206Michelle said:

PennyPurple said:

This drug report isn't new. It was leaked a long time ago. Nobody wanted to believe it, said it wasn't the real deal.

When was this full confidential toxicology report previously released? This conclusion of this report, that he died from a fentanyl overdose, is not new. However, some of the details are new, such as the specific amount of fentanyl.

May 2017 is when it was discussed here on the forum.

Laytonian posted this link in May of 2017.

Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources.

http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E

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Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

206Michelle said:

PennyPurple said: When was this full confidential toxicology report previously released? This conclusion of this report, that he died from a fentanyl overdose, is not new. However, some of the details are new, such as the specific amount of fentanyl.

May 2017 is when it was discussed here on the forum.

Laytonian posted this link in May of 2017.

http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E

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We have to remember that it's still unknown if he had an underlying health condition that contributed to death (i.e. cancer, etc). That's a very important piece of the puzzle still missing.

PennyPurple said:

bondno9 said:

PennyPurple said:

May 2017 is when it was discussed here on the forum.

Laytonian posted this link in May of 2017.

http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E

[Edited 3/27/18 8:58am]

We have to remember that it's still unknown if he had an underlying health condition that contributed to death (i.e. cancer, etc). That's a very important piece of the puzzle still missing.

The thing is that people are hoping for closure and honestly you are never going to get that root cause of what did it, why did he take what he did that day, why was he alone after OD'ing on a plane, where was the stuff coming from. And i still feel like it was mentioned there was an underlying health issue that is why I feel he was quickly cremated. I feel family knew and some very close knew what was going on, but this is a very private man and I think we can all agree if he had some kind of cancer, much like David Bowie did, he did not tell anyone or what it known except by those in his circle. Remember how many that knew him said his appearance had changed, LISA saying he looked so thin and his eyes were not the same, that is HUGE, I dont think PRINCE was someone that was going to slowly fade and battle cancer or something else publically so I think we all better get used to never knowing.

bondno9 said:

206Michelle said:

Menes said:

Correct. Either we deem him insane , or, sane enough to know what happened a mere (7) days prior. He chose to ignore every bit of warning signs that was as clear as a sunny day. How accidental can it be to wrap yourself around the same tree twice when you knew that speeding on black ice almost killed you the first time you hit the same damn tree?

I wonder if he was also reluctant to seek help because of his pride, desire for privacy, and skepticism about doctors.

Pride=yes
Desire for privacy=yes

Skepticism about doctors= He was seeing Dr. Schulenberg so he trusted (a) doctor. Albeit one who would be more inclined to give him a pass if need be.

One thing that seemed confusing was that Dr. Schulenberg had called in a prescription for him while he was in Atlanta ( if I remember correctly). Whatever it is he was going thru , it seems as though that he was in dire straits while in Atlanta. He also canceled remaining show(s) according to one promoter who was negotiating with him and his team while he was in Atlanta. Couple these things with his behavior after the overdose, it seems as though he understood what he was doing and weighed the risk of repeating the same behavior.

I have no proof of what was in his head but it is pretty clear that he was aware of what was going on .

Strawberrylova123 said:

I posted here last week that info regarding his full autopsy would be leaked

But this "leak" isn't really a leak. Furthermore, someone from inside leaked a lot of this very early on. It may not even be the family who is "leaking" right now.

disch said:

Yes I remember reading detailed info about his toxicology levels last year. The leak probably didn’t come from the family but from someone in the me office or law enforcement. It’s not really that u usual or sinister for stuff to leak in a high profile case, and it’s not like we didn’t know he died from Fentanyl od. TheEnglishGent said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/442603

This should be the correct link.

Hmm, you may well be right, and I would like to think it didn’t come from family, though I have to admit that it does seem a lil' coincidental to me.


Presumably that would mean that the authorities could be relied on for professional conduct and discretion for almost two years, yet not much longer than a week after the family have the relevant info, someone in an official capacity suddenly had a change of heart, and leaked it to the associated press.

That's not impossible of course, though it seems a lil' unlikely (to me at least). But then by the same token, I can't fathom what possible reason one of the siblings would have for leaking this info to the press? How would one of them think this would be of benefit to their beloved brother? Maybe it isn't family after all that's responsible for the leak?

In any case, it’s very saddening to me to see Prince being covered in the news unexpectedly like this today.


I'm not overly convinced that Dr Nelson using emotive language by referring to the info as ‘a pretty clear smoking gun’ (whatever he means by that) is particularly helpful either.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

OperatingThetan said:

laytonian said:

bondno9 said:

We have to remember that it's still unknown if he had an underlying health condition that contributed to death (i.e. cancer, etc). That's a very important piece of the puzzle still missing.

There were none. The public cause of death had n/a beside other causes. He died of a drug overdose. He was dependent. So was Tom Petty.

Under Minnesota law FULL autopsy reports are not public and generally remain private for at least 30 years. Meaning, the full details of what the medical examiner found in the autopsy and toxicology tests conducted on his body will not be open for public review. This is unique in compariston to the deaths of Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, and even Robin Williams. In all those cases the full autopsy was made public. For example, in the case of Robin Williams the report included that he possibly suffered from Lew body dementia and had recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Menes said:

But this "leak" isn't really a leak. Furthermore, someone from inside leaked a lot of this very early on. It may not even be the family who is "leaking" right now.

Though the info isn't really new it's still considered a leak because this information wasn't on his summary autopsy report. Someone has told the person who has leaked this information to the press

It was leaked in May 2017. Long before this week.

laytonian said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

absolutely true, Penny...ALL of this has been known before...just NOT accepted by many here..

When I first posted it in May 2017, I got a bunch of nasty, accusatory orgNotes. I hardly ever get them (I'm pureed boring) but the crowd who wanted him to suffer a terminal disease exploded at me. So sad. It's like they believe a body's dependency is a moral failure.

I know, I remember it was a big deal. People were telling me they hoped I would die...CRAZY.

For the life of me, I can't figure out, how everyone all of a sudden thinks this report is new and it must've come from the family.

luv4u said:

laytonian said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

I posted here last week that info regarding his full autopsy would be leaked

For the 37th time: This was NOT leaked from the medical results given to the family. . It's directly from the Chicago DEA, same source as the link I posted in May 2017. . Nothing new. Nothing shocking. If he didn't have a high amount, he wouldn't have died. .

Ok, thanks for clearing that up, and very glad it's got nothing to do with the family.

Do you have any idea as to why the associated press are just picking up on this now, since the source (Chicago DEA) is the same as your source way back in May 2017? How do these things work? I'm curious.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

rogifan said:

OperatingThetan said: Highly suspect. No question in my mind that someone in the family is leaking this. The question is who and why. There isn’t one member of the family that I trust right now. And that includes those who aren’t named heirs.

Maybe this is someone in the family pushing back against the rumors that fam members said he had a terminal illness...maybe they just want to put the cards on the table and let people see what killed him and that (no suicide note notwithstanding) taking that much of anything is a purposeful act.

Maybe the terminal illness rumor is so disturbing to the fam bc it implies that they weren't 'there' for him when he was ill...while many had been urging that he seek help for years re his 'pain management' approach.

Tyka was the closest to Prince. Who was her only FULL blooded relative left. She knew first out of ALL the siblings that Prince was very ill. WAY before the overdoses and said out of her own mouth that Prince was "TIRED".

bondno9 said:

I think the people that are so QUICK to say there was not one other health issue besides the fact he was hooked on this drug. Sorry but something got him taking it. It's also said he had Hip Surgery and yet no one has ever proven that this is actually true, there is just a timeline given of 2011 when he started to disappear from the radar. But what was causing his hip to hurt was it the dancing and jumping on heels, consider the fact that Prince has really done ZERO dancing like he did since 1998 when he hurt his ankle in New Jersey. The Drug he was taking is never prescribed as a pain killer for things like that, it is given to those recovering from effects and pain from chemo and cancer surgeries. So YES he was addicted to this, he is not the first nor the last, SHIT Johnny Mathis was addicted to pain killers in the 60's and 70's, as were many others.

Big unanswered question which has not been leaked anywhere is how much did he take to get that kind of dosage. 1, 2, 7, 20 pills. Given that is was orignally not deemed a suicide, I would assume the ME did not find a uniquely high quantity of pills not digested in his stomach, yet there still was an extremely high level of fentanyl in his stomach as well. So I'm assuming one pill had massive amounts of fentanyl in it, which could have flooded his system suddenly in massively high doses.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Maybe this is someone in the family pushing back against the rumors that fam members said he had a terminal illness...maybe they just want to put the cards on the table and let people see what killed him and that (no suicide note notwithstanding) taking that much of anything is a purposeful act.

Maybe the terminal illness rumor is so disturbing to the fam bc it implies that they weren't 'there' for him when he was ill...while many had been urging that he seek help for years re his 'pain management' approach.

Tyka was the closest to Prince. Who was her only FULL blooded relative left. She knew first out of ALL the siblings that Prince was very ill. WAY before the overdoses and said out of her own mouth that Prince was "TIRED".

Also MAYTE has said numerous times "I knew he wasnt well" or "Heard this from others" in January of 2016 which was also the last call to Morris Day. Sorry folks people in the circle knew something was up and it was not OH he is addicted. The man's appearance was way different very quickly.

GrayDorian said:

morningsong said:

Big unanswered question which has not been leaked anywhere is how much did he take to get that kind of dosage. 1, 2, 7, 20 pills. Given that is was orignally not deemed a suicide, I would assume the ME did not find a uniquely high quantity of pills not digested in his stomach, yet there still was an extremely high level of fentanyl in his stomach as well. So I'm assuming one pill had massive amounts of fentanyl in it, which could have flooded his system suddenly in massively high doses.

Also the fact that he lost conscious on the plane means that he had to be "on it" during the actual concert or had just taken it in his dressing room. I dont know how quick it works but from the time the concert ended till the flight landed was not very long.

And to those who keep throw out into the "universe" about injections. Remember there are still search warrants that are public, the very first one was issued the same day, collected all meds and paraphernalia from PP, not one needle was found, only pills. So please stop inserting your lies.

bondno9 said:

rogifan said:

One, what is new here? Seems like what we already knew. Two, who is leaking shit to the Associated Press? And why leak this now?

Thats the question...

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