masaba said:

RighteousOne said:

No. Not this. The album was made in the shadow of both a personal and professional break up for Prince. The fact that people (mostly men) want to undermine the influence of the women involved here tells me a lot about them.

I disagree. It's more the fact that there's barely anything in here about the actual music. Just the revolution drama that we've all heard over and over. It's not THAT interesting. At the end of the day Prince hired them, got tired of them (wanted a new direction), and fired them. It's not news that he was an asshole. It's prince. The way the stories are set up feels almost like we're supposed to feel sorry for them. When we have no reason to. Don't mind hearing from Wendy and Lisa, but less drama more funk please. Cuz if we're going in chronological order it's almost 1987, crystal ball been recorded and there's been very little said about what his vision was, what kind of sound he was trying to craft, and more detail on maybe why they didn't fit that new sound and image based on what PRINCE, not wendy and lisa, were doing in the studio. That's what i'm interested in, his mindset behind this next direction. Because i'm sure it had more to do with just being cheesed that they asked him for a raise.

Well, look, you can't please all of the people of all of the time, can you? Have you heard this latest podcast? It specifically relates to his vision for the period, and what kind of sound he was trying to craft. As for wanting to know what HIS mindset was, I'm afraid that's not going to hapen now...for obvious reasons.

Have we ever seen this "Prince" person in the same room as Wendy and/or Lisa? The answer is no, which would support my theory that the "Prince" musical project was actually Wendy and Lisa operating an animatronic musician to serve as a figurehead for their decade-defining and critically acclaimed songwriting.

Checkmate.

BartVanHemelen said:

VaultCurator said:

OK. That was the best episode so far. It blew last weeks episode out of the water. A fantastic selection of music. I hope they don't skim over the Camille sessions next week. I'd love to hear more from Susan Roger's about the recording of those songs.

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Her name is SUSAN ROGERS.

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How the fuck do you lot fail to properly spell her name?

Would you like to be reminded of some of YOUR spelling mistakes?

lustmealways said:

Have we ever seen this "Prince" person in the same room as Wendy and/or Lisa? The answer is no, which would support my theory that the "Prince" musical project was actually Wendy and Lisa operating an animatronic musician to serve as a figurehead for their decade-defining and critically acclaimed songwriting.

Checkmate.

Well, the golden age was pretty much over after this album. Only Prince fans disagree with me. Think about that.

RighteousOne said:

lustmealways said:

Have we ever seen this "Prince" person in the same room as Wendy and/or Lisa? The answer is no, which would support my theory that the "Prince" musical project was actually Wendy and Lisa operating an animatronic musician to serve as a figurehead for their decade-defining and critically acclaimed songwriting.

Checkmate.

Well, the golden age was pretty much over after this album. Only Prince fans disagree with me. Think about that.

Yet one of his most beloved albums Lovesexy and several number 1 albums Batman and Diamonds and Pearls happened after this point.Prince was also a national superstar before Wendy appeared with 1999, Controversy, and Dirty Mind

I acknowlwdge Lisa and Wendy's artistic contributions to Prince and his music but to understate Prince on his greatest album is the epitome of disrespect.

They seem to all have their deep reasons why they think he fired the band, but what if he just wanted a band of better players who could keep up with where he wanted to go musically? It sounds like he kept, or tried to keep, the players who he thought could keep up.

In terms of just playing, Bobby was never going to whoop Sheila, Wendy was never going to whoop Miko, and Lisa was never going to fit that soul sister on the keys aesthetic that he clearly wanted and kept for years after. And even if his mind wasn't there yet, there's no way he was going to keep Lisa and not Wendy.

It seems he saw in his mind what he wanted - a funkier, more versatile band of players, who could take him where he wanted to go musically. The Revolution could never have pulled off the Sign 'O' The Times, or Lovesexy tours.

The mark Wendy and Lisa left on his music is indelible. The records speak for themselves. I feel like they cheapen their contributions by overstating their importance. What if the reason he was pissed about the raise was because he thought they were attempting to overstate their importance to his music? It would be easy to believe, because it seems like that's exactly what they're doing now.

lustmealways said:

i'm not gonna lie i felt a sickness in my stomach for a few minutes after hearing "in a large room with no light, written by wendy and lisa"

this was a very upsetting start to my day

muleFunk said:

RighteousOne said:

Well, the golden age was pretty much over after this album. Only Prince fans disagree with me. Think about that.

