I bet MJ's hidden and unreleased songs are the deepest .....Time will tell and you will see.

I'm personally conflicted when coming to buy the previously-unreleased material that's soon to be released. I mean, MJ didn't want those songs heard....so I feel I'm kinda violating a wish of his. If they keep releasing his unreleased material, I'm afraid the mystique or aura of his image/music might be lost.

On the other hand, buying/listening to the unreleased material will give us fans a chance to hear MJ again...after so long a time without him. And if some artists had their way and had destroyed their unreleased material, we wouldn't have a lot of classics that we have now.

Plus all the money goes the kids I assume. So it's all good, I guess.

Dilemmas...

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SherryJackson said:

I'm personally conflicted when coming to buy the previously-unreleased material that's soon to be released. I mean, MJ didn't want those songs heard....so I feel I'm kinda violating a wish of his. If they keep releasing his unreleased material, I'm afraid the mystique or aura of his image/music might be lost.

On the other hand, buying/listening to the unreleased material will give us fans a chance to hear MJ again...after so long a time without him. And if some artists had their way and had destroyed their unreleased material, we wouldn't have a lot of classics that we have now.

Plus all the money goes the kids I assume. So it's all good, I guess.

Dilemmas...

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I wouldn't say he didn't want them released. We don't know what his stance was on a couple of songs. I mean, he was never satisfied with Wanna Be Startin' Something but released it but actually liked Hot Street but he never released it. The version of Streetwalker we have was done after Bad was released and Bill Bottrell who produced it was surprised that that mix was released (without knowing )

ActOfGod319 said:

There cant b anything else left to discuss about him!!! Personally I feel that hes been done to death(pardon the pun!!! )

Hes dead, hes gone, can we all move on with our lives now?????

This isn't a Prince thread.

Is anyone else worried that we may have heard the 'new' MJ album already? there are a fair few of us with lots of unreleased material.

ActOfGod319 said:

There cant b anything else left to discuss about him!!! Personally I feel that hes been done to death(pardon the pun!!! )

Hes dead, hes gone, can we all move on with our lives now?????

That’s your feelings and you are entitled to it, I don’t really keep up with The Jacksons or Michaels new album news like I did in the past I guess it’s too sad. The only time I talk about him is when I’m on here people are just reminiscing and I see no problem with it I still listen to him. I don’t see the difference from people still talking about Elvis like he’s still alive, the Beatles or Tupac. I don’t know how long these threads are going last but let people enjoy them while they still up.

^ Uh why are you talking to trolls?

Timmy84 said:

^ Uh why are you talking to trolls?

Because I felt like saying something hopefully that is not a issue with you .

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babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Uh why are you talking to trolls?

Because I felt like saying something hopefully that is not a issue wit you .

Oh no it's not really. I'm just fucking with ya.

sag10 said:

mozfonky said:

I've been wondering if anyone else has thought about whether or not Mike had regrets for giving so much money away to charities over the years given the position he ended up in. We all know he gave away millions and supposedly died with less than a million in cash. I wonder if he'd do it differently if he had a chance. I mean, it was the money which forced him to push himself to the limit at his age.

I don't think it was the charities, he did that from his heart.

It was taking care of family, I believe.

no doubt about that, i'm just saying I wonder if he let bitterness get to him showing such kindness to a world which just would not reciprocate outside of hardcore fans.

seeingvoices12 said:

I bet MJ's hidden and unreleased songs are the deepest .....Time will tell and you will see.

this is hard to say but I would make a great bet that his unreleased stuff, some of it, will be as good as some of his best. 2 reasons I say this, 1. michael was too goddamned hard on himself and would think nothing would be good enough for his music. (a trait which I think limited his album releases, he wanted perfection) and 2. the artists themselves are never, ever the best critics of their strongest work, never. So i think we are in for some surprises and glimpses into parts of his persona he may not even have wanted to make public, don't you think he at least once tried to outprince Prince with bawdy lyrics? I wouldn't be surprised. Hell, i don't even care if the stuff isn't produced fully, just leave it alone and put it all out as is.

