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- Best is to ignore lack of understanding. And read only what's constructive and relevant. Don't let it fuck up your day or mind. - You know I was thinking the other day. All that 'bashing' going on... stronger than ever before. It has become a daily practice now. Certainly in politics, in all the (fucked up & even serious) media, forums, blogs vlogs, fakebook... etc. Some thirty years ago it basically only existed in a immediate environment, like in a daily circle of the like-minded people, or life environment. Now, since the internet, and certainly since social media, everyone can fart or puke on whatever they want, AND find the same group of dislikers to feel stronger. Everyone finds a group in which they feel strengthened for their unconstructive thinking. It is then reinforced by irrelevance expressed in opinions about freedom of expression, and unknowingly projecting frustrations and personal displeasure.
That's the problem of the internet to be honest. At least to me. And it's such an easy trap. It's a fun trap too unfortunately. People like Kanye or Paris Hilton, or Trump or the Kardashians and so many others of the same kaliber would barely exist without it. How else could they find like-minded people who barely want to read a newspaper or check a news item ? The thing is, the invisible trap that creates the need to bash others, is a certainty that is hard to get rid of. And the fact that it sometimes is 'funny', doesn't help a bit. The unbearable and derailed lightness of gloating. -
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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Vannormal said:
- Best is to ignore lack of understanding. And read only what's constructive and relevant. Don't let it fuck up your day or mind. - You know I was thinking the other day. All that 'bashing' going on... stronger than ever before. It has become a daily practice now. Certainly in politics, in all the (fucked up & even serious) media, forums, blogs vlogs, fakebook... etc. Some thirty years ago it basically only existed in a immediate environment, like in a daily circle of the like-minded people, or life environment. Now, since the internet, and certainly since social media, everyone can fart or puke on whatever they want, AND find the same group of dislikers to feel stronger. Everyone finds a group in which they feel strengthened for their unconstructive thinking. It is then reinforced by irrelevance expressed in opinions about freedom of expression, and unknowingly projecting frustrations and personal displeasure.
That's the problem of the internet to be honest. At least to me. And it's such an easy trap. It's a fun trap too unfortunately. People like Kanye or Paris Hilton, or Trump or the Kardashians and so many others of the same kaliber would barely exist without it. How else could they find like-minded people who barely want to read a newspaper or check a news item ? The thing is, the invisible trap that creates the need to bash others, is a certainty that is hard to get rid of. And the fact that it sometimes is 'funny', doesn't help a bit. The unbearable and derailed lightness of gloating. -
Folks who have a hard time with other people's opinions and write long diatribes about them comparing them to Trump and the Kardashians couldn't be the problem. | |
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- Touché indeed. - "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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playtime92 said: LoveGalore said: Nah you're right. Prince failed to credit them as writers of this song 11 years ago and where prince wanted to take SOTT was "grotesque" and nipple-less bras and crotchless panties. Just glad we have the record straight here finally. Cuz I mean this whole time, it was the understanding of everyone else that Prince wrote that song, that he designed the clothes that were made for the SOTT tour (before Cat was even hired, according to Cat), and that Prince's firing of them specifically was related in some way to their attempt to bail on the Parade tour. Of course, this now debunked theory fits nicely with the new revelation that Rebirth of the Flesh was a diss track directed at them which specifically calls out their money-minded ways, but hey. What do I want, a sworn affidavit? LOL. [Edited 9/17/20 20:03pm] I mean, I've never seen Wendy and Lisa credited for IALRWNL but it has their fingerprints all over it, just like Power Fantastic and Mountains. Not hard to believe they wrote the music, which is more harmonically sophisticated than the music Prince wrote on his own. Dont get why people think it's disrespectful to acknowledge the contributions of people who gave years of their lives to Prince, for a fraction of the money and acclaim that he got. He was the star, and a genius, but these were talented musicians and songwriters who brought something to his music that no other collaborators did and its totally legitimate for them to discuss their experience and feelings at the demise of that band. | |
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co-LOL |
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RJOrion said:
co-LOL lols in monocle-and-tophat | |
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jaawwnn said:
Not sure where you got the idea that he felt disrespected by them but he certainly had a habit writing songs when people quit or were fired, Morris (Pop Life), Jam & Lewis (Old Friends 4 Sale), Paul Peterson (Dream Factory) so it makes sense, he was returning to the hyper sexy stuff (the flesh) that they had no part to play in. It was interesting that W&L mention about asking for a raise and then they were essentially fired. The next track played was Rebirth of the Flesh and the lyrics marry to him resetting and stating it’s not about the money, we just wanna play. I'm hot and I don't care who knows it...I got a job to do.  | |
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I ned to go back and listen again, but did Andrea say that Wendy played BASS on And That Say's What? Wonder if that was a slip-up or if it really happened. |
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PurpleSullivan said: ON ANOTHER NOTE, hearing this clip of Large Room now, I have NO IDEA how I'm gonna get past it when I get to it next week. All I'm gonna want to do is put it on repeat. Yes, it was fantastic. And I’m gonna be rockin it. But I’m pretty the songs that I’ll have on repeat are the ones I’ve never heard before. "Love & honesty, peace & harmony" | |
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dplatt said: I ned to go back and listen again, but did Andrea say that Wendy played BASS on And That Say's What? Wonder if that was a slip-up or if it really happened. probably just another lie |
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RJOrion said: dplatt said: I ned to go back and listen again, but did Andrea say that Wendy played BASS on And That Say's What? Wonder if that was a slip-up or if it really happened. probably just another lie What lies have specifically been told by her? I haven't heard any that we the fans can confirm are lies lol | |
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I can't believe the people still bitching about people talking about THEIR memories and recollections of having worked with Prince and indeed have people backing them up, about working for a man who was notorious for swapping credits, lying about credits and famously secretive about his own image. >> | |
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it's 8 episodes we are half way in... it was over 2 years... and most of that time was before the new band's first show... We are not even to the album's release... I think the last 2 or 3 will have miko and shiela e and cat and as many of the others that wanted to be involved. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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ForceofNature said: RJOrion said: probably just another lie What lies have specifically been told by her? I haven't heard any that we the fans can confirm are lies lol I wouldn’t worry about it. There’s about four or five people on here that don’t respond to things like facts or independently corroborated evidence and the like. They’re dogged and persistent too. If Prince didn’t spray on these songs totally and unequivocally then they don’t want to hear it. At this point, it’s a farce every time they post. We should remember, though, that there’s something a little sinister going on here too. That is, a barely disguised misogyny towards a mostly female production (Wendy, Lisa, Susan, Susanna; along with Andrea, the host) and maybe even something else too...perhaps better left unsaid. Anyway, expect it to continue in V5. | |
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- EXACTLY ! - So looking forward to Episode 5. Can't they release those remaining three before the next Friday the 25th ? - "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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Still my favourite podcast-series right now! Love the interviews. Love the song snippets. Exactly the kind of warm-up that I need for this great Deluxe release! NPG Radio:
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ForceofNature said: RJOrion said: probably just another lie What lies have specifically been told by her? I haven't heard any that we the fans can confirm are lies lol I think you made it clear that you believe everything these people say... That's all fine and dandy, but Other people isn't so easily persuaded or gullible, and they have their own point of view. Prince is dead and isn't hear to call anybody out anymore. People can say whatever they want, if you didn't remember. [Edited 9/19/20 3:44am] | |
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donnyenglish said: simon1969 said:
I think the podcasts are moving chronologically through the recording of the album. I expect the Revolution will be less in evidence in the next few as it moves onto him re recording some tracks on his own with no revolution involvement This episode was about the breakup of the Revolution, which is what the other 3 were about. Very little about the recording of the album in 1986 in this episode. This was just a mechanism for more Revolution propaganda and had very little to do with the SOTT album. It was intentional and disappointing. | |
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donnyenglish said: jaawwnn said: Where IS Miko? Hmm Lol saying W&L wrote In a Large Room, are they just trolling the org now? The podcast went out of their way to credit that song to WL. Putting aside whether the podcast misrepresented that Prince had nothing to do with writing the song, that effort to continue to highlight their contribution rather than to highlight Prince’s genius is the problem with this series. There is an agenda and they are all in on it because many of you eat it up. Let’s pray Ezra does not make the same mistake in the netflix documentary. [Edited 9/17/20 5:42am] [Edited 9/17/20 5:47am] I’m not sure if this has been made clear or what maybe The podcast is stating that W&L wrote the MUSIC and Prince wrote the LYRICS?? Could that be the case and the credits will reflect that?? | |
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jungleshot1 said: donnyenglish said: The podcast went out of their way to credit that song to WL. Putting aside whether the podcast misrepresented that Prince had nothing to do with writing the song, that effort to continue to highlight their contribution rather than to highlight Prince’s genius is the problem with this series. There is an agenda and they are all in on it because many of you eat it up. Let’s pray Ezra does not make the same mistake in the netflix documentary. [Edited 9/17/20 5:42am] [Edited 9/17/20 5:47am] I’m not sure if this has been made clear or what maybe The podcast is stating that W&L wrote the MUSIC and Prince wrote the LYRICS?? Could that be the case and the credits will reflect that?? I think it is safe to say that the wording was specific yet vague enough to prey upon the confirmation biases of the interpreter. | |
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Y’all called Sheila E a tranny and liar when she said she made Prince a lemon cake, but it is somehow misogyny when people dispute WL revising history and disrespecting his work just because they are jealous that his best album and best tour did not involve them? Funny. [Edited 9/19/20 5:39am] | |
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controversy99 said: PurpleSullivan said: ON ANOTHER NOTE, hearing this clip of Large Room now, I have NO IDEA how I'm gonna get past it when I get to it next week. All I'm gonna want to do is put it on repeat. Yes, it was fantastic. And I’m gonna be rockin it. But I’m pretty the songs that I’ll have on repeat are the ones I’ve never heard before. That’s fair. And normally, I agree, try not to get too hung up on the “bootleg classicz,” but... we’ve had it in such S****Y quality for SO long and I love it SO much lol. | |
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donnyenglish said: Y’all called Sheila E a tranny and liar when she said she made Prince a lemon cake, but it is somehow misogyny when people dispute WL revising history and disrespecting his work just because they are jealous that his best album and best tour did not involve them? Funny. [Edited 9/19/20 5:39am] Or... OR... maybe they’re both misogynistic responses | |
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PurpleSullivan said: donnyenglish said: Y’all called Sheila E a tranny and liar when she said she made Prince a lemon cake, but it is somehow misogyny when people dispute WL revising history and disrespecting his work just because they are jealous that his best album and best tour did not involve them? Funny. [Edited 9/19/20 5:39am] Or... OR... maybe they’re both misogynistic responses Yes, they are. | |
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- Read that again: Fully agree. "...as we know in Prince's world, or any Prince fan should know..." -
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donnyenglish said: Y’all called Sheila E a tranny and liar when she said she made Prince a lemon cake, but it is somehow misogyny when people dispute WL revising history and disrespecting his work just because they are jealous that his best album and best tour did not involve them? Funny. [Edited 9/19/20 5:39am] | |
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icecreamcastle777 said: ForceofNature said: What lies have specifically been told by her? I haven't heard any that we the fans can confirm are lies lol I think you made it clear that you believe everything these people say... That's all fine and dandy, but Other people isn't so easily persuaded or gullible, and they have their own point of view. Prince is dead and isn't hear to call anybody out anymore. People can say whatever they want, if you didn't remember. [Edited 9/19/20 3:44am] Being a skeptic for no logical reason is just annoying, doesn't have anything to do with anything reasonable at all. | |
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