Yet one of his most beloved albums Lovesexy and several number 1 albums Batman and Diamonds and Pearls happened after this point.Prince was also a national superstar before Wendy appeared with 1999, Controversy, and Dirty Mind

I acknowlwdge Lisa and Wendy's artistic contributions to Prince and his music but to understate Prince on his greatest album is the epitome of disrespect.

It's useless to cherry-pick albums. Anyone can play that game and it gets you nowhere. Bottom line: If you've been a fan for some years then you should know exactly what I mean when I refer to the "golden age". If you're relatively new to Prince fandom, and don't know what I mean by the "golden-age", then I guess you have some excuse.

I have to admit I was only put off by this episode from the negativity I read on the org prior to listening. Once I heard it I couldn't really find the issue. *yes it was a bit of shock to learn they wrote In A Large Room but they're fantastic song writers so I'm not enitrely surprised.

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With that being said, it's clear the next episodes will cover from the firing of the Revolution onward and it's great that they're taking their time with it. We finally heard on audio from the core members of the band what happened/how they felt and there's not so much hearsay as to how it went down.

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IMO I feel like Prince was kinda being an asshole about the whole thing. I don't understand what he was so angry about. I dig his music post Revolution break-up so I can't say he made the wrong decision, just maybe went about it in strange way.

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Either way the music speaks for itself and there is plenty of amazing music he made without them. W&L also have their own music that I also find to be pretty great too.

lustmealways said:

Eric Leeds himself said Large Room was a Wendy and Lisa bit: https://www.thelastmiles....ric-leeds/



There’s a song which I don’t know has ever been released. It was a song of Wendy and Lisa’s and it’s known by various titles [including] “Welcome To The Rat Race,” but was actually called “Life Is Like Looking For A Penny In A Large Room With No Light,” It was Sheila, Wendy, Lisa, Prince, myself and a couple of horns and that was one my favourite songs. I liked “Girls & Boys.” [Parade]. “Strange Relationship” [Sign ‘O’ The Times] I absolutely love.




Everyone here is going crazy over nothing. Chillax, there is nothing Wendy or Lisa are saying or claiming here that is over the line or out of bounds. Let the people who were actually there, tell us the fans who weren't, what is up

ForceofNature said:

LoveGalore said:

They wrote Large Room? Fascinating, because prince didn't seem to think so when he released the song. Why would he not add that credit but he'd add the credits for Power Fantastic and Mountains and Slow Love? There is never not some wacky shit coming out of their mouths.

There was never not wacky shit going on regarding Prince and album credits, both with band members in his bands or him on other people's material, or his writing for other people. But Eric, Wendy, and Lisa all are in agreement. Who are we, the fans who weren't there, to say "uh actually guys you didn't write that"?


With all due respect to us fans here, not singling neccesarily anyone out - but just ultimately there is nothing out of bounds with their quotes in these podcasts so far

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ForceofNature said:

There was never not wacky shit going on regarding Prince and album credits, both with band members in his bands or him on other people's material, or his writing for other people. But Eric, Wendy, and Lisa all are in agreement. Who are we, the fans who weren't there, to say "uh actually guys you didn't write that"?


With all due respect to us fans here, not singling neccesarily anyone out - but just ultimately there is nothing out of bounds with their quotes in these podcasts so far

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I don't know... I just feel like "wendy and lisa wrote in a large room" coming from them (or even eric) could mean they had a very basic sketch which prince then turned into something that i've gone on record saying is one of the greatest musical compositions ever committed to tape. if prince didn't get his hands on power fantastic i think it would be a snooze fest, and i'd say the same is true about in a large room, if the writing process went down how i think it did. i mean just by the sound of it i knew wendy and lisa had some sort of involvement in overall sound or arranging or a few parts, but that's a far cry from "they wrote it"

i guess i just can't handle the truth

i do not want to believe

ForceofNature said:

LoveGalore said:

They wrote Large Room? Fascinating, because prince didn't seem to think so when he released the song. Why would he not add that credit but he'd add the credits for Power Fantastic and Mountains and Slow Love? There is never not some wacky shit coming out of their mouths.

There was never not wacky shit going on regarding Prince and album credits, both with band members in his bands or him on other people's material, or his writing for other people. But Eric, Wendy, and Lisa all are in agreement. Who are we, the fans who weren't there, to say "uh actually guys you didn't write that"?