Marrk said:

Is anyone else worried that we may have heard the 'new' MJ album already? there are a fair few of us with lots of unreleased material.

if the stuff is recent, then no, I don't think so

we have a bulk of material from the Thriller and Dangerous periods but a handful of songs from Off The Wall, Bad, Dangerous, HIStory, and Invincible

mozfonky said:

seeingvoices12 said:

I bet MJ's hidden and unreleased songs are the deepest .....Time will tell and you will see.

this is hard to say but I would make a great bet that his unreleased stuff, some of it, will be as good as some of his best. 2 reasons I say this, 1. michael was too goddamned hard on himself and would think nothing would be good enough for his music. (a trait which I think limited his album releases, he wanted perfection) and 2. the artists themselves are never, ever the best critics of their strongest work, never. So i think we are in for some surprises and glimpses into parts of his persona he may not even have wanted to make public, don't you think he at least once tried to outprince Prince with bawdy lyrics? I wouldn't be surprised. Hell, i don't even care if the stuff isn't produced fully, just leave it alone and put it all out as is.

I agree. Artists are not their best critics. My professor said that artists should never mix their albums because they're too attached to give a true critical opinion

Michael wanted perfection, like every other artist, so yeah I think he would've thought something wasn't finished. That being said, least he didn't require for the songs to be destroyed in his will like a certain individual that was his fellow Motown "brother".

Timmy84 said:

Michael wanted perfection, like every other artist, so yeah I think he would've thought something wasn't finished. That being said, least he didn't require for the songs to be destroyed in his will like a certain individual that was his fellow Motown "brother".

jermaine? Marvin? who would do that? doesn't make sesne.

some nonce said there was nothing left to discuss...

it is such a great shame that all the hoopla about Mike overshadows his musicianship. there is so little coverage of his actual artistry in comparison to all the other crap which whilst maybe intriguing and certainly a key part of his enigma, i simply don't care about. the price of fame indeed.

seriously, how often are the horn arrangements, or rhythm guitar parts or stabs and vamps , as examples discussed? It just doens't happen. never mind the sheer engineering brilliance of his work. Songwriting discussion is about as good as it ever gets. It's deeply sad.

as for the new material, which of course isn't new at all...

if he were with us, i'd rather have new material over out-takes and demos which were discarded previously. Of course i'd still want to hear them as well, but if I had to choose it'd be the new stuff. bottom line is if mike really liked a jam it would be released. take Liberian Girl, Little Susie, WBSS, and many other examples of tracks that were written way in advance or re-worked many times before seeing the light of day.

alas he isn't, so we are left with what was done. i for one would much rather have some decent quality demos or outtakes from OtW, Thriller or Bad than some jacked up peice of shit reworking by some no talent guy talking over the track with a couple new synth parts (or god forbid a new drum track!). I mean seriously WTF were they thinking with those thriller 25 "remixes"!!

I really hope this "new" album hasn't been overly tinkered with or includes some fucked up, "bring it up to date" new stuff laid over a basic track or cobbled together vocals. Give me the raw tracks, "cleaned up" preferably by the original producers or engineers as much as possible. Oh and forget this whole "his brothers on backing vox" shite.

But I fear not, look what Legacy did with Miles Davis (and Elvis, not that I listen to him much). And what Motown have done since 1976. We will be getting "new", "recently discovered" tracks until they run out. And they'll bleed that vault until every last DAT and reel is done. John Branca all the way to the bank.

And the sooner they release all that shit the better. So i don't have to put up with these nonces on other forums posting "remastered" and "lossless" versions of Hot Street that they simply converted from a shitty MP3 copy someone else made of a cassette tape from '82 they played on a deck with no speed control!

But of course what Legacy really should be doing is preping that Bad Tour double CD that would put to bed all that bullshit about him not being able to sing live, and more importantly bring joy to millions. Or is that last part just a fantasy!

well, as I said, artists are never the best judges of good material, Prince thinks everything he writes is sent from god, well god puts out a few duds then. Elvis had no idea what he was on to with That's all Right, history is full of stories like that with many great hits and artists. What Michael held back will at the very least be interesting and worth hearing.

mozfonky said:

Timmy84 said:

Michael wanted perfection, like every other artist, so yeah I think he would've thought something wasn't finished. That being said, least he didn't require for the songs to be destroyed in his will like a certain individual that was his fellow Motown "brother".

jermaine? Marvin? who would do that? doesn't make sesne.

Stevie.

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Timmy84 said:

mozfonky said:

jermaine? Marvin? who would do that? doesn't make sesne.

Stevie.

that is bizarre and out of character, I wonder what he's worried about.

bboy87 said:

Michael's impact on culture and music

What a great topic for discussion. I would like to hear the opinion(s) of what those here, in this thread, think about what MJ's impact on music on was? This would also be kind of helpful for me, because I have been trying to doing some research on it.

