Ramzoo said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Her name is SUSAN ROGERS.

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How the fuck do you lot fail to properly spell her name?

Pointless & disrespectful!!!! Who do you think you are?

that's...

Uh...

What He Does.

He's the self appointed org Police and, yeah, he sucks really fucking hard and this board would be better off without him.

There's not a post anyone can write that's immune from his criticism that he won't pounce on .

^^^Who doesn't LOVE that?^^^

Not sure what's wrong with him either, tbh, but yeah....He's a lot of fun. A real hoot.

*farts*

Whatever the fuck you do, don't post anything that might already be on the board somewhere. It's a sin against The Internet Gods and you will suffer his wrath.

We call him "Bart" and he's just fucking rude to everybody. It's real great. Adds a TON to the discourse. For some reason, I guess Mods here find him useful and cute instead of the prick he always is, and tend to excuse him since (I can only assume) he often posts new links here for an artist he hasn't liked since apparently sometime around maybe 1988. He doesn't even really seem to LIKE Prince that much but he positively LOVES pointing out people's mistakes (seems to LIVE for it) and, near as I can tell, we keep him around like Sesame Street keeps Oscar the Grouch in a trashcan.

Thankfully, as far as I know, I never bumped into him at a show - or anywhere else for that matter -because I mean god damn.

Don't worry about that dude and just ignore him since this is All He Fucking Does Here.

Lot's of other perfectly nice and polite people here though.

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Now, quick: read this post before the mods snip it and accuse ME of being rude because that's coming.

VaultCurator said:

Wendy said something in this episode that I found curious. She'd said it before in an earlier episode and I glossed over it, but she's brought it up twice now.

She'd mentioned Roadhouse Garden as an example of a project they were working on. When she mentioned it before I assumed she was just talking about the song, but she's only ever listened it in the context of album titles. Roadhouse Garden, Dream Factory, Crystal Ball. What does she mean by this?

I know Prince had an album in mind at the end of the 90s, but I assumed this would have just be a compilation of unused Revolution songs. Do you think the Roadhouse Garden album could have been a concept Prince was knocking around back in the mid 80s?

My guess, and it is a guess, is that she's just going with the flow. Her and Lisa have said before that they never really had any idea what was happening in regards planning albums, there was nothing called "Dream Factory" that they knew of, they just knew they were writing songs for the next Prince & the Revolution album. Since at least the early 90s people have been telling them the names of projects and tracklists and the like and I imagine at this point Wendy is just retroactively filling in the names of albums and projects she now knows Prince had in mind, or people have told her Prince had in mind.

[Edited 9/17/20 12:30pm]

jasopig said:

donnyenglish said:

jaawwnn said: The podcast went out of their way to credit that song to WL. Putting aside whether the podcast misrepresented that Prince had nothing to do with writing the song, that effort to continue to highlight their contribution rather than to highlight Prince’s genius is the problem with this series. There is an agenda and they are all in on it because many of you eat it up. Let’s pray Ezra does not make the same mistake in the netflix documentary. [Edited 9/17/20 5:42am] [Edited 9/17/20 5:47am]

People are still under the impression Ezra Edelman is doing the doc? Yeah, that's not happening.

Please update us who is doing the netflix doc now.

blacksweat said:

I took from the podcast, that Rebirth of the Flesh was written directly after the break up and was a dig at Wendy and Lisa for asking for more money and not respecting that he was why people bought the records and tickets for the shows.

Not sure where you got the idea that he felt disrespected by them but he certainly had a habit writing songs when people quit or were fired, Morris (Pop Life), Jam & Lewis (Old Friends 4 Sale), Paul Peterson (Dream Factory) so it makes sense, he was returning to the hyper sexy stuff (the flesh) that they had no part to play in.

This was a much better Pod cast than #3 with the professor of non-sense talking stupid unrelated and irrelvant crap. Not sure we learned anything new here though. Theses stories have been told a thousand times regarding the Revolution breakup.

Ymaginatif said:

The Revolution certainly gets a lot of attention in these podcasts ...

Actually, the podcasts are about them, and you get the feeling that the Sign O The Times live band was merely a disturbance - an accident that happened to them.

I miss the days when their tendency to self-aggrandaziment was nipped in the bud by the threat of lawsuits ...

The SOTT times band had nothing to do with the album. The Revolution did. The SOTT bands played the songs live, they didn't help write them and they didn't help record them. If you think the members of the Revolution are lying about their contributions then you're a fooligan.

Their so-called self-aggrandizment wasn't nipped in the bud for fear of a lawsuit, they signed NDAs so they wouldn't shatter the "Prince is all-good, all-knowing, and did it all by himself" myth that people like you have fallen for over the years. Prince is amazing. So were his collaborators. Get over it.

I'm not going to listen to the snippets, I'm not going to listen to the snippets, I'm not going to listen to the snippets, I'm not going to listen to the snippets...

