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Printableseeingvoices12 said: babybugz said: what tmz posted who knows lol bullcrap 
You don't steal something you are part of , Mj is credited as songwriter or co-writer of the song. The article kind contradicts itself....dumb as the one who created it on TMZ The song is not that great anyway….lol | |
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tangerine7 said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: posted my response. i understand what you mean about some... some are snobby(i see it often on MJ fan boards),but hey i think all of us here that post arent like that. i can't speak for someone else but i think they mean the same they love michael as a whole, and since his passing i think we all feel a bit emotional about it all. [Edited 10/12/09 15:46pm] Exactly | |
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graecophilos said: So, Paul Anka reveiled the song was written in 1983, NOT 1980, Jay.
I assume MJs vocals are from 1983, he sounds the same at the Love Never Felt So Good demo. If you look at the U.S. Copyright Office, "This Is It" is credited as being created in 1980 along with Love Never Felt So Good That's where I got the date from "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: graecophilos said: So, Paul Anka reveiled the song was written in 1983, NOT 1980, Jay.
I assume MJs vocals are from 1983, he sounds the same at the Love Never Felt So Good demo. If you look at the U.S. Copyright Office, "This Is It" is credited as being created in 1980 along with Love Never Felt So Good That's where I got the date from Ditto. That's where I got it from also. Unless they re-wrote the song, but the original song was created in 1980 (like bboy stated) and copyrighted in 1984 | |
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they added his brothers vocals or was it already on the song? | |
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babybugz said: they added his brothers vocals or was it already on the song?
The vocals could have already been there since it's rumored to be an outtake from the Destiny session | |
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The hot mess appears that sony music gave Mj the full credit as the songwriter of the song when in fact it was co-written with anka, , anka got crazed cause he didn't want to miss the $$$$$ from the sales , but thats his right...he was the co-writer of the song.
Its all sony's fault again...so fuck Sony again. MICHAEL JACKSON
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ViintageJunkiie said: babybugz said: they added his brothers vocals or was it already on the song?
The vocals could have already been there since it's rumored to be an outtake from the Destiny session it was made in 1980 wouldn't that be from truimph , I guess either one though | |
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seeingvoices12 said: The hot mess appears that sony music gave Mj the full credit as the songwriter of the song when in fact it was co-written with anka, , anka got crazed cause he didn't want to miss the $$$$$ from the sales , but thats his right...he was the co-writer of the song.
Its all sony's fault again...so fuck Sony again. Always sony | |
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babybugz said: ViintageJunkiie said: The vocals could have already been there since it's rumored to be an outtake from the Destiny session it was made in 1980 wouldn't that be from truimph , I guess either one though It could be either one in all actuality, but it might have been Triumph now that I think about it. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: bboy87 said: If you look at the U.S. Copyright Office, "This Is It" is credited as being created in 1980 along with Love Never Felt So Good That's where I got the date from Ditto. That's where I got it from also. Unless they re-wrote the song, but the original song was created in 1980 (like bboy stated) and copyrighted in 1984 Maybe the brothers worked on it while they were working on Victory. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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babybugz said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: no it's not that at all. it's your tone. the fact when you comment on mj threads as well with other old school mj fans, you guys act like the era you like is the best and if somethin likes michael's music/concerts/dancing/music videos post-thriller era, then you must be crazy and a crazy mj floon. I love Michael's music from the time he recorded his first record with baby boy to butterflies to the way that you love me. It doesn't make me or any other mj fan any less of a fan or crazy either if I or other mj fans love his music post thriller. I appreciate and like most of his music as the same goes for other mj fans. There is nothing wrong with that. The air of snobbyness that some mj fans especially old scool fans is apalling. I was raise on janet so I don't know how old school you would considered