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Reply #240 posted 02/12/22 9:13am

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udo said:

When we see this video, then we have to complain.

Wow...........just wow. disbelief

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Reply #241 posted 02/12/22 12:04pm

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lurker316 said:


I understand the practicle problems with the supply chain preventing any imminent major releases, but the Estate needs to do something to keep fans excited and engaged. They need to keep the buzz going, not let it peter out.

Even though W2A was a bit divisive among fans, at least it gave us something to debate. It kept Prince fresh in our minds. Not every posthumous release will please every Prince fan, and that's okay -- not every release when he was alive pleased all of his fans. He had such an electic style and a diverse fan base that was unavoidable. So give me something, anything, even if it's not my cup of tea. Give me a reason to come to this forum excited to talk to other fans, either because I love the new album or I hate it and want to complain about it. Just make me care, damn it.

The Sony reissues aren't welcome, but not the type of thing to get fans excited and keep the momentum going.







Why are you saying it was divisive among fams?
I welcomed the album very poorly before its release, because at first listenings to the " Singles ", I was disappointed to hear such prevalent women choruses over Prince voice.
But thanks to the lyrics in the booklet, I really enjoyed it.

The sound quality is also very good, its not brickwalled such as other Prince releases in the 00's. Surely because Prince didn't finish it, didn't add plenty of multitracks, and wasn't mastered under his supervision.

As I already said many times, if it was for not releasing anything else for a long time, what a waste to not have promoted W2A more.

The eponymous track was perfectly fitted for cheap lyrics video with some pictures/ video ( I phones, jazz, etc).

Born 2 Die could have been a video directed by Spike Lee telling the story of the song.

We will all Be Free could have been an easy archival videos, with BlM movements, etc.

They could have promoted the songs with tv performances with the musicians ( Tal Wikenfeld, Morris Hayes and the drummer) with the 3 chorists.
They could have performed W2A with Prince voice in background, or Son of The Slave Master.
Should I say they could even have gone on tour with the original team, with maybe someone else doing Prince voice. Whatever.

Sony didn't promote it for awards neither.

Now I m pissed, because when you pay that much for a vinyl, part of the money is supposed to go to the artist, the recording of the album, and to the marketing.
The artist is dead, they just took an already recorded CD-R (!), the promotion budget is around zero, so what are we paying exactly for?

How come a multimillion seller album such as SOTT or 1999 can cost nowadays 40$/€ on vinyl?
They recoup their costs decades ago, they didn't spend a dollar on the recording, and the artist is dead.
Vinyl production is expensive? BS. There are many cheap vinyl in stores with a cheap official price.

Bowie's NO PLAN cost 9€, that's an EP printed on an LP with an etched side.
There are christmas albums at 5€ , and rock n roll artists ( Chuck Berry, Bob Dylan, Little Richard, Elvis, etc.) for 10€.

So if they want to sell it way cheaper, they can instead of overcharging it.

When released, Musicology on vinyl cost 25€. Now the same on stores has a price of 37€ !
It's the same fucking LP that is shipped in stores for 3 years.
They are just overcharging it without cost production or marketing reasonreason justifying it.
Logically, their price should have decreased with time, not increased.

That's not the worst : I saw recent releases off McCartney in stores, they cost 47€ for just one LP!
Young Americans from Bowie at 45€ !
Queen's albums are 33€ each, for just one LP!
Insane, as they were current releases with multimillion dollars video and tv adds, payola on radio, etc.
This should be stopped. They are killing what is lef of the physical market.

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Reply #242 posted 02/12/22 12:09pm

Raevene

I wouldn't say the sound quality on the album is great, there's digital distortion on a lot of the vocals.

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Reply #243 posted 02/12/22 5:32pm

lurker316

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RODSERLING said:

lurker316 said:


I understand the practicle problems with the supply chain preventing any imminent major releases, but the Estate needs to do something to keep fans excited and engaged. They need to keep the buzz going, not let it peter out.

Even though W2A was a bit divisive among fans, at least it gave us something to debate. It kept Prince fresh in our minds. Not every posthumous release will please every Prince fan, and that's okay -- not every release when he was alive pleased all of his fans. He had such an electic style and a diverse fan base that was unavoidable. So give me something, anything, even if it's not my cup of tea. Give me a reason to come to this forum excited to talk to other fans, either because I love the new album or I hate it and want to complain about it. Just make me care, damn it.

Why are you saying it was divisive among fams?


I called it divisive because some fans loved and some hated it. That's why divisie means: its splits opinions.

After you questioned why I characterized it as divisive, you went on to explain why you personally like the album. I'm not sure why you did that. Being divisive is not about your individual opinion or mine. It's a measure of the collective opinions of fans.

The Rainbow Children is one of my favorite albums. That doesn't mean it's not divisive.




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Reply #244 posted 02/12/22 5:55pm

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lurker316 said:



RODSERLING said:


lurker316 said:


I understand the practicle problems with the supply chain preventing any imminent major releases, but the Estate needs to do something to keep fans excited and engaged. They need to keep the buzz going, not let it peter out.

Even though W2A was a bit divisive among fans, at least it gave us something to debate. It kept Prince fresh in our minds. Not every posthumous release will please every Prince fan, and that's okay -- not every release when he was alive pleased all of his fans. He had such an electic style and a diverse fan base that was unavoidable. So give me something, anything, even if it's not my cup of tea. Give me a reason to come to this forum excited to talk to other fans, either because I love the new album or I hate it and want to complain about it. Just make me care, damn it.



Why are you saying it was divisive among fams?


I called it divisive because some fans loved and some hated it. That's why divisie means: its splits opinions.

After you questioned why I characterized it as divisive, you went on to explain why you personally like the album. I'm not sure why you did that. Being divisive is not about your individual opinion or mine. It's a measure of the collective opinions of fans.

The Rainbow Children is one of my favorite albums. That doesn't mean it's not divisive.






So anything from Prince was divisive, because you will always find sone fans hating this or that.
I have some friends fans who hated it, others who loved it, others who didn't care.
Fine.
That's the same thing for (almost) any other Prince albums so far.
Ok, I never read someone haTing SOTT. That's about all.
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Reply #245 posted 02/12/22 9:43pm

LoveGalore

RODSERLING said:

lurker316 said:



RODSERLING said:


lurker316 said:


I understand the practicle problems with the supply chain preventing any imminent major releases, but the Estate needs to do something to keep fans excited and engaged. They need to keep the buzz going, not let it peter out.

Even though W2A was a bit divisive among fans, at least it gave us something to debate. It kept Prince fresh in our minds. Not every posthumous release will please every Prince fan, and that's okay -- not every release when he was alive pleased all of his fans. He had such an electic style and a diverse fan base that was unavoidable. So give me something, anything, even if it's not my cup of tea. Give me a reason to come to this forum excited to talk to other fans, either because I love the new album or I hate it and want to complain about it. Just make me care, damn it.



Why are you saying it was divisive among fams?


I called it divisive because some fans loved and some hated it. That's why divisie means: its splits opinions.

After you questioned why I characterized it as divisive, you went on to explain why you personally like the album. I'm not sure why you did that. Being divisive is not about your individual opinion or mine. It's a measure of the collective opinions of fans.

The Rainbow Children is one of my favorite albums. That doesn't mean it's not divisive.






So anything from Prince was divisive, because you will always find sone fans hating this or that.
I have some friends fans who hated it, others who loved it, others who didn't care.
Fine.
That's the same thing for (almost) any other Prince albums so far.
Ok, I never read someone haTing SOTT. That's about all.


Divisive is just a nice way of saying the album is a clunker for most of us but we don't want to heap negative criticism on it because it was still an interesting choice. Further to that, people are upset it was sourced from a glitchy CDR. Collectively, we all want interesting choices. Even if the material is so-so like W2A. But lord knows we put up with enough of that when he was alive.
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Reply #246 posted 02/13/22 12:50am

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LoveGalore said:

RODSERLING said:



So anything from Prince was divisive, because you will always find sone fans hating this or that.
I have some friends fans who hated it, others who loved it, others who didn't care.
Fine.
That's the same thing for (almost) any other Prince albums so far.
Ok, I never read someone haTing SOTT. That's about all.


Divisive is just a nice way of saying the album is a clunker for most of us but we don't want to heap negative criticism on it because it was still an interesting choice. Further to that, people are upset it was sourced from a glitchy CDR. Collectively, we all want interesting choices. Even if the material is so-so like W2A. But lord knows we put up with enough of that when he was alive.


Be glad then, because it's likely you won't see any other clunker release like this anytime soon.
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Reply #247 posted 02/13/22 3:16am

EnglishGent2

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My only problem is that they keep releasing what we already have. How many re issues of the same album does a person really need? I will gladly pay for new material like welcome to America or even remastered albums with bonus material

I've said it before, the reissues aren't for us, they are for the people that couldn't buy Prince's albums because some weren't available for many years.

I haven't spent a single penny on any re-issue becuase I have all the albums. But I will buy any new music that's released.

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Reply #248 posted 02/14/22 7:00am

MIRvmn1

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Still no SDE announcement so I doubt we will get anything before summer.
U are now an official member of the New Power Generation
Welcome 2 The Dawn
Free the prince SDE now!
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Reply #249 posted 02/14/22 7:14am

JorisE73

MIRvmn1 said:

Still no SDE announcement so I doubt we will get anything before summer.


Last thing I heard is they were still revising and adding onto (and proabbly also removing things) Parade, Diamond and Pearls and several other projects.
When the vinyl shortage came into play D&P was already finished according to some insiders but they chose to revise it when they couldn\t press it. The proposed Parade was said to be a horrible mess 3 years ago.

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Reply #250 posted 02/14/22 7:45am

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MIRvmn1 said:

Still no SDE announcement so I doubt we will get anything before summer.


No SDE for this year I m afraid.
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Reply #251 posted 02/14/22 3:38pm

EnglishGent2

RODSERLING said:

MIRvmn1 said:
Still no SDE announcement so I doubt we will get anything before summer.
No SDE for this year I m afraid.

What will you be releasing this year?

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Reply #252 posted 02/18/22 11:05pm

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EnglishGent2 said:



RODSERLING said:


MIRvmn1 said:
Still no SDE announcement so I doubt we will get anything before summer.

No SDE for this year I m afraid.

What will you be releasing this year?



Originals 2 would be easier or the last Prince concerts.
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Reply #253 posted 02/19/22 9:17am

Landonfunkmonk
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Another unreleased album would be good.

Madrid 2 Chicago, Rave 89 or F.u.n.k from 2007 if it exists.
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Reply #254 posted 02/19/22 12:12pm

udo

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Landonfunkmonkey said:

Another unreleased album would be good. Madrid 2 Chicago, Rave 89 or F.u.n.k from 2007 if it exists. [

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Sure, but has our archivist unearthed those yet?

Is he still at work at this time of corporate impasse?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #255 posted 02/19/22 2:24pm

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I think W2A was unique as a "current" and completed album.
There won't be nothing else of that quality.
An album from the 80's or the 90's won't have the same success.
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Reply #256 posted 02/19/22 10:27pm

bozojones

Remember when we got Originals and 1999 SDE in the same year? And then SOTT SDE the following year? and then we've been stuck in a drought ever since then, aside from the Welcome 2 America release which just sorta came and went (and I admittedly haven't even listened to yet lol)


sigh...

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Reply #257 posted 02/19/22 11:23pm

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bozojones said:

Remember when we got Originals and 1999 SDE in the same year? And then SOTT SDE the following year? and then we've been stuck in a drought ever since then, aside from the Welcome 2 America release which just sorta came and went (and I admittedly haven't even listened to yet lol)


sigh...



2019/2020 : These were the wild good old days indeed with also the Sony reissues.
You should buy W2A SDE on Amazon US for just 36$ !
https://www.amazon.com/gp...UTF8&psc=1
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