Spinlight said:

It always seemed to me that she ran a hot bath, popped her Xanax and washed it and the burger down w/ the beer, then took the champagne and turkey sandwich in and sat it down, got in the tub, and the hot water dropped her blood pressure and she was fatally sedated. Just drooped right down and went to sleep, leaving her open to ingest all the water, not have any contusions on her face, and look quite morbid when found.

Seems to me she knew she was gonna be in the bath for a while if she went through the trouble of bringing a 2nd drink and 2nd sandwich in with her. That would also explain all the splashed water on the ground in the pic of her tray. If she had just been partially submerged, you wouldn't see all that water sprayed everywhere. If she had already been relaxing and slumped down into the water, pulling her out would soak the floor like it appears in the one picture.

This is plausible.

Ottensen said:

mjscarousal said:

Oh Please shut up... Yall act like yall can dictate peoples posts just because some find issue with them... Why bother to come to a message board if you cant handle other peoples opinions.. I will never get that

Everyone has a right to their opinion regardless if B is of age or not .....

[Edited 3/5/12 21:16pm]

But yet when people have had a different opinion from you on this topic, you call them naive, stupid, and say that they are the reason the country is fucked up. Or at least that's how I understood it. Please feel free to tell me I'm wrong. Otherwise this post simply might fall into a pot meet kettle kinda category, wouldn'tcha say ?

I have never stated that anyone should stop posting or implied that.. that is BIG a difference.

I also didnt directly call anyone those things. I said certain posts were and last time I checked that IS an opinion but you can read whatever you want to read into it..

I'm starting to think Whitney died of some heart condition and this is why everyone is coming out with all these confusing stories. Whitney was overworked on this particular day - she was to do an infomercial, do an interview for Brandy's VH-1 documentary (Behind the Music), then get ready for soundcheck as she, Brandy and Monica were allegedly going to get together to pay tribute to Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award honoree Diana Ross and then attend Clive's party. What's confusing is all the stuff in Whitney's room indicates someone else was in the room and no one is sure who. Pat Houston claims Whitney was ALONE for much of that time with the exception of Krissy until Krissy left that morning so who knows if she was the one who was there eating with her mother and then decided to leave in time for her mother to shoot the infomercial (I think it was for Pat's candle collection but I'm not sure, I didn't remember what Pat said the infomercial was about). The different stories is confusing people so much that most think she might've been killed. Apparently there were thumps but no one is investigating that or why the water from her bathroom leaked leaving to some destruction in another hotel room. And again, that delay in getting Whitney's body out of the hotel. It leads people to a lot of different conclusions plus the mystery of that 911 call. The Oprah interview, as expected, didn't delve into that because Gary and Pat are both acting as if someone shitted on the carpet when it came to 1.) when Whitney died and 2.) who took that picture of her in the casket.

After hearing Pat and Gary's side about the casket picture, I firmly believed Pat (or Gary, or them together or just Pat) sold that picture to the magazine Pat hated to call "a tabloid". And what was up with her speaking like a Jackson family member?

mjscarousal said:

Ottensen said:

But yet when people have had a different opinion from you on this topic, you call them naive, stupid, and say that they are the reason the country is fucked up. Or at least that's how I understood it. Please feel free to tell me I'm wrong. Otherwise this post simply might fall into a pot meet kettle kinda category, wouldn'tcha say ?

I have never stated that anyone should stop posting or implied that.. that is BIG a difference.

I also didnt directly call anyone those things. I said certain posts were and last time I checked that IS an opinion but you can read whatever you want to read into it..

Nobody told you to stop posting in this thread, but that doesn't mean they won't tell you you're wrong. And why the indignation? You really take it that personal? That's your problem, not anyone else's.

And the last time I checked, its ALL a damn opinion. So what the hell makes YOUR opinion more valuable than anyone else's? Nothing. So go ahead and have your ridiculous opinion, but if you have the bravery to speak it out in a public setting you better have the bravery to withstand people telling you it's BS.

Now where's my tiny violin...

RnBAmbassador said:

Some people seem to think Ms. Houston was in the bathtub and slid down after falling unconscious and drowned. Ms. Houston was not in the tub in the usual position.

She was face down in the tub. I do not know how she got in that position, and neither does anyone else (perhaps). When Mary Jones found according to Ms. Jones, she was face down in the tub and Jones started screaming.

This is why I don't buy that she was face down.

If she had been face down and naked (I guess), she woulda had to pass out mid-air/whilst standing and perhaps bump her head. I've heard nothing state she had contusions on her face or anything. But does it not stand to reason that the tub was indeed a bath tub and not a sauna where her whole body could flop into it without hitting the sides?

Seems to me she couldn't have been face down by her own volition. Just seems really hard to believe to me. Passing out in the tub? Yup. Passing out before she got there and not making it in? Yup. But passing out just enough to be floating in water? Come on. This sounds like someone in the Houston camp is lying.

I surely hope that this toxicology report will bring a definite bookend to this tragic ending. The last thing the family needs is more questions... Especially Cissy and Bobbi Kris (Excuse me, Kristina Houston).

Speaking of which, do you guys believe this new story regarding Bobbi Kristina wanting to legally change her name? If its true, I can't imagine how that would make Bobby Brown feel

Musicslave said:

I surely hope that this toxicology report will bring a definite bookend to this tragic ending. The last thing the family needs is more questions... Especially Cissy and Bobbi Kris (Excuse me, Kristina Houston).

Speaking of which, do you guys believe this new story regarding Bobbi Kristina wanting to legally change her name? If its true, I can't imagine how that would make Bobby Brown feel

The source is TMZ so I don't put anything behind that story just yet. Though it's true that daughter don't trust her daddy... I think she's just trying to get her mind right though. She just lost her mother and maybe she don't trust Bobby to be around with yet...

Musicslave said:

I surely hope that this toxicology report will bring a definite bookend to this tragic ending. The last thing the family needs is more questions... Especially Cissy and Bobbi Kris (Excuse me, Kristina Houston).

Speaking of which, do you guys believe this new story regarding Bobbi Kristina wanting to legally change her name? If its true, I can't imagine how that would make Bobby Brown feel

I don't believe it and won't until the news comes from out of her mouth. I'm sure if she did, it would probably make Bobby feel a bit bothered, but I think her name came mostly from her mother, so wouldn't it be a slap to her mother though? Anywho, she's an adult and can change it if she wants, but I think it would be a step that she would later come to regret.

The scenarios into how Whitney really got found could be any of these things:

1.) She got in the pool but was submerged (somehow that story has been debunked)

2.) She had a heart attack and her head hit the water with the rest of her body out.

3.) She had an accidental overdose of Xanax and beer (or some wine) and dropped to the ground before reaching the tub.

----

I'm kinda believing that if water was found on her lungs, number two would be more plausible.

missfee said:

Musicslave said:

I surely hope that this toxicology report will bring a definite bookend to this tragic ending. The last thing the family needs is more questions... Especially Cissy and Bobbi Kris (Excuse me, Kristina Houston).

Speaking of which, do you guys believe this new story regarding Bobbi Kristina wanting to legally change her name? If its true, I can't imagine how that would make Bobby Brown feel

I don't believe it and won't until the news comes from out of her mouth. I'm sure if she did, it would probably make Bobby feel a bit bothered, but I think her name came mostly from her mother, so wouldn't it be a slap to her mother though? Anywho, she's an adult and can change it if she wants, but I think it would be a step that she would later come to regret.

Yeah her mother named her Bobbi Kristina Houston-Brown. Whitney said Krissy always hated to be referred to as "Bobbi" and rather be called "Krissy". Bobby always called her Krissy and Whitney did too. Everyone calls her Krissy. Never "Bobbi". Plus there's already another Bobby (Bobby Brown Jr.) and Bobbi Brown the makeup designer. I could see if she just wanted to be Kristina Houston Brown though.