me , I didn't get into michael till later on which was the invicible era so i must not be that old school right I got hooked when I heard butterlies.There's nothing wrong with liking the music past bad I prefer keyword prefer the off the wall stuff more because i like most of the songs fron those era's and I wasn't born during those era's either. I love him for his dancing too so isn't the dancing stuff past off the wall  Nobody is coming in here saying you should choosethis era over that era it's what I like I don't sense no snobbyness so don't know what you talking about i'm not one of those fans that all of a sudden starting loving MJ if I was so anti new school MJ I would have not became a fan period so whatever you considered type i'm not in that section just to let you know smhthat's fine. but you act like it's wrong to like michael's music post thriller with some of your posts and with your tone. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: babybugz said: it was made in 1980 wouldn't that be from truimph , I guess either one though It could be either one in all actuality, but it might have been Triumph now that I think about it. Not triumph.... according to anka, the song was created in 1983 which means after thriller.... Paul Anka Says He Shares Copyright to New Jackson Song When Michael Jackson’s new single, “This Is It,” was released on Sunday night, many listeners were surprised by its resemblance to “I Never Heard,” a 1991 track by the R&B singer Safire, which gave songwriting credit to Mr. Jackson and Paul Anka. Skip to next paragraph Related A Jackson Song Arrives, and the Discussion Begins (October 13, 2009) Times Topics: Michael Jackson Blog ArtsBeat The latest on the arts, coverage of live events, critical reviews, multimedia extravaganzas and much more. Join the discussion. More Arts NewsBut no one was more surprised than Mr. Anka, who said in an interview on Monday that he had not been contacted about the use of the song and that he was not given proper writing credit for the single, which now credits only Mr. Jackson as a writer. “They have a major, major problem on their hands,” he said. “They will be sued if they don’t correct it.” The song was released to radio stations and MichaelJackson.com at midnight on Sunday, and will play during the closing credits to the film “This Is It,” about Mr. Jackson’s planned concert run in London, which is scheduled to be released on Oct. 28. For Mr. Anka, the song has a long and painful history. He said that he and Mr. Jackson wrote and recorded it in 1983 in Mr. Anka’s studio in Carmel, Calif., and that it was intended as a duet for Mr. Anka’s album “Walk a Fine Line.” But shortly after it was recorded, Mr. Jackson took the tapes, Mr. Anka said. He threatened to sue to get them back, he said, and now has the original multitrack tapes in his possession, along with documentation that the copyright for the song was held by both men. “It’s exactly the same song,” Mr. Anka said. “They just changed the title.” “This Is It” was based on a tape that Mr. Jackson left behind, containing only his piano and vocal. John McClain, a record executive and producer whom Mr. Jackson named in his will as an executor, built a full arrangement around it, including backup vocals by Mr. Jackson’s brothers. Aside from a few major differences in the lyrics, the song is almost identical to “I Never Heard.” Rob Stringer, the chairman of the Columbia/Epic Label Group, said in an interview on Sunday that he did not know when Mr. Jackson’s original tape had been recorded and that he had not known about its similarity to the Safire track until Mr. Jackson’s fans discussed it online over the weekend. Mr. Stringer declined to comment further on Monday. Representatives of the Jackson estate did not immediately respond to requests for comment http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=1 MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: ViintageJunkiie said: It could be either one in all actuality, but it might have been Triumph now that I think about it. Not triumph.... according to anka, the song was created in 1983 which means after thriller.... Paul Anka Says He Shares Copyright to New Jackson Song When Michael Jackson’s new single, “This Is It,” was released on Sunday night, many listeners were surprised by its resemblance to “I Never Heard,” a 1991 track by the R&B singer Safire, which gave songwriting credit to Mr. Jackson and Paul Anka. Skip to next paragraph Related A Jackson Song Arrives, and the Discussion Begins (October 13, 2009) Times Topics: Michael Jackson Blog ArtsBeat The latest on the arts, coverage of live events, critical reviews, multimedia extravaganzas and much more. Join the discussion. More Arts NewsBut no one was more surprised than Mr. Anka, who said in an interview on Monday that he had not been contacted about the use of the song and that he was not given proper writing credit for the single, which now credits only Mr. Jackson as a writer. “They have a major, major problem on their