Mumio said:

WOW, what a shit-show going on in this thread!!!

Be aware, one of the FB murder groups with over 3K+ members was archived today so those thousands of people are looking for places to deposit their cray-cray!

We also have people from the crazy Abigail Noel camp coming in here too I see...trying to recruit for the DC march?

I'm just gonna sit back and watch everyone spin here

[Edited 3/27/18 21:01pm]

Well, at least this time you didn't accuse anyone of having two acounts.

PennyPurple said:

voph said:

PennyPurple said: Nope. Not blaming her for nothing but I’m sick of her using Prince’s death to sell her tell all book which we know of Prince was alive his lawyers would have blocked her book. Remember Prince had a bonfire with her belongings. She really did piss Prince off. He never did that with Vanity or Manuela. They both left him. Prince dumped Mayte.

Excuse me, he bull dozed Mani's house, and was happy when he did it.

Nah, that was his house.

Mumio said:

WOW, what a shit-show going on in this thread!!!

Be aware, one of the FB murder groups with over 3K+ members was archived today so those thousands of people are looking for places to deposit their cray-cray!

We also have people from the crazy Abigail Noel camp coming in here too I see...trying to recruit for the DC march?

I'm just gonna sit back and watch everyone spin here

[Edited 3/27/18 21:01pm]

Thanks for the heads up. I guess we should expect more coo coos for coco puffs coming out of the woodwork.

Vashtix said:

Sorry but losing a child does make one have a sense of loss for the rest of their lives but Prince was fine until 2015. I am not discounting his loss but the man lived fine until 2016 it all went down hill. That can be seen in pics and public appearances. It is noted that he was mourning the loss of his dear friend Denise so much so that the promoter doubted he would be able to perform and when he did those who were in attendance said he was so affected that he had to leave the stage and his performance was so touching , the mourning so palatble that the concert goers left in tears.

From that point on we read of him not being able to eat and we see him getting prorgressively thinner as he went through his P&M concerts. It was noted he was in a depression also. Not dissing anyone but Prince had recent loss that affected him in 2016.

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I do not think he was murdered either.

[Edited 3/27/18 19:16pm]

I did mention in reply 698 the following: "Denise (Vanity) died in 2016." The accounts of his Melbourne P&AM concert on 02/16/2016 all make clear that her death greatly impacted his performance, as he was quite nostalgic and remembered her with great fondness.

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"Prince Pays Tribute to Vanity at Australia Concert"

By Daniel Kreps, Rolling Stone online

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-pays-tribute-to-vanity-at-australia-concert-20160217

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"Prince pays tribute to late girlfriend Vanity in first show on Australian solo tour"

By Cameron Adams, news.com.au

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/prince-pays-tribute-to-late-girlfriend-vanity-in-first-show-on-australian-solo-tour/news-story/d80310448ef160275398c7f36d2f221d

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During Australia Concert, Prince Paid Tribute To Fallen Artist & Friend, Vanity

By Camille Augustin, Vibe Magazine online

https://www.vibe.com/2016/02/prince-pays-tribute-to-denise-vanity-matthews/

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Do you have a source regarding the promoter doubting that Prince would be able to perform on the night that Denise died because I have not read that in any articles (including those above) regarding his performance in Melbourne on 02/16/2016.

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Also, do you have sources regarding him not eating and experiencing depression as a result of Denise dying? Her death very likely made things worse for Prince, but he was already experiencing the health issues well in advance of her death. For example, the format of the Piano & A Microphone Tour itself was a clear indicator of his health issues as the format of the P&AM shows greatly reduced the physical demands of performing compared to what he had been doing in recent years, for example, when performing with Third Eyed Girl. I just want to make sure we are working from the same set of facts before drawing conclusions.

Vashtix said:

Prince took lots of pills no matter the type of pills they were.

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Prince taking pills has nothing to do with either marriage that ended in divorce-

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Prince made a decision to take the pills.

how do you know? Do you know why Manuela filed for divorce?

rogifan said:

From the National Istitute on Drug Abuse (USA):

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The Neurobiology of Drug Addiction

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10: Addiction vs Dependence

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"As you have just explained, different parts of the brain are responsible for the addiction and dependence to heroin and opiates. Review the areas in the brain underlying the addiction to morphine (reward pathway) and those underlying the dependence to morphine (thalamus and brainstem). Thus, it is possible to be dependent on morphine, without being addicted to morphine. (Although, if one is addicted, they are most likely dependent as well.) This is especially true for people being treated chronically with morphine, for example, pain associated with terminal cancer. They may be dependent - if the drug is stopped, they suffer a withdrawal syndrome. But, they are not compulsive users of the morphine, and they are not addicted. Finally, people treated with morphine in the hospital for pain control after surgery are unlikely to become addicted; although they may feel some of the euphoria, the analgesic and sedating effects predominate. There is no compulsive use and the prescribed use is short-lived."

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Source: https://www.drugabuse.gov...dependence

rogifan said:

purplefam99 said:

I think Arsenio was out of bounds when he started talking about his life, But you have a point about the fact that he went on oprah So soon. And really when I view the two interviews, my take away is Dang how did he do that so soon with Oprah. And Arsenio is a class A Jack ass!!!

What?!? Because Prince lost a child in the 90s Arsenio can’t mention his own son? Seriously people need to get a grip. [Edited 3/27/18 21:01pm]

Watch the video carefully. Arsenio mentioning his own son during the 2014 interview clearly elicits a reaction in Prince.

purplegirl00 said:

206Michelle said:

purplegirl00 said: Interesting, got the opposite different reaction from other orgers on the Mayte (and Prince) Appreciation thread.

Ha! It IS interesting because no one is allowed to challenge ANYTHING on those threads. They are "appreciation" threads remember? This one is not. Now back to the topic.

People can disagree on that thread because it has occurred, however, throwing shade/slinging poo toward Mayte (and Prince) is off-limits.

206Michelle said:

Vashtix said:

Sorry but losing a child does make one have a sense of loss for the rest of their lives but Prince was fine until 2015. I am not discounting his loss but the man lived fine until 2016 it all went down hill. That can be seen in pics and public appearances. It is noted that he was mourning the loss of his dear friend Denise so much so that the promoter doubted he would be able to perform and when he did those who were in attendance said he was so affected that he had to leave the stage and his performance was so touching , the mourning so palatble that the concert goers left in tears.

From that point on we read of him not being able to eat and we see him getting prorgressively thinner as he went through his P&M concerts. It was noted he was in a depression also. Not dissing anyone but Prince had recent loss that affected him in 2016.

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I do not think he was murdered either.

[Edited 3/27/18 19:16pm]

I did mention in reply 698 the following: "Denise (Vanity) died in 2016." The accounts of his Melbourne P&AM concert on 02/16/2016 all make clear that her death greatly impacted his performance, as he was quite nostalgic and remembered her with great fondness.

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"Prince Pays Tribute to Vanity at Australia Concert"

By Daniel Kreps, Rolling Stone online

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-pays-tribute-to-vanity-at-australia-concert-20160217

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"Prince pays tribute to late girlfriend Vanity in first show on Australian solo tour"

By Cameron Adams, news.com.au

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/prince-pays-tribute-to-late-girlfriend-vanity-in-first-show-on-australian-solo-tour/news-story/d80310448ef160275398c7f36d2f221d

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During Australia Concert, Prince Paid Tribute To Fallen Artist & Friend, Vanity

By Camille Augustin, Vibe Magazine online

https://www.vibe.com/2016/02/prince-pays-tribute-to-denise-vanity-matthews/

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Do you have a source regarding the promoter doubting that Prince would be able to perform on the night that Denise died because I have not read that in any articles (including those above) regarding his performance in Melbourne on 02/16/2016.

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Also, do you have sources regarding him not eating and experiencing depression as a result of Denise dying? Her death very likely made things worse for Prince, but he was already experiencing the health issues well in advance of her death. For example, the format of the Piano & A Microphone Tour itself was a clear indicator of his health issues as the format of the P&AM shows greatly reduced the physical demands of performing compared to what he had been doing in recent years, for example, when performing with Third Eyed Girl. I just want to make sure we are working from the same set of facts before drawing conclusions.

Carrying a WHOLE show by your lonesome can be just as physically demanding if not more.

206Michelle said:

purplegirl00 said:

Ha! It IS interesting because no one is allowed to challenge ANYTHING on those threads. They are "appreciation" threads remember? This one is not. Now back to the topic.

People can disagree on that thread because it has occurred, however, throwing shade/slinging poo toward Mayte (and Prince) is off-limits.

Again, this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread so this is the last I will say about it- I bet you $$$ that if I went over to challenge the adoration for Mayte with my opinion, it would be considered throwing shade/ slinging poo and my comment would get snipped. THAT has happened all throughout that thread. There is ZERO tolerance for any disagreement (even if civil). Everything is hearts and glitter.

purplegirl00 said:

disch said:

I agree purplegirl. This was 18 years after Amiir's death. Not that he'd be "over it," but he'd have becoming accustomed by then to other people mentioning that they have a child, especially while on TV. I mean, this was a guy who went on Oprah days after his baby's death.

[Edited 3/27/18 19:29pm]

Not only that, but Hannah & Josh Welton were expecting a baby just before Prince passed and he seemed to be excited and happy for them. Again, not saying he wouldn't reflect on what might have been of his own son, but I do not think he would be so bothered in 2014 by Arsenio having mentioned becoming a father.

The point about the Weltons is a good one. From what I have read, they were pretty close associates of Prince's in his last years. He was going to be "Uncle Prince" to their daughter. Source: "Hannah Welton pays tribute to ‘father figure’ Prince", http://itsthevibe.com/hannah-welton-pays-tribute-to-father-figure-prince/. In Afshin Shahidi's book, he also mentions that Prince got to know his children. Prince had pictures of Kirk Johnson's children on his desk. These examples all seem to suggest that he enjoyed interacting with children of his close associates and being a part of their lives.

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The context of Arsenio mentioning his own son in the interview is different than the context of his close associates mentioning their children because Prince didn't appear to know Arsenio's son whereas he had the opportunity to develop relationships with children of his close associates. If you watch the interview, Prince definitely reacts to Arsenio mentioning his own son.

Lawdy.

WTF happened to this thread?

Menes said:

Mumio said:

WOW, what a shit-show going on in this thread!!!

Be aware, one of the FB murder groups with over 3K+ members was archived today so those thousands of people are looking for places to deposit their cray-cray!

We also have people from the crazy Abigail Noel camp coming in here too I see...trying to recruit for the DC march?

I'm just gonna sit back and watch everyone spin here

[Edited 3/27/18 21:01pm]

Well, at least this time you didn't accuse anyone of having two acounts.

No worries Menes....I am keeping a close eye on it The ones who do give themselves away without even realizing it.

206Michelle said:

Vashtix said:

Sorry but losing a child does make one have a sense of loss for the rest of their lives but Prince was fine until 2015. I am not discounting his loss but the man lived fine until 2016 it all went down hill. That can be seen in pics and public appearances. It is noted that he was mourning the loss of his dear friend Denise so much so that the promoter doubted he would be able to perform and when he did those who were in attendance said he was so affected that he had to leave the stage and his performance was so touching , the mourning so palatble that the concert goers left in tears.

From that point on we read of him not being able to eat and we see him getting prorgressively thinner as he went through his P&M concerts. It was noted he was in a depression also. Not dissing anyone but Prince had recent loss that affected him in 2016.

.

I do not think he was murdered either.

[Edited 3/27/18 19:16pm]

I did mention in reply 698 the following: "Denise (Vanity) died in 2016." The accounts of his Melbourne P&AM concert on 02/16/2016 all make clear that her death greatly impacted his performance, as he was quite nostalgic and remembered her with great fondness.

.

"Prince Pays Tribute to Vanity at Australia Concert"

By Daniel Kreps, Rolling Stone online

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-pays-tribute-to-vanity-at-australia-concert-20160217

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"Prince pays tribute to late girlfriend Vanity in first show on Australian solo tour"

By Cameron Adams, news.com.au

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/prince-pays-tribute-to-late-girlfriend-vanity-in-first-show-on-australian-solo-tour/news-story/d80310448ef160275398c7f36d2f221d

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During Australia Concert, Prince Paid Tribute To Fallen Artist & Friend, Vanity

By Camille Augustin, Vibe Magazine online

https://www.vibe.com/2016/02/prince-pays-tribute-to-denise-vanity-matthews/

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Do you have a source regarding the promoter doubting that Prince would be able to perform on the night that Denise died because I have not read that in any articles (including those above) regarding his performance in Melbourne on 02/16/2016.

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Also, do you have sources regarding him not eating and experiencing depression as a result of Denise dying? Her death very likely made things worse for Prince, but he was already experiencing the health issues well in advance of her death. For example, the format of the Piano & A Microphone Tour itself was a clear indicator of his health issues as the format of the P&AM shows greatly reduced the physical demands of performing compared to what he had been doing in recent years, for example, when performing with Third Eyed Girl. I just want to make sure we are working from the same set of facts before drawing conclusions.

THere is an article HERE where Paul Dainty (The Promotor ) says that Prince admitted to not feeling well, but he said he was going to perform anways and QUOTE "No ones gonna know"

But this would have been before Prince found out about Vanity/Denise

and also Dainty group was in negotiations to have Prince return in November

purplegirl00 said:

voph said:

purplegirl00 said: Nope. I just don’t understand why people don’t see that one pill that Prince took killed him due to someone in his inner circle could have tampered with his medication and wanted him dead and who says it was a pill. Prince was Murdered.

So you are saying someone shoved a pill down his throat? Well then why hasn't someone been arrested? Why is Apollonia making this claim and not going to the cops and instead taking to social media with cryptic crap? Not buying it. What would be the motive to kill Prince?

I totally agree with your points. I am not suggesting that his family members were at all involved in his death. However, outside of family members, who would be heirs to his estate, who would have a motive to kill him? No one, to my knowledge, as he did not have enemies or anyone who was out to get him. Again, I don't think his family members had anything to do with causing his death.

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As of right now, the evidence and information available strongly indicates that Prince died of a drug overdose from an opioid substance that was laced with a deadly amount of Fentanyl. He had developed a dependence on opioid painkillers, likely due to having chronic physical pain of the hips, knees, and ankles. I don't know why an accidental overdose as his cause of death is so hard for some to accept.

[Edited 3/27/18 22:00pm]

Lovejunky said:

206Michelle said:

I did mention in reply 698 the following: "Denise (Vanity) died in 2016." The accounts of his Melbourne P&AM concert on 02/16/2016 all make clear that her death greatly impacted his performance, as he was quite nostalgic and remembered her with great fondness.

.

"Prince Pays Tribute to Vanity at Australia Concert"

By Daniel Kreps, Rolling Stone online

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-pays-tribute-to-vanity-at-australia-concert-20160217

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"Prince pays tribute to late girlfriend Vanity in first show on Australian solo tour"

By Cameron Adams, news.com.au

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/prince-pays-tribute-to-late-girlfriend-vanity-in-first-show-on-australian-solo-tour/news-story/d80310448ef160275398c7f36d2f221d

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During Australia Concert, Prince Paid Tribute To Fallen Artist & Friend, Vanity

By Camille Augustin, Vibe Magazine online

https://www.vibe.com/2016/02/prince-pays-tribute-to-denise-vanity-matthews/

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Do you have a source regarding the promoter doubting that Prince would be able to perform on the night that Denise died because I have not read that in any articles (including those above) regarding his performance in Melbourne on 02/16/2016.

.

Also, do you have sources regarding him not eating and experiencing depression as a result of Denise dying? Her death very likely made things worse for Prince, but he was already experiencing the health issues well in advance of her death. For example, the format of the Piano & A Microphone Tour itself was a clear indicator of his health issues as the format of the P&AM shows greatly reduced the physical demands of performing compared to what he had been doing in recent years, for example, when performing with Third Eyed Girl. I just want to make sure we are working from the same set of facts before drawing conclusions.

THere is an article HERE where Paul Dainty (The Promotor ) says that Prince admitted to not feeling well, but he said he was going to perform anways and QUOTE "No ones gonna know"

But this would have been before Prince found out about Vanity/Denise

and also Dainty group was in negotiations to have Prince return in November

Thank you for the source! I tried to read the article, but there is a paywall, but I will try another browser.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

206Michelle said:

I did mention in reply 698 the following: "Denise (Vanity) died in 2016." The accounts of his Melbourne P&AM concert on 02/16/2016 all make clear that her death greatly impacted his performance, as he was quite nostalgic and remembered her with great fondness.

.

"Prince Pays Tribute to Vanity at Australia Concert"

By Daniel Kreps, Rolling Stone online

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-pays-tribute-to-vanity-at-australia-concert-20160217

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"Prince pays tribute to late girlfriend Vanity in first show on Australian solo tour"

By Cameron Adams, news.com.au

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/prince-pays-tribute-to-late-girlfriend-vanity-in-first-show-on-australian-solo-tour/news-story/d80310448ef160275398c7f36d2f221d

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During Australia Concert, Prince Paid Tribute To Fallen Artist & Friend, Vanity

By Camille Augustin, Vibe Magazine online

https://www.vibe.com/2016/02/prince-pays-tribute-to-denise-vanity-matthews/

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Do you have a source regarding the promoter doubting that Prince would be able to perform on the night that Denise died because I have not read that in any articles (including those above) regarding his performance in Melbourne on 02/16/2016.

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Also, do you have sources regarding him not eating and experiencing depression as a result of Denise dying? Her death very likely made things worse for Prince, but he was already experiencing the health issues well in advance of her death. For example, the format of the Piano & A Microphone Tour itself was a clear indicator of his health issues as the format of the P&AM shows greatly reduced the physical demands of performing compared to what he had been doing in recent years, for example, when performing with Third Eyed Girl. I just want to make sure we are working from the same set of facts before drawing conclusions.

Carrying a WHOLE show by your lonesome can be just as physically demanding if not more.

I've watched some footage of P&M concerts and there's no way it's as physically demanding on his lower body--knees and ankles, as doing the kind of dance moves he was doing on previous tours, e.g., Lovesexy, Purple Rain, Diamonds and Pearls, Welcome 2 America, during which he is dancing and playing the guitar in high heels. I can imagine that being the sole performer, as he was during P&M shows, may have been more mentally demanding. However, every review of the P&M shows that I've read is glowing.

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Prince Stuns at Emotional 'Piano and a Microphone' Solo Show

By Keith Harris, Rolling Stone online

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/live-reviews/prince-stuns-at-emotional-piano-and-a-microphone-solo-show-20160122

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Review: Prince thrills with Piano and a Microphone

By: Jim Harrington, Bay Area News Group

https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/02/28/review-prince-thrills-with-piano-and-a-microphone/

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In spite of his physical ailments, he was sharp as a tack cognitively until the very end.