all. So much so that he forgot about himself (something I wish he would've taken care of). My parents think that because he was an addict he was a glorified hypocrite. And they want me to "wake-up". What do they know really? They've never been fans...nor ever understood anything related with MJ.

So how would you deal with this? I'm used to dealing with haters I come across, but what do you do when they're family?

I hate to say, but i have to keep it to myself. Otherwise, I'm making myself volunerable to their arrogant jokes. I made the mistake of telling one co-worker at work (who was a friend) about how I was a fan of Michael... oh man, never again! You name it... skin-bleaching, psychotic, abnormal, hermophite, pedophile... try defending all that to people who've already made up their mind. Even with my closest friends, if I just casually mention that I'm currently enjoying a particular unreleased song, they burst out laughing. I give up. So that's my way of dealing with it. I keep it hidden. No one checks or has access to my laptop so they don't know how I spend my free time.

Not to sound all sappy, but coming to threads and certain mssage boards like this is truly great. You guys probably don't realize how much I enjoy just coming here and re-discovering things about this great man's life. It's places like this that I can interact with others, exchange news, stories, pictures and celebrate the life of a man with others when I know I can't in the "real world" Plus, I don't have to exhaust myself in explaining anything since we're all pretty knowledgable on all things Michael Jackson.

[Edited 10/11/10 9:37am]

Yeah, exactly. I feel and do the same, MyLuv. I did have pretty much the same experience as you at work, however, I did meet one open minded person whose opinions I´ve managed to change. Actually to or three. But I know that they don´t care about him, so I try not to bring him up not to bore them. But there are about two "non-fans" people to whom I am able to talk to about him even though not the way I do or can over here. As for my family, I think they appreciate him as an artist, know that I like him, have NO IDEA how much. When Mike passed and I cried that day, she asked me if I cried just because of that? I think that basically shows you how much she knows about my love for him and when I was down two or three days later, she didn´t understand why and almost told me off for being so moody. I couldn´t tell her it was still because of him cause she wouldn´t udnerstand or think that I am crazy. So I don´t talk about him only when there´s a reason like for example me knowing they watched or read something about him and I need to explain to them, but I come across soo much ignorance that I don´t even know where to start to defend him and just the idea of me explaining it all to them is so exhausting to me. So yeah, I do talk about him when I have a reason and I do defend him when I hear someone say something bad, but I don´t talk about him in real life because I need to or love to. That´s why I come here.

A poster on TMZ said that an extended member of the family tipped off TMZ about the Oprah interview, and the pics that TMZ posted are pics taken by that same family member shot from their camera phone. Seems about right, those pics look like camera phone quality.

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I've read SO many things about Randy. I'm truly convinced the guy is a psycopath.

NaughtyKitty said:

A poster on TMZ said that an extended member of the family tipped off TMZ about the Oprah interview, and the pics that TMZ posted are pics taken by that same family member shot from their camera phone. Seems about right, those pics look like camera phone quality.

Easy one.

Randy has been, since May 2009 or somewhere near, TMZ's "all things Jackson related" source. Obviously, he was the one who took the photos and sold them to the tabloid. Remember Randy is TMZ's, Radaronline's and X17's main source. I guess he wanted to keep his job as an "insider" and, eventually, his pockets full.

The more I read about him, the more I realize the biggest monster in the Jackson family aren't neither Jermaine nor Joe. It's Randy himself. Evidently, in his twitter -after realizing the fans knew he was TMZ's "inside source", the one providing rumors, photos and so on- Randy immeadiately claimed he had been "caught off guard" by one of TMZ's staff and had "no choice other than say one or two things". The guy is an expert in inventing cover ups. Just to think that, all this time, Michael's own flesh and blood was the tabloids biggest source. Just to think he is even worse than Diane Dimond herself. Just to think it was Randy who came up with the "Michael is a junkie" argument so he could sue AEG and get an enormous payday...sickens me. You can call me a hater, if you want.

SherryJackson said:

I'd like to ask you guys something...how do your families deal with your love for MJ? I mean for his music, his dance, him as a person, and so on? Do they care or do they just leave you alone?

I wish mine would leave me alone. They never do. Always thinking I'm wrong in being so faithful or defending him. So I don't think he was an addict at the time of his passing. I think he's a hero and someone who tried to make the world a better place for all. So much so that he forgot about himself (something I wish he would've taken care of). My parents think that because he was an addict he was a glorified hypocrite. And they want me to "wake-up". What do they know really? They've never been fans...nor ever understood anything related with MJ.

So how would you deal with this? I'm used to dealing with haters I come across, but what do you do when they're family?

My siblings and I grew up in the same era as the Jacksons. Therefore, we adore MJ. My daughter, nieces and nephews love him as well. Therefore, it is evident that his music has crossed generational lines because people of all ages adore him.

MOL said:

NaughtyKitty said:

A poster on TMZ said that an extended member of the family tipped off TMZ about the Oprah interview, and the pics that TMZ posted are pics taken by that same family member shot from their camera phone. Seems about right, those pics look like camera phone quality.

Easy one.

Randy has been, since May 2009 or somewhere near, TMZ's "all things Jackson related" source. Obviously, he was the one who took the photos and sold them to the tabloid. Remember Randy is TMZ's, Radaronline's and X17's main source. I guess he wanted to keep his job as an "insider" and, eventually, his pockets full.

The more I read about him, the more I realize the biggest monster in the Jackson family aren't neither Jermaine nor Joe. It's Randy himself. Evidently, in his twitter -after realizing the fans knew he was TMZ's "inside source", the one providing rumors, photos and so on- Randy immeadiately claimed he had been "caught off guard" by one of TMZ's staff and had "no choice other than say one or two things". The guy is an expert in inventing cover ups. Just to think that, all this time, Michael's own flesh and blood was the tabloids biggest source. Just to think he is even worse than Diane Dimond herself. Just to think it was Randy who came up with the "Michael is a junkie" argument so he could sue AEG and get an enormous payday...sickens me. You can call me a hater, if you want.

This doesnt surprise me, I always had a suspicion that he was the "source" behind the "leaks" to TMZ and Radaronline. He always seemed "off" to me. And doesnt actually Randy live with his mother in the Encino house?