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

I don't believe it and won't until the news comes from out of her mouth. I'm sure if she did, it would probably make Bobby feel a bit bothered, but I think her name came mostly from her mother, so wouldn't it be a slap to her mother though? Anywho, she's an adult and can change it if she wants, but I think it would be a step that she would later come to regret.

Yeah her mother named her Bobbi Kristina Houston-Brown. Whitney said Krissy always hated to be referred to as "Bobbi" and rather be called "Krissy". Bobby always called her Krissy and Whitney did too. Everyone calls her Krissy. Never "Bobbi". Plus there's already another Bobby (Bobby Brown Jr.) and Bobbi Brown the makeup designer. I could see if she just wanted to be Kristina Houston Brown though.

Exactly why I believe the story...

Timmy84 said:

The scenarios into how Whitney really got found could be any of these things:

1.) She got in the pool but was submerged (somehow that story has been debunked)

2.) She had a heart attack and her head hit the water with the rest of her body out.

3.) She had an accidental overdose of Xanax and beer (or some wine) and dropped to the ground before reaching the tub.

----

I'm kinda believing that if water was found on her lungs, number two would be more plausible.

Well she could have been on her knees outside the tub with one arm in the water and adjusting the handle with the other passed out/heart attack/stroke/died/OD and went head first into the tub. With the one arm in the tub already it wouldn't have been a fall just a slow plunge ie no bruising.

lazycrockett said:

Timmy84 said:

The scenarios into how Whitney really got found could be any of these things:

1.) She got in the pool but was submerged (somehow that story has been debunked)

2.) She had a heart attack and her head hit the water with the rest of her body out.

3.) She had an accidental overdose of Xanax and beer (or some wine) and dropped to the ground before reaching the tub.

----

I'm kinda believing that if water was found on her lungs, number two would be more plausible.

Well she could have been on her knees outside the tub with one arm in the water and adjusting the handle with the other passed out/heart attack/stroke/died/OD and went head first into the tub. With the one arm in the tub already it wouldn't have been a fall just a slow plunge ie no bruising.

It might've been that she went into cardiac arrest. I think I read that people who are found like that usually have cardiac arrest and die almost immediately. Whitney was ready to take a bath when her system shut down. There were rumors the toxicology would come back and say she died accidentally but I'm beginning to think she died of cardiac arrest now. Pills would probably be found in her system but they probably would rule out overdose. The coroner already said that there weren't enough drugs in the room to say she might've had an OD.

^But remember she was mixing pills and drinking so it doesn't take alot.

lazycrockett said:

^But remember she was mixing pills and drinking so it doesn't take alot.

True. I don't know. I just know I don't trust Pat's memory of events. How could you think that Whitney's behavior wasn't drug/alcohol induced? Whitney had been seen drinking in the nightclub. In fact they said Whitney was a notorious drunk. Pat Houston being her manager and all could've helped Whitney but she let her be embarrassed like that in front of the media. Now that she's dead, she wants to act as if she was her savior or something. If you're a close confidant of your client, you don't calmly walk after hearing screams and panicking over what happened to your client. Pat just seems shady to me.

Oh I agree everything is completely wonky. I think alot of follks have scattered and no one really knows who she was around the last couple of days. I think Whitney had compartmentalized alot of people in her life. Some folks didn't know bout other folks and so on.

On the Essence website, they have a video of a press conference Ray J. did to express how Whitney's loss has affected him. Now what was the point in doing that? Isn't that what people do when they feel some type of guilt to do some damage control for what's to come out?

lazycrockett said:

Oh I agree everything is completely wonky. I think alot of follks have scattered and no one really knows who she was around the last couple of days. I think Whitney had compartmentalized alot of people in her life. Some folks didn't know bout other folks and so on.

It was said Whitney moved her entourage with her to Atlanta and paid for almost everything, meaning she had to take care of all those she trusted to take care of her. While she may have done her end of the bargain, they just couldn't or didn't want to.

missfee said:

On the Essence website, they have a video of a press conference Ray J. did to express how Whitney's loss has affected him. Now what was the point in doing that? Isn't that what people do when they feel some type of guilt to do some damage control for what's to come out?