There's another music board that I have frequented for quite a while where someone finally gave me some sort of answer:

1. Genre merging

2. Hook sculpting

Other sources I have come across also have repeated item 1 quite frequently. For example, in Beat It, MJ utilized conventions in rock, hard rock, thrash metal, pop, & r&b. Then came the collaboration between Run DMC and Aerosmith back in the late 80s which combined hard rock with rap. When Dangerous dropped, MJ released 'Black or White.' which combined, dance, pop, hard rock, and rap, in the song it features a white man rapping and even in the video. I feel that Michael's vision of people being 'together as one' was expressed in his music quite frequently which resulted in him combining various elements of different genres, especially in 'black' and 'white' music. This is also why I believe, Billie Jean was able to blur the lines of pop and r&b, interchanging the two genres greatly.

By doing this, I think this is why MJ was able to appeal to such a huge demographic in terms of his music. This is also why I think that Black or White was really one of the most significant pieces of work in his catalog, including the video. It's a theme that was repeated all throughout the song and video, which included the morphing and MJ engaging in all of the various dances in the video.

This is why, as I stated in the previous thread before it was locked, that just classifying his music as simply 'pop' and/or r&b is doing him a great disservice. There sounds as if there's a lot more going on in there. A way lot more.

Here's a video that I found that might be informational to those interested:

Timmy84 said:

mozfonky said:

jermaine? Marvin? who would do that? doesn't make sesne.

Stevie.

Still hoping this is not true. After all, those unreleased songs will aid Stevie's family, and he's got 7 kids.

Unholyalliance said:

bboy87 said:

Michael's impact on culture and music

What a great topic for discussion. I would like to hear the opinion(s) of what those here, in this thread, think about what MJ's impact on music on was? This would also be kind of helpful for me, because I have been trying to doing some research on it.

There's another music board that I have frequented for quite a while where someone finally gave me some sort of answer:

1. Genre merging

2. Hook sculpting

Other sources I have come across also have repeated item 1 quite frequently. For example, in Beat It, MJ utilized conventions in rock, hard rock, thrash metal, pop, & r&b. Then came the collaboration between Run DMC and Aerosmith back in the late 80s which combined hard rock with rap. When Dangerous dropped, MJ released 'Black or White.' which combined, dance, pop, hard rock, and rap, in the song it features a white man rapping and even in the video. I feel that Michael's vision of people being 'together as one' was expressed in his music quite frequently which resulted in him combining various elements of different genres, especially in 'black' and 'white' music. This is also why I believe, Billie Jean was able to blur the lines of pop and r&b, interchanging the two genres greatly.

By doing this, I think this is why MJ was able to appeal to such a huge demographic in terms of his music. This is also why I think that Black or White was really one of the most significant pieces of work in his catalog, including the video. It's a theme that was repeated all throughout the song and video, which included the morphing and MJ engaging in all of the various dances in the video.

This is why, as I stated in the previous thread before it was locked, that just classifying his music as simply 'pop' and/or r&b is doing him a great disservice. There sounds as if there's a lot more going on in there. A way lot more.

Here's a video that I found that might be informational to those interested:

i hate to bring race up again because it generates so much denial but it's good to see a white guy giving mike his artistic props. Most white critics and the white press loved to make a joke out of Michaels art. Men who could convey the uniqueness of Elvis' talent would not give Mike on iota of relevance and if that isn't veiled racism I don't know what is. People forget it but there was that small window of time, I'd say between the release of thriller to about 84-85 where mike was taken seriously as an artist and a man. He could do no wrong in that time, America loved him, and like many things america has loved, it destroyed him.

"Cheater"

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The way this guy made Michael's painting in 10 minutes was pretty amazing!

MyLuv229 said:

The way this guy made Michael's painting in 10 minutes was pretty amazing!

incredible!

ActOfGod319 said:

There cant b anything else left to discuss about him!!! Personally I feel that hes been done to death(pardon the pun!!! )

Hes dead, hes gone, can we all move on with our lives now?????

Trying to tell MJ fans to stop is like telling Jesse James to ditch his gun. It ain't happening And I don't mind the discussion because he's one in a million

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PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A RUMOR!

"Oprah shoot" held at the Jackson family Compound

http://www.tmz.com/2010/1...l-jackson/

Production trucks have arrived at the Jackson family compound in Encino along with two black SUVs. Members of the production crew told TMZ they are there for "an Oprah shoot."

A security guard told TMZ Oprah will not be showing up ... so this could be filming for an introductory segment of the show.

No word on what the interview might be about ... but we're guessing the words Michael and Jackson will be used often.

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