Lady Ga Ga sure seems to have got alot of peoples backs up, Christina just copying form, guess the record company told her what to do or she just ran out of ideas, as it's a carbon copy of sound and image.....

I think US artist need to record outside of the bubble to get new sounds and keep fresh

Dreamer2 said:

That's not really true in any regard for CA.

Here are some positive points about CA:
* She's never stuck to what a record company wanted, once she broke out of the "Genie In A Bottle" phase that she was pegged in.
* CA came out with "Keeps Gettin' Better" and "Dynamite", two songs that could fit on Bionic quite easily. She said back then that those two songs were going to be somewhat indicative of her new album. The sound was an up and coming sound, and Gaga wasn't the first (or last) artist to grab that sound, those producers, and have a record with it; nor is CA. Hell, Cyndi Lauper had a somewhat similar dance album released months before either of these little girls, one that trumps either of their current albums, by miles.

Let's check some dates:

* "Keeps Gettin' Better" was released on September 9, 2008, which means the song was probably recorded in July or August of 2008, if not earlier. But late summer would be a safe bet. (The album was released in November, with the new songs and remakes already being in the can, well before....) ->

* Gaga's The Fame was released August 19, 2008. The album fell down the charts, and was starting to be ignored before a final upswing in March 2009.

It's unlikely that even back then, as people were claiming, that CA was copying Gaga. It's also very likely that CA truly didn't know much about Gaga or who she was, or what she was doing early on in The Fame's release. However, the questions about Gaga to CA quickly enlightened her, no doubt. Not every act knows about every other act from day one. Neither do fans. I don't believe that CA was copying Gaga on her own, or that her record company, RCA, was suddenly sweating Gaga to the point that they're going to push CA to mimic and become another version of an Interscope artist (ie Gaga). CA was going for the futuristic look in 2008 w/ "Keeps Gettin' Better", by evidence of the video; and the video was also used for a Target commercial - it was exclusive to Target (like Lotusflow3r, and dozens of others had been/were/are). It's safe to also assume that the video was shot a good month or two before its release, thereby surpassing any Gaga influence or copying nonsense.

CA's history shows her NOT letting RCA tell her what to become, as evidenced by the huge different in image, style and content from 1999's Christina Aguilera to 2002's Stripped, the latter of which was a huge hit. Instead of riding that wave, she once again changed it up and went 40's retro with Back To Basics. So the record company thing is untrue.

ernestsewell said:

not in the UK or Europe..., I think Ga Ga image is just so strong and the sound is very copied ... CA just need to break out from this and create a whole new path ...sorry it's just to close to Ga Ga

Maybe the US market will buy it but i think she will have to work extra hard to make it work in Europe ...as that's Ga Ga market place right their!

Since the UK & Europe seem to be selling the bulk of physical CD's in 2009 the market is strong so i can see record companies pushing her in this direction, she has a large fan base in Europe that will by her records full stop but i don't now if she will get the indie market and wider pop market to buy in Europe....MTV Europe is losing it hold so she needs to get with the times....


[Edited 5/25/10 10:38am]

Dreamer2 said:

Obviously I don't have an interest in the UK market as I don't live there, or buy music there.

But let's take off the Gaga glasses for a moment. As I stated earlier, neither Gaga or CA come up with this synth-heavy sound we're hearing a lot of today (eg: Adam Lambert, etc). They're just glomming onto it like anyone else. If you really think about it, it's acts like Goldfrapp, etc that were pulling that sound to the forefront years ago, not Caca or CA or Lambert or whoever is riding the wave right now. "Strict Machine" was one of the songs that epitomized this sound, and that was out in 2003. So when you look at the bigger picture, Caca isn't so original either in that regard.

I also stated that CA put out a song in this genre practically at the same thing as Gaga, which means no one was copying anyone. It's like two chicks showing up at the Oscars in the same dress. It just happens.

That record company stuff about pushing CA into something is nonsense. No one is telling CA what to do with her records. If that were true, all of her albums would sound the same, like Britney's did for the first 2 or 3 albums. AND she'd have had albums out every 18 months like Britney and the others. She waited, she searched new ideas, and whether we liked them or not, they were all very different.

Let's also not forget the endless girl acts even having this Fembot artwork/influence.
Kelis Fleshtone, Erykah Badu's Return of the Ankh, Aguilera Bionic, Gaga in general, and more. There was a thread on this recently.

ernestsewell said:

Tru Dat even Donna Summer's Crayons was pretty well done in my opinion and that was in 2007 -2008 I believe..then those types of sounds started coming out in America.

ehuffnsd said:

thanks for posting these.

paisleypark4 said:

i've got to hear that album. i've heard nothing but rave reviews.

