Vannormal said:

RODSERLING said:

Mostly complaints about the LACK of new releases these days. Almost a year between SOTT deluxe and Welcome 2 America. And still nothing scheduled before at least April of 2022. And according to some insiders, not coming before September/October,

What do you know from your ''insiders'' ?

Not one of us here knows shit in my opinion to be honest.

It just could be that in januari there might be an announcement,

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Nope. Not gonna happen. That would step on the Sony/Legacy reissues in Feb. So no announcement until those are in stores. And then certainly not one immediately after.

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Earliest announcement is IMHO around mid-april. Considering that between annoucnement and release these days there's 3/4 months: release in mid-/late-July. Which means very little chance of a major release in second half of 2022.

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Alternative: lightweight release around Prince's birthday à la Originals, with announcement in mid-April or perhaps mid-March, and major SDE announcement shortly after 7 June for release in Oct/Nov.

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And if the Netflix series drops in 2023, I'd expect a proper SDE for PR that year to ride on that wave.

RODSERLING said:

Keaton's Batman is coming back in a couple of movies in 2022/2023. So as I already said last year, a Batman SDE would make sense then.

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Completely different things.

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Plus what's gonna be on a Batman SDE? Barely any outtakes from that era, but if they're smart they'd keep the Rave stuff etc. for a GB SDE.

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At most we'd get an Expanded Batman: everything remastered, plus singles and remixes etc. Perhaps a couple of outtakes from those sessions as bonus tracks. At most a 2CD set. Perhaps throw in a DVD with the videos.

RODSERLING said:

BartVanHemelen said:

the grand progression

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

sulls said:

I have a family of 5 and it’s not an easy sell to the other 4 that daddy needs to spend a decent chunk of the family kitty on something just for him.

Sulls, youre clearly a good dad, many don't prioritize their kids needs above their own. You are the winner as the music will still be there when they grow up, they won't be little long. prince can take a back seat, he wont mind.
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8up said:

bozojones said:

Are you the same guy who was hitting every thread last night to brag about how much more disposable income you have? What a clown.

Yes,I did reply to two posts and I knew they would not come off well. I apologize and did not mean to offend anyone. I just get bored reading about how people don't like the costs of new releases. I mowed lawns as a kid just to buy Prince records.

Kudos for owning up to it instead of getting defensive, I respect that. I think people are justified in being annoyed by obvious cash-grabs when there's so much material that could be released instead, but I don't have anything against people who spend money on these variants and get some genuine joy out of it. Just remember that having more spending money doesn't make you a better person or bigger fan than anyone else

BartVanHemelen said:

herb4 said:

Well people dont realize what goes into manufacturing these releases, especially vinyl at this point, if you are looking for vinyl sets to drop in price, you are going to be waiting a LONG LONG TIME. Now with supply chain issues, printing and shipping vinyl is having major issues, if U want something you better jump on it quick especially if its one of these larger sets because demand and quantity are not matching up. But also the thing is like I heard a KISS fan say recently about spending 200 on their Destroyer 4cd set, yes 200 thats basically what it goes for. He said they arent forcing you to buy it, 200 is crazy even with all the other stuff in the box but the band is not forcing you to buy it, and you could get it in smaller packages too. I know we all want it all and think prices should drop on these things but they arent coming down, sometimes you get a deal or the $$ seems worth it, or you have the $$ at the time or you dont its that simple. As for the complaint on Prince things when there are reissues, the ones that just come out on Vinyl and CD like Chaos and disorder and all those things are part of the Legacy deal, you arent going to get something new from that, with the exception of getting something on vinyl that never was on it. ALSO Im not sure if anyone has noticed or realized this but with the exception of PR and the Very Best of and the package of hits that came out in 2016, and these new pressings, all of his catalog is out of print, meaning YES you can still order it on amazon or whatever, but the labels are not making any of the older pressings anymore. And for the complaint of "we have it already" when we get outtakes that we have on bootlegs, the estate is not in the bootleg business, as much as PRINCE knew this stuff was out there and probably the people doing these deluxes are, its not there problem we spent hundreds and hundreds on illegal stuff, I mean do you really think the person in charge is saying lets not reissue these outtakes because it was on a bootleg that im sure people bought? really?

Well, to help out the heirs and thus the Estate, i'd gladly pay $200 (or equivalent in euro or BTC) for a 4CD set, if only these releases came quicker....!

Much quicker.

RODSERLING said:

herb4 said:

Maybe, but I don't see a Batman Prince reissue making much noise.

Perhaps MAYBE if they worked with the film makers and timed some weird re-release of Batdance (or better, use that song in the movie somewhere) but...eh. Keaton's role is a cameo in The Flash movie too if I'm reading the news right, so it's just minor fan service I think.

The success of that album had everything to do with the film and next to nothing to do with the quality of the music. It was a collection of rehashed songs that our man had lying around with some lyrics switched around that Prince cobbled together and WB slapped a Batman logo on since, in 1989, that was a license to print money and you could market a cat turd by simply changing one letter and calling it a Bat Turd. I doubt there's a treasure trove of outtakes here, nor a ton of fan interest.

Prince got to cash a nice check and put out an OK-ish album but, by and large, no one considers it anywhere close to a classic - despite its sales - and even fans of the movie sort of slot the album as more of a novelty than anything else. Aside from "Partyman", which aint that great, and "Trust" (also not great), Prince's music was totally BURIED in the actual film and, over time, has played second fiddle to Danny Elfman's legendary score.

If Prince had put out that same record and that same single minus that logo, neither go to #1 and fly off the shelves absent the strength of those bat wings folded up out of hundred dollar bills.

Because the 1999 amd SOTT did much noise? No. They were bought only by Prince fans. With Batman you have at least the chance it will be bought buy hardcore-sucker Batman fans, old and new, just like Ghostbusters. The Keaton's Batman logo, which is the cover of Prince album, is still the most popular. I often see kids wearing t-shirts, casket, bag, etc. With that logo on it. [Edited 12/24/21 1:59am] [Edited 12/24/21 2:00am] [Edited 12/24/21 2:07am]

From what I read, I think they kind of did, especially for a deceased artist that would be what, 63 years old right now? Not as much as PR but they sold OK.

And, sure, "they were bought by Prince fans" because...well, duh. Except that by "Prince fans", that encompasses people who say "yeah, I love Prince" who mainly remember him from the 80's and probably bought them out of nostalgia. Not people like us who still post on this board that will buy anything.

And, unlike the SDE releases we've gotten so far, I don't see a lot of potential crossover audience for something like Batman. The hardcore fans aren't nuts about it or clamouring for it and I doubt that the more casual fans have a ton of nostalgia for it either. Hardly anyone (casual or hardcore) considered it a grand artistic acheivement.

I could be wrong, of course, and maybe there's actually a way to market and sell the thing (Batman). Also, if you're right, then the estate may as well cue up Lovesexy, Parade, CB2, the live box set, etc. especially if, like you said, it's only the "fans" buying the stuff. I just think there's a difference between people who love Prince, People Who L.O.V.E. Prince and what they'll spend money on.

herb4 said:

RODSERLING said:

herb4 said:

From what I read, I think they kind of did, especially for a deceased artist that would be what, 63 years old right now? Not as much as PR but they sold OK.

And, sure, "they were bought by Prince fans" because...well, duh. Except that by "Prince fans", that encompasses people who say "yeah, I love Prince" who mainly remember him from the 80's and probably bought them out of nostalgia. Not people like us who still post on this board that will buy anything.

And, unlike the SDE releases we've gotten so far, I don't see a lot of potential crossover audience for something like Batman. The hardcore fans aren't nuts about it or clamouring for it and I doubt that the more casual fans have a ton of nostalgia for it either. Hardly anyone (casual or hardcore) considered it a grand artistic acheivement.

I could be wrong, of course, and maybe there's actually a way to market and sell the thing (Batman). Also, if you're right, then the estate may as well cue up Lovesexy, Parade, CB2, the live box set, etc. especially if, like you said, it's only the "fans" buying the stuff. I just think there's a difference between people who love Prince, People Who L.O.V.E. Prince and what they'll spend money on.

I have news for you : they could sell Parade, Lovesexy, 1999, or Batman or whatever : it would sell more or less the same amount, at an equal price. So I don't understand the reasonning behind your assumption than a Batman SDE wouldn't sell. Because a Parade or a D&P would sell more? No.

I have no idea. Sounds like you have strong opinions about it though.

I tried to make my reasoning rather clear and thought I explained my thoughts about it pretty well.

I think D&P is the last big commercial cash grab and that, after that, we're looking at vault material and live stuff to mine what's left of the gold. I think that 1999, PR and SoTT would/will/did rake in MORE extraneous buyers beyond the hardcore fan base than Lovesexy, Parade, GB and cetainly Batman will/would. I'm not sure why that might be a controversial opinion.

Again, I could be wrong. I'm not in control of the estate. I know what I would do, I know what I want to have and I'm not a marketing executive nor a record producer so I'm just speculating about supply and demand moving forward and just don't see it with fucking Batman is all. If I'm rading you right (and maybe I'm not), you seem to be implying that ONLY people like us are buying this stuff and I don't think that's true. Could be.

Anything they release will SELL. The question is how much and what's worth doing? I ponied up for 1999, PR and SoTT primarily for the outtakes/vault stuff. I'm not talking primarlily about fans like US so much as fans in general. It's like the difference with fans of an NFL team that will pay for tickets, a cable package and jerseys vs people who will catch a game on TV now and again.

I thought I worded my opinions rather succinctly but feel free to ask me any specific follow up questions if you found something I wrote to be vague or unclear.

Thanks.

It's very frustrating when we know how much there is to be released! All I can do is spend my money elsewhere and the estate lose out. More money for my Star Wars figure addiction!
There is a waiting audience (although dwindling) that will happily spend money every month on new Prince music - I'm not into the merch and re-issues, so seems a wasted income stream for the Estate. On the flip side I guess it's hard to monetise digital music these days and the physical stuff takes a lot of time to get out.

Dandroppedadime said:

It's very frustrating when we know how much there is to be released! All I can do is spend my money elsewhere and the estate lose out. More money for my Star Wars figure addiction!
There is a waiting audience (although dwindling) that will happily spend money every month on new Prince music - I'm not into the merch and re-issues, so seems a wasted income stream for the Estate. On the flip side I guess it's hard to monetise digital music these days and the physical stuff takes a lot of time to get out.

It'll come out, believe me. Remember also, that not all of that shit stored in that vault is golden.

Prince probably shelved a lot of it for good reason. As much as I like the vault CD's we got on the SDE's so far, not all of it is what I'd consider to be killer. But as a fan, I was still happy to hear most of it.

I have a feeling regardless of what happens in 2022 or 2023 we can pretty much on some giant deluxe PR for the 40th anniversary, yes they already had a re do deluxe but that was a quick get it out now job, and there are artists that have redone remasters multiple times and added more and made them deluxes, Black Sabbath is infamous for this some fan of there's told me one of their albums has been remastered boxed deluxes four times, including two versions only three or four years apart

God I hope not.

I'm Purple Rained out and have been for some time.

LoveGalore said:

lastdecember said:

I have a feeling regardless of what happens in 2022 or 2023 we can pretty much on some giant deluxe PR for the 40th anniversary, yes they already had a re do deluxe but that was a quick get it out now job, and there are artists that have redone remasters multiple times and added more and made them deluxes, Black Sabbath is infamous for this some fan of there's told me one of their albums has been remastered boxed deluxes four times, including two versions only three or four years apart

Purple Rain is a double-dip that I honestly won't mind as long as they actually do it right next time. We're long overdue for a high quality release of the original "G-Spot"

bozojones said:

lastdecember said:

I have a feeling regardless of what happens in 2022 or 2023 we can pretty much on some giant deluxe PR for the 40th anniversary, yes they already had a re do deluxe but that was a quick get it out now job, and there are artists that have redone remasters multiple times and added more and made them deluxes, Black Sabbath is infamous for this some fan of there's told me one of their albums has been remastered boxed deluxes four times, including two versions only three or four years apart

Purple Rain is a double-dip that I honestly won't mind as long as they actually do it right next time. We're long overdue for a high quality release of the original "G-Spot"

Same here. I'd prefer they go into uncharted territory, but I'm always up for another Purple Rain release, provided they get it right this time.

RODSERLING said:

herb4 said:

herb4 said:

RODSERLING said:

herb4 said:

I have no idea. Sounds like you have strong opinions about it though.

I tried to make my reasoning rather clear and thought I explained my thoughts about it pretty well.

I think D&P is the last big commercial cash grab and that, after that, we're looking at vault material and live stuff to mine what's left of the gold. I think that 1999, PR and SoTT would/will/did rake in MORE extraneous buyers beyond the hardcore fan base than Lovesexy, Parade, GB and cetainly Batman will/would. I'm not sure why that might be a controversial opinion.

Again, I could be wrong. I'm not in control of the estate. I know what I would do, I know what I want to have and I'm not a marketing executive nor a record producer so I'm just speculating about supply and demand moving forward and just don't see it with fucking Batman is all. If I'm rading you right (and maybe I'm not), you seem to be implying that ONLY people like us are buying this stuff and I don't think that's true. Could be.

Anything they release will SELL. The question is how much and what's worth doing? I ponied up for 1999, PR and SoTT primarily for the outtakes/vault stuff. I'm not talking primarlily about fans like US so much as fans in general. It's like the difference with fans of an NFL team that will pay for tickets, a cable package and jerseys vs people who will catch a game on TV now and again.

I thought I worded my opinions rather succinctly but feel free to ask me any specific follow up questions if you found something I wrote to be vague or unclear.

Thanks.

I don't know where you got that D&P was " The last commercial cash-grab"?

From the Billboard 100 sales figures and the top 10 single releases, minus what the estate has already put out (1999, PR, SoTT). Meaning, the next biggest seller (aside from Batman)

You seem to be just kind of shouting into the wind and saying I'm wrong about Batman without really engaging with much at all that I wrote about it. Fuck it, then. Bring on Batman SDE and we'll see I guess. I don't care but would prefer CB2 or a love box set with aftershows.

I have no dog in this fight nor is it some hill I want to die on. I'm just talkin and speculating.

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herb4 said: