PurpleSullivan said:

donnyenglish said:

Y’all called Sheila E a tranny and liar when she said she made Prince a lemon cake, but it is somehow misogyny when people dispute WL revising history and disrespecting his work just because they are jealous that his best album and best tour did not involve them? Funny. [Edited 9/19/20 5:39am]

Or... OR... maybe they’re both misogynistic responses

They absolutely are.

Vannormal said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Her name is SUSAN ROGERS.

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How the fuck do you lot fail to properly spell her name?

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Bart, next tiem, ask the for a multiple choice question, and leave out the right one :

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Susan Rodgers

Suzan Rogers

Buck Rogers

Rogers Nelsan.

Zuzan Rogers

Susan Rogerz

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[Edited 9/18/20 9:19am]

or just, you know, gloss over a typo and let it slide.

But, nah. Posting about Prince is Serious Business. THis is the internet after all. We have standards here.

I'm learning that some of the tracks I have always absolutely hated and found like fingernails on a chalkboard like In a Large Room were W&L songs. I now wonder if Moonbeam Levels is a W&L song as it's fingernails on the chalkboard atrocious on the same level.

[Edited 9/19/20 14:45pm]

herb4 said:

Vannormal said:

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Bart, next tiem, ask the for a multiple choice question, and leave out the right one :

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Susan Rodgers

Suzan Rogers

Buck Rogers

Rogers Nelsan.

Zuzan Rogers

Susan Rogerz

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[Edited 9/18/20 9:19am]

or just, you know, gloss over a typo and let it slide.

But, nah. Posting about Prince is Serious Business. THis is the internet after all. We have standards here.

at all this.
Standards! Here, here!

How about if Prince gave her one of his nicknames?

S.R., Studio Starr?

Susan "The Record" Rogers?

But he'd have a better idea.

donnyenglish said:

Y’all called Sheila E a tranny and liar when she said she made Prince a lemon cake, but it is somehow misogyny when people dispute WL revising history and disrespecting his work just because they are jealous that his best album and best tour did not involve them? Funny. [Edited 9/19/20 5:39am]

I'm confused. Are you thinking of the "he/she" recounting?

I thought that didn't have anything to do with fans.

Also, FWIW, not a fan of "tranny" or "he/she," as both terms come off as mindless and disparaging, IMO.

donnyenglish said:

jasopig said:

People are still under the impression Ezra Edelman is doing the doc? Yeah, that's not happening.

Please update us who is doing the netflix doc now.

Yes, jasopig, can you give us an update?

Vannormal said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Her name is SUSAN ROGERS.

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How the fuck do you lot fail to properly spell her name?

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Bart, next tiem, ask the for a multiple choice question, and leave out the right one :

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Susan Rodgers

Suzan Rogers

Buck Rogers

Rogers Nelsan.

Zuzan Rogers

Susan Rogerz

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[Edited 9/18/20 9:19am]

I got a better list for the multiple choice.

Susan Rogers

Steve Rogers

Nile Rodgers

Prince Rogers

Buck Rogers

Kenny Rogers (who P Rogers wrote a song for)

Roger Moore
"The Fed" Roger

v10letblues said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I got a better list for the multiple choice.

Susan Rogers

Steve Rogers

Nile Rodgers

Prince Rogers

Buck Rogers

Kenny Rogers (who P Rogers wrote a song for)

Roger Moore
"The Fed" Roger

Roger that!

ThirdStrike said:

v10letblues said:

I'm learning that some of the tracks I have always absolutely hated and found like fingernails on a chalkboard like In a Large Room were W&L songs. I now wonder if Moonbeam Levels is a W&L song as it's fingernails on the chalkboard atrocious on the same level.

[Edited 9/19/20 14:45pm]

What?!?! Please turn in your PRINCE fan card IMMEDIATELY!!!

Yeah no, Those tracks have always been pretty divisive. .....because there are truly truly awful.

emesem said:

Good stuff but I do understand the critisms. The narrator is doing a great job but they should have cut this chronologically. First episode starts in June 86 and we’re on episode 4 and we’re back to End of 85 and Jan 86? Also not sure if we needed 4 episodes of the period late 85 to October 86. This series could have used a bit of editing.

Yeah, it maybe could have taken one less episode to get to where we are now - but I guess it's following the balance of the SD release - ie half the studio track discs are vault releases from 85/86 - rather than concentrating solely on the finished SOTT. But yes, feels like anything on the SOTT tour is going to be a little rushed - (I could happily listen to an 8 ep podcast just on the tour).

RighteousOne said:

RJOrion said:

blahblahblah...youre reaching again.. only a gullible fool would believe 100% of the 30-40 year old stories coming from fired employees and ex girlfriends, about their dead boss who fired them, or their dead boyfriend who broke up with them 3 decades ago... especially when its Prince...they all are predisposed to delusions of grandeur...Prince rebutted Susan Rogers' fairy tales when he was still alive

would you say that, in not trusting associates at all, you're putting way too much faith into what prince himself had to say? i mean i don't trust any of them 100 percent really, but that doesn't mean i trusted prince to speak accurately to anything 100 percent either, in fact i'd say he would be more inclined to exaggerate or selectively remember than some associates.

donnyenglish said:

How long did Susannah live with Prince at Galpin. He was there for maybe 3 months before the Parade tour started in early March. He fired the Revolution in September 1986. Did she leave then too?

