rogifan said:

"shoot me up baby....lets take a trip" EXPLAIN your ways out of THAT

Yes, here is the report on this from a year and a half ago:

http://www.startribune.co...390816101/

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There were no pills/patches/etc labeled "fentanyl" found at PP, per this report. All the fentanyl was found lacing counterfeit drugs that were made to resemble other, less powerful opioids. Not sure why there's still confusion over this after so much time.

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Now, did prince know the actual composition of these counterfeit pills? Did he know exactly how many pills he could take before they'd trigger a fatal OD? Who knows what we knew -- but we know that the composition of counterfeit pills is not consistent (each pill may have a different amount of drugs in them).

ThatWhiteDude said:

rogifan said:

OK let me rephrase. I don’t think a healthy person wakes up one day and says hey I think I’ll pop some opioids today.

He didn't know that it was Fentanyl, that's what's been reported. They we're talking about wronglabled pills! And Just so you know, you don't have to have cancer to get Fentanyl, they prescribe patches to people with chronic pain Just Like Tom Petty.

rogifan said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they say that HE wasn't aware that the pills He took contained Fentanyl?

OK let me rephrase. I don’t think a healthy person wakes up one day and says hey I think I’ll pop some opioids today.

rogifan, I very respectfully disagree...maybe that's too strong...but I have a slightly different perspective. To me, it's entirely possible that a lonely, isolated, genius dealing with social anxiety, trust issues and the burdon of being control freak with every aspect of his business realizes one day, after taking prescribed opiods for hip pain (post-surgery or not, perhaps for an acute injury) that that little pill not only eases his physical pain but dulls his anxiety, paranoia and the pain of loneliness.

MANY people get into opiods specifically because they ease emotional pain; a topic that is always greeted here with adament distain. Too bad, because all the fams here who claim there's a 'missing piece to the puzzle' or 'it's something else' refuse to even consider what's staring them in the face. The guy was a musical genius BUT did not cope very well with REAL LIFE. Why is that so hard for people here to see?

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disch said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

rogifan said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

rogifan said:

ThatWhiteDude said: OK let me rephrase. I don’t think a healthy person wakes up one day and says hey I think I’ll pop some opioids today.

rogifan, I very respectfully disagree...maybe that's too strong...but I have a slightly different perspective. To me, it's entirely possible that a lonely, isolated, genius dealing with social anxiety, trust issues and the burdon of being control freak with every aspect of his business realizes one day, after taking prescribed opiods for hip pain (post-surgery or not, perhaps for an acute injury) that that little pill not only eases his physical pain but dulls his anxiety, paranoia and the pain of loneliness.

MANY people get into opiods specifically because they ease emotional pain; a topic that is always greeted here with adament distain. Too bad, because all the fams here who claim there's a 'missing piece to the puzzle' or 'it's something else' refuse to even consider what's staring them in the face. The guy was a musical genius BUT did not cope very well with REAL LIFE. Why is that so hard for people here to see?

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TRUTH.

I have always believed Prince was intentional with his departure for the reasons you stated. Prince was private and whatever he was dealing with, it would not have been known to the public. However, if it had been due to terminal illness as many seem to think, I believe we would know this already. It would conjure empathy from his fans and the public. It's been almost 2 years.

Agree! The idea that it's a mystery beyond compare why a person would take opioids (or any substance) other than what is specifically and exactly prescribed by a doctor is just weird. Taking drugs/substances -- including illegal ones -- outside a doctor's purvue happens literally every single day.

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In general, it's not totally impenetrable why people do it: they do it in an attempt to get relief, sometimes physical, often emotional -- and frequently a combination. I'm not going to attempt todiagnose Prince one way or the other, but I'm also not completely bewildered as to the general nature and causes of substance issues in today's world.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

rogifan, I very respectfully disagree...maybe that's too strong...but I have a slightly different perspective. To me, it's entirely possible that a lonely, isolated, genius dealing with social anxiety, trust issues and the burdon of being control freak with every aspect of his business realizes one day, after taking prescribed opiods for hip pain (post-surgery or not, perhaps for an acute injury) that that little pill not only eases his physical pain but dulls his anxiety, paranoia and the pain of loneliness.

MANY people get into opiods specifically because they ease emotional pain; a topic that is always greeted here with adament distain. Too bad, because all the fams here who claim there's a 'missing piece to the puzzle' or 'it's something else' refuse to even consider what's staring them in the face. The guy was a musical genius BUT did not cope very well with REAL LIFE. Why is that so hard for people here to see?

[Edited 3/27/18 12:42pm]

Good Post Bod

ThatWhiteDude said:

rogifan said:

OK let me rephrase. I don’t think a healthy person wakes up one day and says hey I think I’ll pop some opioids today.

He didn't know that it was Fentanyl, that's what's been reported. They we're talking about wronglabled pills! And Just so you know, you don't have to have cancer to get Fentanyl, they prescribe patches to people with chronic pain Just Like Tom Petty.

I'm confused at what two ways did he take Fentanyl? They were in his bloodstream and liver that took a while to settle in. Then it says a large amount were in his stomach which ultimately killed him. So what two ways was he taking them?

I don't think the report says that he ingested them in 2 different ways. Some of the fentanyl was already metabolized into his blood and liver (ie., he swallowed it earlier); some was still in his stomach (i.e., he swallowed it later). The amount in his stomach was "potentially lethal," but I believe it was the fentanyl that he ingested earlier that actually caused the OD.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

rogifan said: He didn't know that it was Fentanyl, that's what's been reported. They we're talking about wronglabled pills! And Just so you know, you don't have to have cancer to get Fentanyl, they prescribe patches to people with chronic pain Just Like Tom Petty.

I'm confused at what two ways did he take Fentanyl? They were in his bloodstream and liver that took a while to settle in. Then it says a large amount were in his stomach which ultimately killed him. So what two ways was he taking them?

disch said:

What’s the significance of this — do you think he was murders? cloveringold85 said:

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I think someone was on his tail. TMZ broke the story of his death within an hour. They already had statements and the 911 Call.

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Someone who claimed to be close to Prince sold a story to the tabloids, stating that Prince had AIDS. Prince's family never made any statements about illness or AIDS, drugs or anything else, nor did they dispute those claims.

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After the Moline incident, Prince comes home and thows a party at PP. He made strange comments like thanking his doctor and "save your prayers".

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He was at the Dakota Jazz Club on the 19th, then two days later, he dies.

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Adonis claims that Prince was getting death threats and received 4 calls at PP.

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Prince dies just several days after his settlement with WB.

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A lot of weird stuff.

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Sorry, I have been away the past few days moving into a new place.

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There were some strange things going on in Prince's life in his final years. I really don't know what to think, some days. I just hope he did not get himself messed-up with some bad people. I thought it was strange that he wanted to work with WB again, after all he went through with them.

GrayDorian said:

laurarichardson said:

Somebody from inside his organization or an associate was definity providing information. From those pics of him at the Walgreens to Dr. Funkenberry saying he got confirmation of Prince's death directly from Harvey Levin.

The fact that Meron and Kirk hit their cellphones makes them suspect as well.

It is absolutely bizarre really though, isn't it? Reporting Prince's death two days prior to his passing?

I can't help but wonder if the bolded above may be the traitor to whom Prince was referring to, when he reportedly warned Apples about a 'jubilant Judas' (which presumably would suggest a man?). I don't believe that 'foul play' was involved in Prince's passing (may yet be proved wrong tho), but this sadly looks as though there may have been some equally foul, vile selling-out of Prince to the gutter press. Yuck!

Personally I don't think of Meron or Kirk as remotely 'suspect', just because they didn't want to hand over their cellphones. I just think that his nearest and dearest are understandably looking to protect Prince's privacy.

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Yes!! Someone sold a story to make a quick buck.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

muleFunk said:

purplefam99 said:

please Mule, confusion is setting in here. can you clarify PennyPurple's question to you??

Back before the final results were leaked to the press we were speculating about Prince's health condition. Long time Org members knew that Prince had a problem with his hips. There were several posts here about that topic going back at least to 2006 and maybe longer.It was also mentioned that he was using medications to cope with this pain.

When Prince passed away my best friend, who is a medical pathologist, said that after the awards show in 2015 he said Prince looked like he was sick and could have been in the last stages of cancer or acute myeloid leukemia. Without getting into detail but some scuttlebutt among people in the medical field came back that the hip problem was degenerative and that a full replacement couldn't take place because the bone marrow production was not good enough to proceed. If that was the case then use of painkillers was needed.

Now what does that have to do with murder?

Someone switched his medication.

1.Where did these pills come from?

2. Why would he need to have fake Vicodin pills when he could have gotten real ones?

Kirk didn't know about the Aleve and Bayer bottles.

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Thanks for that info!

PennyPurple said:

benni said:

They are now reviewing the toxicology reports to determine whether any charges will be filed in the near future:


https://www.msn.com/en-us...ar-BBKIV9Q

Thanks Benni!

Those look like the same numbers that were released several months ago, that were leaked.

It sucks.

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Interesting! Thanks, Benni! I've been away and need to catch-up!!

disch said:

I don't think the report says that he ingested them in 2 different ways. Some of the fentanyl was already metabolized into his blood and liver (ie., he swallowed it earlier); some was still in his stomach (i.e., he swallowed it later). The amount in his stomach was "potentially lethal," but I believe it was the fentanyl that he ingested earlier that actually caused the OD.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I'm confused at what two ways did he take Fentanyl? They were in his bloodstream and liver that took a while to settle in. Then it says a large amount were in his stomach which ultimately killed him. So what two ways was he taking them?

I thought the report said the ones in his stomach killed him?

disch said:

I don't think the report says that he ingested them in 2 different ways. Some of the fentanyl was already metabolized into his blood and liver (ie., he swallowed it earlier); some was still in his stomach (i.e., he swallowed it later). The amount in his stomach was "potentially lethal," but I believe it was the fentanyl that he ingested earlier that actually caused the OD.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I'm confused at what two ways did he take Fentanyl? They were in his bloodstream and liver that took a while to settle in. Then it says a large amount were in his stomach which ultimately killed him. So what two ways was he taking them?

It does not mean that. You can have some enter your bloodstream (anatomy 101) while some is still being digested in the stomach. Sure what you said is possible but how would he get to take more if a lethal dose was already metabolizing in his system, he'd barely be able to walk let alone get more pills.

voph said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I'm confused at what two ways did he take Fentanyl? They were in his bloodstream and liver that took a while to settle in. Then it says a large amount were in his stomach which ultimately killed him. So what two ways was he taking them?

No confusion. As I read the comments of People calling Prince a addict I shake my head. Prince went to see a doctor a day before he died and got blood worked done. A warrant was issued for the test results and what was reported was no Fentanyl was found in Prince’s system which indicates Prince was not a regular user or if at all of that drug because it stays in your system for months. That was a red flag to many people that Prince was murdered. This new report further indicates that he was because why was fentanyl found in Prince’s stomach. Hmm. It does come in liquid form, could someone have spike his food or drink. Hmm. I hope the investigators kept some of Prince’s hair to also test for arsenic poisoning. Prince had some of the symptoms. Stop being sheep people and wake up.

Prince didn't know the counterfeit pills contained a lethal dose of Fentanyl. Whether it came in liquid form doesn't matter. He wasn't eating so he wasn't intentionally poisened from any food. He just took extra doses. Why he chose to take illegal street forms of it will always haunt me the rest of my life.

I don't believe and will NEVER believe Prince was murdered. Only because of his prior overdose barely a week prior.

206Michelle said:

bondno9 said:

We have to remember that it's still unknown if he had an underlying health condition that contributed to death (i.e. cancer, etc). That's a very important piece of the puzzle still missing.

This is a good point. We know that he had hip replacement surgery in 2010. There are reports that he had ongoing hip and ankle issues: https://www.cbsnews.com/n...-surgery/. I don’t recall watching any videos of performances from 2011 until his death during which he was jumping off of risers, but I have watched performances from the Welcome 2 America tour during which he is performing dance routines that are rigorous but certainly less strenuous than choreography from his performances in the 80s and early 90s. So while the choreography was less strenuous in his later years, he was still dancing onstage in the early 2010s. If he had a chronic illness in addition to the chronic physical pain, this begs the question, Why was he was still touring in the last weeks of his life instead of addressing additional underlying health concerns that are presently unknown to us? Piano and a Microphone was probably the least physically strenuous tour he ever did, but he was still touring. Financially, he did not need to keep touring, as he had tens of millions of dollars in cash when he died: http://m.startribune.com/...09921405/. . The only time of which I am aware when he went for more than a day without performing or composing music was during his son Aamir’s short life in October 1996. After Amiir died, Mayte isn’t entirely clear in her book as to how long she and grieved together (see p. 213). However, Amiir died October 22 and per PrinceVault, performed some one-off shows on October 26 and 27, 1996, so spent no more than 4 days grieving without performing or composing music. The death of Aamir was very likely the single worst event of his adult life, and he spent, at most 4 days, before he resumed composing and performing music, as well as promoting the Emancipation album. . The reason I refer back to 1996 is to make the point that Prince almost never stopped working/making music. I wonder if he may have worked himself to death because he continued to work instead of taking a hiatus so that he could address his chronic pain, opioid dependency, or whatever else might have been ailing him. [Edited 3/27/18 11:05am]

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I feel the same way; if Prince had taken better care of his health and taken some time off, he would most-likely still be here. But, we know that music was his life and he wasn't going to stop.

Lovejunky said:

benni said:

Not to mention that the day of the cancelled show (April 7th), an 89 year old caretaker at the Fox Theater had passed away. He was known as the Phantom of the Fox Theater and lived at the theater. Prince posted the avatar on April 7th.


https://www.ajc.com/news/...gojb7I41M/

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bolding and reposting so that MORE PEOPLE READ the history of his Teary Twitter Avatar...

so sick of hearing that he planned his own Death and this being used as evidence !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I will never believe that Prince took his own life on-purpose. The pills were marked as Hydrocodone (weaker opioid).

cloveringold85 said:

206Michelle said:

bondno9 said: This is a good point. We know that he had hip replacement surgery in 2010. There are reports that he had ongoing hip and ankle issues: https://www.cbsnews.com/n...-surgery/. I don’t recall watching any videos of performances from 2011 until his death during which he was jumping off of risers, but I have watched performances from the Welcome 2 America tour during which he is performing dance routines that are rigorous but certainly less strenuous than choreography from his performances in the 80s and early 90s. So while the choreography was less strenuous in his later years, he was still dancing onstage in the early 2010s. If he had a chronic illness in addition to the chronic physical pain, this begs the question, Why was he was still touring in the last weeks of his life instead of addressing additional underlying health concerns that are presently unknown to us? Piano and a Microphone was probably the least physically strenuous tour he ever did, but he was still touring. Financially, he did not need to keep touring, as he had tens of millions of dollars in cash when he died: http://m.startribune.com/...09921405/. . The only time of which I am aware when he went for more than a day without performing or composing music was during his son Aamir’s short life in October 1996. After Amiir died, Mayte isn’t entirely clear in her book as to how long she and grieved together (see p. 213). However, Amiir died October 22 and per PrinceVault, performed some one-off shows on October 26 and 27, 1996, so spent no more than 4 days grieving without performing or composing music. The death of Aamir was very likely the single worst event of his adult life, and he spent, at most 4 days, before he resumed composing and performing music, as well as promoting the Emancipation album. . The reason I refer back to 1996 is to make the point that Prince almost never stopped working/making music. I wonder if he may have worked himself to death because he continued to work instead of taking a hiatus so that he could address his chronic pain, opioid dependency, or whatever else might have been ailing him. [Edited 3/27/18 11:05am]

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I feel the same way; if Prince had taken better care of his health and taken some time off, he would most-likely still be here. But, we know that music was his life and he wasn't going to stop.

no...if fentanyl wasnt mixed with his pill poppin..he'd still be alive

ChocolateBox3121 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

People say there's no evidence that he had hip surgery (well, besides the scars on his body). But there's also no real evidence that he was terminal ill. Some people say this, others say that, and I doubt that they know it, I think people from his camp are making assumptions just like the rest of us.

What we know from the leaks is, that the drug had time to circulate in his blood, so it's possible that he felt that something wasn't right with what he took and tried to seek help. It could be possible that he ran to the elevator and then collapsed there.

And Mayte saying "I knew he wasn't doing well" could also be said if he was addicted or abusing drugs, because it's an illness as well, just like cancer and these people don't do so well, do they? If he was sick with cancer for three years, then why didn't he lose more weight than he did? Like, three years with pancreatic cancer and he still had 112 lbs? I'm 5'2 also and I weigh 112lbs too, I look thinner than I did before, specially on my arms and legs but people don't think I am sick.

Funny thing is, my uncle is addicted to cannabis and cigaretts and he lost weight too, a stranger would think he got cancer, but he doesn't have cancer, he's just addicted to cannabis and cigaretts, other than that, he's doing fine.

Let's say he got diagnosed with cancer three years prior, I don't think it would've been possible to give these concerts, because patients say they only got "just enough energy to do one little thing and then it's gone". After three years without decent medical treatment, Prince wouldn't have been able to put up shows like this.

My question is: Why is it so hard for some folks here to believe that he took these pills to manage his hip pain? It's no lesser reason than the cancer thing, it's just a man being in pain, trying to manage it. But it seems like the only legit reason for a person to take these pills would be cancer.

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LISA coleman clearly stated she knew it from hugging him and also just looking at him that he was not well and they obviously knew each other long before. No one is saying PRINCE was not in pain, what I am saying is why are we saying it was from dancing? Seriously, and jumping off risers? I dont buy that because he stopped doing any form of dancing on stage in 1998 like I said, he even changed what he was walking on alot of time. Now many things can be said of his hip surgery, Eddie Van Halen had double hip surgery and guess what caused it, cancerous cells that were removed. Not saying that Prince had cancer, maybe he didnt but maybe that was the cause of his hip pain and not jumping on heels, I mean seriously? I dont doubt there was pain and break down in the body, but folks alot of things cause breakdowns in our backs and legs and knees and most of the time its not something we do its something that is developing. Now no one is saying he was not using fenatyl to help the pain, I even think he was using it for more than that, i think Prince was checking out period, the whole murder idea is really dumb not sure why people even think that. Prince was giving up in reality, the body was breaking down QUICK folks, i can watch him in 2013 and see its starting, and funny how he goes on a tour where he has to hold no weight, be far from people and have no entourage at all or band as his last shot at playing. Folks he knew the days were numbered, he was checking out of this world, the signs were there.

rogifan said:

Midwest Medical Examiners put out a press release basically saying we didn’t leak anything and we’ve released everything we’re legally allowed to release. http://www.anokacounty.us...px?AID=916

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Thanks for sharing the info.

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

...A year ago.....

So they just decided to re-leak it now?

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Like someone else said.......they are putting the info out there probably to refresh the public's memory, and to prepare his fans for new info.