hands,” he said. “They will be sued if they don’t correct it.” The song was released to radio stations and MichaelJackson.com at midnight on Sunday, and will play during the closing credits to the film “This Is It,” about Mr. Jackson’s planned concert run in London, which is scheduled to be released on Oct. 28. For Mr. Anka, the song has a long and painful history. He said that he and Mr. Jackson wrote and recorded it in 1983 in Mr. Anka’s studio in Carmel, Calif., and that it was intended as a duet for Mr. Anka’s album “Walk a Fine Line.” But shortly after it was recorded, Mr. Jackson took the tapes, Mr. Anka said. He threatened to sue to get them back, he said, and now has the original multitrack tapes in his possession, along with documentation that the copyright for the song was held by both men. “It’s exactly the same song,” Mr. Anka said. “They just changed the title.” “This Is It” was based on a tape that Mr. Jackson left behind, containing only his piano and vocal. John McClain, a record executive and producer whom Mr. Jackson named in his will as an executor, built a full arrangement around it, including backup vocals by Mr. Jackson’s brothers. Aside from a few major differences in the lyrics, the song is almost identical to “I Never Heard.” Rob Stringer, the chairman of the Columbia/Epic Label Group, said in an interview on Sunday that he did not know when Mr. Jackson’s original tape had been recorded and that he had not known about its similarity to the Safire track until Mr. Jackson’s fans discussed it online over the weekend. Mr. Stringer declined to comment further on Monday. Representatives of the Jackson estate did not immediately respond to requests for comment http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=1 It's possible that it WAS recorded in 1983, but as Bboy stated, the U.S Copyright office has the song listed as being created in 1980 & not copyrighted until 1984. Either way it goes, it was in the 80's I guess. | |
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U.S Copyright information on "This Is It"
Type of Work: Music Registration Number / Date: PAu000668598 / 1984-11-16 Title: This is it / Michael Jackson. Description: 1 sound cassette. Copyright Claimant: Mijac Music Date of Creation: 1980 Authorship on Application: words & music: Michael Jackson. Names: Jackson, Michael, Mijac Music | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: seeingvoices12 said: Not triumph.... according to anka, the song was created in 1983 which means after thriller.... Paul Anka Says He Shares Copyright to New Jackson Song When Michael Jackson’s new single, “This Is It,” was released on Sunday night, many listeners were surprised by its resemblance to “I Never Heard,” a 1991 track by the R&B singer Safire, which gave songwriting credit to Mr. Jackson and Paul Anka. Skip to next paragraph Related A Jackson Song Arrives, and the Discussion Begins (October 13, 2009) Times Topics: Michael Jackson Blog ArtsBeat The latest on the arts, coverage of live events, critical reviews, multimedia extravaganzas and much more. Join the discussion. More Arts NewsBut no one was more surprised than Mr. Anka, who said in an interview on Monday that he had not been contacted about the use of the song and that he was not given proper writing credit for the single, which now credits only Mr. Jackson as a writer. “They have a major, major problem on their hands,” he said. “They will be sued if they don’t correct it.” The song was released to radio stations and MichaelJackson.com at midnight on Sunday, and will play during the closing credits to the film “This Is It,” about Mr. Jackson’s planned concert run in London, which is scheduled to be released on Oct. 28. For Mr. Anka, the song has a long and painful history. He said that he and Mr. Jackson wrote and recorded it in 1983 in Mr. Anka’s studio in Carmel, Calif., and that it was intended as a duet for Mr. Anka’s album “Walk a Fine Line.” But shortly after it was recorded, Mr. Jackson took the tapes, Mr. Anka said. He threatened to sue to get them back, he said, and now has the original multitrack tapes in his possession, along with documentation that the copyright for the song was held by both men. “It’s exactly the same song,” Mr. Anka said. “They just changed the title.” “This Is It” was based on a tape that Mr. Jackson left behind, containing only his piano and vocal. John McClain, a record executive and producer whom Mr. Jackson named in his will as an executor, built a full arrangement around it, including backup vocals by Mr. Jackson’s brothers. Aside from a few major differences in the lyrics, the song is almost identical to “I Never Heard.” Rob Stringer, the chairman of the Columbia/Epic Label Group, said in an interview on Sunday that he did not know when Mr. Jackson’s original tape had been recorded and that he had not known about its similarity to the Safire track until Mr. Jackson’s fans discussed it online over the weekend. Mr. Stringer declined to comment further on Monday. Representatives of the Jackson estate did not immediately respond to requests for comment http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=1 It's possible that it WAS recorded in 1983, but as Bboy stated, the U.S Copyright office has the song listed as being created in 1980 & not copyrighted until 1984. Either way it goes, it was in the 80's I guess. I'm gonna call it: it was recorded in 1981. | |