I assume she left Dec 86

OnlyNDaUsa said:

donnyenglish said:

How long did Susannah live with Prince at Galpin. He was there for maybe 3 months before the Parade tour started in early March. He fired the Revolution in September 1986. Did she leave then too?

I assume she left Dec 86

The podcast made it sound like they built a life there. She lived there with him for 4-6 months max.

RJOrion said:

donnyenglish said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I assume she left Dec 86

The podcast made it sound like they built a life there. She lived there with him for 4-6 months max.

Right.

The only reason why we still hear about this is because of the industry connections of their father.

Susannah's story is no more significant than Jill Jones' or Shelia's.

That's what is turning folk off about this whole thing.

They are gushing about Lisa and Wendy and Susannah but other things/factors went into the album.

Four episodes about them is overkill here.

RighteousOne said:

donnyenglish said:

muleFunk said:

RighteousOne said:

LoveGalore said:

RighteousOne said:

Dude, you reveal too much about yourself, yet again. Why take aim at women, and not people like Eric Leeds, who was there too, and corroborate? You gotta stop this now. You’re a guy typing on your computer a million miles in time and space from any of these events. Recognize that you have no clue what really happened. Dial into some humility. [Edited 9/20/20 8:06am]

Did you not understand the distinction between "exgirlfriends" and "ex-employees"? Do you not comprehend that Eric Leeds falls under the category of "ex-employees"? Do you see Candy Dulfer, Cassandra Oneal, 3rd Eye Girl, Kat Dyson, Rhonda Smith, Robin Power, the Twins, Bria Valente, Tamar Davis, Liv Warfield, Elisa Dease, Shelby, Cat, Jill, Diamond, Pearl, Carmen Electra, Mayte, Nona Gaye, Kim Basinger, Ingrid Chavez, Brenda, Susan Moonsie, Gayle Chapman, or any other women out here clutching at straws like Wendy, Lisa, and Susan Rogers? Really? Where? This isn't about women despite you wanting to deflate the argument purely on that basis. We can talk all damn day about people grabbing for writing credits at the expense of others when it comes to those 3. All day. Look how people completely forgot about Jill during the PR deluxe release and she flipped her shit to get proper acknowledgement when standing next to W&L. This ain't about their gender. It's about them. Susan Rogers believes herself to be an expert on Prince and his motivations despite only spending, what, 4 years around him? Same with the other two? This man had a career that spanned 10 times that. [Edited 9/20/20 8:19am]

FWIW, Susannah is both ex-girlfriend and ex-employee. Not saying I don't take any of your points in this discussion, but the logic that leads above comment doesn't work.

Yes, Jill should have been furious. The appropriate reaction to her situation is LOUD, IMO.

And if Susan Rogers believes herself to be an expert on Prince, she's got a lot of company here on the Org.

[Edited 9/20/20 8:31am]

PurpleSullivan said:

RighteousOne said:

muleFunk said:

Right.

The only reason why we still hear about this is because of the industry connections of their father.

Susannah's story is no more significant than Jill Jones' or Shelia's.

That's what is turning folk off about this whole thing.

They are gushing about Lisa and Wendy and Susannah but other things/factors went into the album.

Four episodes about them is overkill here.

There’s something weird, perhaps even sinister, going on here when it comes to the pushback against W&L. I think it goes deeper than generic complaints about being overexposed to them. My hunch is that it’s spurred on by some pre-modern attitudes...let’s just leave it at that.

No pre-modern anything but it's a good dose of post modern revisionist history going on after Prince died. All coming from the same people.

It was suspect when PR Deluxe was released especially when rumors were flying about WB paying certain Revolution members to promote the album. Now SOTT Deluxe has turned into the same tripe.

As for W&L I love THEIR music. I have every album they released.

BUT, Prince is one of the all time great musicians they didn't make him and his music kept flowing after they were gone. They now reside as the queens of TV jingles.

rednblue said:

LoveGalore said:

rednblue said:

FWIW, Susannah is both ex-girlfriend and ex-employee. Not saying I don't take any of your points in this discussion, but the logic that leads above comment doesn't work.

And yes, Jill should have been furious. The appropriate reaction to her situation is LOUD, IMO.

I see Susannah's statements in this area to be minimal. We've known for decades that she was the basis around Starfish and Coffee. Certainly that her relationship with Prince dramatically impacted his music in both style and substance. But she ain't out here rewriting history to suit her narrative. The three I listed are. Prince caught onto it when he was alive and they've only gotten more opportunities to tell their tales since his death. We can add Morris Day and Sheila E to the list of bad actors too. Morris claimed Prince used Champagne demos to get his deal and Sheila STILL says she fucking wrote Glamorous Life. Some of these folks are outrageous and relentless.

Bottom line is I think we fans almost never know the truth about any of these sorts of claims, whether they are/were made by Prince or anyone else in the purple world.

We could ask that nobody describe any collaborations or contributions to another person's work after he or she passes away. That isn't my wish, but I understand it may be what some people prefer.

Beyond that, some statements were made before P passed on, and that fact doesn't serve to make them sit well with many people.

Surely most people with objections are making their own educated (based on judgments about what constitues a "straw," feelings about personality characteristics, etc.) guesses...but in most cases others could make an educated guess that runs the opposite way and disagrees with the objections.

In the end, most all of the fan objections are just that. Guesses.

[Edited 9/20/20 8:49am]