disch said:

The 6/8/16 warrant says about the Moline incident: "The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose."

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I think this both tells us the cause of that emergency, and confirms that it was indeed Prince's plane that divereted there (others -- not you, morningsong -- were doubting that it was even Prince's plane in Moline).

morningsong said:

It's in the search warrants he stay a few hours in the hospital in Moline. There is a 911 recording of the plane landing incident. What we don't know is exactly what caused him to pass out. He's passed out before, and I doubt it was from fentanyl.

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It was me who mentioned the possibility that video footage of the plane on the tarmac was not Prince's. I'm not saying that his plane never landed there or he was never taken to the local hospital for treatment from overdose.

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I sure hope the doctor's who treated Prince in Moline were in contact with Dr. Schulenberg and Dr. Kornfeld and I hope they shared the information with them on Prince's grave condition.

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It is my personal opinion that Prince should have gone straight into treatment, and not sent back to PP. That was a big mistake. Dr. Kornfeld said they were on a "life saving mission", but yet Prince went back home to PP?

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, I have thought of that as well. He could have been having tests done so the doctor knows what's in his system and to see if he organs are functioning well before he started any treatment.

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The clerks at Walgreen's said that Prince seemed "agitated", but we don't really know if he was. All we have to go on is a picture of him walking outside of Walgreen's. If we had actualy video footage of Prince being in an "agitated" state, and pacing back and forth, that would tell us a lot (or maybe not).

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All we know is that he was being followed on the 20th of April, and we don't know why.

Who followed him?

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Someone clearly was. Who was taking the pictures? The media? Someone in his camp?

We really don't know that "he was being followed" on 4/20. Someone snapped a blurry shot of him at Walgreens, but as far as we know that was just a regular person who happened to be there, noticed Prince and got of a few shots. If a paparazzi followed him all day, we'd have pictures of him doing other things, such as going to the hospital which he did prior to Walgreens.

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Also where did you see the quote from the Walgreens clerk saying he looked "agitated" on 4/20? I don't recall ever reading that...

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Maybe he had to take the tests to check if the pills demaged his system, you know if he planned on going to rehab they probably wanted to check if he needs further treatment if the pills demaged him in any way. It's just a thought of mine.

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Yes, I have thought of that as well. He could have been having tests done so the doctor knows what's in his system and to see if he organs are functioning well before he started any treatment.

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The clerks at Walgreen's said that Prince seemed "agitated", but we don't really know if he was. All we have to go on is a picture of him walking outside of Walgreen's. If we had actualy video footage of Prince being in an "agitated" state, and pacing back and forth, that would tell us a lot (or maybe not).

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All we know is that he was being followed on the 20th of April, and we don't know why.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

The 6/8/16 warrant says about the Moline incident: "The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose."

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I think this both tells us the cause of that emergency, and confirms that it was indeed Prince's plane that divereted there (others -- not you, morningsong -- were doubting that it was even Prince's plane in Moline).

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It was me who mentioned the possibility that video footage of the plane on the tarmac was not Prince's. I'm not saying that his plane never landed there or he was never taken to the local hospital for treatment from overdose.

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I sure hope the doctor's who treated Prince in Moline were in contact with Dr. Schulenberg and Dr. Kornfeld and I hope they shared the information with them on Prince's grave condition.

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It is my personal opinion that Prince should have gone straight into treatment, and not sent back to PP. That was a big mistake. Dr. Kornfeld said they were on a "life saving mission", but yet Prince went back home to PP?

Well yeah, but he decided to go home and they can't just say "You stay there" if he's no danger to himself (suicidal). He made the decision to go home that night and the doctors can't just keep him at the hospital.

I think it's been talked about a LOT here that he wasn't "sent" to PP; as a self-sufficient adult, that's where he chose to go.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

The 6/8/16 warrant says about the Moline incident: "The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose."

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I think this both tells us the cause of that emergency, and confirms that it was indeed Prince's plane that divereted there (others -- not you, morningsong -- were doubting that it was even Prince's plane in Moline).

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It was me who mentioned the possibility that video footage of the plane on the tarmac was not Prince's. I'm not saying that his plane never landed there or he was never taken to the local hospital for treatment from overdose.

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I sure hope the doctor's who treated Prince in Moline were in contact with Dr. Schulenberg and Dr. Kornfeld and I hope they shared the information with them on Prince's grave condition.

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It is my personal opinion that Prince should have gone straight into treatment, and not sent back to PP. That was a big mistake. Dr. Kornfeld said they were on a "life saving mission", but yet Prince went back home to PP?

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Who followed him?

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Someone clearly was. Who was taking the pictures? The media? Someone in his camp?

Yeah, because they heard about the emergency landing, it's a common thing for the media to react like that if something like this happens, they're just nosey.

cloveringold85 said:

voph said:

To all the people on this forum who said the people saying Prince was murdered was delusional and we were conspiracy theorist, Justice for Prince is going to prove that we were right. I believe the Minnesota Prosecution has some serious evidence and a case and many people will be charged for the Murder of Prince Rogers Nelson. This was no accident. His murder was planned out 2 years before he was killed. Who benefits from Prince dying. Money is the root of all evil. I will say no names but it’s obvious who was involved. Planted Pill bottles all over Paisley Park. The cameras at Paisley Park tampered with. A phone call to TMZ that Prince is at Walgreens. Someone in Prince’s inner cirle tipped them off. The police and investigators are not stupid. They have been quiet which is a good thing because that means they were building a case against the demons who betrayed Prince.

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The general public are more comfortable in believing that Prince was just another drug-addict rock star who overdosed on illegal pain pills.

I hate this! That's why I want THE TRUTH out. I'm tired of arguing with people who now think Prince was a drug addict or died of AIDS. Which I had to set someone straight about.

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Someone clearly was. Who was taking the pictures? The media? Someone in his camp?

Yeah, because they heard about the emergency landing, it's a common thing for the media to react like that if something like this happens, they're just nosey.

It was TMZ they have people stationed EVERYWHERE! I believe after the Moline incident they were following him expecting something else to happen.

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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The general public are more comfortable in believing that Prince was just another drug-addict rock star who overdosed on illegal pain pills.

I hate this! That's why I want THE TRUTH out. I'm tired of arguing with people who now think Prince was a drug addict or died of AIDS. Which I had to set someone straight about.

I don't think anybody on this board thinks that Prince was a person an addiction. But there's evidence that he was dependent on these pills and there's a difference:

https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-vs-dependence/

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Prince was murdered. Held down and that shit forced down him after the Narcan shot a week before, and dumped in de elevator, clothes on backwards, cameras in PP mysteriously off. Somebody got to prove to me otherwise or I'll always believe that he was offed. It's all too fishy, weird, and convenient. For some! Follow the money.

bondno9 said:

Marrk said:

Prince was murdered. Held down and that shit forced down him after the Narcan shot a week before, and dumped in de elevator, clothes on backwards, cameras in PP mysteriously off. Somebody got to prove to me otherwise or I'll always believe that he was offed. It's all too fishy, weird, and convenient. For some! Follow the money.

Yes and you know what else? Earth is flat and we're living in the matrix Seriously, he was forced to take this shit? And he was alone at PP before he died, so who gave him the final pill? This is ridiculous.

ThatWhiteDude said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I hate this! That's why I want THE TRUTH out. I'm tired of arguing with people who now think Prince was a drug addict or died of AIDS. Which I had to set someone straight about.

I don't think anybody on this board thinks that Prince was an addict. But there's evidence that he was dependent on these pills and there's a difference:

https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-vs-dependence/

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I'm not referring to the people on here. I'm talking about the public.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I don't think anybody on this board thinks that Prince was an addict. But there's evidence that he was dependent on these pills and there's a difference:

https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-vs-dependence/

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I'm not referring to the people on here. I'm talking about the public.

Then I got it wrong

rogifan said:

luvsexy4all said:

206Michelle said:

rogifan said:

OK I never said anything about cancer. I’m saying in general someone who is healthy won’t be thinking about taking opioids (Fentanyl or any other kind). I’m a healthy person, I have no physical or mental ailments. Not once has it crossed my mind to ingest opioids.

What you wrote above makes perfect sense to me, rogifan. There are far easier-to-obtain and less risky substances for a healthy person to utilize if she/he wants to experience a buzz or altered state, e.g. alcohol and marijuana.

Yeah but he didn't use it to get high or something, he had hip pain. and there's actually footage that shows that he must've been in pain:

Look at the way he's leaning on the can, it looks like he's trying to find himself a comfortable position to stand and he clearly has no idea that he's being taped.

morningsong said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

206Michelle said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I don't think anybody on this board thinks that Prince was an addict. But there's evidence that he was dependent on these pills and there's a difference:

https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-vs-dependence/

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I don’t like the word addict and prefer to use person-first language, like “person who is addicted to/dependent on/abusing” because person-first language puts the person before the label/condition. I generally prefer to use multiple descriptors, like dependent on/abusing/(possibly) addicted to opioids, because there is some ambiguity as to what the extent of his use of opioids was. The amount of pills found at PP per the search warrants make it clear that he was, at the very least, dependent on opioids. . Although it’s not entirely clear at this time if his use of opioids reached the threshold of addiction, some people do not like the word “addiction” possibly connected to Prince because addiction still has a stigma (at least in the USA). This stigma is very unfortunate because addiction is a disease. And because addiction is a disease, it requires treatment or intervention, just like cancer or pneumonia.