Phishanga said:

I'm not going to listen to the snippets, I'm not going to listen to the snippets, I'm not going to listen to the snippets, I'm not going to listen to the snippets...

dew it

lustmealways said:

Phishanga said:

I'm not going to listen to the snippets, I'm not going to listen to the snippets, I'm not going to listen to the snippets, I'm not going to listen to the snippets...

dew it

W&L are probably going to be in the remaining episodes too since they are featured in many of the songs on the Vault disks the Estate are promoting so I guess the complaints about them will happen in every podcast thread unfortunately lol. I just don't think they have said anything out of bounds in these episodes thus far

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ForceofNature said:

W&L are probably going to be in the remaining episodes too since they are featured in many of the songs on the Vault disks the Estate are promoting so I guess the complaints about them will happen in every podcast thread unfortunately lol. I just don't think they have said anything out of bounds in these episodes thus far

[Edited 9/17/20 14:08pm]

wendy and lisa ghostwrote the entirety of The Gold Experience

herb4 said:

Ramzoo said:

Pointless & disrespectful!!!! Who do you think you are?

that's...

Uh...

What He Does.

He's the self appointed org Police and, yeah, he sucks really fucking hard and this board would be better off without him.

There's not a post anyone can write that's immune from his criticism that he won't pounce on .

^^^Who doesn't LOVE that?^^^

Not sure what's wrong with him either, tbh, but yeah....He's a lot of fun. A real hoot.

*farts*

Whatever the fuck you do, don't post anything that might already be on the board somewhere. It's a sin against The Internet Gods and you will suffer his wrath.

We call him "Bart" and he's just fucking rude to everybody. It's real great. Adds a TON to the discourse. For some reason, I guess Mods here find him useful and cute instead of the prick he always is, and tend to excuse him since (I can only assume) he often posts new links here for an artist he hasn't liked since apparently sometime around maybe 1988. He doesn't even really seem to LIKE Prince that much but he positively LOVES pointing out people's mistakes (seems to LIVE for it) and, near as I can tell, we keep him around like Sesame Street keeps Oscar the Grouch in a trashcan.

Thankfully, as far as I know, I never bumped into him at a show - or anywhere else for that matter -because I mean god damn.

Don't worry about that dude and just ignore him since this is All He Fucking Does Here.

Lot's of other perfectly nice and polite people here though.

...


Now, quick: read this post before the mods snip it and accuse ME of being rude because that's coming.

Funny he calls people out for their spelling when he has made spelling mistakes in some of his posts in the past. And your post is not rude herb4. It's the bart guy that's always rude and he has a free pass here, we all know it and so do the bart fams.

lustmealways said:

ForceofNature said:

W&L are probably going to be in the remaining episodes too since they are featured in many of the songs on the Vault disks the Estate are promoting so I guess the complaints about them will happen in every podcast thread unfortunately lol. I just don't think they have said anything out of bounds in these episodes thus far

[Edited 9/17/20 14:08pm]

wendy and lisa ghostwrote the entirety of The Gold Experience

This whole thing is agenda driven.

Now EVERY damn song Prince wrote was a collaboration between Lisa and Wendy.

It's really sickening.

Can't wait for the same people to complain about the same things for the Episode 5 thread lol. Keep the W&L content coming

[Edited 9/17/20 15:40pm]

muleFunk said:

This whole thing is agenda driven.

Now EVERY damn song Prince wrote was a collaboration between Lisa and Wendy.

It's really sickening.

Say what now?

I continue to enjoy this series. It would be great to hear from Miko and Sheila E, perhaps they were approached and were unavailable? Only history will tell.

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I appreciate I may be in a minority, but I really enjoy hearing The Revolution speak, Eric too. The story is an old one, now, but it's still part and parcel of 86/87 Prince.

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Can't wait for next week's episode.

herb4 said:

muleFunk said:

This whole thing is agenda driven.

Now EVERY damn song Prince wrote was a collaboration between Lisa and Wendy.

It's really sickening.

Say what now?

I honestly cannot tell if that post you replied to was sarcastic or serious and I am too afraid to ask for fear that it is completely serious lol

[Edited 9/17/20 15:50pm]

muleFunk said:

This whole thing is agenda driven.

Now EVERY damn song Prince wrote was a collaboration between Lisa and Wendy.

It's really sickening.

RJOrion said:

RighteousOne said:

RJOrion said:

"2 Nigs United 4 West Compton" was composed and named by Wendy & Lisa

Jokes work best when they relate to the subject. Calling to mind a different track from a different album makes no sense. I’m willing to bet this song does make itself available to a joke somewhere, just not in this context. I would have thought this was obvious. Just some advice.

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with you. I found RJOrion's post indescribably funny and was actually about to make a post complimenting him on it because no one else seemed to find it funny.

Wendy and Lisa composed Diamonds and Pearls and Jughead.

ForceofNature said:

lustmealways said:

RighteousOne said:

RJOrion said: Jokes work best when they relate to the subject. Calling to mind a different track from a different album makes no sense. I’m willing to bet this song does make itself available to a joke somewhere, just not in this context. I would have thought this was obvious. Just some advice.

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with you. I found RJOrion's post indescribably funny and was actually about to make a post complimenting him on it because no one else seemed to find it funny.

See bold above.

RighteousOne said:

Number23 said:

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Agreed. A great series about the making of what is arguably Prince's best album is delivered up to his fans. Yet what are some of the major responses? Where's friggin' Miko. This town is dead.

I do not get the anger. We know he did songs other people wrote (or at least co-wrote) and did not always give proper credit. Even by 87 there were songs that he may have taken a little more than he should have and did not give credit. So what?

We're on thread #4 and all of them have managed to surpass 5 or 10 pages of complaining, as far as I'm aware.

I'm not even questioning or upset with the Wendy and Lisa detractors, but the tenacity and commitment to this very important issue is just something else.