With all due respect to us fans here, not singling neccesarily anyone out - but just ultimately there is nothing out of bounds with their quotes in these podcasts so far

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They said it 4 years after Prince's death.

ForceofNature said:

LoveGalore said:

lustmealways said:

this was a very upsetting start to my day

Well I mean, who's around to defend the possibility that they didn't write it? Aside from the adoring fans, of course. Nobody. What you're left with is someone who says Prince fired them because they didn't want to wear nipple-less bras and crotchless panties in 1987. It's almost like they forget that life actually continued on past the disbanding. If that's what prince had wanted, why didn't we see Sheila or Cat wearing that stuff? Fascinating. They wrote Large Room? Fascinating, because prince didn't seem to think so when he released the song. Why would he not add that credit but he'd add the credits for Power Fantastic and Mountains and Slow Love? There is never not some wacky shit coming out of their mouths.

Yeah, like Cat and Sheila came out overdressed? Lol. Also, Prince adding/ subracting song credits? No way! That never happened (even, as it happens, to the detiment of himself). Jesus, this is getting farcical now.

W & L are relating what happened to them from their perpsective. How could they not? What are you asking for here? A sworn affadvit?

It says something about your insecure little Prince worldview that it can be so easily undermined when someone else gets to tell it. Dayum. Given that he's now gone, you're gonna have to get used to it as well.

RighteousOne said:

RighteousOne said:

muleFunk said:

Yet one of his most beloved albums Lovesexy and several number 1 albums Batman and Diamonds and Pearls happened after this point.Prince was also a national superstar before Wendy appeared with 1999, Controversy, and Dirty Mind

I acknowlwdge Lisa and Wendy's artistic contributions to Prince and his music but to understate Prince on his greatest album is the epitome of disrespect.

It's useless to cherry-pick albums. Anyone can play that game and it gets you nowhere. Bottom line: If you've been a fan for some years then you should know exactly what I mean when I refer to the "golden age". If you're relatively new to Prince fandom, and don't know what I mean by the "golden-age", then I guess you have some excuse.

Golden age for one may be Prince- Purple Rain.

Golden age for another may be Purple Rain- Lovesexy.

Back to my original statement if you suggest that Lisa and Wendy made Prince it's complete and utter disrespect.

LoveGalore said:

ForceofNature said:

There was never not wacky shit going on regarding Prince and album credits, both with band members in his bands or him on other people's material, or his writing for other people. But Eric, Wendy, and Lisa all are in agreement. Who are we, the fans who weren't there, to say "uh actually guys you didn't write that"?


With all due respect to us fans here, not singling neccesarily anyone out - but just ultimately there is nothing out of bounds with their quotes in these podcasts so far

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Hey man, I'm down to understand whatever history is around to be understood. So what we're saying here is that Prince failed to give them credit in 2009 when he released the song, yes?

Perhaps - unless you are suggesting that Eric, Wendy, and Lisa are lying about the song's origins and all three are in on this conspiracy? lol

It is like Groundhog Day in every podcast thread lol

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ForceofNature said:

It is like Groundhog Day in every podcast thread lol

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Groundhog Day featuring Bill Murray is a classic and gets better with repeated viewings, unlike these threads.

ForceofNature said:

muleFunk said:

ForceofNature said:

Did someone post a link for thecurrent.org ?

If not...here it is (I do like it better to listen .. AND to read the words):

https://www.thecurrent.or...and-pretty" target="_blank">https://www.thecurrent.or...and-pretty

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LoveGalore said:

What do I want, a sworn affidavit? LOL. [Edited 9/17/20 20:03pm]

I would just like reason and normal behavior to previal on a Prince site for once lmao. Maybe I should give up on that dream when it comes to threads regarding these podcasts

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Pellwormer said:

Did someone post a link for thecurrent.org ?

If not...here it is (I do like it better to listen .. AND to read the words):

https://www.thecurrent.or...and-pretty" target="_blank">https://www.thecurrent.or...and-pretty

Hrrrr....I always have difficulties in posting links...and I still don't know why....stupid me...

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lustmealways said:

ForceofNature said:

It is like Groundhog Day in every podcast thread lol

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Groundhog Day featuring Bill Murray is a classic and gets better with repeated viewings, unlike these threads.

True lol, my main takeaway is that a certain few Prince fans are unable to see beyond their need to know more than the people who were actually there for the making of these songs and instead rely on one's own assumptions of what these people, including Prince, "would have" done.