Yes I think some people on this board have a problem with that. And sorry if I offended you in any way by writing "addict", I didn't mean to.

206Michelle said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I don't think anybody on this board thinks that Prince was an addict. But there's evidence that he was dependent on these pills and there's a difference:

https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-vs-dependence/

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I don’t like the word addict and prefer to use person-first language, like “person who is addicted to/dependent on/abusing” because person-first language puts the person before the label/condition, and generally prefer to use multiple descriptors, like dependent on/abusing/(possibly) addicted to opioids, because there is some ambiguity as to what the extent of his use of opioids was. The amount of pills found at PP per the search warrants make it clear that he was, at the very least, dependent on opioids. . Although it’s not entirely clear at this time if his use of opioids reached the threshold of addiction, some people do not like the word “addiction” possibly connected to Prince because addiction still has a stigma (at least in the USA). This stigma is very unfortunate because addiction is a disease. And because addiction is a disease, it requires treatment or intervention, just like cancer or pneumonia. [Edited 3/27/18 17:43pm]

for arguements sake, yesterday i was watching vids on football players with these issues, brett favre said he kicked cold turkey, people do it sometimes.

ThatWhiteDude said:

206Michelle said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yes I think some people on this board have a problem with that. And sorry if I offended you in any way by writing "addict", I didn't mean to.

I wasn’t offended at all by the word “addict”. It was a good opportunity to make a suggestion about person-first language. As a special education teacher, one of the “best practices” in the profession is the use of person-first/people-first language because person-first language gives dignity to people with disabilities by putting the person first and disability second (“child who had autism”/“child who is autistic” versus “autistic child”). The same principle can also be used when discussing people who have medical conditions eg, “person with diabetes”/“person who is diabetic” versus just “diabetic person”.

I didn't know that. That's actually really good tho.

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Because he was killed. He wanted to live. Anyone who says the contrary , should be investigated.

Who said that Prince wanted to die? No one stated that, what is she talking about?

ThatWhiteDude said:

A distinction between "dependence" and "addiction" -- and that dependence is "better" or more acceptable -- isn't something that is universally agreed upon. I also wouldn't say that "no one here" thinks Prince was struggling with addiction (or that, at least, it's a possibilty). For example, the National Institute of Drug abuse says "addiction—or compulsive drug use despite harmful consequences—is characterized by an inability to stop using a drug; failure to meet work, social, or family obligations; and, sometimes (depending on the drug), tolerance and withdrawal." That definition doesn't sound out of line to what may have been happening with Prince in his last weeks.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

206Michelle said:

ThatWhiteDude said: I don’t like the word addict and prefer to use person-first language, like “person who is addicted to/dependent on/abusing” because person-first language puts the person before the label/condition. I generally prefer to use multiple descriptors, like dependent on/abusing/(possibly) addicted to opioids, because there is some ambiguity as to what the extent of his use of opioids was. The amount of pills found at PP per the search warrants make it clear that he was, at the very least, dependent on opioids. . Although it’s not entirely clear at this time if his use of opioids reached the threshold of addiction, some people do not like the word “addiction” possibly connected to Prince because addiction still has a stigma (at least in the USA). This stigma is very unfortunate because addiction is a disease. And because addiction is a disease, it requires treatment or intervention, just like cancer or pneumonia.

Yes I think some people on this board have a problem with that. And sorry if I offended you in any way by writing "addict", I didn't mean to.

Strawberrylova123 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Who said that Prince wanted to die? No one stated that, what is she talking about?

Many comments on prince.org or on twitter believe prince committed suicide

Yeah, but no one from his camp, so why does she say they need to be investigated? That doesn't make sense. And he wasn't murdered either.

exactly. they also say that if your dependent on drugs, that addiction is often right around the corner.

disch said:

A distinction between "dependence" and "addiction" -- and that dependence is "better" or more acceptable -- isn't something that is universally agreed upon. I also wouldn't say that "no one here" thinks Prince was struggling with addiction (or that, at least, it's a possibilty). For example, the National Institute of Drug abuse says "addiction—or compulsive drug use despite harmful consequences—is characterized by an inability to stop using a drug; failure to meet work, social, or family obligations; and, sometimes (depending on the drug), tolerance and withdrawal." That definition doesn't sound out of line to what may have been happening with Prince in his last weeks.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Yes I think some people on this board have a problem with that. And sorry if I offended you in any way by writing "addict", I didn't mean to.

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ThatWhiteDude said: