LoveGalore said:

Ymaginatif said:

The Revolution certainly gets a lot of attention in these podcasts ...

Actually, the podcasts are about them, and you get the feeling that the Sign O The Times live band was merely a disturbance - an accident that happened to them.

I miss the days when their tendency to self-aggrandaziment was nipped in the bud by the threat of lawsuits ...

Oh god. Cry harder. There's a bunch of ya'll hat don't every want to hear anything good about W&L. We get it. You and all the Prince so-called fans who hate every woman who contributed to Prince's life and work need to sit down and cry it all out, and stop boring the shit out of the rest of us.

muleFunk said:

This whole thing is agenda driven.

Now EVERY damn song Prince wrote was a collaboration between Lisa and Wendy.

It's really sickening.

Cry harder!

VaultCurator said:

LoveGalore said:

It's a song W&L wrote. I'm just glad it's been made Crystal clear.

Hear that sound? It is the sound of nuance of music creation going over some people's heads lol. Not that any of us were in the studio, but the implication was never that they presented P with every lyric, melodic idea, and arrangement of the song. But typically in music speak, "a song _ wrote" can mean bringing in the main melody and chord progression, or any variation thereof.

Writing credits, as we know in Prince world, or any Prince fan should know, is not the whole story. Prince took ideas started by other people and brought to him to work on. Prince gave full songs and idead to other people, and didn't feature on the credits. Many variations of such things occured during his career and not infrequently either


If three people who were on the song are telling you that two people who were on the song had a hand in at least the creation of the song's key definiting characterists, you listen to them as opposed to thinking it is a conspiracy for attention because the music creation process doesn't align with one's mental image they want to be true.

Now if this nuance of music creation goes over some people's heads is no fault of the musicians interviewed on this podcast. So let's accept that they had a hand in the song and let's move on to actual important things lol

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ForceofNature said:

LoveGalore said:

I'm just being very specific. That is indeed what's been said. [Edited 9/17/20 22:30pm]

Wendy and Lisa said they wrote every single bit of the song and all Prince did was sing on it and make a couple of suggestions? I never got anything from Eric's words or W&L's words on this podcast that gave me the impression that they did anything but present Prince with the key defining characteriscs of the song that Prince did his Prince thing with to make this amazing tune - just like he did with quitea few of their ideas in the time they were in the band

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jesus christ, you lot

ForceofNature said:

i think pigs will fly, hell will freeze over, AND world peace will be achieved before the Wendy & Lisa hateboner goes soft

LoveGalore said:

ForceofNature said:

Wendy and Lisa said they wrote every single bit of the song and all Prince did was sing on it and make a couple of suggestions? I never got anything from Eric's words or W&L's words on this podcast that gave me the impression that they did anything but present Prince with the key defining characteriscs of the song that Prince did his Prince thing with to make this amazing tune - just like he did with quitea few of their ideas in the time they were in the band

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"Written by Wendy and Lisa" comes straight from the podcast. Not written with them. Andrea is a quite capable writer so I don't think she simply neglected to mention the "nuance" that Prince wrote the song too.

I am too lazy to type everything I did above out again so I will just refer back to that previous self-penned novella. As a musician myself, I knew exactly what they meant when they said those words verbatim and it wasn't "Wendy and Lisa wrote all of it and Prince just sang it". And I bet any competent musician who has operated in a band situation, or any co-writing situation will interpret it in the same, correct way

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AvocadosMax said:

I don’t ‘hate’ W&L I just think it’s ridiculous to claim it was ‘written by Wendy & Lisa’ and not clarify exactly Why would Prince bring it back in 2009 if it was purely a W&L song? He wouldn’t do that

They never said it was purely a W&L song though, in this case it was the obvious instance of W&L bringing in the key cornerstone parts that are this song to the mix and Prince did Prince things too it.

Kind of like when Robert Plant quotes songs like he does sometimes in interviews as "Oh that is a Jimmy song" (in fact I was Youtubing random Plant interviews and he said those exact words). Not that he didn't contribute to songs Jimmy Page brought to the table to make it the Zeppelin song we all know and love, but rather the basic structure and melodic ideas that were the key definiting traits of it, were from Jimmy's mind to start.

So Prince brought it back in 2009 because he had something to do with the song obviously. I never got the impression that they were saying he wasn't, just the key elements of what turned into the song were thought of by W&L.

Maybe being a musician myself and being a part of co-writes has something to do with my pereceptions, but to me I always thought the meaning of the words were clear as day that this was the case. Musicians quote songs as being "__s" song, when that person/set of people bring the song idea to the table to be worked on and/or finished

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ForceofNature said:

LoveGalore said:

ForceofNature said:

I am too lazy to type everything I did above out again so I will just refer back to that previous self-penned novella. As a musician myself, I knew exactly what they meant when they said those words verbatim and it wasn't "Wendy and Lisa wrote all of it and Prince just sang it". And I bet any competent musician who has operated in a band situation, or any co-writing situation will interpret it in the same, correct way

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Trust me, you keep trying to grasp at all these straws and imply I don't understand something. This isn't a podcast for only musicians. Nor is the line spoken by a musician. Just getting it down on paper that Wendy and Lisa wrote Large Room. Why is that so triggering for you, idgi. This should make you elated. Anyone know how to look up ASCAP/songwriter publishings? Curious if Prince ever submitted it there and then we could see what he thought the credits were. If not then I wonder if outtakes go through the same process? Can see what the estate lists.

There is no straw grasping, just rather amusement at the mountains that are being made out of songwriting molehills lol

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ON ANOTHER NOTE, hearing this clip of Large Room now, I have NO IDEA how I'm gonna get past it when I get to it next week. All I'm gonna want to do is put it on repeat.

LoveGalore said:

VaultCurator said:

LoveGalore said:

So, Prince released a live track online. Yes that means it is released. Same with Rebirth of the Flesh.

Hi LoveGalore. Yes, I agree with you. I'm glad it's cleared up now. Just to clarify, when I said IALRWNL wasn't released what I meant was it wasn't made available in a form where fans could download it and keep to forever. It was only ever meant to be streamed for a limited time. Had Prince made the download available it would have been cool if he'd credited Wendy and Lisa as composers in the meta data. Since it was only meant to be played on a webpage I don't really blame him for the confusion. I don't think he was trying to mislead anyone here. We just naturally assumed he wrote it. At least I did. Still, we know now.

Like I said earlier hopefully that IALRWNO Jam that was mentioned as yars ago here could provide more insight in the creation of the music.
For all we know Wendy and Lisa were already jamming on that melody when Prince took over and they started jamming on it or something.

JorisE73 said:

VaultCurator said:

LoveGalore said: Hi LoveGalore. Yes, I agree with you. I'm glad it's cleared up now. Just to clarify, when I said IALRWNL wasn't released what I meant was it wasn't made available in a form where fans could download it and keep to forever. It was only ever meant to be streamed for a limited time. Had Prince made the download available it would have been cool if he'd credited Wendy and Lisa as composers in the meta data. Since it was only meant to be played on a webpage I don't really blame him for the confusion. I don't think he was trying to mislead anyone here. We just naturally assumed he wrote it. At least I did. Still, we know now.

Like I said earlier hopefully that IALRWNO Jam that was mentioned as yars ago here could provide more insight in the creation of the music.
For all we know Wendy and Lisa were already jamming on that melody when Prince took over and they started jamming on it or something.

That sounds fantastic. I'd love to hear it. Hopefully it'll leak one day soon.

ForceofNature said:

lustmealways said:

Groundhog Day featuring Bill Murray is a classic and gets better with repeated viewings, unlike these threads.

True lol, my main takeaway is that a certain few Prince fans are unable to see beyond their need to know more than the people who were actually there for the making of these songs and instead rely on one's own assumptions of what these people, including Prince, "would have" done.

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VaultCurator said:

LoveGalore said:

So, Prince released a live track online. Yes that means it is released. Same with Rebirth of the Flesh.

Hi LoveGalore. Yes, I agree with you. I'm glad it's cleared up now. Just to clarify, when I said IALRWNL wasn't released what I meant was it wasn't made available in a form where fans could download it and keep to forever. It was only ever meant to be streamed for a limited time. Had Prince made the download available it would have been cool if he'd credited Wendy and Lisa as composers in the meta data. Since it was only meant to be played on a webpage I don't really blame him for the confusion. I don't think he was trying to mislead anyone here. We just naturally assumed he wrote it. At least I did. Still, we know now.

But we don't know for a fact do we!

Just because the podcast host and Eric said it was theirs, we don't know if they wrote both the music and lyrics. I'm not saying Eric is lying, he could be mistaken or just made a casual comment.

It would be likely they/the Rev composed the music and P wrote the lyrics.

I don't think the podcast should toss off quotes like that without sources/facts and clarity.

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Before people say I'm hating on W&L, I'm not but we need the facts. If it's theirs 100% fine, whatever but we shouldn't assume this quote is true.

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There is no argument W&L were heavily involved in the 3 albums prior to SOTT but to some it sounds like the podcast is making out it was also the case with SOTT. The '11 of the 16 tracks were recorded while P and the Rev were together' quote in episode 1 was very misleading IMO.

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For the record; I prefer their version of Strange Relationship to the album version

lustmealways said:

something i don't think has been pointed out, but something i found very interesting...

at the bit where they're playing purple rain, which i'm assuming is the one they were talking about from the final revolution show, the audio quality is like... really bad. what does this imply? this podcast was done with the cooperation of the estate, so you'd think they'd be able to source proper recordings of the material they want to talk about. do they not have these shows? surely they were recorded. or, if this is the best the estate could offer, is this the standard that most of these shows were recorded at? sounds like an ok audience recording, nothing better.

food for thought.

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Best thought of this topic! This is also what worries me the most.

I'd really like to know if there's soundboard recordings of all his shows and especially the aftershows.

If this is not the case, the bootlegers will have been those who allowed to preserve his work!

we don't know where they are with digitizing the soundboards. They wanted to get a short snippet of the Purple Rain from the Yokohama show, but they may not have been able to find it yet or it is scheduled for later, when they are doing the Parade superdeluxe. They opted for the easy shortcut of getting the best sounding bootleg they could find and put it in.

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I'd love for a status update from the estate about the whole digitisation and catalogueing of the vault.

dodger said:

But we don't know for a fact do we!

Just because the podcast host and Eric said it was theirs, we don't know if they wrote both the music and lyrics. I'm not saying Eric is lying, he could be mistaken or just made a casual comment.

It would be likely they/the Rev composed the music and P wrote the lyrics.

I don't think the podcast should toss off quotes like that without sources/facts and clarity.

Hi Dodger.

Good points. I've just contacted Andrea Swensson on Twitter asking her for some clarification. Hopefully she'll be able to shed a bit of light on the subject.

https://twitter.com/Vault...57698?s=20

https://twitter.com/VaultCurator/status/1306904115654557698?s=20

mediumdry said:

we don't know where they are with digitizing the soundboards. They wanted to get a short snippet of the Purple Rain from the Yokohama show, but they may not have been able to find it yet or it is scheduled for later, when they are doing the Parade superdeluxe. They opted for the easy shortcut of getting the best sounding bootleg they could find and put it in.

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I'd love for a status update from the estate about the whole digitisation and catalogueing of the vault.

I wouldn't be surprised if a snippet of a sounboard of it would only detract from the podcast.
We'd all be discussing that and blowing our minds for the hopes of a pontential release of it instead of the contents of the podcast about SOTT.

ForceofNature said:

BartVanHemelen said:

VaultCurator said:

OK. That was the best episode so far. It blew last weeks episode out of the water. A fantastic selection of music. I hope they don't skim over the Camille sessions next week. I'd love to hear more from Susan Roger's about the recording of those songs.

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Her name is SUSAN ROGERS.

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How the fuck do you lot fail to properly spell her name?

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Bart, next tiem, ask the for a multiple choice question, and leave out the right one :

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Susan Rodgers

Suzan Rogers

Buck Rogers

Rogers Nelsan.

Zuzan Rogers

Susan Rogerz

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