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Timmy84 said: ViintageJunkiie said: It's possible that it WAS recorded in 1983, but as Bboy stated, the U.S Copyright office has the song listed as being created in 1980 & not copyrighted until 1984. Either way it goes, it was in the 80's I guess. I'm gonna call it: it was recorded in 1981. The song probably plays out the same way Michael's "PYT" did. So maybe Michaels solo version was created in 1980, and just like Quincy and James re-wrote "PYT", maybe Anka re-wrote "This Is It" with MJ in 1983. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: U.S Copyright information on "This Is It"
Type of Work: Music Registration Number / Date: PAu000668598 / 1984-11-16 Title: This is it / Michael Jackson. Description: 1 sound cassette. Copyright Claimant: Mijac Music Date of Creation: 1980 Authorship on Application: words & music: Michael Jackson. Names: Jackson, Michael, Mijac Music ^^^ and there you have it Looks like Michael's "This Is It", the REAL "This Is It" is still unreleased
Am I gonna have to apply for a job at Sony? "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: ViintageJunkiie said: U.S Copyright information on "This Is It"
Type of Work: Music Registration Number / Date: PAu000668598 / 1984-11-16 Title: This is it / Michael Jackson. Description: 1 sound cassette. Copyright Claimant: Mijac Music Date of Creation: 1980 Authorship on Application: words & music: Michael Jackson. Names: Jackson, Michael, Mijac Music ^^^ and there you have it Looks like Michael's "This Is It", the REAL "This Is It" is still unreleased
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: babybugz said: I was raise on janet so I don't know how old school you would considered me , I didn't get into michael till later on which was the invicible era so i must not be that old school right I got hooked when I heard butterlies.There's nothing wrong with liking the music past bad I prefer keyword prefer the off the wall stuff more because i like most of the songs fron those era's and I wasn't born during those era's either. I love him for his dancing too so isn't the dancing stuff past off the wall Nobody is coming in here saying you should choosethis era over that era it's what I like I don't sense no snobbyness so don't know what you talking about i'm not one of those fans that all of a sudden starting loving MJ if I was so anti new school MJ I would have not became a fan period so whatever you considered type i'm not in that section just to let you know smhthat's fine. but you act like it's wrong to like michael's music post thriller with some of your posts and with your tone. I don't act like nothing and who are these other people who are old school loving mj fans what are there poster names , I said earlier people my age go right to bad and dangerous and skip everything else that's all I said sometimes oldschool mj don't get no love That's all ..I didn't say you must like off the wall and the other ones smh .i'm not trying to be rude but if it upsets you this much.get a life seriously the era's don't matter shit i'm done 
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Timmy84 said: ViintageJunkiie said: It's possible that it WAS recorded in 1983, but as Bboy stated, the U.S Copyright office has the song listed as being created in 1980 & not copyrighted until 1984. Either way it goes, it was in the 80's I guess. I'm gonna call it: it was recorded in 1981. I trust you timmy | |
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 "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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TMZ are fucking assholes, Mj would never steal anybody's work, he was talented enough to create songs , why the hell they called Mj a thief when it appeared that anka was only mad that he wasn't given credits on the song...losers. MICHAEL JACKSON
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babybugz said: Timmy84 said: I'm gonna call it: it was recorded in 1981. I trust you timmy   | |
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seeingvoices12 said: TMZ are fucking assholes, Mj would never steal anybody's work, he was talented enough to create songs , why the hell they called Mj a thief when it appeared that anka was only mad that he wasn't given credits on the song...losers.
i know the stupid article contradicts itself. if michael co-wrote it then it's his song too. people just love to ruin a moment for attention "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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graecophilos said: So, Paul Anka reveiled the song was written in 1983, NOT 1980, Jay.
I assume MJs vocals are from 1983, he sounds the same at the Love Never Felt So Good demo. yeah 1983/1984 "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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Oct 12 2009 12:55 PM EDT
Michael Jackson's 'This Is It': The Past, The Present, A Perfect MJ Tune Song showcases MJ's often-overlooked talent as a singer. By James Montgomery Michael was a hell of a singer. I only say this because to the casual music fan, it might not be apparent. Whether it was because so much about him — his dance moves, his style, his swagger — was so dynamic, or because he rarely spoke above a whisper, or even because he frequently peppered his verses with vocal ticks (like those oft-imitated "Hee-hee's"), Jackson remains one of the most underrated vocal artists in music history. And that's a shame, because his voice was a wondrous thing, capable of reaching both towering heights (the final verse of "Rock With You") and depths ("Childhood"). It was technical, but it was also decidedly human, too, full of pump-priming rage ("Man in the Mirror") one minute, tethered tenderness the next ("She's Out of My Life"). It was a finely tuned instrument that, when unfurled, revealed all the pain and frustration and joy of Jackson's life ... a window inside the man's soul. It could stop you in your tracks and raise the hair on the back of your neck. It was something to behold. But don't take my word for it. Just listen to "This Is It," the title track to Jackson's posthumous concert-film/double album that premiered at midnight on Monday (October 12). Because if anything, it's reinforcement of my original point: Jackson was a powerhouse vocalist. The origins of the song may remain cloudy — it was reportedly written in 1980, in the fertile period between Jackson's Off the Wall and Thriller albums, and recorded in the mid-to-late '80s, in between the Bad and Dangerous albums — but really, none of that really matters: "This Is It" is a prime showcase for Jackson's prodigious pipes, which means that the best way to experience it — indeed, the best way to pay tribute to the man and his music — is to turn the volume up, sit back, and just listen. Ignore the trilling strings, and the soft-jazz/light-funk backing track (which sort of make the song sound like Off the Wall's "I Can't Help It.") Block out the hype surrounding the song's release and the drama surrounding Jackson's death. Focus on those vocals — the way Jackson counts it in with a boyish "one, two, three, four," the way he glides from verse to verse with breathless, effortless phrasing, the lean-yet-heavy falsetto, the hint of gravel (and gravitas) is the verses, the soaring choruses — it's all there, untarnished by time or tabloids. And it's all wonderful. In a lot of ways, "This Is It" might be the perfect Michael Jackson tune. And by that I mean, while it's by no means his best, or his most memorable, it might be his most representative. It's a mixture of his yearning early years and his messianic later period, and it shines a light on the best aspects of both: His voice. Because, just in case you weren't aware, Michael Jackson was a hell of a singer. "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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mimi07 said: Oct 12 2009 12:55 PM EDT
Michael Jackson's 'This Is It': The Past, The Present, A Perfect MJ Tune Song showcases MJ's often-overlooked talent as a singer. By James Montgomery Michael was a hell of a singer. I only say this because to the casual music fan, it might not be apparent. Whether it was because so much about him — his dance moves, his style, his swagger — was so dynamic, or because he rarely spoke above a whisper, or even because he frequently peppered his verses with vocal ticks (like those oft-imitated "Hee-hee's"), Jackson remains one of the most underrated vocal artists in music history. And that's a shame, because his voice was a wondrous thing, capable of reaching both towering heights (the final verse of "Rock With You") and depths ("Childhood"). It was technical, but it was also decidedly human, too, full of pump-priming rage ("Man in the Mirror") one minute, tethered tenderness the next ("She's Out of My Life"). It was a finely tuned instrument that, when unfurled, revealed all the pain and frustration and joy of Jackson's life ... a window inside the man's soul. It could stop you in your tracks and raise the hair on the back of your neck. It was something to behold. But don't take my word for it. Just listen to "This Is It," the title track to Jackson's posthumous concert-film/double album that premiered at midnight on Monday (October 12). Because if anything, it's reinforcement of my original point: Jackson was a powerhouse vocalist. The origins of the song may remain cloudy — it was reportedly written in 1980, in the fertile period between Jackson's Off the Wall and Thriller albums, and recorded in the mid-to-late '80s, in between the Bad and Dangerous albums — but really, none of that really matters: "This Is It" is a prime showcase for Jackson's prodigious pipes, which means that the best way to experience it — indeed, the best way to pay tribute to the man and his music — is to turn the volume up, sit back, and just listen. Ignore the trilling strings, and the soft-jazz/light-funk backing track (which sort of make the song sound like Off the Wall's "I Can't Help It.") Block out the hype surrounding the song's release and the drama surrounding Jackson's death. Focus on those vocals — the way Jackson counts it in with a boyish "one, two, three, four," the way he glides from verse to verse with breathless, effortless phrasing, the lean-yet-heavy falsetto, the hint of gravel (and gravitas) is the verses, the soaring choruses — it's all there, untarnished by time or tabloids. And it's all wonderful. In a lot of ways, "This Is It" might be the perfect Michael Jackson tune. And by that I mean, while it's by no means his best, or his most memorable, it might be his most representative. It's a mixture of his yearning early years and his messianic later period, and it shines a light on the best aspects of both: His voice. Because, just in case you weren't aware, Michael Jackson was a hell of a singer.  Brilliant. Just brilliant! THIS should be posted on TMZ and all other popular music news sites."You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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