CHIC0 said:

Well im listening to the "leak" right now, and im not going to "rave" about it, but its far far far from a bad record, is it taking after GaGa, well, its that whole trend, everyone is going to some "robot" shit now, but musically its tighter than and not a pop record, my main complaint though, (this is a 18track version) is not the fact that its alot of tracks, its the fact that theme gets tampered with too much, the ballads are tossed in on the second half of the record so it almost sounds like another album was planned again. And the thing is the ballads are her strongest point, and they seem to be an intrusion here. But all in all if i had to pick a favorite song after a listen, its got to be "Desnudate", she nailed everything on that, good sound, the spanish whispering, excellent work on that. Need a few more FULL listens before i can say totally what the impression is.

As for "bomb" and "flop" as i said, who cares, i aint getting any cash from sales, since when are we accountants, and label people let them worry about that shit.

ernestsewell said:

The record company thing is not quite untrue. The label told her to record some tracks with Polow because there was nothing they could release to radio on the album, and she did so - she admits this. The result is Not Myself Tonight.
[Edited 5/25/10 18:48pm]

lastdecember said:

the album i was referring to was Donna Summer's crayons.

Aguilera confirms Madonna video tribute


Christina Aguilera has confirmed that her latest video features several deliberate references to Madonna.
The singer, who took to the stage with Madonna and Britney Spears for a notorious performance at the 2003 VMAs, used her 'Not Myself Tonight' clip to salute the pop queen's legacy.
'One of my favourite videos ever is 'Express Yourself' by Madonna which came across as really strong and empowering which I always try to incorporate through my expression of sexuality,' Aguilera said.
'I love the direct reference I made to Madonna with the eye glass moment and the smoke and stairs. I was paying tribute to a very strong woman who has paved the way before.'
'Not Myself Tonight', the lead single from Aguilera's upcoming album Bionic, is available to download now.
From Digital Spy

How is it a bomb? It hasn't been released yet.

PurpleRain2010 said:

See reply #5

CHIC0 said:

she should have mentioned this before the vid was released. it would have saved her alot of backlash.

RKJCNE said:

Totally agree, and that's why it seems like she's flat out lying. Girl ain't right in the head.

ernestsewell said:

That still doesn't mean it will bomb. Christina has a lot of fans and I am sure it will do well.

RKJCNE said:

it was obvious when i first saw it that it was Human Nature meets Express Yourself

PurpleRain2010 said:

Cancelled tour + Bad album + fail of a single + little promotion = first week sales of about 100,000 I'm guessing.

She's gonna have to work hard to make this album go gold.

RKJCNE said:

Agreed. The cards are on the table at this point. I would bet it doesn't even hit 150,000 sales the first week. Maybe I'll be wrong, but I think I might be right, unfortunately.

i think had she chose a different lead off single say Desnudate i think it would have been different.

RKJCNE said:

well heres the thing 100,000 in this market now, though i think she will move a bit more than that, not much, but a bit, that amount makes you a "player" now. The US market is gone at this point, we need to start thinking the way the UK and Europe has been thinking, funny how in a place where the "leaks" originate they still sell the BULK of physical cds and cd singles where as we cant here, mainly because of poor marketing strategies. But i think we can all agree that this album will top off overall when its "forecast period" is done, it well sell around 400,000 give or take, in this market count your blessings with that number, this isnt 1999-2000 anymore, shit this isnt even 2004-2005 anymore and thats when the bottom dropped out of everything, now there isnt even a bottom to this system. Come on ORG can we get with the times already,

RKJCNE said:

Or right after. It's been like a month (it seems that long).

ehuffnsd said:

ernestsewell said:

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Stop right..... there what?

I don't live in the US but i understand and respect the music and artist that come from the US ... The UK / European market is really important for any "REAL" artist unless your Taylor Swift, you can build a long term career in music with out this market place....anyone is music will tell you this..

Hence Prince doing 21 Nights at the O2 and Michael Jackson booking 50 nights at the O2 ....

There is a reason artist come to the UK/European market!

lastdecember said:

Well it's not just down to marketing, The UK and European market is very loyal to music artist that put the work in and also produce good new and fresh music, that why someone like Ke$h can get air in the US and then bomb in the UK, she is now putting the work into the UK/European market because her record company and management went mad at her for trying to be a diva ...so she's getting a second chance, and putting the work in.

Breaking the US is more to do with Image and Timing, Breaking the UK is more to do with a really good song!

Dreamer2 said:

"Obviously I don't have an interest in the UK market as I don't live there, or buy music there." What part did you not understand?

CHIC0 said:

Christina should have spun her interview diva moment as a Madonna tribute

Well I downloaded the whole album.
Only songs I like:
Elastic Love (SOOOOO MIA love it!)
List Me Up (Works to her strengths)
....
Now for the bad
Primma Donna - Embarrassingly bad, annoying and overly cocky
Glam - Wasn't this supposed to be single material?
Sex for breakfast - much more cheesy and annoying than the preview suggested, the name is bad enough
I Hate Boys - I Hat Polow da Don
Don't get me started on either of the first two singles

the rest is meh

I am still crushed. I was so excited for this album!

Cinnie said:

@ her snatching the paper from the interviewer.

I'm more disturbed by the fake accent than the bitchiness. If you wanna fake an acccent, at least don't fuck it up
[Edited 5/28/10 12:26pm]