I hate the fact that fucking scrub did a fucking press conference about it.

A PRESS CONFERENCE!

Lemme repeat again:

A FUCKING PRESS CONFERENCE!

The fuck he think he is? Jermaine?

missfee said:

On the Essence website, they have a video of a press conference Ray J. did to express how Whitney's loss has affected him. Now what was the point in doing that? Isn't that what people do when they feel some type of guilt to do some damage control for what's to come out?

A fuckin press conference? wow

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

On the Essence website, they have a video of a press conference Ray J. did to express how Whitney's loss has affected him. Now what was the point in doing that? Isn't that what people do when they feel some type of guilt to do some damage control for what's to come out?

I hate the fact that fucking scrub did a fucking press conference about it.

A PRESS CONFERENCE!

Lemme repeat again:

A FUCKING PRESS CONFERENCE!

The fuck he think he is? Jermaine?

Looks like we had the same idea....wtf?

Yeah, he's the King of that shit.

Musicslave said:

Timmy84 said:

I hate the fact that fucking scrub did a fucking press conference about it.

A PRESS CONFERENCE!

Lemme repeat again:

A FUCKING PRESS CONFERENCE!

The fuck he think he is? Jermaine?

Looks like we had the same idea....wtf?

Yeah, he's the King of that shit.

We did. But I had read on it in another board, when I read "press conference", I was like "this asshole..."

And imagine that. People were expecting Bobby Brown to do that!

Oops...

Well looks like Oprah got what she wanted.

OWN: OPRAH WINFREY NETWORK SCORES MOST WATCHED TELECAST EVER WITH 3.5 MILLION VIEWERS TUNING IN FOR SUNDAY’S

‘OPRAH’S NEXT CHAPTER’

Special Episode Featured Oprah Winfrey’s Exclusive Interview with Whitney Houston’s Daughter Bobbi Kristina and Her Family

Los Angeles – OWN: Oprah Winfrey Network scored its highest ratings ever with 3.5 million viewers tuning in to Oprah Winfrey’s new primetime series “Oprah’s Next Chapter” featuring her exclusive interview with Whitney Houston’s daughter Bobbi Kristina and her family on Sunday, March 11 (9-10:30 p.m. ET/PT).

The episode garnered a 3.1 rating in the key women 25-54 demo, 3.3 in households and 3.5 million total viewers. The episode saw significant triple digit growth across all key demos versus its season average and grew each half hour in the key female demo (3.0, 3.1, 3.2 W25-54).

The episode bested the previous network high of 1.6 million viewers for “Oprah’s Next Chapter” featuring Pastor Joel Osteen (January 8).

http://tvbythenumbers.zap...er/124136/

musicjunky318 said:

Well looks like Oprah got what she wanted.

OWN: OPRAH WINFREY NETWORK SCORES MOST WATCHED TELECAST EVER WITH 3.5 MILLION VIEWERS TUNING IN FOR SUNDAY’S

‘OPRAH’S NEXT CHAPTER’

Special Episode Featured Oprah Winfrey’s Exclusive Interview with Whitney Houston’s Daughter Bobbi Kristina and Her Family

Los Angeles – OWN: Oprah Winfrey Network scored its highest ratings ever with 3.5 million viewers tuning in to Oprah Winfrey’s new primetime series “Oprah’s Next Chapter” featuring her exclusive interview with Whitney Houston’s daughter Bobbi Kristina and her family on Sunday, March 11 (9-10:30 p.m. ET/PT).

The episode garnered a 3.1 rating in the key women 25-54 demo, 3.3 in households and 3.5 million total viewers. The episode saw significant triple digit growth across all key demos versus its season average and grew each half hour in the key female demo (3.0, 3.1, 3.2 W25-54).

The episode bested the previous network high of 1.6 million viewers for “Oprah’s Next Chapter” featuring Pastor Joel Osteen (January 8).

http://tvbythenumbers.zap...er/124136/

Wow.

No shock there.

I don't think anyone will be surprised by those numbers. I'm actually surprised that her network has done so poorly but I that's another topic....

A fucking press conference? First of all who the fuck cares enough to hear what you gotta say that warrants a press conference. I was expecting to hear that he tweeted something crazy last night after that Pam lady called their relationship out... I'm sure he was tempted.

Musicslave said:

I don't think anyone will be surprised by those numbers. I'm actually surprised that her network has done so poorly but I that's another topic....

A fucking press conference? First of all who the fuck cares enough to hear what you gotta say that warrants a press conference. I was expecting to hear that he tweeted something crazy last night after that Pam lady called their relationship out... I'm sure he was tempted.

Some folks said if Ray don't say anything, Brandy or Sonja would. I haven't read they said anything yet but they obviously had to be watching... if it plays out, the Houstons and Norwoods could be at odds if they do begin to air out their beef in public if there is one brewing. Ray J. will forever get the side eye especially after this press conference...

Timmy84 said:

Musicslave said:

I don't think anyone will be surprised by those numbers. I'm actually surprised that her network has done so poorly but I that's another topic....

A fucking press conference? First of all who the fuck cares enough to hear what you gotta say that warrants a press conference. I was expecting to hear that he tweeted something crazy last night after that Pam lady called their relationship out... I'm sure he was tempted.

Some folks said if Ray don't say anything, Brandy or Sonja would. I haven't read they said anything yet but they obviously had to be watching... if it plays out, the Houstons and Norwoods could be at odds if they do begin to air out their beef in public if there is one brewing. Ray J. will forever get the side eye especially after this press conference...

Ray-J is gonna end up getting a lot of backlash. Watch. And he will bring Brandy down with him.

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

Some folks said if Ray don't say anything, Brandy or Sonja would. I haven't read they said anything yet but they obviously had to be watching... if it plays out, the Houstons and Norwoods could be at odds if they do begin to air out their beef in public if there is one brewing. Ray J. will forever get the side eye especially after this press conference...

Ray-J is gonna end up getting a lot of backlash. Watch. And he will bring Brandy down with him.

I believe it. And Brandy is definitely gonna be included in it. Stacy Francis already got a major backlash from her involvement with Whitney.

musicjunky318 said:

Well looks like Oprah got what she wanted.

OWN: OPRAH WINFREY NETWORK SCORES MOST WATCHED TELECAST EVER WITH 3.5 MILLION VIEWERS TUNING IN FOR SUNDAY’S

‘OPRAH’S NEXT CHAPTER’

Special Episode Featured Oprah Winfrey’s Exclusive Interview with Whitney Houston’s Daughter Bobbi Kristina and Her Family

Los Angeles – OWN: Oprah Winfrey Network scored its highest ratings ever with 3.5 million viewers tuning in to Oprah Winfrey’s new primetime series “Oprah’s Next Chapter” featuring her exclusive interview with Whitney Houston’s daughter Bobbi Kristina and her family on Sunday, March 11 (9-10:30 p.m. ET/PT).

The episode garnered a 3.1 rating in the key women 25-54 demo, 3.3 in households and 3.5 million total viewers. The episode saw significant triple digit growth across all key demos versus its season average and grew each half hour in the key female demo (3.0, 3.1, 3.2 W25-54).

The episode bested the previous network high of 1.6 million viewers for “Oprah’s Next Chapter” featuring Pastor Joel Osteen (January 8).

http://tvbythenumbers.zap...er/124136/

Congrats to Oprah on a very well done interview. She asked just the right questions. Even though she didn't always get the right anwsers from Pat. Glad Krissy is following in her parents footsteps. I'm sure she inherited all that talent. I just wish Oprah didn't keep trying to make Bobby out to be a factor in all the problems. Bobby was talented also so Krissy can very well follow in his footsteps also besides Whitney.. Pat threw Ray totally under the bus & Staci. She made Staci out to be stalker.....